Matt, after 1 1/2 hours with one KD 802, I swear, never again.  
I have and will use henceforward, the ProtoMax.
Thanks again for your post relating your experience with them.
Wow, am I frustrated!

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On Sep 13, 2012, at 8:43 PM, Matt Ward <[email protected]> wrote:

> I came across the following web page about two years ago concerning Proto-Max 
> Couplers
> 
> http://www.pmrr.org/Articles/RollingStock/Articles__S-scale_Couplers_LVL2_Proto_Max_Couplers.htm
> 
>   I have been installing these on my cars since then .....there is some play 
> between couplers ....but the spring mechanism is completely different from 
> the 802 ....so other then the slack between couplers there is no slack action 
> from the spring. Twenty pairs retail at $24.95 a pack ...most of the time I 
> can average $20 at shows ...that comes out to be only $1.00 a car. The only 
> hidden cost I have found is I end up buying Kadee screws (item #402) for 
> mounting this comes out to 41cents more per car ...so total cost is about 
> $1.50 a car. 
>   The only drawback is that the mounting holes are slightly to narrow for the 
> standard S Helper per-drilled mounting holes ...but I bore out the holes on 
> the draft box slightly with a file, and they fit fine.
> If anyone is coming to the NOSS yearly scale meet here in Medina Ohio 
> September 29th ...I have volunteered to do a short clinic on my mounting 
> technique.
>   So far with a little over a year of running these I have had no problems 
> ...although my time running trains in the last year has been limited. I have 
> been using these in combination with my cars that already have 802's & S 
> Helper couplers. At one point I had several cars with Proto Max couplers 
> mixed in on a 90 car S helper Reefer train on the CVSGA Scale layout while it 
> was set up at the NMRA Division 4 train show in Berea Ohio..again I 
> experienced no problems.  
> 
> Matt Ward
> North Canton Ohio
> 
> 
> 
>  
> "Too often we honor swagger and bluster and the wielders of force; too often 
> we excuse those who are willing to build their own lives on the shattered 
> dreams of others."- Robert F. Kennedy APRIL 05, 1968
> 

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