Interesting stuff. Just curious, how would you fix that?
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>wrote:
> 2011/4/26 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> > I will have it it for you. I'm just not at a place I could ssh intothe
> > server.
>
> I see.
>
> What you can do to test if this is a clock problem is the following:
> * Have your broadcaster send its data to an icecast running on the
> server instead of liquidsoap
> * Listen to your broadcaster's stream from the server
>
> If the problem is due to a clock drift then your player should also
> see its buffer droping slowly to zero. A good player to see that is
> mplayer since it displays continuously the percentage of filling of
> its buffer.. You should also be able to listen even without no sound
> card using -ao null.
>
> Romain
>
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:40 PM, Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> 2011/4/26 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> >> > Just giving you more information. We're trying to stream from two
> >> > different
> >> > locations now using the same tool to compare. Right now we're using
> BUTT
> >> > (broadcast using this tool).
> >> >
> >> > I think we're seeing the duffer slowly lose data from one location,
> and
> >> > it
> >> > feels back up when it gets to 0. It remains steady from the other
> >> > location.
> >> > I don't know all that much about the streaming protocol, but from what
> I
> >> > understand the server tells the client "hey, hurry up and send me
> data,
> >> > OK
> >> > send it slower now, stop. OK hit me with more now!".
> >> >
> >> > So I'm wondering if there is also a problem with that logic, so under
> >> > certain consitions liquidsoap doesn't ask for more data.
> >>
> >> We have seen a case in the past where the problem was due to a slight
> >> clock drift between the two machines. This was clearly identified by a
> >> constant negative slope in the graph of the buffer's length.
> >>
> >> This is why I would like to see the full logs from which you posted an
> >> extract later today to confirm or not that there is a constante
> >> negative slope..
> >>
> >> Romain
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Brandon Casci <
> [email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> There are a few patches you;ve added since 1 beta that will break
> other
> >> >> live broadcasts. I'm pretty sure you put in some accommodations for
> >> >> certain
> >> >> shoutcast clients after 1.0 beta.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Romain Beauxis <
> [email protected]>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> 2011/4/26 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> >> >>> >'d like
> >> >>> > Also, the several thousand lines turns out to me over many
> minutes,
> >> >>> > and
> >> >>> > it's
> >> >>> > not hovering at 80k. The buffer slowly spirals down to 0, which
> >> >>> > takes
> >> >>> > 10 to
> >> >>> > 15 minutes, and then fills back up again. The process repeats.
> >> >>> > Neither
> >> >>> > log
> >> >>> > files shows a network error when this happens.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I confirm the issue:
> >> >>> http://dev.sourcefabric.org/browse/LS-515
> >> >>>
> >> >>> This is a pretty bad one and I have absolutely no clue about its
> >> >>> origin at the moment...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Is there any chance you could try 1.0 beta? First I'd like to know
> if
> >> >>> it happens with this version and also it may provide you a
> workaround
> >> >>> while we figure this out..
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Romain
> >> >>>
> >> >>> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 1:33 AM, Brandon Casci
> >> >>> > <[email protected]>
> >> >>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> OK Romain, here is what's happening.....
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> # the buffer likes to hover around 80k, and slowly starts to 0
> >> >>> >> over
> >> >>> >> thousands of log lines, then rapidly jumps back up to 80k
> >> >>> >> 13.901776 2916
> >> >>> >> 13.902764 1692
> >> >>> >> 13.903521 2232
> >> >>> >> 13.904262 2772
> >> >>> >> 13.905377 2700
> >> >>> >> 13.906489 3240
> >> >>> >> 13.907238 2016
> >> >>> >> 13.908212 2556
> >> >>> >> 13.908957 792
> >> >>> >> 13.909852 1332
> >> >>> >> 13.910592 3024
> >> >>> >> 13.911324 1800
> >> >>> >> 13.912123 2340
> >> >>> >> 13.914270 0
> >> >>> >> 13.914357 4608
> >> >>> >> 13.915130 5760
> >> >>> >> 13.916071 8064
> >> >>> >> 13.916810 10368
> >> >>> >> 13.917402 10368
> >> >>> >> 13.917485 14976
> >> >>> >> 13.918664 16128
> >> >>> >> 13.919956 18432
> >> >>> >> 13.920989 20736
> >> >>> >> 13.922087 23040
> >> >>> >> 13.922824 26496
> >> >>> >> 13.923857 28800
> >> >>> >> 13.925247 31104
> >> >>> >> 13.925996 33408
> >> >>> >> 13.926830 35712
> >> >>> >> 13.927762 39168
> >> >>> >> 13.928821 41472
> >> >>> >> 13.929856 43776
> >> >>> >> 13.930600 46080
> >> >>> >> 13.931430 49536
> >> >>> >> 13.932479 51840
> >> >>> >> 13.933504 54144
> >> >>> >> 13.934249 55296
> >> >>> >> 13.934988 56448
> >> >>> >> 13.935798 58752
> >> >>> >> 13.936643 62208
> >> >>> >> 13.937388 64512
> >> >>> >> 13.938254 66816
> >> >>> >> 13.939328 69120
> >> >>> >> 13.940288 72576
> >> >>> >> 13.941252 74880
> >> >>> >> 13.942127 77184
> >> >>> >> 13.942918 78336
> >> >>> >> 13.943656 79488
> >> >>> >> 13.944432 81792
> >> >>> >> 13.945255 85248
> >> >>> >>
> >> >>> >> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Brandon Casci
> >> >>> >> <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> the version options says.....
