On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:44 AM Marc Culler <[email protected]> wrote: > > The code that is rejecting openblas 0.3.29 appears to be in > build/pkgs/openblas/spkgconfigure.m4. > > That file includes tests for the existence of the symbol dgeqrf_ for the > purpose of deciding whether a version of openblas also provides lapack. > According to github blame, that seems to have been Dima's idea 5 or 6 years > ago. Given that LAPACK appears so many times when searching for dgeqfr in > the output of nm, I would guess that version 0.3.29 does in fact provide > lapack. But the tests in that m4 file need to be revised.
yes, right, that's exactly what I'm doing now. However, the test is very tricky and complicated, as a standard way to check that a Fortran function is available is to call Fortran (something what autoconf macro AC_FC_FUNC would do) Instead, the test is done with C++, is much more complicated, and fails on macOS arm64 for reasons not yet known to me. I'm trying to see if at least AC_FC_FUNC can do the job, in the presence of gfortran... Dima > > - Marc > > On Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:45:36 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >> >> indeed, I get >> >> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ nm >> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib | grep dgeqrfp >> >> 0000000000d84dbc T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp >> >> 0000000000d84eec T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp_work >> >> 00000000008f4120 T _dgeqrfp_ >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 11:11:21 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >>> >>> The symbol which is reported as missing from openblas 0.3.29 (dgeqrf_) is >>> defined in openblas 0.3.28 (which is the version built by the Sage openblas >>> spkg). >>> % nm local/lib/libopenblas.dylib | grep dgeqrf >>> 00000000007fcb64 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrf >>> 00000000007fcca0 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrf_work >>> 00000000007fce58 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp >>> 00000000007fcf94 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp_work >>> 0000000000364c60 T _dgeqrf_ >>> 00000000003651a0 T _dgeqrfp_ >>> >>> If you run that nm command on the Homebrew version of libopenblas.dylib it >>> will probably not show that symbol. >>> >>> The configure script author seemed to think that dgeqrf_ is a good symbol >>> to check for when deciding whether an openblas library is acceptable. But >>> that symbol was apparently removed from 0.3.29. So maybe that was just a >>> bad choice and the script should be checking for something else instead. >>> >>> - Marc >>> >>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ otool -TV >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib: >>>> >>>> Table of contents (0 entries) >>>> >>>> module name symbol name >>>> >>>> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ otool -TV >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a | grep dgeqrf >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(dgeqrf.o): >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(dgeqrfp.o): >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrf.o): >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrf_work.o): >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrfp.o): >>>> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrfp_work.o): >>>> >>>> >>>> and yes, I'm trying with https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/39571 >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 8:59:05 PM UTC+1 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 1:01 PM [email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > my homebrew install of openblas (0.3.29) is not accepted, as can be >>>>> > seen in the config.log file. >>>>> >>>>> can you find anything like "dgeqrf" in the output of >>>>> >>>>> otool -TV /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib >>>>> >>>>> not 100% sure about the exact name of the dylib , but you get the idea, >>>>> right? >>>>> The issue comes from >>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sagetrac-mirror/commit/71ac6a5e18ad2e08383a122ef305df593a34aa3a >>>>> which is a very hacky way to avoid the use of gfortran. We can re-work >>>>> it if needed. >>>>> >>>>> Dima >>>>> > >>>>> > ## --------------------------------------------------------- ## >>>>> > ## Checking whether SageMath should install SPKG openblas... ## >>>>> > ## --------------------------------------------------------- ## >>>>> > configure:18884: checking whether any of gfortran is installed as or >>>>> > will be installed as SPKG >>>>> > configure:18894: result: no >>>>> > configure:18908: checking for openblas >= 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99 >>>>> > configure:18915: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas >= >>>>> > 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99" >>>>> > configure:18918: $? = 0 >>>>> > configure:18932: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas >= >>>>> > 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99" >>>>> > configure:18935: $? = 0 >>>>> > configure:19931: result: yes >>>>> > configure:19940: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas" >>>>> > configure:19943: $? = 0 >>>>> > configure:19963: checking for cblas_dgemm >>>>> > configure:19963: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest conftest.cpp >>>>> > -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 -lglpk >>>>> > -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > configure:19963: $? = 0 >>>>> > configure:19963: result: yes >>>>> > configure:20044: checking for dgeqrf >>>>> > configure:20044: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest