I'm ready to drop it because it's really not that big a deal, but I
want to add that though I haven't used Chessbase for a couple years
now, I don't remember this being a problem there. Chessbase thought
about what users want, and got this part right.

On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 7:47 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does the order that we learn something have anything to do with
> this? Whenever I do a SQL query where I need to see the latest few
> rows, I do order by time desc, and when I open my games list, I want
> the latest one at the top, not the bottom. I don't care about the game
> I played 2 years ago when I started recording my games. I don't know
> about any standards to have old stuff be shown to you as more
> important.
>
> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 5:58 PM,
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>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Scidvspc-users Digest, Vol 41, Issue 1
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>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open a
>> games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to open
>> with the most recent games on top?
>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net>
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>>>    1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>    2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>    3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
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>>> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>> From: Steve A <stevena...@gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>,         scidvspc-users
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>>> Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>> (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>> If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>> sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>> shown.
>>> See the sort help topics.
>>>
>>> Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>> last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>
>>> S.A.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> > list to be date desc?
>>> >
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>>> Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>> From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
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>>> That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>> descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>> feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>> can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> > list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>> From: Valente Silva <gu...@netcabo.pt>
>>> Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>> To: scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
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>>> Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>> descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list, then
>>> up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>
>>> On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>> > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>> > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>> > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>> > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>> >> list to be date desc?
>>> >
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>> Ascending is the standard for databases, ever was. For some reason we
>> learned the alphabet like a-b-c and the numeric system like 1-2-3.
>>
>> On 04-05-2015 15:55, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>
>>> It's a matter of defaults. Maybe I'm alone in this, but when you open
>>> a games file, say your pgn of blitz games online, don't you want it to
>>> open with the most recent games on top?
>>>
>>> On May 4, 2015 8:00 AM, <scidvspc-users-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net
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>>>        1. Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>        2. Re: Game list default ordering (Steve A)
>>>        3. Re: Game list default ordering (Maksim Grinman)
>>>        4. Re: Game list default ordering (Valente Silva)
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>>>     Message: 1
>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 14:45:57 -0400
>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>
>>>     Subject: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
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>>>     Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
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>>>     Message: 2
>>>     Date: Mon, 4 May 2015 06:51:47 +1000
>>>     From: Steve A <stevena...@gmail.com <mailto:stevena...@gmail.com>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>,
>>>            scidvspc-users
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>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>
>>>     Once a database is sorted, it is always that way.
>>>     (Though this does not apply to pgn files or read-only databases).
>>>     If you sort by date, after re-opening the database it will still be
>>>     sorted, but the little triangle on the date column heading will not be
>>>     shown.
>>>     See the sort help topics.
>>>
>>>     Alternatively , you may also wish to set a database to autoload the
>>>     last game (Maintenance window->Autoload game)
>>>
>>>     S.A.
>>>
>>>     On Mon, May 4, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>     >
>>>     >
>>>     
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>     Physical-Virtual-Cloud
>>>     > Widest out-of-the-box monitoring support with 50+ applications
>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
>>>     Insights
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>>>     Message: 3
>>>     Date: Sun, 3 May 2015 18:28:45 -0400
>>>     From: Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
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>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
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>>>     That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default sorted
>>>     descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>     feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code where I
>>>     can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>
>>>     On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman <maxc...@gmail.com
>>>     <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     > Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     > list to be date desc?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>>     Message: 4
>>>     Date: Mon, 04 May 2015 00:41:31 +0100
>>>     From: Valente Silva <gu...@netcabo.pt <mailto:gu...@netcabo.pt>>
>>>     Subject: Re: [Scidvspc-users] Game list default ordering
>>>     To: scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
>>>     <mailto:scidvspc-users@lists.sourceforge.net>
>>>     Message-ID: <5546b22b.8060...@netcabo.pt
>>>     <mailto:5546b22b.8060...@netcabo.pt>>
>>>     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>>     Click on top of the date column and you can sort it ascending or
>>>     descending. Or type Control+End and you go to the end of the list,
>>>     then
>>>     up... I don't see the need to get more than this.
>>>
>>>     On 03-05-2015 23:28, Maksim Grinman wrote:
>>>     > That works well, but I was hoping for a way to keep the default
>>>     sorted
>>>     > descending (latest at the top) rather than oldest first. If it's a
>>>     > feature worth adding, maybe point me to the place in the code
>>>     where I
>>>     > can look? I'm might tinker with it (not familiar with the codebase).
>>>     >
>>>     > On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Maksim Grinman
>>>     <maxc...@gmail.com <mailto:maxc...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>     >> Is there a way to specify the default ordering of newly opened game
>>>     >> list to be date desc?
>>>     >
>>>     
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>     > Performance metrics, stats and reports that give you Actionable
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