Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?

[Brandon Yuchasz]

Matt,
Thanks for the idea. We actually have turned all the RF visible FSK off. 
Unfortunately there was no change with the 450i performance. 

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:36 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?

> In response to you and George. Yes I am on a 7mhx channel. Co located 
> with FSK. We froze the conversion for now from FSK to the 450i because 
> of the concerns we had with the uplink and control slots needed. 
> Obviously if we got rid of the FSK or did a lot of configuration 
> changes network wide on FSK we could add more control slots to as 
> George said to try and increase the ability of the SM to get its 
> download scheduled. When we hit peak times that’s exactly what we are 
> running into is the download isn’t always getting scheduled.

Have you tried shutting down all the FSK gear for say a quick reboot using SNMP 
and seeing if the 450i link tests made an improvement during that time?  It 
would tell you what you could be looking at when you make the full transition 
to 450 gear.  Maybe some of your problems are from FSK noise yet despite being 
synced.


>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 3:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
>
>
>
> what channel size are you using?  if you are at 7mhz or 10mhz then the 
> utilization and throughput you mentioned is in line with what i would 
> expect.  if you are on a 20mhz channel then something is wrong or your 
> noise environment is just bad.
>
>
>
> what modulation rates are the SMs running?  if you have a lot of 1X or 
> 2X SMs then you'll drag down the whole AP
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> 
> wrote:
>
> Its good ( kinda) to see we are not the only ones that are running 
> into the frame utilization issues with the upload on to the AP. Once 
> we got to around 20sm we started to see the top of what we could do 
> with an AP. For those of you that are seeing noise at the AP side but 
> not at the SM side are you seeing >80% upload in your link tests? If 
> so are you finding the same load of around 20 SM to be the top where 
> you hit full frame utilization at peak times?  I see our AP's moving 
> around 30mbps aggregated at peak times never more it seems to be topped out.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:44 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
>
> Like everything with 900, you probably have to just try it.
>
> What's clearer is that if most of your FSK subs are at 2X, then moving 
> to 450i will probably net you a big capacity increase, you will be 
> back in the real broadband business.
>
> But with a marginal signal level and lots of interference, it's hard 
> to predict.  It will give you some extra tools, like 5, 7 and 10 MHz 
> channel widths.  And my (limited)  experience was yes we got better 
> throughput and fewer losses of registration.
>
> You do have to realize that with a 17 dBi CPE antenna and probably 
> running full xmt power, you are probably over the 36 dBm EIRP limit by 
> at least 6 dB in the upstream direction.  So do you use the KP 17.5 
> dBi yagi but tell the SM it only has a 10 or 12 dBi antenna?  From 
> your numbers, I think you're going to have to.  Unless you have one of 
> those situations where a wider beam to illuminate more foliage would actually 
> perform better.
>
> It you're going to try it, now's the time with the promotion.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 11:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
>
> I'm curious how the conversion from the legacy 900 gear to the 450i is.
> For example, if we have a customer with a -75 with a 17 db yagi on the 
> old stuff but is having problems due to interference will we be able 
> to salvage them with the 450i 900 gear?
>
> Dave wrote:
>> George,
>>  Myself and another ISP here in Arkansas have been using the new 450i
>> 900 gear and for what its worth we have been amazed at some of the 
>> penetration and numbers we able to see.
>>  Using KP sectors and yagis is the ticket.
>> We have been able to increase marginal shots in upwards of 10+ points 
>> or more.
>>
>> The only gotcha I have with the stuff is the number of clients that 
>> can be sustained on an AP.
>> Which all revolves around Frame Utilization. We have been ok with 
>> about 20 subs with a 5x5 sustained rate package.
>> I am sure you could squeeze more by tweaking the sustained and burst.
>> I used the Capacity planner cambium has for this and it was really 
>> close for what we 

[AFMUG] OT: Organized Pseudolegal commercial arguments

[Eric Kuhnke]

Have any of you ever encountered these "freemen on the land" nutjobs?

For reference:
http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.pdf

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[George Skorup]

From what he told me today, yes, and the new integrated sector was 
pretty much a replacement. And I did ask if they listened to us about 
null fill for their in-house developed antennas. Yup, just like the 
Laird's. I'm really impressed with the compactness. It does have a bit 
of heft from the internal shielding to get that good f/b, but it's not 
bad at all. The mounts are definitely lighter compared to the Laird, but 
look and feel solid.


On 9/28/2016 9:17 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Is that the panel that Matt said wasn’t for frequency reuse because it 
didn’t have the F/B or sidelobe performance? More for sticking on a 
rooftop to hit a few business customers?


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:22 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

I was looking at radio porn all day at Cambium HQ. Medusa is sexy. The 
radio, not the freak, I mean Greek chick.


And did anyone know that there's a new 5GHz 450i 90 degree integrated 
sector? I'm not talking about the one that has not-so-good f/b ratio 
(which Matt said is not being sold anymore, for good reason). There's 
a new Cambium home-grown -3dB 90 with a 450i AP slapped on the back of 
it. No coax to weather-seal! And same price as a connectorized 450 or 
450i AP + external sector. I had no idea it existed. Coming in 3GHz 
later too. Take out of box and install. I love it.


On 9/28/2016 4:02 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Wireless Administrator" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless
Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy
sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they
brought you
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the
passengers
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the
hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf 

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Jason Wilson]

I have been using market broadband proximity mailing. Provide them with
your coverage area and they send cards to your folks in your coverage area
only. Send them the clients you install and they send to the area around
your install.

I can send contact information off list.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson"  wrote:

> Making some right now, remind me again in a week and I should have proof.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:39 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?
>
> Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are
> willing to share?
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Sterling Jacobson]

Making some right now, remind me again in a week and I should have proof.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are willing to 
share? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Ken Hohhof]

Is that the panel that Matt said wasn’t for frequency reuse because it didn’t 
have the F/B or sidelobe performance?  More for sticking on a rooftop to hit a 
few business customers?

