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I couldn't agree with you more Ted.  I was just going to sit and watch the 
conversation.  But, it's time to jump in.  If any thing SOHK (School Of Hard 
Knocks) is the only cert I've ever needed.  If I'm going to spend money or 
have my company spend money on training I'd look into something like Pine 
Mountain Group training www.pmg.com.   Which is true network troubleshooting.  
We've purchased their training cd's and these sessions are amazing.  They 
push getting back to fundamentals and take troubleshooting to a defined 
approach.  I think that "being certified" has gone a little far.  I know 
people who still talk about being Netware certified.  Anyone can take a test, 
but it's putting that knowledge to use 6 months after that test has come and 
gone.  


Mike



On Tuesday 30 December 2003 14:02, Ted Kat. wrote:
> I was under the impression that certs are a joke (unless your a M$ OEM)
> A number of people in the biz, both the high ups and low level, have
> toldme that any MCSE || MCSA certs don't prove anything more than you
> can point and click. Not to put down anyone who has those certs as I
> too have the work sheets and books for the Server certs.
>
> I have come to realize that experience working with the Open Source
> community caries more weight than any cert.(unless it was some
> elitist certification where there are only three people who
> could pass it)
>
> I would love to be proved wrong. So that I could get as many as
> possible
> and finally get a good job.
>
>
>
> =====
> Ted Katseres
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