I will have it it for you. I'm just not at a place I could ssh intothe
server.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>wrote:
> 2011/4/26 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> > Just giving you more information. We're trying to stream from two
> different
> > locations now using the same tool to compare. Right now we're using BUTT
> > (broadcast using this tool).
> >
> > I think we're seeing the duffer slowly lose data from one location, and
> it
> > feels back up when it gets to 0. It remains steady from the other
> location.
> > I don't know all that much about the streaming protocol, but from what I
> > understand the server tells the client "hey, hurry up and send me data,
> OK
> > send it slower now, stop. OK hit me with more now!".
> >
> > So I'm wondering if there is also a problem with that logic, so under
> > certain consitions liquidsoap doesn't ask for more data.
>
> We have seen a case in the past where the problem was due to a slight
> clock drift between the two machines. This was clearly identified by a
> constant negative slope in the graph of the buffer's length.
>
> This is why I would like to see the full logs from which you posted an
> extract later today to confirm or not that there is a constante
> negative slope..
>
> Romain
>
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Brandon Casci <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> There are a few patches you;ve added since 1 beta that will break other
> >> live broadcasts. I'm pretty sure you put in some accommodations for
> certain
> >> shoutcast clients after 1.0 beta.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 2011/4/26 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> >>> >'d like
> >>> > Also, the several thousand lines turns out to me over many minutes,
> and
> >>> > it's
> >>> > not hovering at 80k. The buffer slowly spirals down to 0, which takes
> >>> > 10 to
> >>> > 15 minutes, and then fills back up again. The process repeats.
> Neither
> >>> > log
> >>> > files shows a network error when this happens.
> >>>
> >>> I confirm the issue:
> >>> http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/LS-515
> >>>
> >>> This is a pretty bad one and I have absolutely no clue about its
> >>> origin at the moment...
> >>>
> >>> Is there any chance you could try 1.0 beta? First I'd like to know if
> >>> it happens with this version and also it may provide you a workaround
> >>> while we figure this out..
> >>>
> >>> Romain
> >>>
> >>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Brandon Casci <
> [email protected]>
> >>> > wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> OK Romain, here is what's happening.....
> >>> >>
> >>> >> # the buffer likes to hover around 80k, and slowly starts to 0 over
> >>> >> thousands of log lines, then rapidly jumps back up to 80k
> >>> >> 13.901776 2916
> >>> >> 13.902764 1692
> >>> >> 13.903521 2232
> >>> >> 13.904262 2772
> >>> >> 13.905377 2700
> >>> >> 13.906489 3240
> >>> >> 13.907238 2016
> >>> >> 13.908212 2556
> >>> >> 13.908957 792
> >>> >> 13.909852 1332
> >>> >> 13.910592 3024
> >>> >> 13.911324 1800
> >>> >> 13.912123 2340
> >>> >> 13.914270 0
> >>> >> 13.914357 4608
> >>> >> 13.915130 5760
> >>> >> 13.916071 8064
> >>> >> 13.916810 10368
> >>> >> 13.917402 10368
> >>> >> 13.917485 14976
> >>> >> 13.918664 16128
> >>> >> 13.919956 18432
> >>> >> 13.920989 20736
> >>> >> 13.922087 23040
> >>> >> 13.922824 26496
> >>> >> 13.923857 28800
> >>> >> 13.925247 31104
> >>> >> 13.925996 33408
> >>> >> 13.926830 35712
> >>> >> 13.927762 39168
> >>> >> 13.928821 41472
> >>> >> 13.929856 43776
> >>> >> 13.930600 46080
> >>> >> 13.931430 49536
> >>> >> 13.932479 51840
> >>> >> 13.933504 54144
> >>> >> 13.934249 55296
> >>> >> 13.934988 56448
> >>> >> 13.935798 58752
> >>> >> 13.936643 62208
> >>> >> 13.937388 64512
> >>> >> 13.938254 66816
> >>> >> 13.939328 69120
> >>> >> 13.940288 72576
> >>> >> 13.941252 74880
> >>> >> 13.942127 77184
> >>> >> 13.942918 78336
> >>> >> 13.943656 79488
> >>> >> 13.944432 81792
> >>> >> 13.945255 85248
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Brandon Casci
> >>> >> <[email protected]>
> >>> >> wrote:
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> the version options says.....
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Liquidsoap 1.0.0-beta+svn (trunk/liquidsoap@rev8064).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Brandon Casci
> >>> >>> <[email protected]>
> >>> >>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> Nearly all of the ones with problems use MP3. Also a few of them
> >>> >>>> seem to
> >>> >>>> have the problem around song changes, so their encoder might not
> >>> >>>> send data
> >>> >>>> for a short time, which probably means the input harbor thinks
> >>> >>>> disconnected...the buffer probably runs out before the audio track
> >>> >>>> is sent.
