Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The name Of God

Thanks alot for your attentoins ;


On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Ken Young wrote:
> dehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .
>
> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
> programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>
I was c++ & PHP programmer before but now i'm not ;
anda should be someone a pro programmer to use openmoko ?
(chera afsoos?)

>SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?
How about keyboard ?Is it possible to use farsi or at least arabic key
board without problem ?

>Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
>method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
> By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
>QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
>makes a Farsi keyboard
what is input method ?so how did you send that message ?
you can test with arabic keyboard .

Regards dehqan

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[carmen]

> difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like 
> LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next 
> moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with 
> mass collaboration.

how so? iphone/pre/blackberry/winmo all offer similarly polished experiences, 
mature solutions with no real edge among any of the competitors

im certainly hoping FIC can get their act together with 3G and a camera, but 
have no probs waiting for Acer/ASUS to 'accidentally' ship a phone that happens 
to run a vanilla kernel..

ive narrowed down to giving my money to taiwan, anwyays :)

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Ben Wong]

> My biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
> (which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
> not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
> of the cost.

Not to disagree, I'd like to share that in the short time I've been
using my Freerunner as my only phone it has been much, MUCH, more
reliable than my previous "smart" phone.  I had a Samsung SPH-N400
which, besides having some incredibly brain dead bugs, which I could
go on for hours about, had terrible problems with non-reentrant code.
That is, when two events would happen nearly simultaneously, say
answering the phone and unplugging it from the power, it would often
crash.  I even managed to get it to crash by simply pressing the same
button too rapidly.  I got very practiced at removing and replacing
the battery quickly.  Now mind you, the N400 is a phone that was
offered by a major carrier (Sprint) in the US and was supposedly fully
supported.  I exchanged the N400 several times and also had them try
flashing different firmware on it.  It didn't help, it simply shifted
the bugs around.


> The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
> couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
> If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
> engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
> that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
> demoralized) volunteers.

The present tense is correct, the Freerunner *has* great potential.
It is still the only device even close to being a _Free_ phone, and it
will reach that in time.  As for what can be achieved by a
loosely-organized group of unpaid volunteers... well, do you really
need me to list all the Open Source success stories which started with
even less than we have?

I believe the Freerunner will be a success story.  The freeing of the
cell phone is a revolution on the order of the personal computer
revolution.  The only question is, Will the Freerunner be more like
the MITS Altair 8800, which led by inspiration or will it be like the
IBM PC, whose framework was widely copied to become a de facto
standard?

--Ben Wong

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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Wolfgang Spraul]

Christoph,
Openmoko phones are MP3-free and thus do not infringe on any MP3 
intellectual property.
Wolfgang

Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> side (trademarks).
>> 
>
> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller  
> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize  
> their Freerunner order anytime.
>
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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Wolfgang Spraul]

David,

> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.

You have a good memory! :-)
Yes, we were working with the Software Freedom Law Center in New York on 
our patent strategy.
There was a decision of the US Supreme Court that undid some of the 
ongoing work.
Don't expect anything to come out fast, but it's still moving.

Wolfgang

David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
>
> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.
>
> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson :
>   
>> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> 
 It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
 support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
 support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
 side (trademarks).
 
>>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>>>   
>> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
>> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
>> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from
>> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
>> more do you expect them to do?
>>
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.22

[c_c]

Hi,

Cameron Frazier wrote:
> 
>>in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):
>>elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)
> 
 Thanks. That helped. I needed to update my elementary libs on the laptop
too. So here's the latest version - without the bouncing - and yes it's a
lot simpler to use.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n3034171/launcher_0.22_arm.ipk
launcher_0.22_arm.ipk 
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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Dale Schumacher]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Boris Wong wrote:
> Steve Mosher wrote:
>> 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
>>
> I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it
> as such.
...snip...
> Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run
> linux.