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:22 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

I was looking at radio porn all day at Cambium HQ. Medusa is sexy. The radio, 
not the freak, I mean Greek chick.

And did anyone know that there's a new 5GHz 450i 90 degree integrated sector? 
I'm not talking about the one that has not-so-good f/b ratio (which Matt said 
is not being sold anymore, for good reason). There's a new Cambium home-grown 
-3dB 90 with a 450i AP slapped on the back of it. No coax to weather-seal! And 
same price as a connectorized 450 or 450i AP + external sector. I had no idea 
it existed. Coming in 3GHz later too. Take out of box and install. I love it.

On 9/28/2016 4:02 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





  _  


From: "Wireless Administrator"  >
To: af@afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com   
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[George Skorup]

You missed an e500 raffle. I didn't win one. :(

On 9/28/2016 8:23 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

Oh yeah, that was today. I've been too busy.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 





*From: *"George Skorup" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:21:30 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

I was looking at radio porn all day at Cambium HQ. Medusa is sexy. The 
radio, not the freak, I mean Greek chick.


And did anyone know that there's a new 5GHz 450i 90 degree integrated 
sector? I'm not talking about the one that has not-so-good f/b ratio 
(which Matt said is not being sold anymore, for good reason). There's 
a new Cambium home-grown -3dB 90 with a 450i AP slapped on the back of 
it. No coax to weather-seal! And same price as a connectorized 450 or 
450i AP + external sector. I had no idea it existed. Coming in 3GHz 
later too. Take out of box and install. I love it.


On 9/28/2016 4:02 PM, Chris Wright wrote:

First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Wireless Administrator" >
*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless
Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of
ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy
sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they
brought you
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the
passengers
> get out so only the driver would be killed 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Mike Hammett]

Oh yeah, that was today. I've been too busy. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "George Skorup"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 8:21:30 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

I was looking at radio porn all day at Cambium HQ. Medusa is sexy. The radio, 
not the freak, I mean Greek chick. 

And did anyone know that there's a new 5GHz 450i 90 degree integrated sector? 
I'm not talking about the one that has not-so-good f/b ratio (which Matt said 
is not being sold anymore, for good reason). There's a new Cambium home-grown 
-3dB 90 with a 450i AP slapped on the back of it. No coax to weather-seal! And 
same price as a connectorized 450 or 450i AP + external sector. I had no idea 
it existed. Coming in 3GHz later too. Take out of box and install. I love it. 


On 9/28/2016 4:02 PM, Chris Wright wrote: 




First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know. 


Chris Wright 
Network Administrator 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 


Sex with Chuck and what else? 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -


From: "Wireless Administrator" < wirel...@htn.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

OK, I got it now! You're Mormon.. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

You must not be doin' it right... 

-Original Message- 
From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex. 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat 
to the next tree 

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote: 
> I have the machine for you ,, 
> 
> Timbersled 
> 
> Problem Solved!!! 
> 
> I�d be on tower service calls every day. 
> 
> Steve B 
> 
> *From:*Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus. At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill. 
> 
> *From:*Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com < mailto:af@afmug.com > 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time. 
> 
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Travis 
> 
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA 
> 
> � 
> 
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO* 
> 
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* 
> 
> *602-426-0542* 
> 
> *r...@triadwireless.net < mailto:r...@triadwireless.net >* 
> 
> *www.triadwireless.net < http://www.triadwireless.net/ >* 
> 
> *�* 
> 
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� � 
> Yogi Berra 
> 
> � 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[George Skorup]

I was looking at radio porn all day at Cambium HQ. Medusa is sexy. The 
radio, not the freak, I mean Greek chick.


And did anyone know that there's a new 5GHz 450i 90 degree integrated 
sector? I'm not talking about the one that has not-so-good f/b ratio 
(which Matt said is not being sold anymore, for good reason). There's a 
new Cambium home-grown -3dB 90 with a 450i AP slapped on the back of it. 
No coax to weather-seal! And same price as a connectorized 450 or 450i 
AP + external sector. I had no idea it existed. Coming in 3GHz later 
too. Take out of box and install. I love it.


On 9/28/2016 4:02 PM, Chris Wright wrote:


First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know.

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Wireless Administrator" >

*To: *af@afmug.com 
*Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 


Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the 
winch.

>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net  

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Joe Novak]

The only time I had stuff go flying is when I took the work van into the
ditch due to black ice on hwy 39. The old Astro vans at that time had the
cage behind the seats but the mid section/door removed.

Stuff really goes when you hit the snow filled ditch at 65. I honestly had
very little reason to believe conditions where bad... it was a sunny day
but frosty. Maybe 5 degrees out. The snow from the ditches was blowing out
into the road way (not very obviously).

The wind took the back of the van and "redirected" me into the ditch. Astro
vans do not have much weight in the rear and the road was a ice sheet.

Can definitely be unexpected. Quite a few of the things in the back ended
up in the front cab. Nothing hit me thankfully.

On Sep 28, 2016 7:12 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Some partitions (e.g. Adrian Steel) are ordered as 3 panels.  I wonder if
> it would be acceptable to just install the side panels and leave out the
> center panel.
>
>
>
> The ones that let you stow a 6 ft stepladder sideways at the bottom are
> clever.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
>
>
>
> I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to
> have an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with
> that.   I suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)
>
>
>
> I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.
> There was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the
> ladder rack off the top.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>
>
> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate
> them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying
> object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.
>
>
>
> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a
> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>
>
>
> Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work
> better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the
> cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has
> been an annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if
> you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.
> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Mike Hammett]

I don't think it's wise to downgrade below shipped firmware. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "Mikrotik Users" , af@afmug.com, 
memb...@wispa.org, "Principal WISPA Member List"  
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:58:27 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros 

Hello all, 


We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4 since 
we have tested and found it the most stable. 


The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having any 
luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some mikrotik forum 
posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software below what it shipped 
with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os didn't ship with the bug 
fix release, but rather the more unstable "current" version. 

Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it 
possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed? 


If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it is now, 
there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug fix release 
since it's lower than 6.35.2 

Any help is appreciated. Thanks 

-- 

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Minnesota WiFi 
www.mnwifi.com 
507-634-WiFi 
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Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Jason McKemie]

I pulled the door out of my van, haven't missed it at all.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Probably be fine.The first couple we did had the center door in the
> panel.   I thought it was cool that you could walk back and forth and I
> liked being able to work inside and get to the tools and equipment when it
> was rainy or cold out.   Of course the installers promptly piled everything
> behind the door and that was the end of that.   Don’t see why you couldn’t
> leave the door out completely.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
> Some partitions (e.g. Adrian Steel) are ordered as 3 panels.  I wonder if
> it would be acceptable to just install the side panels and leave out the
> center panel.
>
> The ones that let you stow a 6 ft stepladder sideways at the bottom are
> clever.
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
>
> I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to
> have an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with
> that.   I suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)
>
> I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.
> There was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the
> ladder rack off the top.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
>
> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate
> them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying
> object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.
>
> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a
> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>
> Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work
> better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the
> cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has
> been an annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if
> you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.
> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Mark Radabaugh]

Probably be fine.The first couple we did had the center door in the panel.  
 I thought it was cool that you could walk back and forth and I liked being 
able to work inside and get to the tools and equipment when it was rainy or 
cold out.   Of course the installers promptly piled everything behind the door 
and that was the end of that.   Don’t see why you couldn’t leave the door out 
completely.

Mark


> On Sep 28, 2016, at 8:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Some partitions (e.g. Adrian Steel) are ordered as 3 panels.  I wonder if it 
> would be acceptable to just install the side panels and leave out the center 
> panel.
>  
> The ones that let you stow a 6 ft stepladder sideways at the bottom are 
> clever.
>  
>   <>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On 
> Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:26 PM
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question
>  
> I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to have 
> an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with that.   I 
> suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)
>  
> I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.  
> There was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the 
> ladder rack off the top.
>  
> Mark
>  
>> On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof > > wrote:
>>  
>> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate 
>> them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying 
>> object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.
>>  
>> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a 
>> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>>  
>> Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work 
>> better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the 
>> cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has 
>> been an annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if you 
>> could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.  That 
>> might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Ken Hohhof]

Some partitions (e.g. Adrian Steel) are ordered as 3 panels.  I wonder if it 
would be acceptable to just install the side panels and leave out the center 
panel.

 

The ones that let you stow a 6 ft stepladder sideways at the bottom are clever.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 6:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

 

I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to have 
an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with that.   I 
suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)

 

I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.  There 
was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the ladder 
rack off the top.

 

Mark

 

On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

 

Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate them, 
and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying object from 
the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.

 

I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a backup 
camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.

 

Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work 
better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the cabin 
quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has been an 
annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if you could put 
some shelving units up against the back of the partition.  That might even make 
a van with dual sliding side doors viable.

 

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Eric Kuhnke]

I've always thought their main purpose was for security, I'm guessing
you're not in/near a big city or a place with a lot of drug addicts...  I
usually see partitions on windowless contractor vans that also have locks
like these on the rear and side door:

http://www.americanvan.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/M/L/ML-001_3.jpg

For some of the local dark fiber operators that have field technicians with
advanced OTDRs, DWDM optical spectrum analyers and ribbon fusion splicers
there could easily be $50,000 of equipment and tools in the back of an E250
van.


On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate
> them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying
> object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.
>
>
>
> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a
> backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>
>
>
> Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work
> better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the
> cabin quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has
> been an annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if
> you could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.
> That might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.
>

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Jaime Solorza]

Here you go
https://goo.gl/images/fDrG66

Re: [AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Mark Radabaugh]

I don’t know that there is any legal requirement, but I wouldn’t want to have 
an employee injured in a work van without one and have to deal with that.   I 
suppose in your van you can do what you want :-)

I have had one (ex) employee total a Sprinter in a front end collision.  There 
was a lot of stuff up against the partition.   Just about ripped the ladder 
rack off the top.

Mark

> On Sep 28, 2016, at 7:11 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate 
> them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying 
> object from the cargo area, I can’t recall ever having such a flying object.
>  
> I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a backup 
> camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.
>  
> Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work 
> better if isolated from the cargo space.  I’ve seen claims it makes the cabin 
> quieter, but anytime I’ve driven a van with a partition, there has been an 
> annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if you could 
> put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.  That might 
> even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.

Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Darin Steffl]

Ccr-1009-8g-1s-1s+

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Nathan Anderson  wrote:

> (Holy cross-posting, Batman!)
>
>
>
> It is possible that MT did a board revision, and the newer revision of the
> hardware requires 6.35.2 as minimum for the reasons Josh stated
> (drivers/hardware support, etc.).  However, you could certainly try your
> luck with Netinstall.
>
>
>
> What model of CCR is this?
>
>
>
> -- Nathan
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh
> Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 4:07 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Cc:* Mikrotik Users; memb...@wispa.org
> ; Principal WISPA
> Member List
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros
>
>
>
> Probably a requirement for drivers or the firmware :(
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 7:05 PM, "Darin Steffl"  > wrote:
>
> Looks like the os won't let me go below the factory version according to
> the log file pic I attached.
>
>
>
> Would net install allow me to go to the version we want?
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Darin Steffl  > wrote:
>
> Yes I clicked downgrade already and tried it from the command line.
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Josh Luthman <
> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
> > wrote:
>
> Did you click downgrade?  You don't do this like a normal update.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 6:58 PM, "Darin Steffl"  > wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4
> since we have tested and found it the most stable.
>
>
>
> The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having
> any luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some
> mikrotik forum posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software
> below what it shipped with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os
> didn't ship with the bug fix release, but rather the more unstable
> "current" version.
>
>
>
> Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it
> possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed?
>
>
>
> If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it is
> now, there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug fix
> release since it's lower than 6.35.2
>
>
>
> Any help is appreciated. Thanks
>
> --
>
> Darin Steffl
>
> Minnesota WiFi
>
> www.mnwifi.com
>
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>
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[AFMUG] cargo van partition/bulkhead question

[Ken Hohhof]

Is there any legal or insurance requirement to have one of these?  I hate
them, and while I understand they are to prevent decapitation by a flying
object from the cargo area, I can't recall ever having such a flying object.