> >>> >>>> Just a guess though.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> OK, I will go in there and start logging away :)
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Romain Beauxis
> >>> >>>> <[email protected]>
> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> 2011/4/25 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> >>> >>>>> > Right now we have a trunk version in place. I'm not sure of the
> >>> >>>>> > version. I
> >>> >>>>> > will check, it's from withing the last 3 months though.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Ok. Also, what input format are you clients using? ogg/vorbis?
> mp3?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> > I was not aware of logging specific to the input harbor. Can
> >>> >>>>> > please
> >>> >>>>> > you
> >>> >>>>> > point me to the docs?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Well, just add:
> >>> >>>>> logfile="/tmp/buffer.log"
> >>> >>>>> to the arguments of input.harbor, and send me/us the file after
> you
> >>> >>>>> have observed some disconnections..
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> > The logs currently don't show network activity, just switching
> >>> >>>>> > between
> >>> >>>>> > sources. Do we need to increase the log level, or would this
> >>> >>>>> > data
> >>> >>>>> > show up
> >>> >>>>> > in the input harbor log?
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Yes possibly. You could use
> >>> >>>>> set("log.level",5)
> >>> >>>>> to see more details..
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Romain
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> >
> >>> >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Romain Beauxis
> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]>
> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
> >>> >>>>> >>
> >>> >>>>> >> Hi again,
> >>> >>>>> >>
> >>> >>>>> >> 2011/4/25 Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>:
> >>> >>>>> >> > Le 25 avril 2011 15:02, Brandon Casci <
> [email protected]>
> >>> >>>>> >> > a
> >>> >>>>> >> > écrit :
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Hello
> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >>> >>>>> >> > Hi Brandon,
> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >>> >>>>> >> >> I have a considerable amount of broadcasters that have
> issues
> >>> >>>>> >> >> with
> >>> >>>>> >> >> streaming
> >>> >>>>> >> >> to an input harbor. Their broadcast frequently switches
> >>> >>>>> >> >> between a
> >>> >>>>> >> >> local
> >>> >>>>> >> >> source and the input harbor. After a lot of research a few
> of
> >>> >>>>> >> >> them do
> >>> >>>>> >> >> have
> >>> >>>>> >> >> crappy home networks, and bandwidth issues, which explains
> >>> >>>>> >> >> some
> >>> >>>>> >> >> of the
> >>> >>>>> >> >> problems. The others seem to have no bandwidth issues, but
> I
> >>> >>>>> >> >> am
> >>> >>>>> >> >> wondering if
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Liquidsoap is input harbor more sensitive to network
> latency
> >>> >>>>> >> >> than
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Icecast
> >>> >>>>> >> >> and Shoutcast. So maybe Liquidsoap has a smaller buffer,
> and
> >>> >>>>> >> >> is
> >>> >>>>> >> >> prone
> >>> >>>>> >> >> to
> >>> >>>>> >> >> thinking the live broadcast has been disconnected much
> >>> >>>>> >> >> earlier
> >>> >>>>> >> >> than
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Shoutcast or Icecast might. Is that a reasonable theory?
> For
> >>> >>>>> >> >> now
> >>> >>>>> >> >> I'm
> >>> >>>>> >> >> going
> >>> >>>>> >> >> to test it by having some live stream directly to an
> Icecast
> >>> >>>>> >> >> server
> >>> >>>>> >> >> and see
> >>> >>>>> >> >> if their problems go away.
> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >>> >>>>> >> > What version of liquidsoap are you using?
> >>> >>>>> >>
> >>> >>>>> >> The reason I am asking this is because I also suspect
> something
> >>> >>>>> >> in
> >>> >>>>> >> the
> >>> >>>>> >> recent versions of liquidsoap.
> >>> >>>>> >> One thing you can do to monitor the issue is to use the
> logfile
> >>> >>>>> >> parameter of input.harbor. This creates a file which contains
> >>> >>>>> >> the
> >>> >>>>> >> length of the input buffer over time which can be plotted, in
> >>> >>>>> >> order
> >>> >>>>> >> to
> >>> >>>>> >> get an idea of what's going on..
> >>> >>>>> >>
> >>> >>>>> >> Also, you should check the logs for messages of the type:
> >>> >>>>> >> "No network activity for 1 second(s)."
> >>> >>>>> >> If those messages happen a lot and the graph of the input
> buffer
> >>> >>>>> >> goes
> >>> >>>>> >> to zero, then the problem is on the networking side..
> >>> >>>>> >>
> >>> >>>>> >> > Romain
> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >>> >>>>> >> >> --
> >>> >>>>> >> >> =========================================
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Brandon Casci
> >>> >>>>> >> >> Loudcaster
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