Re: [Debian] Etk gui?

[Nikita V. Youshchenko]

> Am Saturday 21 February 2009 22:53:27 schrieben Sie:
> > G'evening,
> >
> > I'd at least like to try to build an Etk gui for Pythm. "Problem": I
> > have Debian running and don't really want to change that, so I'm
> > wondering if there are e17 widget lib(s) available for it. The
> > "minimal etk gui" example from the wiki doesn't work since the python
> > module "etk" is missing. Zhone doesn't seem to be a usable example for
> > this case since it does all its gui using custom graphics (and is not
> > too clearly arranged...).
> >
> > Does anyone have a hint or suggestions?
>
> I hereby kind of broaden my question: Is there some python-etk package
> available for Debian at all?

Not yet. Stay tuned :)


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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust, or: what do I do wrong?

[Paul]

Richard Guest wrote:
> 2009/2/22 Paul mailto:p...@nlpagan.net>>
>
> What do I do wrong here?
>
>
> Nothing wrong with the flashing, as far as I can tell.
>
> What do you have on the SD card?
> Qi tries to boot kernels from the the first three partitions on SD 
> first...

On the SD-card there's not much. A few directories with small stuff.
I read on the wiki that Qi first tries to boot from the first 3 
partitions on the card and after that from flash memory. It's the latter 
that does not seem to work quite that well, at least on my FR.

When I feel adventurous again (and I have more time again), I may play 
with it some more.

Thanks!
Paul

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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust, or: what do I do wrong?

[Paul]

> You're wrong :)
>
> I installed Qi once, but reflashing u-boot on top of it worked just fine

Sometimes it is good to be wrong... :-)
Glad to know there's a way back!
Paul

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Re: Introducing CellHunter

[Robin Paulson]

2009/2/22 Sebastian Hammerl :
> now I find the time to post on the community mailinglist and like to
> (already mentioned here) introduce myself and CellHunter.
>
> I am student right now and got together with some friends and imagined
> that we could have fun with cellids and games based on there cells. But
> for this we need a database to work on and so i started the project
> CellHunter [1].
>
> CellHunter is a game where you collect cellids together with the gps
> position you received this cell. You are working in teams and get points
> for each cell you submit. The score for the submitted cell depends on
> the type of cell if it is already known or brand new. More about the
> point system on the homepage [2].
>
> Right know the CellHunter database contains about 45 entries with
> ~9000 unique cells. 35 teams active and we get new cells everyday.
>
> I know that there a several other cell databases and i contacted
> opencellid two days ago and will contribute. Others are welcome to
> contact me.
>
> The license of the data is discussed at the moment, i think it will be
> cc-by-sa but because this project is very new and grows faster than i
> expected i just want to check available licenses and their pros and cons.

Hi Sebastian,
good to hear you're working on this project. i've been working on
openstreetmap.org, a conceptually similar project, for a couple of
years now - they are currently in the process of transitioning from
cc-by-sa to a new license, specifically designed for databases, with
the help of a lawyer or two. their theory is that cc is more for
creative content, which is not really applicable to osm; this may be
useful for your project too. more info here:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License

cheers

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[QtExtended] Report on 4.4.3 src on FSO

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

Hello list!
as some might have noticed, I've been struggling with my efforts to 
build QtExtended on FSO as specified on mwester's page[1]. Today I've 
been successful on building the whole pack of stuff and run it on my 
neo. So here's my report to whoever is interested (skip down to just 
check out what works and what doesn't):

Built on Ubuntu 8.04, using backported Qt.

First thing I built was FSO, but since fso-testing was not compiling 
(some packages were missing from the src repos), i decided to compile 
fso-m5. All was good (takes a long time!!).
So i built the images, then built the nox version and then the 
toolchain. All was good.
To build QtExtended was another story. No matter what I did, it would 
always complain about not finding libdbus-1 when using FSO's toolchain. 
I tried all the pkg-config wizardry I could come up with but nothing 
worked in the end, so I ended up compiling QtE using nokia's toolchain.
If anyone got any tips on how to compile QtE using FSO's toolchain, I'd 
love to know them.
So after everything was built I flashed the whole pack into the phone 
and installed QtE as mwester's instructions (thanks!), only to realize 
that 2.6.28 is terribly supported under QtE, and would kill the screen 
upon resume from suspend, and also, most thing would freeze up and just 
die a painful death.

Then I flashed a 2.6.24 kernel from openmoko's daily build[2], together 
with the modules and console image, then installed QtE again and bam! 
all was working. This is what I've tested so far:

working good:
suspend and resume
power management changes (which didn't work properly on 4.4.2)
UI speed (way better than 4.4.2)
boot speed (boots in under a minute in my phone)
GSM (it unregistered once, maybe a one-time issue), but phone quality is 
superb, and it never happened again.

not working so good:
Wifi (can register, but won't update /etc/resolv.conf so no dns, and it 
will stop working after a suspend, to never come back)

did not test yet:
GPRS (however, it was working perfectly in 4.4.2 so I assume this is 
still the case)
GPS
Bluetooth (same as gprs, was fine before)

so, if anyone was thinking about compiling 4.4.3 snapshots to get better 
networking...well, I cannot say I reccomend it since it did not fix the 
dns issues that 4.4.2 has, but it is indeed way speedier.
If anyone wants to try it, I can upload the whole set of images 
somewhere, or maybe a full backup of my phone so people can try it for 
themselves (just please notice that this is highly experimental and 
probably not very well built)

hope I didn't bore you with this lengthy post.

[1]http://moko.mwester.net/qtextended.html
[2]http://downloads.openmoko.org/distro/testing/

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Re: [FSO] Any luck with bluetooth headsets?

[c_c]

Hi,

Simon Kagstrom wrote:
> 
> I've tried both a Nokia BH-604 and a SonyEricsson HBH-PV700, both work
> for outgoing audio but not incoming.
> 
I'm in a similar situation. Have a Jabra BT-125. Didn't place calls to check
the outgoing audio since there wasn't anything coming in. The headset plays
its connecting and disconnecting tone - but I don't hear any audio. MS5 with
2.6.28-rc4 for me.
  There's been some discussion about the voice-recording.state on the ML.
Seems like the DAI mode 1 has implementation problems. Maybe we need to try
voip-headset.state. Just a thought - haven't gotten around to doing that
yet.
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[SHR-Unstable] Cannot get ophonekitd to use SIM

[The Digital Pioneer]

Hi. I just installed SHR unstable, and when I run ophonekitd, it dies with:

Unknown SIM error: Antenna powered off or SIM not unlocked yet, 77
(dbus-glib-error-quark), code 32

SHR-Testing works fine, so what can I do to fix this? My SIM is not locked,
to the best of my knowledge.

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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[c_c]

Hi,

Fabian Henze wrote:
> 
> If it is in such an early state, you might consider switching to some EFL 
> based GUI library ...
> 
  Well, I switched. And here are the problems :-
 1. I could get elementary set up for compiling after about 4 hrs of effort
(getting stuff from the svn, compiling all the libraries etc) on my PC.
 2. The program is up and running on the PC, but now I realise that there
are no dev versions of elementary and its dependencies on FSO. SHR and
openmoko are using older (yet different) versions. Finally got some ipk's
from angstrom - but the linker is giving me errors about 
 libelementary.so: undefined reference to `ecore_evas_object_associate'
 libelementary.so: undefined reference to `ecore_evas_object_associate_get'
 libelementary.so: undefined reference to
`ecore_evas_software_wince_gdi_new'
 And this after another day of trying to get the cross-compile environment
for elementary. The only thing left is to get the libraries from svn into
the environment - only then things might not work on the phone.
  For eg - the svn version has sliders and genlists. While the one on the
phone doesn't.
 3. So - I'm back to GTK for now. Need to get some more work done before I
can get back to elementary.

  @ anyone at FSO - Can we have some development libraries for elementary
too?
 
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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Charles-Henri Gros  writes:
>> In this case I suggest using something like
>> arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 | speexenc - a.speex
> 
> I was going to suggest it too but it does not work:

I looked into it.
What I did to get it to work:
arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t raw | speexenc --stereo --rate 44100 --16bit
--le - a.speex

You need to match the params exactly as the "raw" format doesn't
transmit them (and speexenc apparently can only accept raw data as stdin)

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Re: [Debian] Etk gui?

[Marcel]

Am Saturday 21 February 2009 22:53:27 schrieben Sie:
> G'evening,
>
> I'd at least like to try to build an Etk gui for Pythm. "Problem": I have
> Debian running and don't really want to change that, so I'm wondering if
> there are e17 widget lib(s) available for it. The "minimal etk gui" example
> from the wiki doesn't work since the python module "etk" is missing.
> Zhone doesn't seem to be a usable example for this case since it does all
> its gui using custom graphics (and is not too clearly arranged...).
>
> Does anyone have a hint or suggestions?

I hereby kind of broaden my question: Is there some python-etk package 
available for Debian at all?
Just checked out the paroli code but cannot run it because python-etk is 
missing... :/

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Re: HELP: sim card not registering...