 

I like having a rear window on the van for visibility, and even with a
backup camera and sideview mirrors, being able to see out the back is nice.

 

Are there other advantages to them?  I guess the AC and heater might work
better if isolated from the cargo space.  I've seen claims it makes the
cabin quieter, but anytime I've driven a van with a partition, there has
been an annoying rattle from the door to the back.  I could maybe see if you
could put some shelving units up against the back of the partition.  That
might even make a van with dual sliding side doors viable.

Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Nathan Anderson]

(Holy cross-posting, Batman!)

It is possible that MT did a board revision, and the newer revision of the 
hardware requires 6.35.2 as minimum for the reasons Josh stated 
(drivers/hardware support, etc.).  However, you could certainly try your luck 
with Netinstall.

What model of CCR is this?

-- Nathan

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Cc: Mikrotik Users; memb...@wispa.org; Principal WISPA Member List
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros


Probably a requirement for drivers or the firmware :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 28, 2016 7:05 PM, "Darin Steffl" 
> wrote:
Looks like the os won't let me go below the factory version according to the 
log file pic I attached.

Would net install allow me to go to the version we want?

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
Yes I clicked downgrade already and tried it from the command line.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:

Did you click downgrade?  You don't do this like a normal update.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 28, 2016 6:58 PM, "Darin Steffl" 
> wrote:
Hello all,

We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4 since 
we have tested and found it the most stable.

The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having any 
luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some mikrotik forum 
posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software below what it shipped 
with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os didn't ship with the bug 
fix release, but rather the more unstable "current" version.

Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it 
possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed?

If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it is now, 
there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug fix release 
since it's lower than 6.35.2

Any help is appreciated. Thanks

--
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Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Josh Luthman]

Probably a requirement for drivers or the firmware :(

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 28, 2016 7:05 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Looks like the os won't let me go below the factory version according to
> the log file pic I attached.
>
> Would net install allow me to go to the version we want?
>
> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes I clicked downgrade already and tried it from the command line.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Did you click downgrade?  You don't do this like a normal update.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2016 6:58 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:
>>>
 Hello all,

 We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4
 since we have tested and found it the most stable.

 The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having
 any luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some
 mikrotik forum posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software
 below what it shipped with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os
 didn't ship with the bug fix release, but rather the more unstable
 "current" version.

 Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is
 it possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory 
 installed?

 If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it
 is now, there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug
 fix release since it's lower than 6.35.2

 Any help is appreciated. Thanks

 --
 Darin Steffl
 Minnesota WiFi
 www.mnwifi.com
 507-634-WiFi
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Re: [AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Darin Steffl]

Yes I clicked downgrade already and tried it from the command line.

On Wednesday, September 28, 2016, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Did you click downgrade?  You don't do this like a normal update.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Sep 28, 2016 6:58 PM, "Darin Steffl"  > wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4
>> since we have tested and found it the most stable.
>>
>> The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having
>> any luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some
>> mikrotik forum posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software
>> below what it shipped with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os
>> didn't ship with the bug fix release, but rather the more unstable
>> "current" version.
>>
>> Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it
>> possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed?
>>
>> If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it
>> is now, there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug
>> fix release since it's lower than 6.35.2
>>
>> Any help is appreciated. Thanks
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep.. I watch it on Sundays on MeTV

On Sep 28, 2016 4:58 PM, "Ken Hohhof"  wrote:

> Do you mean as in "Bang, zoom, you're going to the moon, Alice"?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:06 PM
> To: Motorola III 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars
>
> Hopefully soon enough?
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/28/2016 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > I would like to see a few choice folks go to Mars Not too soon.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA Members] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Josh Luthman]

Did you click downgrade?  You don't do this like a normal update.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Sep 28, 2016 6:58 PM, "Darin Steffl"  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4
> since we have tested and found it the most stable.
>
> The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having
> any luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some
> mikrotik forum posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software
> below what it shipped with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os
> didn't ship with the bug fix release, but rather the more unstable
> "current" version.
>
> Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it
> possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed?
>
> If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it is
> now, there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug fix
> release since it's lower than 6.35.2
>
> Any help is appreciated. Thanks
>
> --
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> Minnesota WiFi
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> 507-634-WiFi
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[AFMUG] Can't downgrade mikrotik routeros

[Darin Steffl]

Hello all,

We are trying to install our normal mikrotik os version which is 6.32.4
since we have tested and found it the most stable.

The latest ccr router we received has 6.35.2 on it and we're not having any
luck getting it to downgrade to the stable bug fix version. Some mikrotik
forum posts say that you're not able to downgrade the software below what
it shipped with. I find this doesn't make sense because the os didn't ship
with the bug fix release, but rather the more unstable "current" version.

Any advice how to downgrade when the normal procedure doesn't work? Is it
possible to downgrade to a version lower than what the factory installed?

If not, would net install work to force the version we want? The way it is
now, there's not even a possible way to install the latest 6.34.6 bug fix
release since it's lower than 6.35.2

Any help is appreciated. Thanks

-- 
Darin Steffl
Minnesota WiFi
www.mnwifi.com
507-634-WiFi
 Like us on Facebook

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Ken Hohhof]

Do you mean as in "Bang, zoom, you're going to the moon, Alice"?

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

Hopefully soon enough?


bp


On 9/28/2016 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> I would like to see a few choice folks go to Mars Not too soon.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Bill Prince]

Hopefully soon enough?


bp


On 9/28/2016 2:40 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> I would like to see a few choice folks go to Mars Not too soon.

