This is in addition to the problem of road truck versus switcher truck, which 
is the core of the discussion.  Also, one of the Baldwin models has a truck 
center distance very close to the EMD distance, but swapping frames under the 
shell will not be that easy by any means.  DJE
----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Engle 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: {S-Scale List} AAR Sideframes (was AM Repower Question


  
Someone needs to check whether or not Baldwin and Fairbanks-Morse used a truck 
that was a foot longer wheelbase than the corresponding EMD/Alco truck. The 
reason is that Westinghouse traction motors were used instead of GE. I think 
this applies only to the B road truck but not the A switcher truck, but I could 
be incorrect. DJE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: JGG KahnSr 
To: [email protected] 
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: {S-Scale List} AAR Sideframes (was AM Repower Question

Of course (dope slap!): the AM S-12 uses type B road trucks, which are longer 
wheelbase than switcher trucks.
No easy solution...

Jace Kahn

General Manager 
Ceres & Canisteo RR Co./Champlain County Traction Co.

> You will need entire truck assemblies, as the AM trucks have a longer 
> wheelbase. Scale sideframes only won't fix it.
> 
> Like I said: I'm beginning to think I'll live with the "modify and make do" 
> approach. Either that, or I'll continue to do without.
> 
> Andre Ming

> The other option that occurs to me is the old Locomotive Workshop 
> white-metal AAR sideframes, as in the set of switcher
> trucks Tom Lennon currently has listed on ebay. A pair also came with the 
> second Miller Alco with Beveridge/Cascade
> drive I bought; I hoped to replace them with Railmaster Blunt sideframes, 
> but on enquiry was told the molds for the
> truck sideframes also have castings for other parts of the kit and are not 
> available separately (which would also apply
> to their AAR sideframes). I DID get a set of the Blunt sideframes from Dick 
> Karnes who had them left over from another
> project, so I have been trying to fit those to the Cascade drive (some very 
> minor dimensional problem that I have yet
> to figure out).
> Jace Kahn

> > > Has anyone tried converting the A-M S-12 to the prototypically correct
> > > AAR Type A switcher trucks instead?
> >
> > I believe it has been done, but you need an SHS product to get the trucks
> > off of. Right now, you can't buy just the trucks from SHS. Why, you ask?
> > Well, it's because Smokey Valley Jim BOUGHT THEM ALL. Yeah... the cad.
> > Didn't he know that some of us MIGHT think about using some of them for a
> > few years and PERHAPS could even get around to actually putting it on the
> > Definite Maybe list???
> > Seriously: I understand. I have thought about making some simple
> > modifications to lessen the visual impact of the current trucks.
> > Andre Ming

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