I'm totally on-board with this message, vision and mission.  The
problem is--after all this time, that vision remains unfulfilled.  My
biggest disappointment has been the fact that my Openmoko Freerunner
(which I've had since helping form the Austin buying group) is still
not _nearly_ as reliable as any cheap simple handset I can get for 10%
of the cost.  The Freerunner had (has?) great potential, but we
couldn't realize that potential without basic reliable functionality.
If the concerted efforts of many talented (in some cases even paid)
engineers couldn't achieve that basic milestone, it seems unlikely
that it will be achieved by a loosely-organized group of unpaid (and
demoralized) volunteers.

I truly hope I'm wrong--and I applaud the efforts of those who
continue to strive for this goal.  I also want to express my thanks
for the efforts of all those who have worked so long and hard trying
to achieve this vision.

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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Boris Wong]

Hi Steve,

Steve Mosher wrote:
> 1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily
>   
I actually like the perspective of #1 very much and you should keep it 
as such. As I am to understand, the core philosophy of Openmoko is the 
"Free the Phone". There are many platform hardware devices out there 
that are open. Stressing that it is the _phone_ makes the biggest 
difference. It causes a revolution where major phone manufacturers like 
LG, Samsung, Nokia, etc. will start trembling to figure out their next 
moves as the community thrives to make something so much better with 
mass collaboration.

Free the phone; we already have multi-purpose platform devices that run 
linux.

-Boris


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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Ben Wong]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Sebastian
Krzyszkowiak wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Young wrote:
>> dehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
>> [...]
>>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .
>>
>> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
>> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
>> programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>>
>> Ken Young
>
> SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?

I just partially tested this out and, yes, Farsi SMS can be sent and
received with SHR.  Now, I don't speak Persian, so I just cut and
pasted a bit of Obama's Nowruz address from the web (via Midori).  The
SMS sending program doesn't have a Paste menu item, but Ctrl+V works.
Although the text was left justified, the characters were received in
the proper right-to-left order.

Of course, I say "partially" tested, because I didn't try out an input
method.  If someone could do that, I'd be curious to know if it works.
 By the way, I believe SCIM can handle Persian transliteration from a
QWERTY keyboard, so that might be a quick work around until someone
makes a Farsi keyboard.

--Ben

P.S. This is what I sent:
‫سخنان پرزیدنت باراک اوباما‬
 ‫جشن نوروز‬
   ‫واشنگتن دی سی‬

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Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service

[Boris Wong]

Warren Baird wrote:
> Will this offer be availble in Canada also?   
I live in Vancouver BC, and have just sent two Freerunners in today. You 
just have to pay for the shipping back.
> to avoid dealing with customs?
I'm not entirely sure how customs works, but we are not purchasing 
products from the US nor are we selling. We are receiving a free service 
and we just pay for shipping to and from ("ship to" by going to a postal 
office and "ship back" by ordering and paying on their site).

Hopefully they won't charge me anything. And I don't remember if they 
use UPS service, but the UPS service is known to charge extreme amounts 
on duties since they have their "private brokerage services", which 
could potentially cost more than the Freerunner itself. =/ Here's to hoping!

-Boris


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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Werner Almesberger]

Christoph Pulster wrote:
> I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention.

openmoko-kernel used to be very busy. Now it's a bit more quiet
with kernel maintenance being rearranged, but I expect it to
pick up some more activity again before too long.

Also, these days, the most active participants all use IRC and
much of the small coordination happens there.

> The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD  
> software,

gta02-core is a very young project and I'm rather pleased with
the way it's growing. There are 1-2 people joining for active
participation every week, and some more are just lurking for now.

If active participants joined at a higher rate, it would actually
be difficult to give them the attention they deserve and to
integrate them into the project. (In fact, I already built up a
bit of a backlog for this week. Shouldn't dwell in this mail too
long ...)

