I agree it's far fewer than 22 files. -----Original Message----- From: Scripting [mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf Of Doug Lee via Scripting Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:32 PM To: Tom Kingston; Window-Eyes Scripting List Subject: Re: migrating apps
Speaking as a professional JAWS scripter, I admit I'm surprised to hear you needed 22 files for what sounds like a simple script. Typically you would have these: - A jss file, which compiles to a jsb file, for the code itself. We'll count that as two. You type your code into the jss file and the JAWS Script Manager makes the jsb file when you compile it. - A jsd file for the help text for the scripts. Handled automatically by the JAWS Script Manager in many cases. - A jkm file for key mappings. Handled automatically by the Script Manager in many cases. You may also include a jcf file for configuration options and/or a jdf file for dictionary entries, though I doubt your script set for Window-Eyes had the latter. If you want to name graphic icons, you could use a jgf file. Frames, though rarely used these days, would involve a jff and a jfd file; but again, I doubt those would be involved in your project. I'm still a ways from 22. :-) On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 04:20:46PM -0400, Tom Kingston via Scripting wrote: JAWS scripting is a proprietary mish mash of this that the other and his brother. So there's no such thing as real world resources such as with Python. I wrote the Window-Eyes script for Reaper and was then surprised to find that the JAWS script was not locked up. So I downloaded it and took a quick look. I couldn't believe that what I did in one small VBS file, an XML file, a set file, and a we file required 22 files to be done in JAWS. Needless to say, I have no interest in learning a proprietary scripting method. And I suspect it will probably seem nonsensical to a real programmer's mind. But that's just speculation. It comes from an experience years ago when a friend of mine wanted to learn JAWS scripting. Knowing nothing about it I assumed that at least the common denominators of virtually all programming languages would apply. Boy was I wrong. My understanding is that it has become at least somewhat more conventional. But unless all else fails it's not a mess I wish to drown in. Regards, Tom On 5/30/2017 10:54 AM, Dennis Long via Scripting wrote: > What about scripting for Jaws? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scripting > [mailto:scripting-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail....@lists.window-eyes.com] > On Behalf Of Jonathan Cohn via Scripting > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:53 AM > To: Chip Orange; Window-Eyes Scripting List > Subject: Re: migrating apps > > Mr Lee of NVAccess / NVDA proposed on twitter yesterday having a one > day class on scripting NVDA. I guess it is time to learn Python. > Anybody interested in doing a set of regular discussions like Chip did > way back to migrate our common knowledge into NVDA scripting > knowledge? I wonder how difficult it would be to have an NVDA that > emulates the favorite parts of WindowEyes. I expect the hardest part > considering that NVDA doesn't appear to have a virtual mode would be > the User Windows functions but then it seems that WindowEyes wasn't supporting that very aggressively. > > Best Wishes, > > Jonathan Cohn > > On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:01 PM Chip Orange via Scripting < > scripting@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote: > > > Hi David, > > > > You could look at the possibility of running your app as a Windows > > VBScript rather than a Window-Eyes VBScript. You'd have to do > > without the WE dialogs and all the other WE features of scripting > > which we all used, but if you don't make use of these features very > > much, you might be able to get a Windows VBScript version to run. > > If you could, this would be the easiest way to get some apps converted away from WE. > > > > VBScript does have some very basic input and output commands (you > > can display a dialog and get a string response from the user), this > > could possibly be enough for your needs. It has no equivalents to > > MSAA or Windows etc., so nothing which assisted you with > > accessibility is likely to run. > > > > Of course, Window-Eyes will continue to run for some indefinite > > amount of time ... and I'd be glad to share the source code to > > Remind Me Where with anyone who'd like to try tinkering with it while it does. > > If you wanted to keep something big like it is running, I would > > guess learning VB.net might be the closest to what you're used to. > > > > Like Richard, I feel something like the end of Animal Farm as well. > > > > Take care, > > > > Chip > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scripting > > [mailto:scripting-bounces+lists3717=comcast....@lists.window-eyes.co > > m] > > On Behalf Of David via Scripting > > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 11:49 AM > > To: Aaron Smith; Window-Eyes Scripting List > > Subject: migrating apps > > > > I do understand that an app that has been developed under the great > > scripting capability of WineEyes, will not be possible to simply > > plug in under Jaws. At least, it is my understanding, that Jaws has > > its own dedicated scripting system. > > > > Still, a number of apps, both officially released and many that I > > have developed for my personal usage, would be a great miss when migrating. > > Whenever the migrating will be. Smile. > > > > Now, is there a way for me, to make my apps become stand-alone, in > > the sense that they could be run under any screen reader? That they > > still would be using features like the UI capabilities and other > > functionality of for instance GWToolkit? I do understand, that apps > > that make great usage of, or directly works with internal features > > of WinEyes, may not be possible to run under any other screen > > readers, since they won't have any functionality to hook on to. But > > an app like for instance the "remind me where", that Chip Orange > > developed, and which base its main functionality on information from > > the net, and greatly on the UI environment of WinEyes scripting, > > sould such a program be possible to make go general? Sure I could > > have thought of a good number of other apps that I have come to rely > > on, and which would have been great to see under other screen readers. > > > > Guess my basic question is, what would I need to do in my app code, > > to make it possible to run outside the WinEyes environment, if that > > is at all possible? 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