Re: [AFMUG] Billing system survey rehash

[Bill Prince]

Might just be that Simon had a pretty impressive salary.

IDK,JS


bp



On 9/27/2016 9:27 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

personal thoughts?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Jaime Solorza]

I would like to see a few choice folks go to Mars Not too soon.

On Sep 28, 2016 3:30 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" 
wrote:

> I was thinking the same thing!
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chris Wright
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:59 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars
>
>
>
> He certainly didn’t let me down, but those inane questions from audience
> members certainly did. Makes me want to leave this planet even more.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Craig Schmaderer
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:29 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg=youtu.be
>
>
>
> I have waited over a year for this speech.  I hope he doesn’t let us down.
>
>
>
> *Craig R. Schmaderer*
>
> *CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.*
>
> *Ph: 402-372-1975 <402-372-1975> | Fax: 402-372-1058 <402-372-1058>*
>
> *Direct: 402-372-1052 <402-372-1052>*
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Craig Schmaderer]

I was thinking the same thing!

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chris Wright
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

He certainly didn't let me down, but those inane questions from audience 
members certainly did. Makes me want to leave this planet even more.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg=youtu.be

I have waited over a year for this speech.  I hope he doesn't let us down.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Chris Wright]

First post I read in this thread. I don’t think I want to know.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Sex with Chuck and what else?


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From: "Wireless Administrator" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net 
> *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[Carlos Alcantar]

you need to get the consumer connect product from calix for it to be worth it.  
It's the management portion that really makes it shine.


​
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Race Communications / Race Team Member
1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010
Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com



From: Af  on behalf of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:22:01 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

Well it works with the E7 GPON card on the other end.
So yeah, you kinda gotta be a Calex using company to make the G version work.

The E version will work on anything but you will only get all the nice things 
if you are setup with Calix to make use of the whole suite of features.

From: James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

I thought the 844G was the gpon version.  So you can’t get the software for 
them unless you’re setup to buy them directly from Calix?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

Its only feature rich with the software Calix gives you. Just selling you a 
router is just sending you a router with a fiber gpon interface.

Doesn’t do any good without the horse. If you talk to Calix they’ll help you 
understand the hardware and let you try stuff out. No reason to even buy it 
from someone. I’ve been happy with the support they’ve given and how much 
they’ve helped us every step of the way.



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don’t want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don’t end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

What about the Timbersled mentioned earlier in the thread?  As soon as I 
mentioned SEX the thread went down the toilet.

 

Steve B.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:58 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Yuk... I should have slept longer... Where is my eye and memory wash? 

 

On Sep 28, 2016 1:34 PM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

Ouch,

 

This K.D. Lang

 

 



 

I thought we were friends.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...

 

From: Wireless Administrator 

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend 
friend?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
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From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Bill Prince]

Thought she was not particularly interested in guys...


bp


On 9/28/2016 12:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Jaime Solorza]

Yuk... I should have slept longer... Where is my eye and memory wash?

On Sep 28, 2016 1:34 PM, "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:

> Ouch,
>
>
>
> This K.D. Lang
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I thought we were friends.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:27 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
>
>
> Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...
>
>
>
> *From:* Wireless Administrator
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
>
>
> He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend
> friend?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
>
>
> Sex with Chuck and what else?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Wireless Administrator" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> You must not be doin' it right...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf
> Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
> to the next tree
>
> On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> > I have the machine for you ,,
> >
> > Timbersled
> >
> > Problem Solved!!!
> >
> > I�d be on tower service calls every day.
> >
> > Steve B
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> > kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
> > in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> > sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
> > get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com >
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
> > to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
> > on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
> > "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
> > normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
> > fresh snow at the same time.
> >
> > Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
> > side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
> > Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
> > took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Travis
> >
> > On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
> >
> > �
> >
> > *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
> >
> > *4226 S. 37^th 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

Ouch,

 

This K.D. Lang

 

 

 

 

I thought we were friends.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:27 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...

 

From: Wireless Administrator 

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend 
friend?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>



 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Jaime Solorza]

Wow... See what happens when I sleep for a few hours during the day.   I
miss all this.

On Sep 28, 2016 1:26 PM,  wrote:

> Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...
>
> *From:* Wireless Administrator
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
>
> He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend
> friend?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
>
>
> Sex with Chuck and what else?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Wireless Administrator" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> You must not be doin' it right...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
> to the next tree
>
> On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> > I have the machine for you ,,
> >
> > Timbersled
> >
> > Problem Solved!!!
> >
> > I�d be on tower service calls every day.
> >
> > Steve B
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> > kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
> > in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> > sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
> > get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
> > to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
> > on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
> > "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
> > normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
> > fresh snow at the same time.
> >
> > Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
> > side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
> > Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
> > took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Travis
> >
> > On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
> >
> > �
> >
> > *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
> >
> > *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
> >
> > *602-426-0542*
> >
> > *r...@triadwireless.net *
> >
> > *www.triadwireless.net *
> >
> > *�*
> >
> > �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> > Yogi Berra
> >
> > �
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[chuck]

Fix you right up with K.D. Lang...

From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend 
friend?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>




 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

He’s not my type but does he have a sister and does she have a girlfriend 
friend?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 3:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

 

Sex with Chuck and what else?



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 




  _  

From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>




 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Mike Hammett]

Well he did say two things. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:16:00 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 




Like that’s not enough? 




From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 


Sex with Chuck and what else? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Wireless Administrator"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

OK, I got it now! You're Mormon.. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

You must not be doin' it right... 

-Original Message- 
From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex. 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat 
to the next tree 

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote: 
> I have the machine for you ,, 
> 
> Timbersled 
> 
> Problem Solved!!! 
> 
> I�d be on tower service calls every day. 
> 
> Steve B 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus. At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill. 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time. 
> 
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Travis 
> 
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA 
> 
> � 
> 
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO* 
> 
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* 
> 
> *602-426-0542* 
> 
> *r...@triadwireless.net * 
> 
> *www.triadwireless.net * 
> 
> *�* 
> 
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� � 
> Yogi Berra 
> 
> � 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[chuck]

Well it works with the E7 GPON card on the other end.  
So yeah, you kinda gotta be a Calex using company to make the G version work.