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 09:25:50PM +, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm switching operator and today I got m y new sim card. The current one
> will stop working in a few work days, so I'm desperate (YES, I use
> the Freerunner as my main day to day phone): it's not registering.
> 
> I followed these instructions and they worked flawlessly:
> 
>   http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing
> 
> Where this not enough?
> 
> Where this not correct even though it worked?
> 
> Please help...

Well, a Nokia and an Ericcsson phone don't load it either so maybe the
SIM card is borked. Ah well...

Rui

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Introducing CellHunter

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Hi,

now I find the time to post on the community mailinglist and like to
(already mentioned here) introduce myself and CellHunter.

I am student right now and got together with some friends and imagined
that we could have fun with cellids and games based on there cells. But
for this we need a database to work on and so i started the project
CellHunter [1].

CellHunter is a game where you collect cellids together with the gps
position you received this cell. You are working in teams and get points
for each cell you submit. The score for the submitted cell depends on
the type of cell if it is already known or brand new. More about the
point system on the homepage [2].

Right know the CellHunter database contains about 45 entries with
~9000 unique cells. 35 teams active and we get new cells everyday.

I know that there a several other cell databases and i contacted
opencellid two days ago and will contribute. Others are welcome to
contact me.

The license of the data is discussed at the moment, i think it will be
cc-by-sa but because this project is very new and grows faster than i
expected i just want to check available licenses and their pros and cons.

The idea to create a database of cells is not new but to combine it with
a game is something that motivates people to contribute.

Here are some technical details about CellHunter:
- offline and online logging of cells
- logging of the main and up to 6 neighbourcells your mobile phone "sees"
- statistcs displayed right on your freerunner
- data displayable in google maps and osm
- browsing osm cell map with dynamically loaded cell locations
- export as kml / csv of the whole db or by team
- teams of submitters with infotext about the group on the homepage
- gui availabe in german and english

Most of the already collected cells are located in germany and i would
like to see some other countries to start their teams and collect
points. You get ready to run FSO and debian packages on the homepage [2].

If you have any ideas or suggestions i would like to hear them. For
german users: we discuss cellhunter at the freeyourphone forums [3]

Greetings, Sebastian


[1] http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CellHunter
[2] http://cellhunter.omoco.de
[3] http://freeyourphone.de/portal_v1/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=865

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[William Kenworthy]

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 15:20 +0200, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> William Kenworthy  writes:
> > I think you will get > 3 hours with the FR and gps - I had it on full
> > brightness (no suspend and screen on) for about 3 hours - then events/0
> 
> Well, don't keep the screen on, that will eat the battery :-)
> 

True, and I without the screen I can turn GPS off as well and save some
more ... :)

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Re: Installing software?

[Adam Jimerson]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Yorick Moko  wrote:

> to install programs you can either:
> *download it on your host pc, scp it to the freerunner and install it
> *connect the FR to the internet (usb/wifi/bluetooth...) and opkg
> install something
> *connect the FR to the internet and use the graphical UI that is
> included in some distro's like 2008.x
>
> a very easy way is to set up usb networking
> (http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking),
> ssh into your FR,
> take a look at for example www.opkg.org,
> and copy paste the code to install something in the terminal when
> shh'd into the freerunner
>
> y
>
> Thanks for the quick reply, as of right now I can't connect my freerunner
to the internet, I can't launch the settings menu and can't find some kind
of command line short of shhing into the phone when it is connected via USB.
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Re: Installing software?

[Yorick Moko]

to install programs you can either:
*download it on your host pc, scp it to the freerunner and install it
*connect the FR to the internet (usb/wifi/bluetooth...) and opkg
install something
*connect the FR to the internet and use the graphical UI that is
included in some distro's like 2008.x

a very easy way is to set up usb networking
(http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking),
ssh into your FR,
take a look at for example www.opkg.org,
and copy paste the code to install something in the terminal when
shh'd into the freerunner

y

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> just could not find where to search the archives of the list, but when I use
> the "installer" program on my freerunner I get a error about how it can't
> access the repo.  Does the freerunner need to be connected to the wifi or
> via Ethernet over USB?  I'm new to the Freerunner and openmoko and figured
> while I fight the dfu-util program so I can backup and flash it (see my
> other thread) might as well have some fun and learn more about it.
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Installing software?

[Adam Jimerson]

This may seem like a dumb question, that may have been asked before and I
just could not find where to search the archives of the list, but when I use
the "installer" program on my freerunner I get a error about how it can't
access the repo.  Does the freerunner need to be connected to the wifi or
via Ethernet over USB?  I'm new to the Freerunner and openmoko and figured
while I fight the dfu-util program so I can backup and flash it (see my
other thread) might as well have some fun and learn more about it.
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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust, or: what do I do wrong?

[Richard Guest]

2009/2/22 Paul 

> What do I do wrong here?


Nothing wrong with the flashing, as far as I can tell.

What do you have on the SD card?
Qi tries to boot kernels from the the first three partitions on SD first...

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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust, or: what do I do wrong?

[Charles-Henri Gros]

> I really feel that Qi was not a good idea. At least, with u-boot as it 
> was, I had a reasonably good phone using SHR. I also have the uneasy 
> feeling that there is no "undo" from Qi, or am I wrong?

You're wrong :)

I installed Qi once, but reflashing u-boot on top of it worked just fine.

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Charles-Henri Gros  writes:
> In this case I suggest using something like
> arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 | speexenc - a.speex

I was going to suggest it too but it does not work:

$ time arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 | speexenc - a.speex
Recording WAVE 'stdin' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 44100 Hz, Mono
Warning: Speex is only optimized for 8, 16 and 32 kHz. It will still work at 
44100 Hz but your mileage may vary
Encoding 44100 Hz audio using ultra-wideband (sub-band CELP) mode (mono)

real0m0.700s
user0m0.095s
sys 0m0.155s


strace shows

read(0, "RIFF$\0\0\200WAVEfmt \20\0\0\0\1\0\1\0D\254\0\0\210X\1\0\2"..., 4096) 
= 4096
write(2, "Warning: Speex is only optimized "..., 112) = 112
write(2, "Encoding 44100 Hz audio using ult"..., 73) = 73
open("a.speex", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x40021000
write(3, "OggS\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0p\310\232l\0\0\0\0\23N\314\254\1PSpeex"..., 
287) = 287
close(3)= 0
munmap(0x40021000, 4096)= 0
exit_group(0)   = ?


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[Debian] Etk gui?

[Marcel]

G'evening,

I'd at least like to try to build an Etk gui for Pythm. "Problem": I have 
Debian running and don't really want to change that, so I'm wondering if 
there are e17 widget lib(s) available for it. The "minimal etk gui" example 
from the wiki doesn't work since the python module "etk" is missing.
Zhone doesn't seem to be a usable example for this case since it does all its 
gui using custom graphics (and is not too clearly arranged...).

Does anyone have a hint or suggestions?

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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Yorick Moko]

yeah http://www.sites.bipt.be/indexnl1.html has the same for belgium

I e-mailed them already twice about the licences, they did not respond :(

y

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Tim Dobson  wrote:
> Olivier Migeot wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
>>> use, some don't.
>>
>> If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said "Creative
>> Commons" licence chosed by OpenCellID is :
>> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
>>
>> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
>> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
>> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
>> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.
>
> Please please forgive me if I'm wrong. I put my hand up and say I am not
> an expert in this area and COULD BE WRONG.
>
> opencellid has A LOT of data for the UK. In fact it wouldn't surprise me
> if this was all the towers.
>
> Due to a load of people being scared of phone masts and radiation etc,
> the uk body in charge of radio stuff etc. OFCOM, made available on this
> website:
> http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/
> pretty much all the locations of all the cell towers...
>
> I'm not sure how that information is licenced.. I have seen discussions
> about this before I think but I can't remember where... it could have
> been OSM related.
>
> Obviously the issue would be opencellid integrating unclearls licenced data.
>
> Before you reply:
>
> STOP. As I said before, I may well be wrong!
>
> Happy Hacking,
>
> Tim
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Re: [New software] openBmap logger (GSM positioning)

[Tim Dobson]

Olivier Migeot wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Timo Juhani Lindfors
>  wrote:
> 
>> There are many creative commons licenses, some are permit commercial
>> use, some don't.
> 
> If you go one click further, you'd discover that the said "Creative
> Commons" licence chosed by OpenCellID is :
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
> 
> So it should be ok for openbmap guys. That could explain the thing
> about "merging" both databases. Any "official" insight on this? I've
> been collecting cell information for a few weeks, with some home-made
> script, and I'd like to know where I should commit them to.

Please please forgive me if I'm wrong. I put my hand up and say I am not 
an expert in this area and COULD BE WRONG.

opencellid has A LOT of data for the UK. In fact it wouldn't surprise me 
if this was all the towers.

Due to a load of people being scared of phone masts and radiation etc, 
the uk body in charge of radio stuff etc. OFCOM, made available on this 
website:
http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk/
pretty much all the locations of all the cell towers...

