> > However my understanding is Lionel has altered the gearing on the second
run U33's and now they won't play nice with the first run.  Thanks Lionel -
you just killed any repurchase from my POV.

 

Poor Lionel.  The first run was too fast and so S scale guys complained.
Lionel reduced the top speed and the S scale guys are again complaining.
They want it to go faster now.  Poor Lionel, what can they ever do right?

 

> > Boy, it seems we come up with more reasons for Lionel to abandon the
scale market than to continue...

 

Human nature is strange, to say the least.  But the stated problem has an
easy solution.  No need to complain about anything.

 

>> I can only assume any changes MTH makes to the former SHS drive
mechanisms will be greeted with the same enthusiasm.

>> Rich G(ajnak)

 

I cannot wait to hear the complaints when the MTH catalog comes out.  A
field day for the pouters.  Maybe I will go on vacation for a couple of
weeks.  Get away from it all.

 

>> What does concern me is whether different locomotives will MU or double
head.

 

Speed matching is a proven concept with Tsunami and other modern NMRA/DCC
decoders.  I am not sure why there is concern.  Many HO guys here in the San
Francisco area do speed matching at numerous op sessions and club runs on a
regular basis without difficulty.

 

>> I have a first run U33c, now with the pilots fixed to the frame, scale
wheels, Kadee couplers (actually I think they are Walthers) and a Tsunami
decoder. It's a bit faster than I would have preferred

 

Excessive speed can easily be reduced by setting a CV for maximum speed.
Easy to do.  No need to live with something considered to be too fast.  

 

>> Now I know some of my DCC friends are already thinking all you have to do
is diddle endlessly with speed tables and CV's to get it right. Been there,
done that.

 

Diddling with speed tables and CV's is one way to get there.  No doubt that
it is the hard way to reach the goal.  

 

An easier way is by using JMRI/Decoder Pro and let your PC/laptop do the
diddling.  It is somewhat automatic after you set the slow point and the
fast point and choose a speed curve.  The computer does all the hard work of
matching one loco to another.  Many experienced speed-matching folks report
speed matching of four locos in about an hour.  That would cover an A-B-B-A,
at least.  Of course, these results are AFTER the learning curve is behind
them and it just becomes a procedure to be followed without too much
experimentation.

 

Another approach, discovered by John Gibson, is to use some new whiz-bang
software product which does it all automatically.  A loop of track is set up
with sensors at multiple points along the way.  The "master" loco is run
around at various speed steps and the time/speed/location data is collected
and stored.  Then the "slave" loco is run around the same loop of track and
the computer matches it to the "master" just run earlier.  Apparently it
works well and is almost totally automatic in operation.  No more diddling
with CVs at all.  Of course, you need a loop of track, a computer, numerous
sensors, software and a learning curve to master.  But then it becomes a
slam dunk.  Or so it is reported.  John Gibson has the details for those
interested.

 

>> It works in some cases where the differences aren't great in the first
place but it is not a cure-all. There is only so much you can do when
designs and gear rations vary too much.

 

Just about every HO guy in Santa Clara County would disagree with that
conclusion.  Speed matching is done all the time in HO with different brands
of locos, different motors, different gear ratios and so forth.  It works
when done properly.  In the case of Lionel's U33, the gear ratios between
the first and second production runs were changed from 12:1 to 15:1 which is
about a 25% reduction in top speed.  With the same motor and drive train,
this is not a huge difference and can easily be handled with speed matching.
If MUing two U33 locos makes my heart beat faster, I would certainly not let
a bit of speed matching stand between me and that joy.  This is really not a
problem with a Tsunami in the loco.  

 

The ultimate test for speed matching is to run both DCC decoder-equipped
locos forward at medium speed with medium momentum.  Hit the reverse button.
Both locos should slowly decrease speed, stop, reverse, slowly start up and
reach medium speed going backwards - all the while traveling at about the
same speed as each other.  This is done routinely by several folks around
here and they do not consider it unusual at all.

 

Trying to educate, not criticize.  Hope this is taken in the spirit
intended.

 

Cheers..Ed Loizeaux

 

 

 

 

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