First I would like to thank everyone for all the support and view points 
on this topic.  Although new to the scale, I see that there is a 
definite divide amongst the pre-transition era modelers and the more 
modern modelers.  As I may or may not have mentioned before, I am going 
to be modeling around 1979 to 1983 ish.  I know it's going to be a 
battle to model that time frame, but that's going to be part of the 
fun.  As far as the Cannon and Co. question goes, I guess the answer I 
was really looking for was "yes".  There does seem to be a market in S 
scale for a product line of highly detailed diesel detail parts (hood 
doors, cabs, hood ends, etc....).  I don't have the connections or the 
financial capacity right now to start such an en devour.  However, I 
would be willing to help give anyone that would be willing to start 
something like that a hand in obtaining any and all dimensions needed.

I personally hope that DesPlaines doesn't get let down by the modelers 
in this scale, by not purchasing one of the SD45's.  Like was stated 
earlier, if it sells well then more is sure to come.  A GP38-2 perhaps, 
or maybe a SW1500.  Just a couple of quick suggestions.

I hope I haven't angered the S Scale gods, and if I have then so be it.  
I have a very strong opinion on most every topic about this hobby.  The 
biggest being the absolute distane I have for all the "cookie cutter" 
models being produced in HO.  They have taken a lot of the modeler out 
of the hobby of model railroading with all that ready to run stuff.  I 
do think it has it's place, but not every stinking thing that comes 
out.........anyway I digress.  I'm not going to give up on transitioning 
to S Scale, I am however, going to make the transition very slowly.  I 
do have  a few HO projects that I need to get done, but I have already 
started to work on my S Scale Green Bay and Western boxcar.  So far so 
good.  I will post a few pictures.  I'm actually thinking about asking 
Don Heimburger if I would write an article for S gaugian magazine about it.

And for everyone, any time any of you have a question about how or why 
things might be done a certain way on the railroad, please feel free to 
ask.  I'm always willing to share my ongoing knowledge of the industry 
with guys who are, as my little group likes to say, on the outside 
looking in.

Now lets get this scale rolling!!!  Next stop....SIGNIFICANCE!

Michael Ostertag
Green Bay, WI
[email protected]

On 12/3/2011 6:18 PM, Theodore Weiler wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Most of us model in 'S' due to it's size.  AS we age, we can no longer 
> see the numbers on an HO car let alone one in 'N'.  Also it only takes 
> up 1/3 more space than HO.  Assuming the announced SD45 sells well, 
> more modern equipment will appear.
>
> If you leave, we will be without your expertise on modern 
> locomotives.  I believe Andre Ming is the our in-house engineer at 
> present.  The others have retired.
>
> This group is fractured at times, but I just delete the posts and wait 
> for the ones that truly help.
>
> Ted Weiler
> Trinity Express S Scalers
> DFW area, TX
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Michael <[email protected]>
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Sent:* Fri, December 2, 2011 9:34:25 PM
> *Subject:* {S-Scale List} Wow where do I begin! LONG!
>
> I never thought that asking a simple question would spark such an 
> array of answers. The majority of which had nothing to do with what I 
> asked. Now just because I'm new to S Scale, doesn't mean I'm new to 
> the way this hobby works. Maybe I should have introduced myself first, 
> before asking such an outlandishly foolish question.
>
> My name is Michael Ostertag and I am a locomotive engineer for the 
> Canadian National in Green Bay, WI. I have been working for the 
> railroad since 1992, first as a brakeman for the Green Bay and 
> Western. Then in 1993, with the Wisconsin Central as a Conductor. In 
> 1996 I took an engineers promotion. In 2001 the CN purchased the WC 
> and the rest is history as they say. I have run almost every 
> conceivable type of locomotive that has had a pulse at the time. 
> SDL39's? All nine remaining ones until they were retired (587 being my 
> favorite) everything from FP7's to SD70ACE's! SD9043's, been there 
> they suck!
>
> My point is that I know my way around a locomotive. Not only in real 
> life, but in the modeling world as well. I have been in the hobby for 
> over 30 years. I am far from an expert, but I am well into the 
> advanced category. So it really is disheartening to hear some of the 
> answers that I have read. Between reading the answers to my question 
> and reading the entire thread from BTS's "modern go away" thing, it's 
> no wonder this scale has been stagnant. You guys can't get out of your 
> own way! S Scale is the PERFECT SIZE! It could be so much more than 
> what it is now. However, apparently, SHS has a noose round the neck of 
> every manufacturer. Really! I am really beginning to think that you 
> guys don't want the scale to advance. This is ridiculous!
>
> Ok so let me get this straight also. If you don't model narrow gauge, 
> or steam or something prior to the transition era, S Scale is not for 
> you! Right! Is that what I'm hearing! That is absolute and udder BS! 
> You want to know the truth! Take a closer look at a train the next 
> time you see one. Look at it really close! Those engine's aren't all 
> the same. The are different, in a lot of way's. Just because they 
> don't have external drivers and a boiler doesn't mean they aren't alive!
>
> The same holds true in this scale! Des Plaines is trying to get the 
> scale to advance. You have to remember something folks, the future of 
> any scale in this hobby is the kids that aren't yet into the hobby. 
> Anyone here tell me right now why a kid would want to get into S 
> Scale? Anyone? Anyone? That's what I thought. Unless the more modern 
> things that kids today are seeing, are available to them, they aren't 
> going to be interested in the scale at all. That's why HO is kicking 
> everyone's ass! Where is the scale going to go once all the guys and 
> gals that are 60+ pass away? It will die! Does anyone here want that 
> to happen?
>
> All I wanted to know is if there was an interest in a product like 
> that. Apparently it is starting to look like I've made a bad decision 
> with wanting to switch to S Scale. The way I see it, right now this 
> was a bad, bad decision! Bad attitudes from manufacturers and from 
> others in the scale? Wow! No wonder it's going nowhere. It's a shame 
> too, I thought it was a lot tighter nit community than this. Instead 
> all I'm hearing is a bunch of whining and finger pointing. Modern 
> models are the future of this hobby guys! If it is going to advance, 
> that is the way it has to go!
>
> Michael Ostertag
>
> 


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