If you don't like the strange CAD files, you may find
http://people.openmoko.org/werner/gta02-core/gta02-core-expanded-all.ps.gz
easier on your eyes ;-)

- Werner

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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Chris Samuel]

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:56:14 pm Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a
> stable 2.6.28-based kernel?

It's 2.6.24mw-g291a9d50 - much older!

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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

2009/6/5 Tim Schmidt :
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosher wrote:
>> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
>> the position,
>> held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
>> required
>> to apply for a license.
>
> So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer
> above a few mips?
in short yes, in Spain is even more blooding, because apart of format
war licences in customs, there is local  agency called SGAE that
succeeds in make pay a fee for any device not only able to play mp3
but any kind of music, and that's not all, not only to play but to
keep any kind of multimedia format (this include CD/DVD-R, HD,
SDCards)
Is no matter of common sense or logic, now a days with law at hand,
they can do it and they do. Then is your work to demonstrate in court
you are right but meanwhile you are totally fuc$%ed. Scaring ,isn't
it?
Steve the problem is that "some" holding the position, are the ones
that have enough money/power/time/knowledge to sue you, because even
If they know they can loose in the court, in a way or another you will
pay because you just can afford and stand in the whole long proccess,
is their daily routine.
>
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Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?

[The Digital Pioneer]

Ahh, so mine says 0350, so I guess I'm an A5. Thanks!
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Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?

[Michael T. Dean]

On 06/05/2009 04:25 PM, The Digital Pioneer wrote:
> I would like to know which hardware revision my phone has. I'm sure 
> this has been explained again and again, and I'm sorry to keep beating 
> the dead horse, but I still don't know what revision I have. I'm 
> pretty sure it's before A7, but is it A5 or A6?...

http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/FAQ#How_do_I_find_out_what_version_of_hardware_I_have.3F

Mike

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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Tim Schmidt]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:26 PM, Steve Mosher wrote:
> I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is
> the position,
> held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is
> required
> to apply for a license.

So these dolts want a license fee for every turing complete computer
above a few mips?

--tim

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Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?

[The Digital Pioneer]

I would like to know which hardware revision my phone has. I'm sure this has
been explained again and again, and I'm sorry to keep beating the dead
horse, but I still don't know what revision I have. I'm pretty sure it's
before A7, but is it A5 or A6?...
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Re: Do I need the buzz-fix?

[Leonti Bielski]

If you generally stay in the same area and don't experience buzz you
may not need it.

If you move a lot in some conditions you may experience it or may not,
so you should get a fix just in case.

In nutshell - buzz is something every not reworked Freerunner has. You
may experience it or you may not depending on conditions. But your
phone still has it if not reworked.

Leonti

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Warren Baird wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix
> operation done.  Since I switched to
> http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a
> few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple
> of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but
> that the audio quality was tolerable.  With most other state files I've had
> so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand
> me.
>
> In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated "The
> Buzz rework is only required if  you have the Buzz problem. If your device
> does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of
> users have experienced it. "
>
> However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in
> http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state "conclusion:
> everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. "
>
> Is there some consensus on this?   Should everyone get the buzz-fix?   If
> not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Warren
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Where to purchase a new screen?

[Nick Van Fossen]

I need to get a new screen for my Freerunner.  Anyone know where to purchase 
one?  I tried contacting a few of the local distributors here in North America, 
but after a week I haven't even received an e-mail reply.  

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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

thanks for the nice comments!

Yorick Moko wrote:
> My personal preference goes out to openBmap,
> because I think they combine quality and quantity;
> quality: they log the most data (they are even working on TA)
> quantity: they have all the cells of cellhunter and opencellid
> 

For now, we only have the cells from oci, just to avoid misunderstanding.

> I could be mistaken but from what i heard from onen (the creator of
> openBmap) on ML and irc, I got the impression that he DOES want to
> work together,
> just not "only" sharing data, but i could be wrong
> 

For the records, Nick created openBmap, not me :-)

Onen


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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
>> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
>> prepare the data for that but it will happen.
> 
> BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?
> 

That is a very good point. As I stated in another email on this thread, 
if we would upload obm data to oci, we could only upload the subset of 
data it supports.