The E version will work on anything but you will only get all the nice things 
if you are setup with Calix to make use of the whole suite of features.

From: James Howard 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

I thought the 844G was the gpon version.  So you can’t get the software for 
them unless you’re setup to buy them directly from Calix?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

 

Its only feature rich with the software Calix gives you. Just selling you a 
router is just sending you a router with a fiber gpon interface.

 

Doesn’t do any good without the horse. If you talk to Calix they’ll help you 
understand the hardware and let you try stuff out. No reason to even buy it 
from someone. I’ve been happy with the support they’ve given and how much 
they’ve helped us every step of the way. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

 

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don’t want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don’t end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.  

 

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

 

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LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[James Howard]

I thought the 844G was the gpon version.  So you can't get the software for 
them unless you're setup to buy them directly from Calix?

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andy Trimmell
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

Its only feature rich with the software Calix gives you. Just selling you a 
router is just sending you a router with a fiber gpon interface.

Doesn't do any good without the horse. If you talk to Calix they'll help you 
understand the hardware and let you try stuff out. No reason to even buy it 
from someone. I've been happy with the support they've given and how much 
they've helped us every step of the way.



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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don't want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don't end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

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LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.


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Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Josh Reynolds]

Giggity giggity goo!

On Sep 28, 2016 2:16 PM,  wrote:

> Like that’s not enough?
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Sex with Chuck and what else?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Wireless Administrator" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> You must not be doin' it right...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Wireless Administrator
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
> to the next tree
>
> On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> > I have the machine for you ,,
> >
> > Timbersled
> >
> > Problem Solved!!!
> >
> > I�d be on tower service calls every day.
> >
> > Steve B
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
> > kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
> > in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
> > sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
> > get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
> >
> > *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> > *To:* af@afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
> >
> > They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
> > to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
> > on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
> > "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
> > normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
> > fresh snow at the same time.
> >
> > Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
> > side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
> > Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
> > took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Travis
> >
> > On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
> >
> > �
> >
> > *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
> >
> > *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
> >
> > *602-426-0542*
> >
> > *r...@triadwireless.net *
> >
> > *www.triadwireless.net *
> >
> > *�*
> >
> > �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> > Yogi Berra
> >
> > �
> >
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[chuck]

Like that’s not enough?

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:09 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Sex with Chuck and what else?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Wireless Administrator" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Mike Hammett]

Sex with Chuck and what else? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Wireless Administrator"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 1:23:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

OK, I got it now! You're Mormon.. 

Steve 

-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

You must not be doin' it right... 

-Original Message- 
From: Wireless Administrator 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex. 


-Original Message- 
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews 
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat 
to the next tree 

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote: 
> I have the machine for you ,, 
> 
> Timbersled 
> 
> Problem Solved!!! 
> 
> I�d be on tower service calls every day. 
> 
> Steve B 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus. At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill. 
> 
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM 
> *To:* af@afmug.com  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow 
> 
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time. 
> 
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Travis 
> 
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA 
> 
> � 
> 
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO* 
> 
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040* 
> 
> *602-426-0542* 
> 
> *r...@triadwireless.net * 
> 
> *www.triadwireless.net * 
> 
> *�* 
> 
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� � 
> Yogi Berra 
> 
> � 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[Andy Trimmell]

Its only feature rich with the software Calix gives you. Just selling
you a router is just sending you a router with a fiber gpon interface.

 

Doesn't do any good without the horse. If you talk to Calix they'll help
you understand the hardware and let you try stuff out. No reason to even
buy it from someone. I've been happy with the support they've given and
how much they've helped us every step of the way. 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

 

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don't
want to go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don't
end up being something that we want to sell to our customers.  

 

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

 

James Howard

LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

Now I can think of two reasons to move to Utah.

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 2:12 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[chuck]

We are pretty good at some things

-Original Message- 
From: Wireless Administrator

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

I have the machine for you ,,

Timbersled

Problem Solved!!!

I�d be on tower service calls every day.

Steve B

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
"side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
fresh snow at the same time.

Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.




Travis

On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA

�

*Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
Yogi Berra

�

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

OK,  I got it now! You're Mormon..

Steve

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

On Sep 28, 2016 10:58 AM, "Chris Wright"  wrote:

> Looks like your camera found your Tecate stash.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:44 AM
> *To:* Animal Farm
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE
>
>
>
> Installed a Digi LTE WAN router and Help Cloud appliance this am for a
> national auto parts store.   Provides LTE service on one port and T-1 via
> Adtran IAD on other port.  I suspect it provides two paths out to Internet
> for phones and data.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE

[Tim Reichhart]

Must be oreillys that you help setup


-Original Message-
From: "Jaime Solorza" 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 09/28/16 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE


Ha... Didn't use focus button.  Wanna be Critic you 
On Sep 28, 2016 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:
Is that the new iPhone 7 camera?  Looks like it went the way of the headphone 
jack.
 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

Installed a Digi LTE WAN router and Help Cloud appliance this am for a national 
auto parts store.   Provides LTE service on one port and T-1 via Adtran IAD on 
other port.  I suspect it provides two paths out to Internet for phones and 
data.   
 
 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

[Chris Wright]

He certainly didn't let me down, but those inane questions from audience 
members certainly did. Makes me want to leave this planet even more.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Craig Schmaderer
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 11:29 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Elon Musk about to talk about colonizing Mars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1YxNYiyALg=youtu.be

I have waited over a year for this speech.  I hope he doesn't let us down.

Craig R. Schmaderer
CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc.
Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058
Direct: 402-372-1052

Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE

[Chris Wright]

Looks like your camera found your Tecate stash.