I'm not sure how that information is licenced.. I have seen discussions 
about this before I think but I can't remember where... it could have 
been OSM related.

Obviously the issue would be opencellid integrating unclearls licenced data.

Before you reply:

STOP. As I said before, I may well be wrong!

Happy Hacking,

Tim

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Charles-Henri Gros]

Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> matthias  writes:
>> arecord -D hw -f S16_LE -t wav -c 1 -r 8000 ~/rec-$(date
>> +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav
> 
> How about using speex compression? I recorded a few words with
> 
> arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 a.wav
> 
> and ended up with a 1089580-byte file.
> 
> speexenc a.wav a.speex

In this case I suggest using something like
arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 | speexenc - a.speex

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HELP: sim card not registering...

[Rui Miguel Silva Seabra]

Hi,

I'm switching operator and today I got m y new sim card. The current one
will stop working in a few work days, so I'm desperate (YES, I use
the Freerunner as my main day to day phone): it's not registering.

I followed these instructions and they worked flawlessly:

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GSM/Flashing

Where this not enough?

Where this not correct even though it worked?

Please help...

Thanks,
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Re: automatic answer a Call and play a wav/ogg/mp3 like an answer-machine?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Yet another feature I'm dying to see added. Being a student, I'd love my
phone to automatically mute/take messages while I'm in classes.
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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Stefan Monnier]

>> I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian  
>> repo)
> how did you get it?
> apt-get dist-upgrade does not list another kernel (but 2.6.24).

AFAIK the two kernels are in different packages, not in different
versions of the same package.  And I haven't found a virtual package
which I could install (and which would have pointer to the 2.6.24
kernel before and could later be changed to point to 2.6.28).


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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[Stefan Monnier]

>> If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the
>> same as what you see with your mplayer+intone).  The other advantage
>> of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere .
>   Sure. :-) I haven't used MPD. But I'm more looking at using the phone as a
> standalone music player (while travelling etc).

MPD+pythm works just fine as a standalone music player as well,
of course.

>   I have no intentions of belittling pythm or any other player (who all
> probably fit somewhere in the app landscape).

Neither did I want to belittle your work.  Just pointing out that your
original motivation could have been addressed without reinventing the
wheel.  Maybe your wheel is really much better, but from what I've seen
in the past, we have too many toyish music players, so it would be
better to improve existing ones than to make yet-another-one.


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automatic answer a Call and play a wav/ogg/mp3 like an answer-machine?

[Hans-Martin]

Hi all,

the subject says it, so is it possible?

I think of a profile-based 'phone/sms-firewall', playing back selfmade 
wav-files to different callers. So you can easy switch into the 
meeting-profile when you have a meeting, or can switch to a night-profile, 
where only special callers will come through...

regards,

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Re: [FSO] Any luck with bluetooth headsets?

[Simon Kagstrom]

On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:02:22 +0200
Timo Juhani Lindfors  wrote:

> Simon Kagstrom  writes:
> > I'm trying to get my bluetooth headset to work for calls on the
> 
> What's the model?

I've tried both a Nokia BH-604 and a SonyEricsson HBH-PV700, both work
for outgoing audio but not incoming.

// Simon

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Re: [Query] Known Good SD cards

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:57:27AM +0500, Shaz wrote:
>  Hi everyone,
> 
> I need some guidance on uSD cards because i tried a few locally available to
> my town but none are working. My understanding is that its the quality or I
> am making a mistake in compatibility.
> 
> I need some help in understanding this issue. If there are known to be
> working SD cards then I would order from some other place if not available
> locally.

   I bought an 8 GB speed class 4 SanDisk card marked 0732502849DZG (in very
small letters - bring a magnifying glass to the shop). It came bundled with
a combined MicroSDHC and M2 card reader with USB connector. I've had the
card for about two months with a Debian installation and it works fine with
u-boot (as shipped in NOR and NAND flash) and kernel versions 2.6.24 and
andy-tracking 2.6.28. No boot parameters required.

   There were two different SanDisk packages of an 8 GB card and a USB card
reader I could choose from. According to the salesman the differences were
only in the packaging. But anyway, the one I bought has 80-13-02494 printed
at the bottom of each page of the user guide. The barcode on the back of the
package reads 6 1965904025 3 with SDSDQR-8192-E12M printed above it and
80-56-04874-8192 printed below it.

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Re: [FSO] Any luck with bluetooth headsets?

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Simon Kagstrom  writes:
> I'm trying to get my bluetooth headset to work for calls on the

What's the model?

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[FSO] Any luck with bluetooth headsets?

[Simon Kagstrom]

Hi!

I'm trying to get my bluetooth headset to work for calls on the
freerunner. I have mixed results so far, literally - the other end can
hear my voice but I hear nothing.


I've created a Wiki page with a "howto" on

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Bluetooth_headset

which will give you a headset with static noise (good start, right!).
After that I've tried to follow these pages

  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Audio_Subsystem
  http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_Freerunner_audio_subsystem

and have most luck with GSMBLUETOOTH.txt, which gives me good outgoing
sound. After the steps on my wiki page I do this to setup the bluetooth
connection after the call has been answered:

  alsactl restore 0 -f GSMBLUETOOTH.txt
  ./bluetooth_pcm

but from here I'm lost. I'm running FSO milestone 5 - have anyone else
got this working and if so, what did you do?

// Simon

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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[Dylan Reilly]

Does it handle the song length correctly? The versions I have used
play them but do not know how long they are because it ignores VBR
headers. Knowing the length of a song is useful for GUI's.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Gstädtner
 wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dylan Reilly  wrote:
>> Mplayer can't handle VBR mp3's by default. I have a patch [...]
>
> It can, and it  does. I use mplayer as my only audio-player and listen
> to VBR MP3s every day.
> No need for a patch.
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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Adam Jimerson]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Daniel.Li  wrote:

> Well, Maybe u can consult this reference. Remove all other usb device
> when u flash the device, I think.
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner
>
> On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 16:15 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote:
> > Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > >
> > > My big problem is that the freerunner stays active for 30 seconds, but
> > > dfu-util takes 3 minutes before it even tries to connect, by this time
> > > it just spits out an error about how it can't find the device.  I am
> > > using the USB cable that came in the OM package, I can deffinitly try
> > > a different USB port, good thing my computer has a lot of those it
> > > seems.  As for the setting menu not working on my phone does this work
> > > in 2008.12?  This now my biggest reason for wanting to flash it,
> > > without access to settings there is not much I can do to it.
> > I'm using dfu-util 0.1 under ubuntu 8.10 and it is instantaneous to
> > detect the FR, most of the times. When it doesn't work immediately, I
> > just restart the connection procedure. At 2nd or 3d try it has worked.
> >
> > Have you tried to connect other usb devices on the same port? Is it
> > recognised immediately by Suse?
> >
> > Fernando
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I got it to show up and I started to back it up but the phone shut off for
being in NOR boot for about 30 minutes, the Freerunner is the only USB
device connected to my computer and I did try other ports before getting it
to work.
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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[Thomas Gstädtner]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Dylan Reilly  wrote:
> Mplayer can't handle VBR mp3's by default. I have a patch [...]

It can, and it  does. I use mplayer as my only audio-player and listen
to VBR MP3s every day.
No need for a patch.

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Re: Annuncing new Project - Intone mplayer frontend

[Dylan Reilly]

Mplayer can't handle VBR mp3's by default. I have a patch (and
executable) lying around if  that is something that interests you.

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:26 PM, c_c  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>>
>> If you use the MPD backend, it works very efficiently (probably the same
>> as what
>> you see with your mplayer+intone).
>> The other advantage of MPD is that you can control it from anywhere .
>>
>  Sure. :-) I haven't used MPD. But I'm more looking at using the phone as a
> standalone music player (while travelling etc).
>  I have no intentions of belittling pythm or any other player (who all
> probably fit somewhere in the app landscape). Just looking for a different
> solution to a similar prob. Hence the reference.
>
> --
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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust, or: what do I do wrong?

[Paul]

What do I do wrong here?

I downloaded the files Sander suggested. I fed them to my flash-script.

Note:

$kernel contains "uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr3
4240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin"

$image contains "fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2"

The script-commands I used:

dfu-util -a u-boot -R -D qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu
sleep 2
dfu-util -a kernel -R -D $kernel
sleep 2
dfu-util -a rootfs -R -D $image



The output:

dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
Resetting USB...
Opening USB Device...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=61, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=1, 
name="u-boot"
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
bytes_per_hash=567
Starting download: [##] 
finished
!
state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
Done!
Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
Resetting USB...
Opening USB Device...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=63, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=3, 
name="kernel"
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
bytes_per_hash=39604
Starting download: [##] 
finished
!
state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
Done!
Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
dfu-util - (C) 2007 by OpenMoko Inc.
This program is Free Software and has ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY

Opening USB Device 0x:0x...
Claiming USB DFU Runtime Interface...
Determining device status: state = appIDLE, status = 0
Device really in Runtime Mode, send DFU detach request...
Resetting USB...
Opening USB Device...
Found Runtime: [0x1d50:0x5119] devnum=65, cfg=0, intf=0, alt=6, 
name="rootfs"
Claiming USB DFU Interface...
Setting Alternate Setting ...
Determining device status: state = dfuIDLE, status = 0
dfuIDLE, continuing
Transfer Size = 0x1000
bytes_per_hash=1740636
Starting download: [##] 
finished
!
state(2) = dfuIDLE, status(0) = No error condition is present
Done!
Resetting USB to switch back to runtime mode
[p...@merlijn Freerunner]$


This all looks fine and dandy. But when I reboot (or pull the battery 
and stick that in again), all I see are the errors I already described. 
The CPU 0 stall, the EEC errors, and so on.

