Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time
I picked up a Johnson Controls group 31 AGM a year ago, a friend picked up 3 for his house bank. The 200 minutes reserve capacity is a plus, as is the bulk charge rate of about 40 amps in my setup. A downside is they weigh 71 lbs. http://www.multivu.com/players/English/7848851-johnson-controls-agm-battery/docs/sell-sheet-1275152047.pdf I got them at Total Battery on sale for $150 each plus tax and core deposit. http://webstore.totalbattery.com/product-p/agm31p-825.htm I doubt they are worth the $422 list price. Costco is now carrying the JCI group 24 for I think around $166. On long distance races it has no problems lasting 24+ hours running instruments, LED running lights, cabin lights, VHF and occasional Autohelm ( legal under Loor SIs ). The previous West Marine group 24 would last about 12 hours. Michael Brown Windburn C&C 30-1 ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time
Doug...where do yo find the room to put 6 +1 batteries on the landfall? I had a hard time fitting 3 + 1 under the quarter berth.Jim schwartzSEA YA!1981 38 lfWashington nc Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device Original message From: svpegasus38 via CnC-List Date: 7/9/17 12:57 PM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svpegasus38 Subject: Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time I too am looking to replace my batteries. Current ones are group 27 agm's that have been in use since before 2003 when 2 owners ago installed them. I have 6 house and 1 starting. Due to the location I have to stick with the AGM's. I will be following this thread, and chiming in if I find any good information. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale)Lf38 Significant Other LF39 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" Date: 7/9/17 09:48 (GMT-08:00) To: CnClist Cc: "Dennis C." Subject: Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time Every boater has an opinion on batteries. I've been using Delco Voyager wet cell batteries for almost 20 years. Usually get 7-8 years life. Except for the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang for the buck. The pro fishermen like them also. On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning. Advance Auto Motorcraft brand. Didn't last 24 months. Had to go through the idle relearn hassle. Pain in the butt. If it hadn't been a free replacement, I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries. Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim29’ Mk1Malletts Bay, VTSV Sly Fox ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time
What impact does requirement of ISAF that batteries be of type that cannot leak electrolyte...does this require agm or gel for racers? Or are wet cell Sealed sufficiently to comply? I read to require agm or gel after 1/2012.. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater, Mi Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Sunday, July 9, 2017 Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote: Every boater has an opinion on batteries. I've been using Delco Voyager wet cell batteries for almost 20 years. Usually get 7-8 years life. Except for the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang for the buck. The pro fishermen like them also. On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning. Advance Auto Motorcraft brand. Didn't last 24 months. Had to go through the idle relearn hassle. Pain in the butt. If it hadn't been a free replacement, I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim 29’ Mk1 Malletts Bay, VT SV Sly Fox ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time
When considering anything other than lead acid wet cells keep in mind that all of your charging systems (alternator, solar, wind, and shore power) will need to be properly setup for the alternative technology and chemistry. Wet cells aren't perfect but they offer a tremendous value and make things very easy in terms of compatability. Josh On Jul 9, 2017 1:15 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" wrote: > Tim > > When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has > house batteries. Served me very well. In 2014 I replaced them in kind. > Very happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting > > Mike > PERSUASION > C&C 37 K/CB > Long Sault > > On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 > Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking > advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity > for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to > other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for > trickle charging as on a mooring. > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > > > Tim > > 29’ Mk1 > > Malletts Bay, VT > > SV Sly Fox > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Here is another thing to consider when redesigning/replacing your batteries. The orientation of wet cells can affect their longevity. http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/flooded_battery_orientation Josh On Jul 9, 2017 1:15 PM, "Persuasion37 via CnC-List" wrote: > Tim > > When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has > house batteries. Served me very well. In 2014 I replaced them in kind. > Very happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting > > Mike > PERSUASION > C&C 37 K/CB > Long Sault > > On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 > Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking > advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity > for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to > other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for > trickle charging as on a mooring. > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > > > Tim > > 29’ Mk1 > > Malletts Bay, VT > > SV Sly Fox > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Tim When I bought Persuasion in '05 she had 2- Group 4D Lifeline batteries has house batteries. Served me very well. In 2014 I replaced them in kind. Very happy with Lifeline and didn't find the price off putting Mike PERSUASION C&C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On Jul 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, tim