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> Liquidsoap 1.0.0-beta+svn (trunk/liquidsoap@rev8064).
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>>
> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Brandon Casci
> >> >>> >>> <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> Nearly all of the ones with problems use MP3. Also a few of
> them
> >> >>> >>>> seem to
> >> >>> >>>> have the problem around song changes, so their encoder might
> not
> >> >>> >>>> send data
> >> >>> >>>> for a short time, which probably means the input harbor thinks
> >> >>> >>>> disconnected...the buffer probably runs out before the audio
> >> >>> >>>> track
> >> >>> >>>> is sent.
> >> >>> >>>> Just a guess though.
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> OK, I will go in there and start logging away :)
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>>
> >> >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Romain Beauxis
> >> >>> >>>> <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> 2011/4/25 Brandon Casci <[email protected]>:
> >> >>> >>>>> > Right now we have a trunk version in place. I'm not sure of
> >> >>> >>>>> > the
> >> >>> >>>>> > version. I
> >> >>> >>>>> > will check, it's from withing the last 3 months though.
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Ok. Also, what input format are you clients using? ogg/vorbis?
> >> >>> >>>>> mp3?
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> > I was not aware of logging specific to the input harbor. Can
> >> >>> >>>>> > please
> >> >>> >>>>> > you
> >> >>> >>>>> > point me to the docs?
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Well, just add:
> >> >>> >>>>> logfile="/tmp/buffer.log"
> >> >>> >>>>> to the arguments of input.harbor, and send me/us the file
> after
> >> >>> >>>>> you
> >> >>> >>>>> have observed some disconnections..
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> > The logs currently don't show network activity, just
> switching
> >> >>> >>>>> > between
> >> >>> >>>>> > sources. Do we need to increase the log level, or would
> this
> >> >>> >>>>> > data
> >> >>> >>>>> > show up
> >> >>> >>>>> > in the input harbor log?
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Yes possibly. You could use
> >> >>> >>>>> set("log.level",5)
> >> >>> >>>>> to see more details..
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> Romain
> >> >>> >>>>>
> >> >>> >>>>> >
> >> >>> >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Romain Beauxis
> >> >>> >>>>> > <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >>>>> > wrote:
> >> >>> >>>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> Hi again,
> >> >>> >>>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> 2011/4/25 Romain Beauxis <[email protected]>:
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > Le 25 avril 2011 15:02, Brandon Casci
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > <[email protected]>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > a
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > écrit :
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Hello
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > Hi Brandon,
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> I have a considerable amount of broadcasters that have
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> issues
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> with
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> streaming
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> to an input harbor. Their broadcast frequently switches
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> between a
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> local
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> source and the input harbor. After a lot of research a
> few
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> of
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> them do
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> have
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> crappy home networks, and bandwidth issues, which
> explains
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> some
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> of the
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> problems. The others seem to have no bandwidth issues,
> but
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> I
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> am
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> wondering if
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Liquidsoap is input harbor more sensitive to network
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> latency
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> than
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Icecast
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> and Shoutcast. So maybe Liquidsoap has a smaller buffer,
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> and
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> is
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> prone
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> to
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> thinking the live broadcast has been disconnected much
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> earlier
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> than
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Shoutcast or Icecast might. Is that a reasonable theory?
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> For
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> now
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> I'm
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> going
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> to test it by having some live stream directly to an
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Icecast
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> server
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> and see
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> if their problems go away.
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > What version of liquidsoap are you using?
> >> >>> >>>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> The reason I am asking this is because I also suspect
> >> >>> >>>>> >> something
> >> >>> >>>>> >> in
> >> >>> >>>>> >> the
> >> >>> >>>>> >> recent versions of liquidsoap.
> >> >>> >>>>> >> One thing you can do to monitor the issue is to use the
> >> >>> >>>>> >> logfile
> >> >>> >>>>> >> parameter of input.harbor. This creates a file which
> contains
> >> >>> >>>>> >> the
> >> >>> >>>>> >> length of the input buffer over time which can be plotted,
> in
> >> >>> >>>>> >> order
> >> >>> >>>>> >> to
> >> >>> >>>>> >> get an idea of what's going on..
> >> >>> >>>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> Also, you should check the logs for messages of the type:
> >> >>> >>>>> >> "No network activity for 1 second(s)."
> >> >>> >>>>> >> If those messages happen a lot and the graph of the input
> >> >>> >>>>> >> buffer
> >> >>> >>>>> >> goes
> >> >>> >>>>> >> to zero, then the problem is on the networking side..
> >> >>> >>>>> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> > Romain
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> --
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> =========================================
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Brandon Casci
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >> Loudcaster
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> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>
> >> >>> >>>>> >> >>
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