On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:27 AM Marc Culler <[email protected]> wrote: > > What about just checking the return status of nm piped to grep, as we were > just doing? (Once you know which function you need to look for).
the function name is correct, the mangled name is dgeqrf_, as reported by AC_FC_FUNC, with this value, AC_CHECK_FUNC passes. However, I found something that looks like an upstream (Homebrew?) error: "-fopenmp" is pushed into CFLAGS from the pkg-config, but this causes C compilations (with clang) fail, as Apple clang does not support openmp, as far as I can tell (and Sage's tests on gcc agree with me here). It's probably due to Homebrew using a compiler which can ignore such an unknown option. % pkg-config -cflags openblas -I/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/include -fopenmp Note that without OpenMP openblas is much, much less performant than with it. According to the great R project: https://mac.r-project.org/openmp/, on XCode clang openmp is supported with -Xclang -fopenmp and one also needs an openmp dylib - which Apple doesn't ship (thanks Apple, as usual - of course they want us to use their propriatory stuff), but it is available from R project at the URL above, or from https://formulae.brew.sh/formula/libomp I have yet to try the latter. Probably the flags in openblas.pc still need to be corrected. Dima > > - Marc > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 11:14 AM Dima Pasechnik <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2025 at 10:44 AM Marc Culler <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > The code that is rejecting openblas 0.3.29 appears to be in >> > build/pkgs/openblas/spkgconfigure.m4. >> > >> > That file includes tests for the existence of the symbol dgeqrf_ for the >> > purpose of deciding whether a version of openblas also provides lapack. >> > According to github blame, that seems to have been Dima's idea 5 or 6 >> > years ago. Given that LAPACK appears so many times when searching for >> > dgeqfr in the output of nm, I would guess that version 0.3.29 does in fact >> > provide lapack. But the tests in that m4 file need to be revised. >> >> yes, right, that's exactly what I'm doing now. However, the test is >> very tricky and complicated, as >> a standard way to check that a Fortran function is available is to call >> Fortran >> (something what autoconf macro AC_FC_FUNC would do) >> Instead, the test is done with C++, is much more complicated, and >> fails on macOS arm64 for reasons >> not yet known to me. >> >> I'm trying to see if at least AC_FC_FUNC can do the job, in the >> presence of gfortran... >> >> Dima >> >> > >> > - Marc >> > >> > On Wednesday, February 26, 2025 at 7:45:36 AM UTC-6 [email protected] >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> indeed, I get >> >> >> >> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ nm >> >> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib | grep dgeqrfp >> >> >> >> 0000000000d84dbc T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp >> >> >> >> 0000000000d84eec T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp_work >> >> >> >> 00000000008f4120 T _dgeqrfp_ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 11:11:21 PM UTC+1 [email protected] >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> The symbol which is reported as missing from openblas 0.3.29 (dgeqrf_) >> >>> is defined in openblas 0.3.28 (which is the version built by the Sage >> >>> openblas spkg). >> >>> % nm local/lib/libopenblas.dylib | grep dgeqrf >> >>> 00000000007fcb64 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrf >> >>> 00000000007fcca0 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrf_work >> >>> 00000000007fce58 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp >> >>> 00000000007fcf94 T _LAPACKE_dgeqrfp_work >> >>> 0000000000364c60 T _dgeqrf_ >> >>> 00000000003651a0 T _dgeqrfp_ >> >>> >> >>> If you run that nm command on the Homebrew version of libopenblas.dylib >> >>> it will probably not show that symbol. >> >>> >> >>> The configure script author seemed to think that dgeqrf_ is a good >> >>> symbol to check for when deciding whether an openblas library is >> >>> acceptable. But that symbol was apparently removed from 0.3.29. So >> >>> maybe that was just a bad choice and the script should be checking for >> >>> something else instead. >> >>> >> >>> - Marc >> >>> >> >>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 3:22:00 PM UTC-6 [email protected] >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ otool -TV >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib: >> >>>> >> >>>> Table of contents (0 entries) >> >>>> >> >>>> module name symbol name >> >>>> >> >>>> MAC-04017247:sage dcoudert$ otool -TV >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a | grep dgeqrf >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(dgeqrf.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(dgeqrfp.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrf.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrf_work.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrfp.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.a(lapacke_dgeqrfp_work.o): >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> and yes, I'm trying with https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/39571 >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 8:59:05 PM UTC+1 Dima Pasechnik wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 1:01 PM [email protected] >> >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > my homebrew install of openblas (0.3.29) is not accepted, as can be >> >>>>> > seen in the config.log file. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> can you find anything like "dgeqrf" in the output of >> >>>>> >> >>>>> otool -TV /opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib/libopenblas.dylib >> >>>>> >> >>>>> not 100% sure about the exact name of the dylib , but you get the >> >>>>> idea, right? >> >>>>> The issue comes from >> >>>>> https://github.com/sagemath/sagetrac-mirror/commit/71ac6a5e18ad2e08383a122ef305df593a34aa3a >> >>>>> which is a very hacky way to avoid the use of gfortran. We can re-work >> >>>>> it if needed. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Dima >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > ## --------------------------------------------------------- ## >> >>>>> > ## Checking whether SageMath should install SPKG openblas... ## >> >>>>> > ## --------------------------------------------------------- ## >> >>>>> > configure:18884: checking whether any of gfortran is installed as or >> >>>>> > will be installed as SPKG >> >>>>> > configure:18894: result: no >> >>>>> > configure:18908: checking for openblas >= 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99 >> >>>>> > configure:18915: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas >= >> >>>>> > 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99" >> >>>>> > configure:18918: $? = 0 >> >>>>> > configure:18932: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas >= >> >>>>> > 0.2.20 openblas < 0.3.99" >> >>>>> > configure:18935: $? = 0 >> >>>>> > configure:19931: result: yes >> >>>>> > configure:19940: $PKG_CONFIG --exists --print-errors "openblas" >> >>>>> > configure:19943: $? = 0 >> >>>>> > configure:19963: checking for cblas_dgemm >> >>>>> > configure:19963: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest >> >>>>> > conftest.cpp -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > configure:19963: $? = 0 >> >>>>> > configure:19963: result: yes >> >>>>> > configure:20044: checking for dgeqrf >> >>>>> > configure:20044: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest >> >>>>> > conftest.cpp -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >> >>>>> > "_dgeqrf", referenced from: >> >>>>> > _main in conftest-e6c8b5.o >> >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >> >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to >> >>>>> > see invocation) >> >>>>> > configure:20044: $? = 1 >> >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >> >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >> >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >> >>>>> > | /* Define dgeqrf to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> >> >>>>> > declares dgeqrf. >> >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >> >>>>> > | #define dgeqrf innocuous_dgeqrf >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few >> >>>>> > prototypes, >> >>>>> > | which can conflict with char dgeqrf (void); below. */ >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >> >>>>> > | #undef dgeqrf >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >> >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >> >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >> >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >> >>>>> > | extern "C" >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | char dgeqrf (void); >> >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >> >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >> >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >> >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_dgeqrf || defined __stub___dgeqrf >> >>>>> > | choke me >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | int >> >>>>> > | main (void) >> >>>>> > | { >> >>>>> > | return dgeqrf (); >> >>>>> > | ; >> >>>>> > | return 0; >> >>>>> > | } >> >>>>> > configure:20044: result: no >> >>>>> > configure:20051: checking for dgeqrf_ >> >>>>> > configure:20051: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest >> >>>>> > conftest.cpp -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > configure:20051: $? = 0 >> >>>>> > configure:20051: result: yes >> >>>>> > configure:20058: checking for DGEQRF >> >>>>> > configure:20058: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest >> >>>>> > conftest.cpp -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >> >>>>> > "_DGEQRF", referenced from: >> >>>>> > _main in conftest-8dfd93.o >> >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >> >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to >> >>>>> > see invocation) >> >>>>> > configure:20058: $? = 1 >> >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >> >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >> >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >> >>>>> > | /* Define DGEQRF to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> >> >>>>> > declares DGEQRF. >> >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >> >>>>> > | #define DGEQRF innocuous_DGEQRF >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few >> >>>>> > prototypes, >> >>>>> > | which can conflict with char DGEQRF (void); below. */ >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >> >>>>> > | #undef DGEQRF >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >> >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >> >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >> >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >> >>>>> > | extern "C" >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | char DGEQRF (void); >> >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >> >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >> >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >> >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_DGEQRF || defined __stub___DGEQRF >> >>>>> > | choke me >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | int >> >>>>> > | main (void) >> >>>>> > | { >> >>>>> > | return DGEQRF (); >> >>>>> > | ; >> >>>>> > | return 0; >> >>>>> > | } >> >>>>> > configure:20058: result: no >> >>>>> > configure:20065: checking for DGEQRF_ >> >>>>> > configure:20065: g++ -std=gnu++11 -std=gnu++11 -o conftest >> >>>>> > conftest.cpp -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > Undefined symbols for architecture arm64: >> >>>>> > "_DGEQRF_", referenced from: >> >>>>> > _main in conftest-ff1fe7.o >> >>>>> > ld: symbol(s) not found for architecture arm64 >> >>>>> > clang++: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to >> >>>>> > see invocation) >> >>>>> > configure:20065: $? = 1 >> >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >> >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >> >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >> >>>>> > | /* Define DGEQRF_ to an innocuous variant, in case <limits.h> >> >>>>> > declares DGEQRF_. >> >>>>> > | For example, HP-UX 11i <limits.h> declares gettimeofday. */ >> >>>>> > | #define DGEQRF_ innocuous_DGEQRF_ >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* System header to define __stub macros and hopefully few >> >>>>> > prototypes, >> >>>>> > | which can conflict with char DGEQRF_ (void); below. */ >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | #include <limits.h> >> >>>>> > | #undef DGEQRF_ >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | /* Override any GCC internal prototype to avoid an error. >> >>>>> > | Use char because int might match the return type of a GCC >> >>>>> > | builtin and then its argument prototype would still apply. */ >> >>>>> > | #ifdef __cplusplus >> >>>>> > | extern "C" >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | char DGEQRF_ (void); >> >>>>> > | /* The GNU C library defines this for functions which it implements >> >>>>> > | to always fail with ENOSYS. Some functions are actually named >> >>>>> > | something starting with __ and the normal name is an alias. */ >> >>>>> > | #if defined __stub_DGEQRF_ || defined __stub___DGEQRF_ >> >>>>> > | choke me >> >>>>> > | #endif >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > | int >> >>>>> > | main (void) >> >>>>> > | { >> >>>>> > | return DGEQRF_ (); >> >>>>> > | ; >> >>>>> > | return 0; >> >>>>> > | } >> >>>>> > configure:20065: result: no >> >>>>> > configure:20157: checking the OpenBLAS version using >> >>>>> > openblas_get_config >> >>>>> > configure:20185: gcc -o conftest >> >>>>> > -I/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/include -fopenmp -g -O2 >> >>>>> > conftest.c -L/opt/homebrew/Cellar/openblas/0.3.29/lib -lopenblas >> >>>>> > -lbz2 -lglpk -lgmp -lm >&5 >> >>>>> > clang: error: unsupported option '-fopenmp' >> >>>>> > clang: error: unsupported option '-fopenmp' >> >>>>> > configure:20185: $? = 1 >> >>>>> > configure: program exited with status 1 >> >>>>> > configure: failed program was: >> >>>>> > | /* confdefs.h */ >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_NAME "Sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_TARNAME "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_STRING "Sage 10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "[email protected]" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE_URL "" >> >>>>> > | #define PACKAGE "sage" >> >>>>> > | #define VERSION "10.6.beta7" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDIO_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRING_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STDINT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define STDC_HEADERS 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_LIBM 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_CXX11 1 >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_GMP_H 1 >> >>>>> > | #define ABSOLUTE_GMP_H "///opt/homebrew/include/gmp.h" >> >>>>> > | #define HAVE_BOOST /**/ >> >>>>> > | /* end confdefs.h. */ >> >>>>> > | #include <string.h> >> >>>>> > | char *openblas_get_config(void); >> >>>>> > | int >> >>>>> > | main (void) >> >>>>> > | { >> >>>>> > | if (!strncmp(openblas_get_config(), "OpenBLAS 0.3.22", 15)) return >> >>>>> > 1; >> >>>>> > | ; >> >>>>> > | return 0; >> >>>>> > | } >> >>>>> > | >> >>>>> > configure:20191: result: known bad version >> >>>>> > configure:20261: no suitable system package found for SPKG openblas >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 7:36:27 PM UTC+1 Dima Pasechnik >> >>>>> > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 12:03 PM [email protected] >> >>>>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > I agree that we should use as many homebrew packages as possible, >> >>>>> >> > but how can we ensure that we follow the upgrades ? >> >>>>> >> > For instance the versions of openblas (0.3.29), gsl (2.8), numpy >> >>>>> >> > (2.2.3), scipy (1.15.2) and pari (2.17.1) are newer on homebrew >> >>>>> >> > than what we accept. >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> Because the update of pari is stalled due to a bug reported? >> >>>>> >> A Pari expert should step up and tell whether it's an upstream bug, >> >>>>> >> or not. >> >>>>> >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38749 >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> openblas (of any version less than 0.3.99) should be accepted, >> >>>>> >> provided it is recognised by pkg-config >> >>>>> >> (you'd need to run source .homebrew-build-env for the latter). >> >>>>> >> Same applies to gsl. >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> numpy and scipy are Python packages, you need >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> to