conftest.cpp >>>>> > -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 -lglpk >>>>> > -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >>>>> > "_dgeqrf", referenced from: >>>>> > _main in conftest-e6c8b5.o >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see >>>>> > invocation) >>>>> > configure:20044: $? = 1 >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >>>>> > | /* Define dgeqrf to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> declares >>>>> > dgeqrf. >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >>>>> > | #define dgeqrf innocuous_dgeqrf >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few prototypes, >>>>> > | which can conflict with char dgeqrf (void); below. */ >>>>> > | >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >>>>> > | #undef dgeqrf >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >>>>> > | extern "C" >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | char dgeqrf (void); >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_dgeqrf || defined __stub___dgeqrf >>>>> > | choke me >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | >>>>> > | int >>>>> > | main (void) >>>>> > | { >>>>> > | return dgeqrf (); >>>>> > | ; >>>>> > | return 0; >>>>> > | } >>>>> > configure:20044: result: no >>>>> > configure:20051: checking for dgeqrf_ >>>>> > configure:20051: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest conftest.cpp >>>>> > -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 -lglpk >>>>> > -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > configure:20051: $? = 0 >>>>> > configure:20051: result: yes >>>>> > configure:20058: checking for DGEQRF >>>>> > configure:20058: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest conftest.cpp >>>>> > -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 -lglpk >>>>> > -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >>>>> > "_DGEQRF", referenced from: >>>>> > _main in conftest-8dfd93.o >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see >>>>> > invocation) >>>>> > configure:20058: $? = 1 >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >>>>> > | /* Define DGEQRF to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> declares >>>>> > DGEQRF. >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >>>>> > | #define DGEQRF innocuous_DGEQRF >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few prototypes, >>>>> > | which can conflict with char DGEQRF (void); below. */ >>>>> > | >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >>>>> > | #undef DGEQRF >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >>>>> > | extern "C" >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | char DGEQRF (void); >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_DGEQRF || defined __stub___DGEQRF >>>>> > | choke me >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | >>>>> > | int >>>>> > | main (void) >>>>> > | { >>>>> > | return DGEQRF (); >>>>> > | ; >>>>> > | return 0; >>>>> > | } >>>>> > configure:20058: result: no >>>>> > configure:20065: checking for DGEQRF_ >>>>> > configure:20065: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest conftest.cpp >>>>> > -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 -lglpk >>>>> > -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >>>>> > "_DGEQRF_", referenced from: >>>>> > _main in conftest-ff1fe7.o >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see >>>>> > invocation) >>>>> > configure:20065: $? = 1 >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >>>>> > | /* Define DGEQRF_ to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> >>>>> > declares DGEQRF_. >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >>>>> > | #define DGEQRF_ innocuous_DGEQRF_ >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few prototypes, >>>>> > | which can conflict with char DGEQRF_ (void); below. */ >>>>> > | >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >>>>> > | #undef DGEQRF_ >>>>> > | >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >>>>> > | extern "C" >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | char DGEQRF_ (void); >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_DGEQRF_ || defined __stub___DGEQRF_ >>>>> > | choke me >>>>> > | #endif >>>>> > | >>>>> > | int >>>>> > | main (void) >>>>> > | { >>>>> > | return DGEQRF_ (); >>>>> > | ; >>>>> > | return 0; >>>>> > | } >>>>> > configure:20065: result: no >>>>> > configure:20157: checking the OpenBLAS version using openblas_get_config >>>>> > configure:20185: gcc -o conftest >>>>> > -I/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/include -fopenmp -g -O2 >>>>> > conftest.c -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas -lbz2 >>>>> > -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >>>>> > clang: error: unsupported option '-fopenmp' >>>>> > clang: error: unsupported option '-fopenmp' >>>>> > configure:20185: $? = 1 >>>>> > configure: program exited with status 1 >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >>>>> > | #include <string.h> >>>>> > | char *openblas_get_config(void); >>>>> > | int >>>>> > | main (void) >>>>> > | { >>>>> > | if (!strncmp(openblas_get_config(), "OpenBLAS 0.3.22", 15)) return 1; >>>>> > | ; >>>>> > | return 0; >>>>> > | } >>>>> > | >>>>> > configure:20191: result: known bad version >>>>> > configure:20261: no suitable system package found for SPKG openblas >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 7:36:27 PM UTC+1 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:03 PM [email protected] >>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I agree that we should use as many homebrew packages as possible, >>>>> >> > but how can we ensure that we follow the upgrades ? >>>>> >> > For instance the versions of openblas (0.3.29), gsl (2.8), numpy >>>>> >> > (2.2.3), scipy (1.15.2) and pari (2.17.1) are newer on homebrew than >>>>> >> > what we accept. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Because the update of pari is stalled due to a bug reported? >>>>> >> A Pari expert should step up and tell whether it's an upstream bug, or >>>>> >> not. >>>>> >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38749 >>>>> >> >>>>> >> openblas (of any version less than 0.3.99) should be accepted, >>>>> >> provided it is recognised by pkg-config >>>>> >> (you'd need to run source .homebrew-build-env for the latter). >>>>> >> Same applies to gsl. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> numpy and scipy are Python packages, you need >>>>> >> >>>>> >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages >>>>> >> >>>>> >> to have them from "outside". >>>>> >> There are no version constraints on them imposed. >>>>> >> I have a meanwhile bitrotten PR to upgrade numpy and scipy, and >>>>> >> despite requesting review from 5 people, only two responded. >>>>> >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38846, back in Oct 2024. >>>>> >> Then reviewers just disappeared there... >>>>> >> Some of these updates are now in separate PRs. Some need to be done. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> See, that's what I mean by "Sage has too many vendored packages". >>>>> >> These packages are bog-standard PyPI packages, we could have followed >>>>> >> the new versions if we didn't have this so beloved by some version >>>>> >> locks. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Dima >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I'm currently facing the following issue: >>>>> >> > ipykernel fails to compile and reports that it is unable to find >>>>> >> > jupyter_core. But configure says: >>>>> >> > jupyter_core: using system package; SPKG will not be installed >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I'm currently trying to compile from scratch with >>>>> >> > --with-system-jupyter_core=no. We'll see if it's better. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:16:24 PM UTC+1 John H Palmieri >>>>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Maybe this is naive, but if you're testing a change from the old >>>>> >> >> situation, where Python 3.13 was not allowed, to now allowing it, I >>>>> >> >> might imagine that you would test it on standard supported >>>>> >> >> platforms, like OS X with Python 3.13 installed via homebrew. We >>>>> >> >> should back out the change until it's implemented correctly. >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:46:41 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik >>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On 24 February 2025 23:52:36 GMT-06:00, John H Palmieri >>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >Sage should work out of the box without >>>>> >> >>> >"--enable-system-site-packages". >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> The box has become so heavy that one needs a forklift to do >>>>> >> >>> anything with it :-) >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > If >>>>> >> >>> >it doesn't, that's a bug in Sage. How about we don't allow Python >>>>> >> >>> >3.13 if >>>>> >> >>> >it's broken? Why wasn't this caught in testing? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> well, Sage with Python 3.13 works on Linux, >>>>> >> >>> and is default on some. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> It appears that there are dozens of macOS/apple toolchain/apple >>>>> >> >>> hardware combos, and each of them has its very own set of bugs, >>>>> >> >>> misfeatures, multiple dodgy Python installs, etc. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> We can't possibly test for all of them. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> And please don't force on Sage developers the need to dig up and >>>>> >> >>> reproduce solutions by Homebrew, which has 10 times more >>>>> >> >>> developers and nontrivial funding, solutions which are already >>>>> >> >>> there. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> What's wrong with using the flag above, if it works? >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> I hope William S. forgives me if I quote his up to date opinion on >>>>> >> >>> Macs: >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> ----- >>>>> >> >>> For me, Macs are reasonable as basically "Chromebooks" that can >>>>> >> >>> also >>>>> >> >>> run Linux VM's pretty well and keep track of photos and video. >>>>> >> >>> Beyond >>>>> >> >>> that it's extremely painful, and I vastly prefer Linux for all >>>>> >> >>> things >>>>> >> >>> dev/server/remote. >>>>> >> >>> ----- >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> My opinion is similar - except that the only use of Mac I have is >>>>> >> >>> to cause myself extreme pain by trying to fix never ending macOS - >>>>> >> >>> specific >>>>> >> >>> issues. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> On macOS, either we embrace Homebrew and use it to get external >>>>> >> >>> dependencies, or we use Conda. Current "build everything from >>>>> >> >>> ground up" has become next to impossible in any reliable way. >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> Dima >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> >On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 7:34:13 PM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik >>>>> >> >>> >wrote: >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 5:44 PM John H Palmieri >>>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >>>>> >> >>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > On OS X 15.3.1 with many homebrew packages installed, >>>>> >> >>> >> > including both >>>>> >> >>> >> Python 3.12 and Python 3.13: >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > - if I use Python 3.13, `pillow` and `cffi` fail to build. (I >>>>> >> >>> >> > used >>>>> >> >>> >> "./configure", and I also tried after applying the patch from >>>>> >> >>> >> #39570) >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> how about using installing pillow and cffi in Homebrew, and >>>>> >> >>> >> doing >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> This should pick them from Homebrew. (If it doesn't it's a Sage >>>>> >> >>> >> bug I >>>>> >> >>> >> suppose) >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> Frankly speaking I am less than excited to try to figure out >>>>> >> >>> >> what goes >>>>> >> >>> >> wrong in sdh_pip_install >>>>> >> >>> >> in this case. Homebrew can do it... >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > - if I use Python 3.12, then `pillow` and `cffi` and indeed >>>>> >> >>> >> > everything >>>>> >> >>> >> builds successfully. (I used "./configure --with-python=`which >>>>> >> >>> >> python3.12`") >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > On Friday, February 21, 2025 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-8 Volker Braun >>>>> >> >>> >> > wrote: >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the >>>>> >> >>> >> >> "develop" git >>>>> >> >>> >> branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is at >>>>> >> >>> >> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 9cd86e9596a (tag: 10.6.beta7, github/develop) Updated >>>>> >> >>> >> >> SageMath version >>>>> >> >>> >> to 10.6.beta7 >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c2766d1f625 gh-39541: Remove dead mailing lists. >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 54951498178 gh-39536: Fix a nonfunctional long time doctest >>>>> >> >>> >> >> tag >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 5289298248a gh-39533: build/pkgs: update eclib to version >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 20250122 >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 7420a272382 gh-39530: Improvement to flint_autogen reader >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cee1e2b52f9 gh-39527: Test on CI that update-meson is >>>>> >> >>> >> >> properly ran >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a007379b910 gh-39523: multi polynomial element/repr >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 850493472d5 gh-39521: rename also set-like species >>>>> >> >>> >> >> bd626efc02f gh-39518: line_graph for multigraphs >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 72c6188116a gh-39513: Show test failures of ci-meson as >>>>> >> >>> >> >> annotations >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 4f4c1203415 gh-39510: add of the function >>>>> >> >>> >> >> rank_support_of_vector >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 2af3de6fa6e gh-39509: Add a doctest for >>>>> >> >>> >> HomsetsCategory._make_named_class_key >>>>> >> >>> >> >> d8b7cdfcecb gh-39508: Fix some typo >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b567299fbbb gh-39506: New algorithm for cuts of a Poset >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 88672d71a29 gh-39505: Improve handling of strings supplied >>>>> >> >>> >> >> as matrix >>>>> >> >>> >> entries >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 935232df552 gh-39504: Implement im_gens in the class >>>>> >> >>> >> >> fraction_field_FpT >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a01815fda00 gh-39499: Improve sage_getfile by looking at >>>>> >> >>> >> >> __init__ >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b7da8f23c43 gh-39498: Apply sort and filter of walk_packages >>>>> >> >>> >> consistently >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 3500f616037 gh-39497: moving random_element to category of >>>>> >> >>> >> >> rings >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e368fa71812 gh-39496: Add deformation cones and checking for >>>>> >> >>> >> >> regularity >>>>> >> >>> >> for Point Configurations and normal fans of Polyhedra >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8978ff83f52 gh-39495: Add documentation of Gabidulin codes >>>>> >> >>> >> >> in the >>>>> >> >>> >> reference manual >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 98eec5d86fe gh-39494: Fix more doctests in meson_editable >>>>> >> >>> >> >> install >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cfbaaf16be2 gh-39491: fixing doctests failures in >>>>> >> >>> >> >> misc/latex*.py >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a2737325c19 gh-39489: fix several oeis related doctests >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8a44c7365b7 gh-39488: Fix issue on matrix construction over >>>>> >> >>> >> >> integer mod >>>>> >> >>> >> ring for large coefficients >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 78a3eede92c gh-39487: Improvement of the rendering of the >>>>> >> >>> >> >> documentation >>>>> >> >>> >> in polynomial sequence >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 34b7f9050fb gh-39486: Finish changing Rational's round >>>>> >> >>> >> >> method default >>>>> >> >>> >> rounding to even >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 04afcf71552 gh-39485: Implement conversion from laurent >>>>> >> >>> >> >> series to >>>>> >> >>> >> rational function field >>>>> >> >>> >> >> ae158663847 gh-39482: fix one typo >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 83f7d065286 gh-39481: Fixed issue in list_plot where it >>>>> >> >>> >> >> assumed data >>>>> >> >>> >> had been enumerated when it might not have been >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8e204dde3b3 gh-39479: Fixed crash when exp(0) of p-adic >>>>> >> >>> >> >> numbers is >>>>> >> >>> >> called >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 11ee7ca4e19 gh-39477: typing and details in tableaux files >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c61e562de76 gh-39476: typing annotation for gens method in >>>>> >> >>> >> >> rings and >>>>> >> >>> >> groups (pyx files) >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 85ce297ff2c gh-39474: convert gens method in modular to >>>>> >> >>> >> >> return tuple >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c732c6552e4 gh-39473: add tuple typing to gens methods in >>>>> >> >>> >> >> algebras >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 556d5f0eb80 gh-39466: remove some deprecations in groups >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c22e48480c3 gh-39456: Trivial simplifications for arccos >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 68744be391e gh-39454: remove deprecated stuff in >>>>> >> >>> >> >> permutation.py >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 784ff00867a gh-39449: Magma padics >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 897e722c74e gh-39423: Use import_module instead of find_spec >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 870aba20786 gh-39397: details in braid groups >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e6975bebe80 gh-39381: Allow system python 3.13 >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b57e33797cf gh-39366: Add documentation to LaurentSeries >>>>> >> >>> >> >> point to >>>>> >> >>> >> accessors >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 357f95e088c gh-39365: Allow coercion from Frac(QQ[x]) to >>>>> >> >>> >> LaurentSeriesRing(QQ) >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 041336691f6 gh-39266: add parameter immutable to generators >>>>> >> >>> >> >> in >>>>> >> >>> >> `sage/graphs/digraph_generators.py` (part 2) >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e0806107d60 gh-39251: Require Python 3.11 or newer; remove >>>>> >> >>> >> >> outdated >>>>> >> >>> >> workarounds >>>>> >> >>> >> >> ac8406fba6a gh-39248: introduce new apozeta polynomial for >>>>> >> >>> >> >> posets >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 10edc54de0a gh-39215: Class polynomial for Drinfeld modules >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 2e0d6d201bf gh-39214: Add keyword prec for exponential and >>>>> >> >>> >> >> logarithm of >>>>> >> >>> >> Drinfeld modules >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b5c26156430 gh-39212: Refactor period lattice >>>>> >> >>> >> >> d0e72a61433 gh-39128: Add note about makeflags and ninja >>>>> >> >>> >> >> parallelism >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 067ebbd0c8c gh-39093: Improve hack used in debug_options >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a89c57b64f8 gh-39092: Remove erroneous member declaration in >>>>> >> >>> >> farey_symbol >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cc231ef0353 gh-39061: Fix some errors in documentation of >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cachefunc >>>>> >> >>> >> >> f0581cbe397 gh-39025: Add reseed_rng option to p_iter_fork >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 290b261bc4f gh-38986: Allow CRT_list() to be called with one >>>>> >> >>> >> >> argument >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 0a278fc918e gh-38824: Turn some doctests in >>>>> >> >>> >> >> `ell_rational_field.py` >>>>> >> >>> >> into long tests >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c43cd23ee83 gh-38650: Add support for pseudomorphisms >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 6e82ee51eb9 gh-38108: Implicit function solver for lazy >>>>> >> >>> >> >> series >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 42d00ed27b3 gh-37173: Implemented `.ramified_places` and >>>>> >> >>> >> >> modified >>>>> >> >>> >> further methods to extend quaternion algebra functionality to >>>>> >> >>> >> number fields >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8d7107c1aab gh-37158: use Parent in quotient rings too >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 766c7a0c5b8 (tag: 10.6.beta6) Updated SageMath version to >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 10.6.beta6 >>>>> >> >>> >> > >>>>> >> >>> >> > -- >>>>> >> >>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> >> >>> >> > Google >>>>> >> >>> >> Groups "sage-release" group. >>>>> >> >>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>> >> >>> >> > it, send >>>>> >> >>> >> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >> >>> >> > To view this discussion visit >>>>> >> >>> >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/aa27984d-e9b6-4eb4-b4a1-a422672e26a6n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >> >>> >> . >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > -- >>>>> >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> >> > Groups "sage-release" group. >>>>> >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> >> > send an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >> > To view this discussion visit >>>>> >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/2c938919-99f9-49e2-865e-6bcc011a0098n%40googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> > Groups "sage-release" group. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> > an email to [email protected]. >>>>> > To view this discussion visit >>>>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/c631ea8b-7c97-433f-9aa6-bf39686332b7n%40googlegroups.com. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "sage-release" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/sage-release/93906b68-a7ce-40eb-a879-b2978dee1fb0n%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "sage-release" group. 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