Chris Wright
Network Administrator

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:44 AM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE


Installed a Digi LTE WAN router and Help Cloud appliance this am for a national 
auto parts store.   Provides LTE service on one port and T-1 via Adtran IAD on 
other port.  I suspect it provides two paths out to Internet for phones and 
data.

[AFMUG] Calix gigacenter 844E

[James Howard]

So, you guys have said some good things about these routers.  I don't want to 
go through all the trouble getting setup with them if they don't end up being 
something that we want to sell to our customers.

Can one of you guys who use them now just sell me one?

James Howard
LiteWire Internet Services, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE

[Jaime Solorza]

Velo Cloud not Help... Too early for phone..

On Sep 28, 2016 10:45 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
wrote:

> Is that the new iPhone 7 camera?  Looks like it went the way of the
> headphone jack.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jaime Solorza  > wrote:
>
>> Installed a Digi LTE WAN router and Help Cloud appliance this am for a
>> national auto parts store.   Provides LTE service on one port and T-1 via
>> Adtran IAD on other port.  I suspect it provides two paths out to Internet
>> for phones and data.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Well kinda LTE

[Josh Luthman]

Is that the new iPhone 7 camera?  Looks like it went the way of the
headphone jack.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Installed a Digi LTE WAN router and Help Cloud appliance this am for a
> national auto parts store.   Provides LTE service on one port and T-1 via
> Adtran IAD on other port.  I suspect it provides two paths out to Internet
> for phones and data.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting

[Jon Auer]

+1 for the concept.
We use Banana Pi's running Debian for smokeping remotes and iperf. They
have gig ports and have enough CPU to take advantage of them. We started
with rPi's but their Ethernet couldn't keep up.
Costs under $100 for a board, box, and sd card.

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Christopher Tyler  wrote:

> If all you want is something to connect to remotely and don't need an
> actual Windows desktop, you could use a Raspberry Pi Zero with a USB
> Ethernet adapter attached for the whopping sum of about $40. Of course you
> would need -some- linux know how as well unless someone was willing to
> write up a basic interface or test suite for easy consumption. Makes for a
> very inexpensive tap.
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Sean Heskett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:19:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting
>
> this was mentioned on slashdot last week:
> https://www.solid-run.com/product/solidpc-q4-carrier/#configuration
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Gino Villarini 
> wrote:
>
> > What you guys suggest for a remote displayless PC that we can use at
> > remote sites for troubleshooting/remote access via 4g?
> >
> > Case is that sometimes its quicker for our engineers to have remote
> access
> > to equipment via a remote desktop session than going step by step with
> our
> > field techs or tower crews.
> >
> > we just need browser, winbox, terminal
> >
> > lan port should be able to have vlan configured
> >
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

I don't think so!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYCT-qWZz44

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

LOL

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message-
From: Wireless Administrator
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[chuck]

You must not be doin' it right...

-Original Message- 
From: Wireless Administrator

Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:07 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

I have the machine for you ,,

Timbersled

Problem Solved!!!

I�d be on tower service calls every day.

Steve B

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a
sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers
get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are
on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
"side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
fresh snow at the same time.

Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.




Travis

On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA

�

*Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
Yogi Berra

�

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Wireless Administrator]

It's the only machine I know of that's more fun than sex.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 12:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy sno-cat
to the next tree

On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:
> I have the machine for you ,,
>
> Timbersled
>
> Problem Solved!!!
>
> I�d be on tower service calls every day.
>
> Steve B
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the 
> kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you 
> in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a 
> sno-cat with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers 
> get out so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.
>
> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow
>
> They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get 
> to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are 
> on hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to 
> "side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the 
> normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of 
> fresh snow at the same time.
>
> Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and 
> side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line 
> Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still 
> took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.
>
>
>
>
> Travis
>
> On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
>
> �
>
> *Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
> *�*
>
> �The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
> Yogi Berra
>
> �
>

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Robert Andrews]

Looks like a great way to get the tow line for the nice warm comfy 
sno-cat to the next tree


On 09/28/2016 08:51 AM, Wireless Administrator wrote:

I have the machine for you ,,

Timbersled

Problem Solved!!!

I�d be on tower service calls every day.

Steve B

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 11:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

That reminds me of when my wife and I were much younger, before the
kids, and took a winter vacation in Yellowstone where they brought you
in via a Bombardier �snow coach� which is like you crossed a sno-cat
with a bus.  At critical points they would have the passengers get out
so only the driver would be killed if it rolled down the hill.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 28, 2016 10:01 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are on
hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
"side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
fresh snow at the same time.

Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.




Travis

On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA

�

*Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
Yogi Berra

�

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Robert]

Yeah, did you see the vid posted last year of the sno-cat sliding 
sideways down the hill...   Not a fun ride...


On 9/28/16 8:00 AM, Travis Johnson wrote:

They look cool, and would be "fun" to have... but they would never get
to some of the tower sites we had in Idaho. All their demo videos are on
hard pack, wet snow, on flat ground. Often you have to be able to
"side-hill" many of the trails because the snow has drifted over the
normal trail... and sometimes that means driving through 2-3 feet of
fresh snow at the same time.

Here is a picture of a perfect example. That's a 40 degree incline and
side-hill, with about 2 feet of fresh snow. That's a top of the line
Tucker sno-cat (4 tracks) made for this kind of weather, but it still
took us hours to get through this 100 yard section, even using the winch.




Travis


On 9/27/2016 10:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA

�

*Rory Conaway **� Triad Wireless �**CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� � Yogi
Berra

�

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Rory Conaway]

Robert, time to eat a Snickers Bar.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:45 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

Rory,
��� A) do you know something about the weather down in Phx that no one 
else knows?�� Is it going to be "The day after Tomorrow"?
���� B) are you planning on dropping the $25K for these?�� You can 
get a used snow cat and trailer for that...
On 9/27/16 9:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA
�
Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO
4226 S. 37th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net
�
�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� � Yogi Berra
�

[AFMUG] Fiber advertising / mailers?