have them from "outside". >> >>>>> >> There are no version constraints on them imposed. >> >>>>> >> I have a meanwhile bitrotten PR to upgrade numpy and scipy, and >> >>>>> >> despite requesting review from 5 people, only two responded. >> >>>>> >> https://github.com/sagemath/sage/pull/38846, back in Oct 2024. >> >>>>> >> Then reviewers just disappeared there... >> >>>>> >> Some of these updates are now in separate PRs. Some need to be done. >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> See, that's what I mean by "Sage has too many vendored packages". >> >>>>> >> These packages are bog-standard PyPI packages, we could have >> >>>>> >> followed >> >>>>> >> the new versions if we didn't have this so beloved by some version >> >>>>> >> locks. >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> Dima >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > I'm currently facing the following issue: >> >>>>> >> > ipykernel fails to compile and reports that it is unable to find >> >>>>> >> > jupyter_core. But configure says: >> >>>>> >> > jupyter_core: using system package; SPKG will not be installed >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > I'm currently trying to compile from scratch with >> >>>>> >> > --with-system-jupyter_core=no. We'll see if it's better. >> >>>>> >> > >> >>>>> >> > On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:16:24 PM UTC+1 John H Palmieri >> >>>>> >> > wrote: >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> Maybe this is naive, but if you're testing a change from the old >> >>>>> >> >> situation, where Python 3.13 was not allowed, to now allowing >> >>>>> >> >> it, I might imagine that you would test it on standard supported >> >>>>> >> >> platforms, like OS X with Python 3.13 installed via homebrew. We >> >>>>> >> >> should back out the change until it's implemented correctly. >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >> On Tuesday, February 25, 2025 at 6:46:41 AM UTC-8 Dima Pasechnik >> >>>>> >> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> On 24 February 2025 23:52:36 GMT-06:00, John H Palmieri >> >>>>> >> >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> >Sage should work out of the box without >> >>>>> >> >>> >"--enable-system-site-packages". >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> The box has become so heavy that one needs a forklift to do >> >>>>> >> >>> anything with it :-) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> > If >> >>>>> >> >>> >it doesn't, that's a bug in Sage. How about we don't allow >> >>>>> >> >>> >Python 3.13 if >> >>>>> >> >>> >it's broken? Why wasn't this caught in testing? >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> well, Sage with Python 3.13 works on Linux, >> >>>>> >> >>> and is default on some. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> It appears that there are dozens of macOS/apple toolchain/apple >> >>>>> >> >>> hardware combos, and each of them has its very own set of bugs, >> >>>>> >> >>> misfeatures, multiple dodgy Python installs, etc. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> We can't possibly test for all of them. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> And please don't force on Sage developers the need to dig up >> >>>>> >> >>> and reproduce solutions by Homebrew, which has 10 times more >> >>>>> >> >>> developers and nontrivial funding, solutions which are already >> >>>>> >> >>> there. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> What's wrong with using the flag above, if it works? >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> I hope William S. forgives me if I quote his up to date opinion >> >>>>> >> >>> on Macs: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> ----- >> >>>>> >> >>> For me, Macs are reasonable as basically "Chromebooks" that can >> >>>>> >> >>> also >> >>>>> >> >>> run Linux VM's pretty well and keep track of photos and video. >> >>>>> >> >>> Beyond >> >>>>> >> >>> that it's extremely painful, and I vastly prefer Linux for all >> >>>>> >> >>> things >> >>>>> >> >>> dev/server/remote. >> >>>>> >> >>> ----- >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> My opinion is similar - except that the only use of Mac I have >> >>>>> >> >>> is to cause myself extreme pain by trying to fix never ending >> >>>>> >> >>> macOS - specific >> >>>>> >> >>> issues. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> On macOS, either we embrace Homebrew and use it to get external >> >>>>> >> >>> dependencies, or we use Conda. Current "build everything from >> >>>>> >> >>> ground up" has become next to impossible in any reliable way. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> Dima >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>>>> >> >>> > >> >>>>> >> >>> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >On Monday, February 24, 2025 at 7:34:13 PM UTC-8 Dima >> >>>>> >> >>> >Pasechnik wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Feb 24, 2025 at 5:44 PM John H Palmieri >> >>>>> >> >>> >> <[email protected]> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > On OS X 15.3.1 with many homebrew packages installed, >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > including both >> >>>>> >> >>> >> Python 3.12 and Python 3.13: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > - if I use Python 3.13, `pillow` and `cffi` fail to build. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > (I used >> >>>>> >> >>> >> "./configure", and I also tried after applying the patch >> >>>>> >> >>> >> from #39570) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> how about using installing pillow and cffi in Homebrew, and >> >>>>> >> >>> >> doing >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> ./configure --enable-system-site-packages >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> This should pick them from Homebrew. (If it doesn't it's a >> >>>>> >> >>> >> Sage bug I >> >>>>> >> >>> >> suppose) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> Frankly speaking I am less than excited to try to figure out >> >>>>> >> >>> >> what goes >> >>>>> >> >>> >> wrong in sdh_pip_install >> >>>>> >> >>> >> in this case. Homebrew can do it... >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > - if I use Python 3.12, then `pillow` and `cffi` and >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > indeed everything >> >>>>> >> >>> >> builds successfully. (I used "./configure >> >>>>> >> >>> >> --with-python=`which python3.12`") >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > On Friday, February 21, 2025 at 3:40:17 PM UTC-8 Volker >> >>>>> >> >>> >> > Braun wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> As always, you can get the latest beta version from the >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> "develop" git >> >>>>> >> >>> >> branch. Alternatively, the self-contained source tarball is >> >>>>> >> >>> >> at >> >>>>> >> >>> >> http://www.sagemath.org/download-latest.html >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 9cd86e9596a (tag: 10.6.beta7, github/develop) Updated >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> SageMath version >> >>>>> >> >>> >> to 10.6.beta7 >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c2766d1f625 gh-39541: Remove dead mailing lists. >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 54951498178 gh-39536: Fix a nonfunctional long time >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> doctest tag >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 5289298248a gh-39533: build/pkgs: update eclib to version >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 20250122 >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 7420a272382 gh-39530: Improvement to flint_autogen reader >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cee1e2b52f9 gh-39527: Test on CI that update-meson is >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> properly ran >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a007379b910 gh-39523: multi polynomial element/repr >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 850493472d5 gh-39521: rename also set-like species >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> bd626efc02f gh-39518: line_graph for multigraphs >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 72c6188116a gh-39513: Show test failures of ci-meson as >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> annotations >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 4f4c1203415 gh-39510: add of the function >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> rank_support_of_vector >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 2af3de6fa6e gh-39509: Add a doctest for >> >>>>> >> >>> >> HomsetsCategory._make_named_class_key >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> d8b7cdfcecb gh-39508: Fix some typo >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b567299fbbb gh-39506: New algorithm for cuts of a Poset >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 88672d71a29 gh-39505: Improve handling of strings >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> supplied as matrix >> >>>>> >> >>> >> entries >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 935232df552 gh-39504: Implement im_gens in the class >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> fraction_field_FpT >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a01815fda00 gh-39499: Improve sage_getfile by looking at >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> __init__ >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b7da8f23c43 gh-39498: Apply sort and filter of >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> walk_packages >> >>>>> >> >>> >> consistently >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 3500f616037 gh-39497: moving random_element to category >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> of rings >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e368fa71812 gh-39496: Add deformation cones and checking >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> for regularity >> >>>>> >> >>> >> for Point Configurations and normal fans of Polyhedra >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8978ff83f52 gh-39495: Add documentation of Gabidulin >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> codes in the >> >>>>> >> >>> >> reference manual >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 98eec5d86fe gh-39494: Fix more doctests in meson_editable >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> install >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cfbaaf16be2 gh-39491: fixing doctests failures in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> misc/latex*.py >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a2737325c19 gh-39489: fix several oeis related doctests >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8a44c7365b7 gh-39488: Fix issue on matrix construction >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> over integer mod >> >>>>> >> >>> >> ring for large coefficients >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 78a3eede92c gh-39487: Improvement of the rendering of the >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> documentation >> >>>>> >> >>> >> in polynomial sequence >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 34b7f9050fb gh-39486: Finish changing Rational's round >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> method default >> >>>>> >> >>> >> rounding to even >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 04afcf71552 gh-39485: Implement conversion from laurent >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> series to >> >>>>> >> >>> >> rational function field >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> ae158663847 gh-39482: fix one typo >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 83f7d065286 gh-39481: Fixed issue in list_plot where it >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> assumed data >> >>>>> >> >>> >> had been enumerated when it might not have been >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 8e204dde3b3 gh-39479: Fixed crash when exp(0) of p-adic >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> numbers is >> >>>>> >> >>> >> called >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 11ee7ca4e19 gh-39477: typing and details in tableaux files >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c61e562de76 gh-39476: typing annotation for gens method >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> in rings and >> >>>>> >> >>> >> groups (pyx files) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 85ce297ff2c gh-39474: convert gens method in modular to >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> return tuple >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c732c6552e4 gh-39473: add tuple typing to gens methods in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> algebras >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 556d5f0eb80 gh-39466: remove some deprecations in groups >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c22e48480c3 gh-39456: Trivial simplifications for arccos >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 68744be391e gh-39454: remove deprecated stuff in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> permutation.py >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 784ff00867a gh-39449: Magma padics >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 897e722c74e gh-39423: Use import_module instead of >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> find_spec >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 870aba20786 gh-39397: details in braid groups >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e6975bebe80 gh-39381: Allow system python 3.13 >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b57e33797cf gh-39366: Add documentation to LaurentSeries >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> point to >> >>>>> >> >>> >> accessors >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 357f95e088c gh-39365: Allow coercion from Frac(QQ[x]) to >> >>>>> >> >>> >> LaurentSeriesRing(QQ) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 041336691f6 gh-39266: add parameter immutable to >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> generators in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> `sage/graphs/digraph_generators.py` (part 2) >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> e0806107d60 gh-39251: Require Python 3.11 or newer; >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> remove outdated >> >>>>> >> >>> >> workarounds >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> ac8406fba6a gh-39248: introduce new apozeta polynomial >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> for posets >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 10edc54de0a gh-39215: Class polynomial for Drinfeld >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> modules >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 2e0d6d201bf gh-39214: Add keyword prec for exponential >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> and logarithm of >> >>>>> >> >>> >> Drinfeld modules >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> b5c26156430 gh-39212: Refactor period lattice >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> d0e72a61433 gh-39128: Add note about makeflags and ninja >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> parallelism >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 067ebbd0c8c gh-39093: Improve hack used in debug_options >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> a89c57b64f8 gh-39092: Remove erroneous member declaration >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> farey_symbol >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cc231ef0353 gh-39061: Fix some errors in documentation of >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> cachefunc >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> f0581cbe397 gh-39025: Add reseed_rng option to p_iter_fork >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 290b261bc4f gh-38986: Allow CRT_list() to be called with >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> one argument >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 0a278fc918e gh-38824: Turn some doctests in >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> `ell_rational_field.py` >> >>>>> >> >>> >> into long tests >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> c43cd23ee83 gh-38650: Add support for pseudomorphisms >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 6e82ee51eb9 gh-38108: Implicit function solver for lazy >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> series >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 42d00ed27b3 gh-37173: Implemented `.ramified_places` and >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> modified >> >>>>> >> >>> >> further methods to extend quaternion algebra functionality >> >>>>> >> >>> >> to number fields >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> 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