I really feel that Qi was not a good idea. At least, with u-boot as it 
was, I had a reasonably good phone using SHR. I also have the uneasy 
feeling that there is no "undo" from Qi, or am I wrong?

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Dylan Reilly]

To my knowledge, there is no specific action available to the oevents
subsystem of frameworkd that would allow one to set up a rule in
rules.yaml (maybe I am wrong). However, newer frameworkd's have
resource requesting that will allow one to request CPU resource which
will stop frameworkd from suspending.

It is not hard to implement, especially in python. Take a look at code
in my updates to pythm (opkg.org) for an example. You will want
backend/backend.py. You could either implement this in the application
directly, or perhaps make a wrapper for it.

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Johny Tenfinger  wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 13:48, arne anka  wrote:
>>> Thanks for the dbus lines - saved me some
>>> research to find them!
>>
>> does the mdbus calls work for you with a recent frameworkd (ie ms5)?
>> every attempt to do something like this dies on my debian/fso with an auth
>> error -- be i root or not.
>
> To me on shr-unstable it works.
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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

kimaidou  writes:
> One question : on which package depends speexenc and speexdec ?

$ find-package-by-file bin/speexenc
You have searched for paths that end with bin/speexenc in suite etch, all 
sections, and all
/usr/bin/speexenc speex
You have searched for paths that end with bin/speexenc in suite lenny, all 
sections, and all
/usr/bin/speexenc speex
You have searched for paths that end with bin/speexenc in suite squeeze, all 
sections, and all
/usr/bin/speexenc speex
You have searched for paths that end with bin/speexenc in suite sid, all 
sections, and all
/usr/bin/speexenc speex

http://iki.fi/lindi/find-package-by-file is a simple one-liner to
query packages.debian.org to always have up-to-date information.



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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[kimaidou]

Great idea !
Thanks for both of you, I will -soon- put this in the 0.2 version.
One question : on which package depends speexenc and speexdec ?

kimaidou

2009/2/21 Timo Juhani Lindfors 

> matthias  writes:
> > arecord -D hw -f S16_LE -t wav -c 1 -r 8000 ~/rec-$(date
> > +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav
>
> How about using speex compression? I recorded a few words with
>
> arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 a.wav
>
> and ended up with a 1089580-byte file.
>
> speexenc a.wav a.speex
>
> reduced the size to only 78214 bytes and "speexdec a.speex" played it
> back with better quality than the 8000 Hz recording.
>
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Francesco de Virgilio]

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Johny Tenfinger ha scritto:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 16:46, Francesco de Virgilio
>  wrote:
>> Yeah! So, what are the best kernel and rootfs?
> 
> Latest :)

Thanks :)

> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2
> http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin
> 
> Of course sometimes you will have to fix something manually (as I),
> but how to do all of that thing you can find on maillists. Thinking,
> like "everything will work after flash and boot" is wrong for all
> Openmoko images ;D

Little hacks are the reason which pushed me to buy a Neo FreeRunner :D

> Ah - after first booting, reboot it ;) On first boot usb networking
> doesn't work.

OOK :D

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 16:46, Francesco de Virgilio
 wrote:
> Yeah! So, what are the best kernel and rootfs?

Latest :)

http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2
http://build.shr-project.org/shr-unstable/images/om-gta02/uImage-2.6.28-oe1+gitr34240a1c06ae36180dee695aa25bbae869b2aa26-r3-om-gta02.bin

Of course sometimes you will have to fix something manually (as I),
but how to do all of that thing you can find on maillists. Thinking,
like "everything will work after flash and boot" is wrong for all
Openmoko images ;D

Ah - after first booting, reboot it ;) On first boot usb networking
doesn't work.

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

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> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 16:18, Francesco de Virgilio
>  wrote:
>> sometimes freezes so it is not so usable... Yes, I know that "SHR
>> unstable" pushes away the concepts of "stable, usable and daily phone"
>> but... I'll give it a try :D
> 
> But it looks like SHR unstable is now the most "stable, usable and
> daily phone"... ;)

Yeah! So, what are the best kernel and rootfs?

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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Daniel.Li]

Well, Maybe u can consult this reference. Remove all other usb device
when u flash the device, I think.
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_the_Neo_FreeRunner 

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 16:15 +0100, Fernando Martins wrote:
> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> >
> > My big problem is that the freerunner stays active for 30 seconds, but 
> > dfu-util takes 3 minutes before it even tries to connect, by this time 
> > it just spits out an error about how it can't find the device.  I am 
> > using the USB cable that came in the OM package, I can deffinitly try 
> > a different USB port, good thing my computer has a lot of those it 
> > seems.  As for the setting menu not working on my phone does this work 
> > in 2008.12?  This now my biggest reason for wanting to flash it, 
> > without access to settings there is not much I can do to it.
> I'm using dfu-util 0.1 under ubuntu 8.10 and it is instantaneous to 
> detect the FR, most of the times. When it doesn't work immediately, I 
> just restart the connection procedure. At 2nd or 3d try it has worked.
> 
> Have you tried to connect other usb devices on the same port? Is it 
> recognised immediately by Suse?
> 
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 16:18, Francesco de Virgilio
 wrote:
> sometimes freezes so it is not so usable... Yes, I know that "SHR
> unstable" pushes away the concepts of "stable, usable and daily phone"
> but... I'll give it a try :D

But it looks like SHR unstable is now the most "stable, usable and
daily phone"... ;)

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[arne anka]

> i tried that kernel a week ago and the wlan was not working so i just
> removed it and went back to 24...

well, wlan is a nice to have, not crucial -- but just for fun: i enabled  
wifi in opp and did
ifconfig eth0 up (which probably should be done automagically)
and eth0 was there,
iwlist eth scan
listed several aps.

> i thought the there was a reason why
> it wasn't listed in updates ;-)

i had some dim recollection of issues, but that they were solved by now.
what i see, though, are several messages about sysfs pathes not found,  
which surpises me slightly, since i understood ms5 was fully compatible  
with 2.6.28.

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

matthias  writes:
> arecord -D hw -f S16_LE -t wav -c 1 -r 8000 ~/rec-$(date
> +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav

How about using speex compression? I recorded a few words with

arecord -f S16_LE -r 44100 a.wav

and ended up with a 1089580-byte file.

speexenc a.wav a.speex

reduced the size to only 78214 bytes and "speexdec a.speex" played it
back with better quality than the 8000 Hz recording.



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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Francesco de Virgilio]

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Hi,
I've decided to try the unstable SHR to see if the power consumption is
less than OM 2008.12.
Could you link me the best rootfs and kernel?

I'm searching for something stable and suitable for a daily phone (my
needs are some calls and some trackings every day). Actually, my 2008.12
sometimes freezes so it is not so usable... Yes, I know that "SHR
unstable" pushes away the concepts of "stable, usable and daily phone"
but... I'll give it a try :D

Thanks,

David Garabana Barro ha scritto:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 09:43:15 Francesco de Virgilio wrote:
> 
>> this is just a little question flogging in my mind since 2008.12 was
>> released: when will we have a lower power-consumption kernel, getting
>> the Neo FreeRunner usable for 3 or 4 days (suspending it frequently)?
> 
> You should try FSO 5 or unstable SHR.
> 
> With latest unstable SHR image, after 40 hours mostly suspended I had about 
> 50% battery.
> 
> battery life is improving a lot!
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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Daniel.Li]

On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:13 -0300, Tomas Riveros Schober wrote:
> You need to install the qt4-dev-tools, libqt4-dev packages (i think
> that 
> should pull all dependencies, else just search for qt4 and install
> what 
> you see fit)

Humm,, I know what u mean. I have tried this, but it seems didn't work. 
I think there must be something else that should be installed.

