Annette, I was more than a bit surprised with the tone of your posting. You seem to have taken my posting as a personal accusation. It was in no way intended to be that way. I was not accusing anyone of anything. If you re-read my posting, you will note (I hope,) that mine were mere observations, and a reiteration/endorsement of Dilip's observations. Anyway, when things (discussions) reach this point, where they begin to get to the stage of 'cyber blows' then I choose to opt out, as it is not worth wasting my time, energy, or sanity to prolong a discussion that's not going along the lines it should; because from there, it can easily spiral out of control, unless Rico decides to put a stop to it. Before it gets to that point, obviously, I choose to end this discussion as there is not much point in prolonging it, in my opinion!
I have not been receiving the last few postings to Saligaonet (including mine) which is why I was wondering whether they were getting through. Patsy ________________________________ From: ANNETTE D'SOUZA <[email protected]> To: Saligaon Foxy news <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, April 28, 2010 4:18:34 AM Subject: [SALIGAONET] Saligao-related issues Discuss all you want, Patsy & other SaligaoNetters... "religious, political, social, economic" & a whole host of other issues...I have never been against discussion, or against people having their say, opinions, views... I have reached the age & stage where I am well able to accept the latter, & discuss. ....However I am surprised to note that you expect us to just ignore the rules of what you call "Saligao-related" nonsense laid down on this Forum. Do please get the rules changed using your persuasive tactics & reasoning powers & we will follow suit ...- discussion of any and every topic under the sun on SaligaoNet. I look forward to that..... In case you are not aware yet .... GoaNet is a good forum to discuss various issues. By the way, Patsy, are you into mind-reading now?..... how would you know my thoughts on care, protection of children or adults or animals for that matter just because I wished that we SaligaoNetters adhere to the rule - "Saligao-related" topics? As you said there are groups discussing various issues around the world & it is no different in my small space of my world. This particular issue that Dilip touched on has been a point of disucssion since last year or perhaps before, (so you & Dilip are a bit late as it is) but as I mentioned above, I do stick to rules laid down - can you envisage any system, school, organisation, government etc. succeeding if their rules are not adhered to? As for your statement - "This has to do with basic issues of personal safety and protection" - have you forgotten that these issues in general & in particular have been around since time immemorial? & the world is still dealing with them, sometimes succeeding but not always - I am sure you are reading enough about the same on the newspaper every morning. With regard to the caption The Elephant in the Room ...... to cover all aspects of this issue & prospective issues, perhaps we could tack on - "Blinkers On"! We've had the Elephant, the Ostrich,... why not the Horse? Poor things! all these animals/birds are God's creatures also & I dont like maligning them as I care for these (vulnerable?) as they are unable to speak for themselves and just have to accept whatever is meted out to them. ...Just for the record, I am no activist - Human Rights or Animal Rights - just a human sharing the Planet Earth with others & I would like to stay that way, preferably in peace & harmony. Happy Feast to one & all...May the Mother of God bless & protect us all, always. Annette ________________________________ Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:16:00 -0700 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SALIGAONET] The Elephant in the Room....????? Ostrich head inthe Sand???? To: [email protected] Sorry....a little late in posting my comments on this topic. (Am actually on vacation right now!) But as Dilip rightly says, this serious issue is being discussed by all kinds of groups all over the world - especially anyone interested in some positive action and outcomes. Every point that Dilip has made is extremely valid, and the degree to which we participate or want to participate in a discussion of this kind (on any forum), is a clear and direct indication of our interest in wanting to protect the most vulnerable members of society - our children! We need to be cautious about having completely blind faith in anyone. Unfortunately, that is how the vulnerable are taken advantage of, anywhere....in case we don't know already!! There is nothing wrong with wanting to be absolutely reassured that our children receive the protection they deserve. And not wanting to discuss matters like these because they are either "religious" or "political" issues......I can't really make any sense of that at all. And as far as the 'Saligao-related' nonsense goes.....I can only say how disappointed I am that that thought would even come to the mind of anyone who genuinely cares about children or youth. This has to do with basic issues of personal safety and protection. The "Elephant in the Room" caption for this issue could not be more apt! Patsy So there genuinely is an elephant in the room that we daren't talk about... and some of us move very quickly to keep it that way. One says it's not a