This annoys me, because if ch uploads to oci, and then obm import oci 
data, we lose some infos :-(

But if we import ch data directly, we have to manage not to import from 
oci data, what comes from ch, which is more work...

Onen


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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
>> the cellhunter data in in future.
> 
> That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded 
> lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by 
> boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, 
> exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by 
> writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit 
> my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API.
> 

You can find the Web based API from obm here:
http://realtimeblog.free.fr/api/openbmap_api.php

Feel free to tell if this does not fit your needs. Let me know what you 
need, to see what I can do for you.

I also have a prototype of D-bus service running on the phone, which 
uses local database built on top of obm data, to get my position. This 
is only a proof of concept, but it works.

> Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often 
> opencellid are imported into OBM?
> 

We import oci data in order to built better service right now to our 
users (see my other email for details). But we don't plan to do this 
very often. If you want to see your data in obm, the best way is to 
upload directly to it for sure. It gets processed right away.

> Cheers,
> Chris

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Sebastian Krzyszkowiak]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 21:25, Ken Young wrote:
> dehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
> [...]
>> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .
>
> I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
> phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
> programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)
>
> Ken Young

SHR supports UTF-8 and RTL languages. Isn't that enough?

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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Steve Mosher]

I am somewhat constrained in what I am able to say. On one view there is 
the position,
held by some, that any hardware that is merely CAPABLE of mp3 decode is 
required
to apply for a license.  MP3 was removed from our images long ago and 
from the
repositories. The requirements of the license agreement, without going 
into details, were beyond
our financial means.


Al Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>   
>>> It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>>> support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>>> support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>>> side (trademarks).
>>>   
>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>> 
>
> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their 
> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now 
> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from 
> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What 
> more do you expect them to do?
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Ken Young]

dehqa...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]
> I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .

I think it is very unlikely that you will be able to get an Openmoko
phone to work for you with Farsi text unless you able to do some
programming, or at least port some code.   (Afsoos mikhoram!)

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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Yorick Moko]

true,
But although I didn't do any actual testing myself, I read that
conversion mp3-->ogg sometimes doesn't sound good

y

On 6/5/09, Pieter Colpaert  wrote:
> I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non
> free and should not be used by any openmoko-user. As myself I don't got
> any mp3 on my computer, I only use ogg. The only disadvantage of ogg is:
> you won't be able to share it with lots of friends, due they probably
> use mp3. But as a matter of fact, sharing mp3's with friends is not
> concidered very legal. So... There is no problem not using any mp3's on
> the openmoko. The solution for people wanting to use openmoko as there
> music device:
>
> let's create a "music uploader" for OM2009 & SHR (on your pc: so should
> have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws):
> The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc,
> no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's
> easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite
> good standard to use on the openmoko. So no problems selling openmoko
> anymore huh?
>
> Pieter
>
> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 15:16 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
>> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
>> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
>> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
>> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
>> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
>> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
>> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
>> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
>> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
>> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
>> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
>>
>> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
>> info on that for a long time.
>>
>> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson :
>> > On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> >> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> >> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> >> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> >> > side (trademarks).
>> >>
>> >> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3
>> >> (www.sisvel.it).
>> >> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> >> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> >> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs
>> >> seize
>> >> their Freerunner order anytime.
>> >
>> > Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from
>> > their
>> > repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they
>> > now
>> > ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs
>> > from
>> > that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent.
>> > What
>> > more do you expect them to do?
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Pieter Colpaert]

I think it's a bad idea in general to discuss the topic. MP3's are non
free and should not be used by any openmoko-user. As myself I don't got
any mp3 on my computer, I only use ogg. The only disadvantage of ogg is:
you won't be able to share it with lots of friends, due they probably
use mp3. But as a matter of fact, sharing mp3's with friends is not
concidered very legal. So... There is no problem not using any mp3's on
the openmoko. The solution for people wanting to use openmoko as there
music device: 

let's create a "music uploader" for OM2009 & SHR (on your pc: so should
have a version for linux as well as for mac and wyndaws):
The main screen should give us a selector list of all songs on your pc,
no matter if they're mp3/ogg/wav/etc when uploaded (through scp, that's
easy I guess) they get automatically converted to ogg, which is a quite
good standard to use on the openmoko. So no problems selling openmoko
anymore huh?