$ sudo apt-get install libqt4-dev qt4-dev-tools
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
libqt4-dev is already the newest version.
qt4-dev-tools is already the newest version.
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Davide Scaini]

i tried that kernel a week ago and the wlan was not working so i just
removed it and went back to 24... i thought the there was a reason why
it wasn't listed in updates ;-)
sorry next time i'll open a thead immediately
d


On 2/21/09, Marcel  wrote:
> Am Saturday 21 February 2009 15:04:52 schrieb arne anka:
>> > d-a318:~# apt-cache search openmoko
>>
>> yes, taht what i did now, and indeed, there it was. but i somehow expected
>> apt-get dist-upgrade to offer the new kernel ... any known reasons why the
>> upgrade is not offered automatically?
>
> I guess there are/were some issues with the new kernel and noone bothered to
> make apt fetch it automatically now...
> At least I could not find any issues yet. And the kernel seems to have fixed
> the random wakeup (put neo in suspend in the evening, battery empty in the
> morning -> resumed somewhere in between and drained the battery).
>
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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Fernando Martins]

Adam Jimerson wrote:
>
> My big problem is that the freerunner stays active for 30 seconds, but 
> dfu-util takes 3 minutes before it even tries to connect, by this time 
> it just spits out an error about how it can't find the device.  I am 
> using the USB cable that came in the OM package, I can deffinitly try 
> a different USB port, good thing my computer has a lot of those it 
> seems.  As for the setting menu not working on my phone does this work 
> in 2008.12?  This now my biggest reason for wanting to flash it, 
> without access to settings there is not much I can do to it.
I'm using dfu-util 0.1 under ubuntu 8.10 and it is instantaneous to 
detect the FR, most of the times. When it doesn't work immediately, I 
just restart the connection procedure. At 2nd or 3d try it has worked.

Have you tried to connect other usb devices on the same port? Is it 
recognised immediately by Suse?

Fernando

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Tomas Riveros Schober]

Daniel.Li escribió:
> Dear Andrew,
> Thanks for the great work.
>
> I'm using ubuntu 8.10 to compile the Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK.
> I have updated qt lib on ubuntu, still can't fix the problem? 
> Any ideas?
>
> $ $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo -D _FORTIFY_SOURCE=0
>
> This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.
>
> You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
> Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.
>
> Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
> Type 'no' to decline this license offer.
>
> Do you accept this license agreement? yes
>
> Testing the system Qt: FAIL
> Qt Extended requires Qt 4.3 or higher to be installed.
> You must have qmake in your PATH.
> If your system's package manager does not provide Qt 4 development
> libraries
> please see the Guide to Configuring and Building Qt Extended for
> information
> on how to build Qt from the included source or pass -build-qt to
> configure
> and it will build Qt for you (and then bootstrap QBuild from that).
> make: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 2
>
>
> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 15:23 +, and...@howlett.net wrote:
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
>> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
>> details:
>>
>> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:R
>> dagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
>>
>> later,
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You need to install the qt4-dev-tools, libqt4-dev packages (i think that 
should pull all dependencies, else just search for qt4 and install what 
you see fit)

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[matthias]

Try this:

arecord -D hw -f S16_LE -t wav -c 1 -r 8000 ~/rec-$(date
+%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav

should work. -c is for the channels.

Matthias


kimaidou schrieb:
> Hi !
>
> I totally agree with you, i will implement this for the 0.2 version
> For the mono thing, I would like it but I don't know yet how to do it.
> This is why when you open a wav recorded file with audacity, you can
> see the 2 left and right side, but only the right has data... This is
> not good. So if someone knwos the parameter to put in arecord to
> record only one mono sound, this would help !
>
>
> 2009/2/21 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen  >
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:40PM +0100, kimaidou wrote:
>
> > arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav
>
>   I think 44100 Hz is overkill for something like this. 8 kHz
> ought to be
> enough and would save a lot of disk space. I would have also
> suggested a
> mono recording, but I'm not sure that is supported.
>
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Andy Green  writes:
> Well, your consumption is roughly double that of Mickey's... 10h is
> worth 16% of his battery and 30% of yours.

What does current_now say to you immediately after resume? Here the
values are I see

Sat Feb 21 00:01:00 EET 2009 35812 uA
Sat Feb 21 02:01:01 EET 2009 35812 uA
Sat Feb 21 04:01:06 EET 2009 34125 uA
Sat Feb 21 06:01:00 EET 2009 34500 uA
Sat Feb 21 08:01:04 EET 2009 34312 uA
Sat Feb 21 10:01:00 EET 2009 33750 uA
Sat Feb 21 12:01:15 EET 2009 33750 uA
Sat Feb 21 14:00:55 EET 2009 33375 uA

Shouldn't these measure consumption during suspend?


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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Marcel]

Am Saturday 21 February 2009 15:04:52 schrieb arne anka:
> > d-a318:~# apt-cache search openmoko
>
> yes, taht what i did now, and indeed, there it was. but i somehow expected
> apt-get dist-upgrade to offer the new kernel ... any known reasons why the
> upgrade is not offered automatically?

I guess there are/were some issues with the new kernel and noone bothered to 
make apt fetch it automatically now...
At least I could not find any issues yet. And the kernel seems to have fixed 
the random wakeup (put neo in suspend in the evening, battery empty in the 
morning -> resumed somewhere in between and drained the battery).

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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[Daniel.Li]

Dear Andrew,
Thanks for the great work.

I'm using ubuntu 8.10 to compile the Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK.
I have updated qt lib on ubuntu, still can't fix the problem? 
Any ideas?

$ $QTOPIA_DEPOT_PATH/configure -device neo -D _FORTIFY_SOURCE=0

This is the Qt Extended Open Source Edition.

You are licensed to use this software under the terms of the GPL.
Please see the file LICENSE.GPL for the licensing terms.

Type 'yes' to accept this license offer.
Type 'no' to decline this license offer.

Do you accept this license agreement? yes

Testing the system Qt: FAIL
Qt Extended requires Qt 4.3 or higher to be installed.
You must have qmake in your PATH.
If your system's package manager does not provide Qt 4 development
libraries
please see the Guide to Configuring and Building Qt Extended for
information
on how to build Qt from the included source or pass -build-qt to
configure
and it will build Qt for you (and then bootstrap QBuild from that).
make: *** [src/build/mkconf/configure] Error 2


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> Hi all,
> 
> Just getting started with FreeRuner and thought I would share my
> experience building Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK. Follow this link for the
> details:
> 
> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Radagast#Qt_Extended_SDK
> 
> later,
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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Andy Green]

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:
| Andy Green  writes:
|> | Sat Feb 21 02:01:01 EET 2009 65 %
|> | Sat Feb 21 04:01:06 EET 2009 58 %
|> | Sat Feb 21 06:01:00 EET 2009 52 %
|> | Sat Feb 21 08:01:04 EET 2009 45 %
|> | Sat Feb 21 10:01:00 EET 2009 38 %
|> | Sat Feb 21 12:01:15 EET 2009 32 %
|>
|> What kernel is this?  I know you usually run something near HEAD?
|
| Also please note that after each test call the phone opens a gprs
| connection and sends a short status report to nagios monitoring system
| which can then alert me if the phone is not responding to calls. This
| GPRS connection lasts around 1-3 minutes and probably contributes to
| the energy consumption.

Well, your consumption is roughly double that of Mickey's... 10h is
worth 16% of his battery and 30% of yours.

I am sure something real is going on there but with the possibility of
very different GSM environments, where it has direct access to the
battery, I don't know how to come at it except to see how a GTA02 acts
for me next week.

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

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Somebody in the thread at some point said:

| I think you will get > 3 hours with the FR and gps - I had it on full
| brightness (no suspend and screen on) for about 3 hours - then events/0
| runaway killed it :(  Thats with 2008.12, maybe FSO/SHR will be even
| better?

This events/0 thing is solved for a long while in later kernel versions.

On the one hand it's hard enough to solve these issues, but on the other
hand the distros need to adapt to later kernels, or nothing changes for
the end user no matter what we're fixing.

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[arne anka]

> d-a318:~# apt-cache search openmoko

yes, taht what i did now, and indeed, there it was. but i somehow expected  
apt-get dist-upgrade to offer the new kernel ... any known reasons why the  
upgrade is not offered automatically?

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Marcel]

Am Saturday 21 February 2009 14:46:38 schrieb arne anka:
> > I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian
> > repo)
>
> how did you get it?
> apt-get dist-upgrade does not list another kernel (but 2.6.24).

d-a318:~# apt-cache search openmoko
[...]
linux-image-2.6.24-openmoko-gta02 - Linux 2.6.24 kernel image for the Openmoko 
Neo Freerunner
linux-image-2.6.28-openmoko-gta02 - Linux 2.6.28 kernel image for the Openmoko 
Neo Freerunner
[...]

Simply installed the package then.

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Nick]

Thomas,

I agree with you about the train and people in the train.
what about bad gps hdop,... ?

I agree your approach  will be probably enought for assited GPS.
(anyone knows the precision needed ?)

but I don't think this is the right one for the other services mentionned.

Thinking of a high quality "my position" service (google kind),
we will not achieve it not treating gps hdop, gps speed...

so to be constructive in order to merge our databases,
would you be ready to collect gps speed, gps (hvp)dop and make these 
info available
in your (very large) measures file ?

