Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA
Well, Tish, it was just a fluke that enabled me to extract the information and put it into a database. I wanted to know where my uncle had been buried. I knew he had died at the age of 3 months and that my grandparents attended All Saints church. As it happened, the pastor at the time I tried to find the baby, was a priest that I knew personally. He had come to All Saints when I was in the 8th grade there and I had helped with with translations. Long story short, Fr. Oliveira let me bring all the books home to look through them for the baby's burial. I had been with a friend in KA looking for her ancestors and had seen a card file a woman had made up from the burial information for a cemetery there. I began a card file and found it just did not work, too many entries about the same people in different books; a deed book, a plot book, a mass book, the grave digger's book. So, I learned how to use a computer database, set up my own file in Dbase and began a 4 year journey down the burial of a whole lot of people. When I finally finished, there was a new pastor and the last book (which was still being used to enter burials) and he told me I could not take the book from the office of the church. Thus ended my extractions. I had success looking at the books for one of the Oakland Portuguese churches, Mary Help of Christians, which was demolished when the freeway was built. The books were sent to St. Elizabeth's Church and, when I was searching for information, they allowed me to make an appt. and look at the books. St. Leander's in San Leandro also allowed me to search their books for baptisms, marriages, etc. I have not had experience at any of the other churches in the Hayward area. If all else fails, there is a church archive in Menlo Park at St. Patrick's Seminary that has microfilm from the Archdiocese of San Francisco (before the Diocese of Oakland was formed) and ancient readers. It is not easy to make appts; the readers are a challenge; the person who was in charge did not offer any help; however, there was a nun who vounteered and she was very kind, although she did not know much about the records. You got to files, you pick through the microfilms, you figure out how to read them and you refile the film. As you can guess, things are not always easy to find. I do not think births in Alameda County HAD to be recorded in 1880. My mother was born in 1919, at home, and her birth was not recorded. However, when she filed for SSI, she had to get her baptismal record and a statement from 3 neighbors that knew of her birth and a belated birth certificate was filed. The baptismal records were used for some civil filing after the fact. Another possibility is the death record that was filed at the time of the death. I found one for someone who died in 1906, in San Leandro, CA. Of course, the dead person's name was the name of his son and the informant was the name of the deceased! I had solid information that Frank had died on the date of the record so I think it was not only the priests in the Azores who had too much wine, it sometimes was also those who wrote records in other places! So Tish, can you find information from different churches, MAYBE. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Mon, 4/19/10, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com wrote: From: Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:09 PM Hi Celeste, How were you able to extract the records? I have been to St Mary's cemetery in Oakland, CA and I was lucky to get the location of my grandparents grave. Do you happen to know if it is easy to get records from the churches. My mother and her siblings were baptized at St Leo's, also in Oakland. While I'm at it, has anyone obtained baptismal information from Mission San Jose, in Fremont CA from the 1880's? Any ideas of how to get information of births of Alameda Co. in the 1880's? Thanks, Tish On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:14 PM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Eric, Welcome to the group. Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery is located on Walpert St. In the olden days, you could only reach the cemetery via Second St. Walpert is the street just past the castle. Now, Walpert runs between Second St and Mission Blvd. This cemetery was begun about 1875 and served the Hayward area for the most part. When I was extracting the record, I heard that because a lot of babies were buried it was sometimes referred to the Cemetery of the Babies and that many people from other areas had their babies buried there. I have the records for the most part from the beginning of the burials until about 1960. At the time I extracted the records, there was one more book and I was not allowed to include that book. It is pretty much true that Catholics buried from All Saints Church
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA
Thank you very much. I guess all I can do is ask. My problem is I am not affiliated with any Catholic Church so I guess I would have to make a connection with someone at the church, highly unlikely. By the way, what did you do with your dBase files. Are you still able to read them? I take it you grew up in Hayward? I grew up in the Oakland area and I believe my mother was in the Holy Ghost one time in San Leandro. Thanks for telling your story, Tish On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:20 AM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: Well, Tish, it was just a fluke that enabled me to extract the information and put it into a database. I wanted to know where my uncle had been buried. I knew he had died at the age of 3 months and that my grandparents attended All Saints church. As it happened, the pastor at the time I tried to find the baby, was a priest that I knew personally. He had come to All Saints when I was in the 8th grade there and I had helped with with translations. Long story short, Fr. Oliveira let me bring all the books home to look through them for the baby's burial. I had been with a friend in KA looking for her ancestors and had seen a card file a woman had made up from the burial information for a cemetery there. I began a card file and found it just did not work, too many entries about the same people in different books; a deed book, a plot book, a mass book, the grave digger's book. So, I learned how to use a computer database, set up my own file in Dbase and began a 4 year journey down the burial of a whole lot of people. When I finally finished, there was a new pastor and the last book (which was still being used to enter burials) and he told me I could not take the book from the office of the church. Thus ended my extractions. I had success looking at the books for one of the Oakland Portuguese churches, Mary Help of Christians, which was demolished when the freeway was built. The books were sent to St. Elizabeth's Church and, when I was searching for information, they allowed me to make an appt. and look at the books. St. Leander's in San Leandro also allowed me to search their books for baptisms, marriages, etc. I have not had experience at any of the other churches in the Hayward area. If all else fails, there is a church archive in Menlo Park at St. Patrick's Seminary that has microfilm from the Archdiocese of San Francisco (before the Diocese of Oakland was formed) and ancient