Saligao issue: didnt know there were no children in saligao, or that saligaokars had no children elsewhere. Come on Annette! Melvin claims that having such a discussion would be religious or political when in fact it is only about protecting children - our village children - whether they have or have not been victims. (please note, Fred, no one is guilty at present) And the rest of us bury our heads in the sand and discuss other matters of great importance (religious feasts and youth soccer). How ironic! Just wanted to test the water and I've come to the conclusion that it's cold - cold with fright. PS Thanks for the spoiler Albert, I had no idea what a trumpet looked like until your email came along. PPS Fred, is this one going to get through or is it too close to the bone? [email protected] ________________________________ From: dilip dacruz <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 12:56:51 PM Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] The Elephant in the Room....????? Ostrich head inthe Sand???? ________________________________ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:44:07 -0700 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] The Elephant in the Room....????? Ostrich head inthe Sand???? Yeah, Fully agree with you that unless Saligao related other issues should not be discussed or persons should not seek answers on this village website specially if it is relating to politics and religion. Let the village gossip prevail. Melvin -------Original Message------- From: ANNETTE D'SOUZA Date: 4/19/2010 3:45:42 AM To: Saligaon Foxy news Subject: RE: [SALIGAONET] The Elephant in the Room....????? Ostrich head inthe Sand???? Hmm! I have questions, opinions, views on this issue & many others but unless Saligao-related (that is the rule on this forum isnt it?) .....they will remain with me! & from past experience it is better that religion & politics is left out else we have everybody calling everybody names.... & the issue gets left behind... & then the Moderator descends on us too. ...No offense Rico & all the Fathers of SaligaoNet... Guess Rico finally managed to divert the "crap" that got into our mailboxes till a few days ago. Hope you get your answers, Dilip!...even if not on this forum! How about joining GoaNet or GoaNews. Rico can get you on those anytime...I think.... and you will have a full mailbox too...can get your teeth (or mind) into everything....I think... Have a good day..one & all Annette PS: Hope all are safe & sound at home & not stranded somewhere around the world due to the "volclanic ash" spewed out. ________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: [SALIGAONET] The Elephant in the Room Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:24:30 +0400 Brethren, we've all heard about parishonal child abuse in Canada, Australia, Ireland, France and Germany. The matter is spreading globally, and not unexpectedly. I came across an article in "The Independent" (London) that shocked me. It was about possible parishonal child abuse in Malta, a bastion of catholicism, just like Goa. Quote: "The tiny Mediterranean state, the last place in Europe where divorce is not possible, is among the most devout in the Catholic world. But the paedophilia crisis is raging here as well, with news that 25 of the island's 855 priests face abuse allegations." http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/faith/pope-ventures-out-of-rome-ndash-but-victims-of-church-abuse-lie-in-wait-1947233.html Isn't it time this group addressed the elephant in the room? At what point will one of us spineless ones actually stand up and ask about the welfare of our own? When will we enquire about the welfare and protection of our young people in Goa, Saligao included? Or are we going to continue to do the ostrich trick and just keep our heads buried? Well, Im not ashamed and not afraid to ask the questions. Here they are and I'd be grateful for any answers/comments/ insults(!): Q1: Are there any policies in place that afford transparent protection to the young lads in our seminary, schools or other places that deal with children, catholic or otherwise? Q2: Have there ever been any cases of alleged child sexual abuse reported in Saligao, and from such institutions in particular? If not, do we think that's a troubling finding? or are we reassured? Q3: Is there a transparent, advertised process by which the vulnerable can seek help? A telephone line, a contact person, an NGO etc Does any one in this group have answers/opinions on these issues? Or are we all in the dark....and like it that way? Surely we should not be ashamed to talk about these matters. Discussion is never harmful to people or organisations. I was relieved to learn that the RC church in India had at last taken a very, very small step to deal with the problem - they are having a conference to discuss it.....well we have to start somewhere I guess, even if its 15 years too late. http://in.christiantoday.com/articles/catholic-church-to-bring-guidelines-to-deal-with-sexual-abuse-by-clergy/5273.htm [email protected] ________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. -- This message comes via the Google Groups "Saligao-Net" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/saligao-net?hl=en Please post regularly to keep the e-village active! ________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. 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