 From this, I could provide you with a new mapping manager that identify
the cells position calculated with gps (hvp)dop, gps speed when these 
values are available
the cells position calculated with no gps (hvp)dop, gps speed because 
these values are not available

We would have only one database with both quantity (the whole database)
and quality for some cells. (Hoping that the best quality,
would be available for all the cells in the future)

what do you think about it ?

regards,
Nick

Thomas Landspurg a écrit :
>
>
> 2009/2/20 Nick mailto:realtimeb...@gmail.com>>
>
> Thomas,
>
> After trying to reach you a few times last year,
> i am really glad to have some news from you now.
>
>
>   The easiest way is to use the email mentionned in the Web page! ;-)
>  
>
>
> I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great
> thing to merge our projects !
>
> The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !
>
> My concern would be about the quality of your data .
>
> you still mention on the front page
>
> "Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to
> go to
> Navizon
> who provides top services and databases."
>
> what do you mean ?
>
>
>
>  Tihs mean that there are company that have created huge databases of 
> high quality by spendig a lot of money on it, and they make money by 
> selling these data. Navizon pays his users for this, and other are 
> throwing a lot of money on this too, by sending people doing measures, 
> or by buying operators database. That's exactly the same difference 
> between OpenStreetMap and Navteq/Teleatlas. OpenStreetMap is free, 
> provided by the community, but of a lower quality than their 
> commercial counterpart except on some specific area not covered by 
> these equivalents. Of course, the objective is to reach the same 
> quality, but this will take time.
>  
>  
>
>
> and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that
> for instance
> gps speed,  gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available
>  (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !),
>
>
> A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real
> position ...
> What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it
> can work in planes...)
>
>
>
>   Let's go back to the basics: the objective of these database if to 
> provied an positionning to create services using localisation on top 
> of this database. Let's take the sample of an high speed train: there 
> is high chances that all the sample will came from people in the train 
> itself, and not from the neighbour outside (train don't go at 300 km/h 
> in high density area). So this mean that the REAL position of the cell 
> will never be accuratly computed, which is not an issue, because the 
> only interesting information is the user position. So sampling mesures 
> even some errors is fine as long as it works fine to get user position.
>   So the philosophy behing opencellid was to reach the 80/20 ratio: 
> acheiving the 80% of functionality will require only 20% of the time 
> needed to do these 100% functionality. So that's why we have a simple 
> and elegant API, that is used by different devices with different 
> capacities, while acheiving exactly this objective: providing an 
> accurate cell id positionning.
>
>
>
> In my opinion, considering the following services
>
> *** asisted gps
> *** "cell id" to google "my position" kind of service
> *** "cell id" to "town name" service
>
>
>
>  the real questions are:
> what precision do we need for openmoko location service through
> gsm cell
> id ?
> what precision our possibly merged database would provide ?
>
>
> Assisted GPS does not require huge precision. I am not an expert, but 
> I would be curious to know what is the precision needed to get an 
> assisted GPS. Using triangulation is a different story, and this 
> obvisouly will work fine only in high density area, where you also 
> have high density cells. So again, there is a direct correlation 
> between the precision and the density of the area.
>   Note also that OpenCellID use LAC (Local Area Code) to provide an 
> alternate positioning with a lower precision if a cell is not know, 
> but if the LAC is know. Typically other cells has been discovered 

Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[arne anka]

> I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian  
> repo)

how did you get it?
apt-get dist-upgrade does not list another kernel (but 2.6.24).

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Marcel]

Am Saturday 21 February 2009 14:23:46 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
> Marcel  writes:
> > I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian
> > repo) yesterday. Today, wanting to use the neo as a webradio receiver
> > connected to the stereo, I noticed that eth0, the wlan device, is gone.
> > (No it doesn't have another name, ifconfig -a only shows up usb0 and lo.)
>
> Can you try
>
> echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_wlan/power_on
> echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/unbind 2> /dev/null >
> /dev/null echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/bind
>
> where the variables are
>
> $ grep wlan .sysfsrc
> export sys_pm_wlan=/sys/bus/platform/drivers/gta02-pm-wlan/gta02-pm-wlan.0
> export sys_wlan_driver=/sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi
>
> ?

Argh. A week or so I always wondered why the wlan chip gets turned on 
automatically after each suspend. Now it does not anymore. Result: Wlan chip 
is turned off, therefore no wlan device. Dammit.
Timo, you saved me once again, thanks! :)

> > I have no idea where to check next, there seems to be really wrong
> > with /proc/bus/pci (which comes from where?).
>
> There's no PCI in freerunner.

That explains the issue... :)

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Re: [Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Marcel  writes:
> I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian repo) 
> yesterday. Today, wanting to use the neo as a webradio receiver connected to 
> the stereo, I noticed that eth0, the wlan device, is gone. (No it doesn't 
> have another name, ifconfig -a only shows up usb0 and lo.)

Can you try

echo 1 | sudo tee $sys_pm_wlan/power_on
echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/unbind 2> /dev/null > /dev/null
echo s3c2440-sdi | sudo tee $sys_wlan_driver/bind

where the variables are

$ grep wlan .sysfsrc
export sys_pm_wlan=/sys/bus/platform/drivers/gta02-pm-wlan/gta02-pm-wlan.0
export sys_wlan_driver=/sys/bus/platform/drivers/s3c2440-sdi

? 

> I have no idea where to check next, there seems to be really wrong 
> with /proc/bus/pci (which comes from where?).

There's no PCI in freerunner.


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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

William Kenworthy  writes:
> I think you will get > 3 hours with the FR and gps - I had it on full
> brightness (no suspend and screen on) for about 3 hours - then events/0

Well, don't keep the screen on, that will eat the battery :-)

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www.opkg.org ‒ source code released!

[Tobias Kündig]

Dear Community,

For nearly two month there was no update from www.opkg.org. The reason 
for it is pretty simple: I had no time to develop anything for the 
website. At the moment there's a whole lot going on around here. 
However, I'm really pleased, that there are already 100+ packages in the 
database. Thanks to everyone who made this possible.

But there are still some features needed, like a better comment system 
with email notifications, for example.

So it wondered what I could do to solve this problem. Finding a solution 
then was pretty simple: There are lots of great web developers out 
there, people who know a whole lot more than I do. So I decided to 
publish the opkg.org source code. This way _anyone_ can help developing 
new features for www.opkg.org. I'm sure there are some great developers 
with great ideas out there.

If you want to help developing www.opkg.org, head over to 
http://www.opkg.org/developer.html and get the latest snapshot.

If there are questions, please feel free to contact me.
I hope that this will help making www.opkg.org even better than it is 
today ;)!

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Andy Green  writes:
> | Sat Feb 21 02:01:01 EET 2009 65 %
> | Sat Feb 21 04:01:06 EET 2009 58 %
> | Sat Feb 21 06:01:00 EET 2009 52 %
> | Sat Feb 21 08:01:04 EET 2009 45 %
> | Sat Feb 21 10:01:00 EET 2009 38 %
> | Sat Feb 21 12:01:15 EET 2009 32 %
>
> What kernel is this?  I know you usually run something near HEAD?

Also please note that after each test call the phone opens a gprs
connection and sends a short status report to nagios monitoring system
which can then alert me if the phone is not responding to calls. This
GPRS connection lasts around 1-3 minutes and probably contributes to
the energy consumption.



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[Debian] No wlan device with 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26

[Marcel]

Hello,

I installed kernel 2.6.28-20090105.git69b2aa26 (.28 kernel from Debian repo) 
yesterday. Today, wanting to use the neo as a webradio receiver connected to 
the stereo, I noticed that eth0, the wlan device, is gone. (No it doesn't 
have another name, ifconfig -a only shows up usb0 and lo.)
Trying to check lspci, I got this:

d-a318:~# lspci
pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
lspci: Cannot find any working access method.

Eeeh. Wtfomgbbq? :)
I have no idea where to check next, there seems to be really wrong 
with /proc/bus/pci (which comes from where?).
Any hints?

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[William Kenworthy]

I think you will get > 3 hours with the FR and gps - I had it on full
brightness (no suspend and screen on) for about 3 hours - then events/0
runaway killed it :(  Thats with 2008.12, maybe FSO/SHR will be even
better?

BillK

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 12:41 +0100, David Garabana Barro wrote:
> On Friday 20 February 2009 10:36:18 Gunnar Aastrand Grimnes wrote:
> 
> > What the top poster is asking is when do I get 3 days of GPS tracking -
> > and I guess the answer is never?
> 
> Don't know if the GPS chip in FR is specially power-hungry, but for example 
> my 
> Tomtom ONE battery lasts only 2-3 hours.
> 
> As said bellow, I think you should use external power for GPS...
> 
> What I was trying to say is that only 3 months ago, my battery life was < 24 
> h 
> even suspended all the time.
> Being ~50% after 40 hours is a HUGE improvement :)
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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 13:48, arne anka  wrote:
>> Thanks for the dbus lines - saved me some
>> research to find them!
>
> does the mdbus calls work for you with a recent frameworkd (ie ms5)?
> every attempt to do something like this dies on my debian/fso with an auth
> error -- be i root or not.