readers. It is not easy to make appts; the readers are a challenge; the person who was in charge did not offer any help; however, there was a nun who vounteered and she was very kind, although she did not know much about the records. You got to files, you pick through the microfilms, you figure out how to read them and you refile the film. As you can guess, things are not always easy to find. I do not think births in Alameda County HAD to be recorded in 1880. My mother was born in 1919, at home, and her birth was not recorded. However, when she filed for SSI, she had to get her baptismal record and a statement from 3 neighbors that knew of her birth and a belated birth certificate was filed. The baptismal records were used for some civil filing after the fact. Another possibility is the death record that was filed at the time of the death. I found one for someone who died in 1906, in San Leandro, CA. Of course, the dead person's name was the name of his son and the informant was the name of the deceased! I had solid information that Frank had died on the date of the record so I think it was not only the priests in the Azores who had too much wine, it sometimes was also those who wrote records in other places! So Tish, can you find information from different churches, MAYBE. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On *Mon, 4/19/10, Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Tish M tish.me...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 8:09 PM Hi Celeste, How were you able to extract the records? I have been to St Mary's cemetery in Oakland, CA and I was lucky to get the location of my grandparents grave. Do you happen to know if it is easy to get records from the churches. My mother and her siblings were baptized at St Leo's, also in Oakland. While I'm at it, has anyone obtained baptismal information from Mission San Jose, in Fremont CA from the 1880's? Any ideas of how to get information of births of Alameda Co. in the 1880's? Thanks, Tish On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:14 PM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc506.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Eric, Welcome to the group. Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery is located on Walpert St. In the olden days, you could only reach the cemetery via Second St. Walpert is the street just past the castle. Now, Walpert runs
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA
Hi Eric,
Welcome to the group. Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery is located on Walpert St. In
the olden days, you could only reach the cemetery via Second St. Walpert is
the street just past the castle. Now, Walpert runs between Second St and
Mission Blvd.
This cemetery was begun about 1875 and served the Hayward area for the most
part. When I was extracting the record, I heard that because a lot of babies
were buried it was sometimes referred to the Cemetery of the Babies and that
many people from other areas had their babies buried there.
I have the records for the most part from the beginning of the burials until
about 1960. At the time I extracted the records, there was one more book and I
was not allowed to include that book.
It is pretty much true that Catholics buried from All Saints Church were
buried there until Holy Sepulchre was started in 1937, I think. The cemetery
does not have perpetual care so families had to tend the graves themselves.
Now, I think the church does some maintenance; however, there has been a lot of
vandalism.
If you have any additional questions, just email me privately. Celeste,
Hayward, CA
Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
--- On Mon, 4/19/10, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA
To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 10:43 AM
Repost for Eric Gomes at gomes.ancestry at gmail.com
Hi all,
I have belonged to the group for about two months... And I have been
reading the messages to try and understand the format before I send
out my first reply/email/message... In otherwords I have a lot of
questions etc., because my Azorean/Sao Miguel tree goes back three or
four generation to the point that we know which boat most of my gg-
grandparents travelled to Hawaii on.
I am going to start with a question to Celeste. In the message below
you mention the St. Joseph cemetery in Hayward. Where is that
located?? I grew up in Hayward (and now live in Castro Valley)
Thanks,
Eric Gomes
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA
Hi Celeste, How were you able to extract the records? I have been to St Mary's cemetery in Oakland, CA and I was lucky to get the location of my grandparents grave. Do you happen to know if it is easy to get records from the churches. My mother and her siblings were baptized at St Leo's, also in Oakland. While I'm at it, has anyone obtained baptismal information from Mission San Jose, in Fremont CA from the 1880's? Any ideas of how to get information of births of Alameda Co. in the 1880's? Thanks, Tish On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:14 PM, celeste perry ccgran...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Eric, Welcome to the group. Mt. St. Joseph Cemetery is located on Walpert St. In the olden days, you could only reach the cemetery via Second St. Walpert is the street just past the castle. Now, Walpert runs between Second St and Mission Blvd. This cemetery was begun about 1875 and served the Hayward area for the most part. When I was extracting the record, I heard that because a lot of babies were buried it was sometimes referred to the Cemetery of the Babies and that many people from other areas had their babies buried there. I have the records for the most part from the beginning of the burials until about 1960. At the time I extracted the records, there was one more book and I was not allowed to include that book. It is pretty much true that Catholics buried from All Saints Church were buried there until Holy Sepulchre was started in 1937, I think. The cemetery does not have perpetual care so families had to tend the graves themselves. Now, I think the church does some maintenance; however, there has been a lot of vandalism. If you have any additional questions, just email me privately. Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On *Mon, 4/19/10, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. Joseph Cemetery in Hayward, CA To: Azores Genealogy Azores@googlegroups.com Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 10:43 AM Repost for Eric Gomes at gomes.ancestry at gmail.com Hi all, I have belonged to the group for about two months... And I have been reading the messages to try and understand the format before I send out my first reply/email/message... In otherwords I have a lot of questions etc., because my Azorean/Sao Miguel tree goes back three or four generation to the point that we know which boat most of my gg- grandparents travelled to Hawaii on. I am going to start with a question to Celeste. In the message below you mention the St. Joseph cemetery in Hayward. Where is that located?? I grew up in Hayward (and now live in Castro Valley) Thanks, Eric Gomes -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comazores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- sfig Researching Island: Santa Maria Freguesia: Santa Barbara -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