[Jon Langeler]

Does anyone have any fiber advertising mailers or pamphlets they are willing to 
share? 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow

[Robert]

Nah, just that I have drooled over those for my Jeep for years..   Just 
can't convince myself to pull the trigger...   then there is the point 
that I would need to put them on a trailer to haul them to where I can 
put them on...   But Droooll..


On 9/28/16 7:24 AM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Robert, time to eat a Snickers Bar.

Rory



*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 27, 2016 9:45 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Bring on the snow



Rory,
��� A) do you know something about the weather down in Phx that no
one else knows?�� Is it going to be "The day after Tomorrow"?
���� B) are you planning on dropping the $25K for these?��
You can get a used snow cat and trailer for that...

On 9/27/16 9:05 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tcu04oZWeA

�

*Rory Conaway � Triad Wireless � CEO*

*4226 S. 37^th Street � Phoenix � AZ 85040*

*602-426-0542*

*r...@triadwireless.net *

*www.triadwireless.net *

*�*

�The other teams could make trouble for us if they win.� �
Yogi Berra

�

Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting

[Christopher Tyler]

If all you want is something to connect to remotely and don't need an actual 
Windows desktop, you could use a Raspberry Pi Zero with a USB Ethernet adapter 
attached for the whopping sum of about $40. Of course you would need -some- 
linux know how as well unless someone was willing to write up a basic interface 
or test suite for easy consumption. Makes for a very inexpensive tap.

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: "Sean Heskett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:19:38 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small PC for remote Troubleshooting

this was mentioned on slashdot last week:
https://www.solid-run.com/product/solidpc-q4-carrier/#configuration

-sean


On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:22 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> What you guys suggest for a remote displayless PC that we can use at
> remote sites for troubleshooting/remote access via 4g?
>
> Case is that sometimes its quicker for our engineers to have remote access
> to equipment via a remote desktop session than going step by step with our
> field techs or tower crews.
>
> we just need browser, winbox, terminal
>
> lan port should be able to have vlan configured
>

Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?

[Matt]

> In response to you and George. Yes I am on a 7mhx channel. Co located with
> FSK. We froze the conversion for now from FSK to the 450i because of the
> concerns we had with the uplink and control slots needed. Obviously if we
> got rid of the FSK or did a lot of configuration changes network wide on FSK
> we could add more control slots to as George said to try and increase the
> ability of the SM to get its download scheduled. When we hit peak times
> that’s exactly what we are running into is the download isn’t always getting
> scheduled.

Have you tried shutting down all the FSK gear for say a quick reboot
using SNMP and seeing if the 450i link tests made an improvement
during that time?  It would tell you what you could be looking at when
you make the full transition to 450 gear.  Maybe some of your problems
are from FSK noise yet despite being synced.


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> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 3:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
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> what channel size are you using?  if you are at 7mhz or 10mhz then the
> utilization and throughput you mentioned is in line with what i would
> expect.  if you are on a 20mhz channel then something is wrong or your noise
> environment is just bad.
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> what modulation rates are the SMs running?  if you have a lot of 1X or 2X
> SMs then you'll drag down the whole AP
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> -Sean
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> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Brandon Yuchasz 
> wrote:
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> Its good ( kinda) to see we are not the only ones that are running into the
> frame utilization issues with the upload on to the AP. Once we got to around
> 20sm we started to see the top of what we could do with an AP. For those of
> you that are seeing noise at the AP side but not at the SM side are you
> seeing >80% upload in your link tests? If so are you finding the same load
> of around 20 SM to be the top where you hit full frame utilization at peak
> times?  I see our AP's moving around 30mbps aggregated at peak times never
> more it seems to be topped out.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 12:44 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
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> Like everything with 900, you probably have to just try it.
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> What's clearer is that if most of your FSK subs are at 2X, then moving to
> 450i will probably net you a big capacity increase, you will be back in the
> real broadband business.
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> But with a marginal signal level and lots of interference, it's hard to
> predict.  It will give you some extra tools, like 5, 7 and 10 MHz channel
> widths.  And my (limited)  experience was yes we got better throughput and
> fewer losses of registration.
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> You do have to realize that with a 17 dBi CPE antenna and probably running
> full xmt power, you are probably over the 36 dBm EIRP limit by at least 6 dB
> in the upstream direction.  So do you use the KP 17.5 dBi yagi but tell the
> SM it only has a 10 or 12 dBi antenna?  From your numbers, I think you're
> going to have to.  Unless you have one of those situations where a wider
> beam to illuminate more foliage would actually perform better.
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> It you're going to try it, now's the time with the promotion.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 11:34 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers?
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> I'm curious how the conversion from the legacy 900 gear to the 450i is.
> For example, if we have a customer with a -75 with a 17 db yagi on the old
> stuff but is having problems due to interference will we be able to salvage
> them with the 450i 900 gear?
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> Dave wrote:
>> George,
>>  Myself and another ISP here in Arkansas have been using the new 450i
>> 900 gear and for what its worth we have been amazed at some of the
>> penetration and numbers we able to see.
>>  Using KP sectors and yagis is the ticket.
>> We have been able to increase marginal shots in upwards of 10+ points
>> or more.
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>> The only gotcha I have with the stuff is the number of clients that
>> can be sustained on an AP.
>> Which all revolves around Frame Utilization. We have been ok with
>> about 20 subs with a 5x5 sustained rate package.
>> I am sure you could squeeze more by tweaking the sustained and burst.
>> I used the Capacity planner cambium has for this and it was really
>> close for what we see.
>>  Yes, even through some pine
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>> On 09/24/2016 02:45 PM, George Skorup wrote:
>>> And what happens when the noise floor increases and the eNB can't
>>> hear those shitty CPEs anymore? Nevermind, that question answered itself.
>>>
>>> The boss keeps wanting to try an LTE sector at sites where we have a
>>> mile or more deep trees (where we know 900 FSK barely works now, not
>>> 

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