To me on shr-unstable it works.

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[arne anka]

> Thanks for the dbus lines - saved me some
> research to find them!

does the mdbus calls work for you with a recent frameworkd (ie ms5)?
every attempt to do something like this dies on my debian/fso with an auth  
error -- be i root or not.

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[William Kenworthy]

tkx, I was hoping yaml would be the SHR way to do it, but it isnt up to
the job as far as I can see.  Thanks for the dbus lines - saved me some
research to find them!

BillK


On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 13:36 +0100, Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> So simply use script wrapper to tangoGPS:
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
> org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'CPU'
> mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
> org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'Display'
> /usr/bin/tangogps
> mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
> org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'CPU'
> mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
> org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'Display'
> 
> I believe using dbus-send would be faster, if you think mdbus is too
> slow, please look at it. You also can try to run all of mdbus calls in
> background by adding "&" on end of each line.
> 
> dos
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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Johny Tenfinger]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 13:36, Johny Tenfinger  wrote:
> So simply use script wrapper to tangoGPS:

Eh, line wrapping... Without #!/bin/sh there are only five lines. I
hope you will read it correctly ;)

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Johny Tenfinger]

So simply use script wrapper to tangoGPS:

#!/bin/sh
mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'CPU'
mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.RequestResource 'Display'
/usr/bin/tangogps
mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'CPU'
mdbus -s org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage /org/shr/ophonekitd/Usage
org.shr.ophonekitd.Usage.ReleaseResource 'Display'

I believe using dbus-send would be faster, if you think mdbus is too
slow, please look at it. You also can try to run all of mdbus calls in
background by adding "&" on end of each line.

dos

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Mirko Lindner]

Hej,

are you looking for this file :
/etc/freesmartphone/oevents/rules.yaml
?
look for:

actions: Suspend()

Hope it helps,

/mirko


W.Kenworthy wrote:
> I'am using a recent shr-unstable and trying to work out a way to stop
> the thing suspending when using GPS.  I think I also saw an email in the
> past asking how to do this using a yaml rule but cant find it - can
> someone point me in the right direction please.
> 
> BillK
> 
> 
> 
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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[William Kenworthy]

Tkx, but what I was hoping for was a way to say
"If tangogps is running, dont turn screen off or suspend, even if on
battery"

If I am using gps, there are two scenarios - I am using it to navigate
hence I am looking at the screen, or I am waiting for a lock.  Having it
continually dimming or suspending might be desirable to save battery
life, but its REALLY annoying when on the bike :)

It would be much nicer if the FR could put itself into the correct
configuration automaticly, not for me to open the settings, then open
power, then change the settings, only to go through the whole rigmorole
again when Ive finished with gps 

If yaml wont do it, might have to resort to perl and dbus 

BillK



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> Now you can enable and disable auto-suspending and auto-dimming in
> shr-settings (under Power settings there are two toggles).
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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Adam Jimerson]

On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Fernando Martins wrote:

> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it
> > with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the
> > images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),
> > according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set
> > up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it.
> > The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to backup
> > the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the
> > freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1.
> Intermittent errors typically point out to hardware problems. I guess
> you are using a new USB cable from the OM package, so try connecting it
> to a different USB port / computer. Anyway I also had some unreliability
> issues with the USB connection, including device not found and flashes
> with errors. One aspect is that the order of connecting seems important:
> that is, connect one end of the cable, switch on OM to boot from NOR
> flash, connect the other end of the cable.
>
> Do not reboot with the cable linked: it has always locked with me.
>
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My big problem is that the freerunner stays active for 30 seconds, but
dfu-util takes 3 minutes before it even tries to connect, by this time it
just spits out an error about how it can't find the device.  I am using the
USB cable that came in the OM package, I can deffinitly try a different USB
port, good thing my computer has a lot of those it seems.  As for the
setting menu not working on my phone does this work in 2008.12?  This now my
biggest reason for wanting to flash it, without access to settings there is
not much I can do to it.
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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Al Johnson]

On Saturday 21 February 2009, Johny Tenfinger wrote:
> Now you can enable and disable auto-suspending and auto-dimming in
> shr-settings (under Power settings there are two toggles).

That's the answer to a different question though.

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Re: yaml rule to stop suspending when using gps

[Johny Tenfinger]

Now you can enable and disable auto-suspending and auto-dimming in
shr-settings (under Power settings there are two toggles).

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

Andy Green  writes:
> What kernel is this?  I know you usually run something near HEAD?

andy-tracking b8b36e5ec3db71d5

> What is the status of WLAN, BT and GPS in each case?

At least according to my debug output they should all be off.


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Re: (Qi) Qi or bust?

[Paul]

> qi:   qi-s3c2442-...
> kernel:   uImage-2.6.28...
> image:fso-paroli-image-om-gta02.jffs2
>
> Boot into NOR and connect USB. Then run these commands:
>   

Sander was so kind to provide this information, and at first it looked 
that this was actually working. I put qi and the android-files on the 
FR. After booting I saw a few messages from Android that something was 
not right. I thought that was because the SD-card is not set up the way 
it should be, so I then flashed:

qi-s3c2442-master-hist_1665e43677c005a8.udfu
uImage-om-gta02-latest.bin (as uImage.bin)
shr-lite-image-om-gta02.jffs2

Now, after a hard reboot (battery removed), I see:
RCU detected CPU 0 stall
then a lot of errors, ending with an ECC error
A kernel panic that tries to kill init
and then it keeps telling me about CPU 0 stall, until I take out the 
battery again.

Have I now terminally murdered my FreeRunner?


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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Andy Green]

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|
| Was that with or without GSM deep sleep? Without deep sleep and
| automatic calls every two hours the battery does not last that long:
|
| Sat Feb 21 02:01:01 EET 2009 65 %
| Sat Feb 21 04:01:06 EET 2009 58 %
| Sat Feb 21 06:01:00 EET 2009 52 %
| Sat Feb 21 08:01:04 EET 2009 45 %
| Sat Feb 21 10:01:00 EET 2009 38 %
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What kernel is this?  I know you usually run something near HEAD?

What is the status of WLAN, BT and GPS in each case?

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Michael 'Mickey' Lauer]

Am Saturday 21 February 2009 11:33:15 schrieb Timo Juhani Lindfors:
> "Michael 'Mickey' Lauer"  writes:
> > FYI: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime
>
> Was that with or without GSM deep sleep?

Without deep sleep, since I'm suffering massively under #1024 (I'm the 
original poster of this bug).

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Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Fernando Martins]

Adam Jimerson wrote:
> I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to flash it 
> with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home and the 
> images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007 installed),  
> according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should not set 
> up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working with it.  
> The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to backup 
> the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the 
> freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE 11.1.
Intermittent errors typically point out to hardware problems. I guess 
you are using a new USB cable from the OM package, so try connecting it 
to a different USB port / computer. Anyway I also had some unreliability 
issues with the USB connection, including device not found and flashes 
with errors. One aspect is that the order of connecting seems important: 
that is, connect one end of the cable, switch on OM to boot from NOR 
flash, connect the other end of the cable.

Do not reboot with the cable linked: it has always locked with me.

Fernando

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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[kimaidou]

Hi !

I totally agree with you, i will implement this for the 0.2 version
For the mono thing, I would like it but I don't know yet how to do it. This
is why when you open a wav recorded file with audacity, you can see the 2
left and right side, but only the right has data... This is not good. So if
someone knwos the parameter to put in arecord to record only one mono sound,
this would help !


2009/2/21 Rask Ingemann Lambertsen 

> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:40PM +0100, kimaidou wrote:
>
> > arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav
>
>I think 44100 Hz is overkill for something like this. 8 kHz ought to be
> enough and would save a lot of disk space. I would have also suggested a
> mono recording, but I'm not sure that is supported.
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Re: [Debian]Voice recorder - ecasound --> Help

[Rask Ingemann Lambertsen]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:07:40PM +0100, kimaidou wrote:

> arecord -D hw -f cd  -v -t wav ~/rec-$(date +%Y-%m-%d-%H-%M).wav

   I think 44100 Hz is overkill for something like this. 8 kHz ought to be
enough and would save a lot of disk space. I would have also suggested a
mono recording, but I'm not sure that is supported.

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Re: [OM] Less power consumption

[Timo Juhani Lindfors]

"Michael 'Mickey' Lauer"  writes:
> FYI: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/StandbyLifetime

Was that with or without GSM deep sleep? Without deep sleep and
automatic calls every two hours the battery does not last that long:

Sat Feb 21 02:01:01 EET 2009 65 %
Sat Feb 21 04:01:06 EET 2009 58 %
Sat Feb 21 06:01:00 EET 2009 52 %
Sat Feb 21 08:01:04 EET 2009 45 %
Sat Feb 21 10:01:00 EET 2009 38 %
Sat Feb 21 12:01:15 EET 2009 32 %


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Re: Request to provide input on Sahana mobile application on Openmoko

[Ajay Kumar]

Hi All,
A gentle reminder and request to everyone subscribed on the list to
provide input through the survey I have created for the Sahana mobile
project I am working on right now.
So far, I have received only 6-10 responses from actual domain experts
and Sahana developers.
Since I am basing my developing on the Openmoko platform, I expect to
understand more about the system, and so far only a few less than 5-10
people from the Openmoko community have responded.

