It should be mentioned for those who use uncoupling picks that they do not work well if you combine the 802 with the HO couplers: you will have problems separating them with your pick. I am converting to all 802's (and clones) because I can easily uncouple with a pick anywhere I want.
Roger Nulton Tacoma Washington ----- Original Message ----- From: Trains To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} Brass S Kadee couplers Hi Bill, appreciate your input and info. Ideas are necessary to create action, action creates a movement, that takes on form and could result in an actual product taking shape, How and who and when...that's a question that can be answered. The question about oversized 802 is kind of moot according to Kadee's Sam Clarke, who has measured, calculated and determined that this coupler (802) is NOT OVERSIZED for S- Scale, and follows actual dimensions of the pulling face/knuckle of a real type E coupler, that is 12" + /- in real life and calculates to .1875" and would amount to 12" +/- in S-Scale. In real life variations existin production/manufacturer of a real coupler...the range Mr. Clarke states is usually around 12" down to, in some instances 11". The 802 (808) are not oversized according to Kadee's Sam Clarke. He further stated to me that the #5 HO coupler IS 20% oversized for HO Scale and just about perfect for Sn3 and about 10% to small for S-Scale proportions. In addition we talked in some length about adapting HO couplers that are in the 20% oversize category and have the customary #5 style shank and spring plate, everyone should look at the adaptability of the #40 series couplers, as this series offers a number of different coupler shank lengths, coupler head orientations, overset, centered and underset coupler heads in relation to the shank. The 40 series is METAL and therefore more robust, as would be needed in S, and this series is identical to the familiar #5 coupler, except for the flexibility in being able to select any variety of choices in length and offsets. The draft gear box and spring plate are iddentical to the #5 and offer "delayed uncoupling". Are all of you paying attention??? This takes care of the desired "scale" distance between cars of 3'-0"...and you do not have to shim/add washers to raise car if you can select an offset head/shank length that works! Additionally the existing Kadee #118 - HO shelf/non-overide coupler may be OK to use as it does mate with #5's ....for now anyway till something else comes along??? Can look al this up on Kadee's site: http://www.kadee.com Or contact me Thanks, S Gaugingly yours, Peter Loeb If yo care to look http://www.trains-4-u.com Not Pennsy and not just scale...maybe fun? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/S-Scale/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