via CnC-List wrote: > > Hi, > > Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep > cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for > which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the > money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other > recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle > charging as on a mooring. > > Thanks for your advice. > > Tim > 29’ Mk1 > Malletts Bay, VT > SV Sly Fox > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish > to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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Maine sailor has his opinions and a great write up here: http://www.pbase.com/mainecruising/deep_cycle_battery There is a pretty solid concensus that better batteries weigh more. If you are looking to source from a conventional store then find the heaviest battery at the best price. AGMs are better for charge rate and lack of spilling but they have limited maintenance options. You can't equilize or water. I chose Trojan T -105REs. 6v golf cart batteries made to be resilient to the effects of renewable energy charging practices. They also have a watering kit which makes watering super easy. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Jul 9, 2017 12:29 PM, "tim via CnC-List" wrote: > Hi, > > > > Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 > Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking > advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity > for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to > other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for > trickle charging as on a mooring. > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > > > Tim > > 29’ Mk1 > > Malletts Bay, VT > > SV Sly Fox > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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I too am looking to replace my batteries. Current ones are group 27 agm's that have been in use since before 2003 when 2 owners ago installed them. I have 6 house and 1 starting. Due to the location I have to stick with the AGM's. I will be following this thread, and chiming in if I find any good information. Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Pegasus (for sale)Lf38 Significant Other LF39 Original message From: "Dennis C. via CnC-List" Date: 7/9/17 09:48 (GMT-08:00) To: CnClist Cc: "Dennis C." Subject: Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time Every boater has an opinion on batteries. I've been using Delco Voyager wet cell batteries for almost 20 years. Usually get 7-8 years life. Except for the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang for the buck. The pro fishermen like them also. On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning. Advance Auto Motorcraft brand. Didn't last 24 months. Had to go through the idle relearn hassle. Pain in the butt. If it hadn't been a free replacement, I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries. Dennis C.Touche' 35-1 #83Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List wrote: Hi, Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim29’ Mk1Malletts Bay, VTSV Sly Fox ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated! ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
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IMHO gels are superior to AGM if you have the correct charging systems for them. If you do go AGM, *by far* the cheapest way is getting GRP 31 AGMs from Sam's Club. They are relabeled Dekas and thus identical to West Marine AGMs for literally half the price. Lifeline will be a LOT more money and unless you are really on top of the special AGM requirements, won't last very long anyway. Joe Della Barba j...@dellabarba.com <mailto:j...@dellabarba.com> Coquina C&C 35 MK I From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of tim via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 12:29 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: tim Subject: Stus-List Battery replacement time Hi, Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim 29' Mk1 Malletts Bay, VT SV Sly Fox ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Re: Stus-List Battery replacement time
Every boater has an opinion on batteries. I've been using Delco Voyager wet cell batteries for almost 20 years. Usually get 7-8 years life. Except for the spill prevention aspect of AGMs, I think the Voyagers offer the most bang for the buck. The pro fishermen like them also. On the other hand, I just replaced the battery in my truck this morning. Advance Auto Motorcraft brand. Didn't last 24 months. Had to go through the idle relearn hassle. Pain in the butt. If it hadn't been a free replacement, I'd have switched the truck to Delco batteries. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 11:28 AM, tim via CnC-List wrote: > Hi, > > > > Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 > Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking > advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity > for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to > other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for > trickle charging as on a mooring. > > > > Thanks for your advice. > > > > Tim > > 29’ Mk1 > > Malletts Bay, VT > > SV Sly Fox > > ___ > > This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you > wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > All Contributions are greatly appreciated! > > ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!
Stus-List Battery replacement time
Hi, Its time for battery replacement. I am presently using Interstate #31 Deep cell (2 house, 1 for start). Looking to go AGM route and seeking advice for which manufacturer/brand seems to be most reliable and longevity for the money. Leaning toward Lifeline after some research. Very open to other recommendations based on experience. I use a couple solar cells for trickle charging as on a mooring. Thanks for your advice. Tim 29' Mk1 Malletts Bay, VT SV Sly Fox ___ This list is supported by the generous donations of our members. If you wish to make a contribution to offset our costs, please go to: https://www.paypal.me/stumurray All Contributions are greatly appreciated!