I am sure there are more available on the list, so I'd request you to fill
up the survey. Besides, it just takes 5-10 minutes of your time to fill it
up :)
The link to the survey is:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pWeVl6IM9h6UKAGOx231pFA

Your guidance and input will help me have a greater understanding of
the domain and its utility.

Thanks & Regards,

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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Thomas Landspurg]

2009/2/20 Onen 

> see comments inline...
>
> Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> >
> >
>  > - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is
> > heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information, and
> > this create some additional complexity. That's why this information is
> > for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was, if you want it,
> > it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table.
> >
>
> We thought about this. We also store the phone model, in order to
> possibly be able to use some data of known "good" phones, or simply the
> data of the same model as yours, etc...


 You can, but then, what about other project tht does not store these datas?
How to merge other atabases? So storing everything is fine as long as ALL
the data comes with the same precision or level of information, which is not
the case today.

>
>
> >
> > Good to see there is no client for openmoko, otherwise I may have
> worked
> > for nothing ;-)
> >
> >
> >  Yes, I've heard that other where working on such client too!
>
> Are the people behind CellHunter following this thread? Please jump in
> if so.
>

 We are already discussing to reintegrate their data in OpenCellID! :-)

>
> As there are also plans on embedding the database on the phone, and
> using it to locate, I would like to know if this part would interest
> you? Or only the server side and upload?
>
>
> The idea is to provide all the means to do so. So if there is anything
> that is needed to help you to do this, I would be happy to provide it.
> For instance, a way to send an area and get the list of cells in that
> area. I amalready working on such  functionality.

Great!
>
> >   But the switch to from OpenBMap to OpenCellID should be quite fast as
> > I assume that the API is probably the same, or very close to. (
> > http://www.opencellid.org/api )
> >
>
> For my part, the logging client, it can be easily adapted to feed other
> databases. For the location part, Nick knows this better than me.
>
> Onen
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Re: OpenCellID (was OpenBmap logger (GSM positioning)])

[Thomas Landspurg]

2009/2/20 Nick 

> Thomas,
>
> After trying to reach you a few times last year,
> i am really glad to have some news from you now.
>

  The easiest way is to use the email mentionned in the Web page! ;-)


>
> I am reponsible for the openBmap website. And yes, it would be a great
> thing to merge our projects !
>
> The number of logs you have is very impressive ! well done !
>
> My concern would be about the quality of your data .
>
> you still mention on the front page
>
> "Note:If you want a professional CellID Database, I suggest you to go to
> Navizon
> who provides top services and databases."
>
> what do you mean ?
>


 Tihs mean that there are company that have created huge databases of high
quality by spendig a lot of money on it, and they make money by selling
these data. Navizon pays his users for this, and other are throwing a lot of
money on this too, by sending people doing measures, or by buying operators
database. That's exactly the same difference between OpenStreetMap and
Navteq/Teleatlas. OpenStreetMap is free, provided by the community, but of a
lower quality than their commercial counterpart except on some specific area
not covered by these equivalents. Of course, the objective is to reach the
same quality, but this will take time.



>
> and after importing 800 000 of your gps points in january, I see that
> for instance
> gps speed,  gps hdop, gps pdop, gps vdop are not available
>  (at least at the begining of this huge measures.txt file !),
>

> A bad pdop, vdop, hdop and i am positioned at 1 km from my real position
> ...
> What if i am in a high speed train at 300 km/h? or in plane ? (yes, it
> can work in planes...)
>


  Let's go back to the basics: the objective of these database if to provied
an positionning to create services using localisation on top of this
database. Let's take the sample of an high speed train: there is high
chances that all the sample will came from people in the train itself, and
not from the neighbour outside (train don't go at 300 km/h in high density
area). So this mean that the REAL position of the cell will never be
accuratly computed, which is not an issue, because the only interesting
information is the user position. So sampling mesures even some errors is
fine as long as it works fine to get user position.
  So the philosophy behing opencellid was to reach the 80/20 ratio:
acheiving the 80% of functionality will require only 20% of the time needed
to do these 100% functionality. So that's why we have a simple and elegant
API, that is used by different devices with different capacities, while
acheiving exactly this objective: providing an accurate cell id
positionning.

>
>
> In my opinion, considering the following services
>
> *** asisted gps
> *** "cell id" to google "my position" kind of service
> *** "cell id" to "town name" service
>


>  the real questions are:
> what precision do we need for openmoko location service through gsm cell
> id ?
> what precision our possibly merged database would provide ?
>
>
Assisted GPS does not require huge precision. I am not an expert, but I
would be curious to know what is the precision needed to get an assisted
GPS. Using triangulation is a different story, and this obvisouly will work
fine only in high density area, where you also have high density cells. So
again, there is a direct correlation between the precision and the density
of the area.
  Note also that OpenCellID use LAC (Local Area Code) to provide an
alternate positioning with a lower precision if a cell is not know, but if
the LAC is know. Typically other cells has been discovered in the same area.

   So once you get CellID positionning, you can use reverse geocoding
service to get the town for instance.




> what do you think about the above considerations ?
>
> really glad to hear from you !
>
> regards,
> Nick
>
> Thomas Landspurg a écrit :
> >
> >
> > 2009/2/20 Onen http://onen.om>@free.fr >
> >
> > Hi Thomas,
> >
> > Thomas Landspurg wrote:
> > >
> > >   Dear OpenMoko community (and thanks ed for pointing this out).
> > >
> > >   I am behind the opencellid.org 
> >  project, and it
> > > seems that there are some discussion around it these day on the
> > mailing
> > > list.
> > >
> >
> > Last month, and today, indeed.
> >
> >
> > Yes, I've get to it today! It's a pity not to have been notified of
> > such discussion before. I've been through them, and I want to add some
> > clarification about difference between database:
> >
> > - OpenCellID can also store signal strengh. But one of the issue, is
> > heterogenity between datas. Some client don't have this information,
> > and this create some additional complexity. That's why this
> > information is for now only stored but not yet used. And in all was,
> > if you want it, it's in the measure table, and not in the cell table.
> >
> > - About the barycenter of the area/instea

Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time

[Gunnar AAstrand Grimnes]

> Re: Need help flashing my freerunner for the first time
Congratulations - it wont be your last :)

On my machine dfu-util is quite picky about when to work, my workflow is
like this:

Start freerunner in flashing mode, watch /var/log/messages till USB
device is there...

run:

sudo dfu-util -a kernel -R -D file (or whatever)

over and over again, until it reports an error "device lost after reset"
(or something like this)

run:

sudo dfu-util -l

over and over again, until it lists several lines of devices.

then run the first line again and it THEN it works. Flashing the rootfs
will occasionally fail, just do it again.

When I say over and over again it is often 20-30 times :)

This may seem akward, but you get used to it :)

Cheers,
- Gunnar


Adam Jimerson wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:09 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson
>  > wrote:
> 
> Adam Jimerson wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Shawn Trash Thompson
> >  
> >  >> wrote:
> >
> > Adam Jimerson wrote:
> > > I just got my freerunner today and when I have been trying to
> > flash it
> > > with OM 2008.12 now that it is charged (comparing my Home
> and the
> > > images on the wiki I don't even think it came with 2007
> installed),
> > > according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing I should
> not set
> > > up a usb0 connection but dfu-util doesn't seem to be working
> > with it.
> > > The "dfu-util -l" only sees it half the time and when I try to
> > backup
> > > the Kernel with "dfu-util -a kernel -R -U good-kernel.img" the
> > > freerunner just times out.  The host that I am using is openSUSE
> > 11.1.
> > >
> >
> 
> > >
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> > >
> > Adam,
> >  Are you using the super-user account?
> > -Shawn
> >
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> > Yes I am using the super-user account
> >
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> hopefully someone else will have more info then, other than not using
> root priv or equivalent I'm out of ideas, all I've seen issues with is
> having multiple DFU capable devices but that doesn't sound like the
> problem either.
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> Apon further investigation I seems like I have 2008.xx installed my
> screen looks like this http://openmoko.com/download.html, but the
> settings app does not load, the loading screen comes up but nothing
> lanches so I can't configure it to my wifi and I can't seem to find
> terminal if it is installed by default.
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Re: Qt Extended 4.4.2 SDK Build Instructions

[clare johnstone]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Filip Onkelinx  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using my own QtExtended image, based on :
>
> QtExtended 4.4.3 snapshot (13 Feb 2009 version)
> Kernel 2.6.28
> Based on Hackable1 (debian based rootfs, giving me easy access to all
> commandline tools. It is also possible to 'switch' between Qt & X.
> running from µ-SD

Very good news,
I hope this means that you will make available images for an SD card;

Thanking you,
clare

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