Well as I kinda replied to Mark towards the start of this thread almost anyone who is more than a beginner in computers can get certs in A+. Most of the other certs that are around are just proof that you can take tests and study well. I've seen some people that car certified in all sorts of things that couldn't do a job if their life depended on it and on the other side seen people with out any certs that can do about anything. Unfortunately with the way the local job market is and Hr's being what they are and everything else considered the certs are the ones that get hired right, wrong, or indifferent. Certs do show that you can be trained and that you can take some training and it don't automatically exclude you from knowing things or even that you don't, but I will say that not having many certs will exclude you from some jobs simply because the people that know don't have the final say in who gets the job. Seems like there has to be some sort of final measurement for what the job candidate should know to get the job and certs have elbowed their way into that now. There are a lot of certs out there looking for work and it does show that they at least knew something at one time. There now I can at least partially put away the soapbox till the next time. Rob
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike Schieuer Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 4:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [sclug-generallist] certs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I couldn't agree with you more Ted. I was just going to sit and watch the conversation. But, it's time to jump in. If any thing SOHK (School Of Hard Knocks) is the only cert I've ever needed. If I'm going to spend money or have my company spend money on training I'd look into something like Pine Mountain Group training www.pmg.com. Which is true network troubleshooting. We've purchased their training cd's and these sessions are amazing. They push getting back to fundamentals and take troubleshooting to a defined approach. I think that "being certified" has gone a little far. I know people who still talk about being Netware certified. Anyone can take a test, but it's putting that knowledge to use 6 months after that test has come and gone. Mike On Tuesday 30 December 2003 14:02, Ted Kat. wrote: > I was under the impression that certs are a joke (unless your a M$ OEM) > A number of people in the biz, both the high ups and low level, have > toldme that any MCSE || MCSA certs don't prove anything more than you > can point and click. Not to put down anyone who has those certs as I > too have the work sheets and books for the Server certs. > > I have come to realize that experience working with the Open Source > community caries more weight than any cert.(unless it was some > elitist certification where there are only three people who > could pass it) > > I would love to be proved wrong. So that I could get as many as > possible > and finally get a good job. > > > > ===== > Ted Katseres > > ------------------------------------------------ > ------ C , C++, Java or Cobol ------- > ------ Linux doesn't care ------------- > ------------------------------------------------ > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003 > http://search.yahoo.com/top2003 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/8fe/mUFtrUUciv4RAumAAJ40PPrkbzUSRMov4OWOBKmUJoH0OQCffyjk Ree8F/q+zaIkpmAQFwGkR3s= =QQD8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