Pieter

On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 15:16 +0200, David Reyes Samblas Martinez wrote:
> pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
> the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
> pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
> the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
> license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
> the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
> payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
> with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
> court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
> than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
> default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.
> 
> Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
> info on that for a long time.
> 
> 2009/6/5 Al Johnson :
> > On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> >> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
> >> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
> >> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
> >> > side (trademarks).
> >>
> >> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> >> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> >> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
> >> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
> >> their Freerunner order anytime.
> >
> > Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
> > repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
> > ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs 
> > from
> > that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
> > more do you expect them to do?
> >
> >
> >
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Re: Freerunner's Future

[Steve Mosher]

Thanks Christoph for your clarification.  I have a minor quibble with 
your characterization.
When Openmoko started as a project in FIC, it started with a Vision. 
That vision was to create a open mobile
phone. Its the job of marketing to message that vision to the customer. 
Thats what
we did. Very early on, however, we realized that  we could position the 
product ( not the company) in one of two ways:

1. Its a mobile Phone First, and a multi purpose platform secondarily

2. Its a multi purpose platform first, and a phone secondarily.

If you read carefully through interviews and materials we put out you'll 
see that
we chose #1 as opposed to number two. That is, we choose to emphasize 
the phone
aspects as opposed to the multi purpose aspects. Over an over again you 
will hear
us saying that its more than a phone. But, this message was not in the 
foreground.

That was a marketing decision that was
hard to make. The problem with #2 as I saw it was this: When openmoko 
started
it started with Sean's Vision. Free the Phone. For me as marketing to 
insist that we market
this vision like #2  didnt make much sense. It's something that we 
struggled with throughout
the life of neo 1973 and FR.  Should we change our message about the 
phone and call it
a multi purpose device? should we change the vision of the company? If 
we suddenly
call FR a multi-purpose platform after years of saying it was a phone, 
what would the
community say. From late 2007 when Wolfganag and I joined to early 2008, 
before the launch of FR, Wolfgang, Sean and I debated this exact issue. 
And we even considered shipping FR with a Bootable linux and nothing 
else. The way I viewed it
was this. If we keep pushing down the phone path eventually the vision 
will come true.
So we tried everything to keep that vision alive, paring back on the 
software ( back to the basics)
the downside here was this: We might fail to deliver  according to the 
schedules we promised.
On the other hand, if I switched the message to " hey its multi purpose 
platform" then
people would ask "what about the phone you promised?" Its basically a no win
situation. On one hand  we promise a phone and come up short, on the 
other hand we change
our promise altogether. In the end I own this marketing decision and any 
blame you want
to ascribe to it. As I saw it as long as I work dilgently to keep the 
promise and vision alive
I am doing the right thing. So even now as I try to enable people to 
carry the vision
forward, whether its 5 guys working on Gta02 or other things I am 
working on, I am working
to keep that original promise. I could have choosen the other path. I 
could have said " hey, I know we designed it as a phone,
promised a phone from day one, but what the heck, lets just call it a 
multi purpose platform"
In the end at the Embedded systems conference we gave this message a try.

On a personal note. I'd like to thank you for your support and hard work. 




Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> the best path foreword is to turn the future of the Freerunner over to
>> the community.
>> 
>
> I always have problems to define "community". Speaking in numbers,
> I see ONE active Mailinglist (here) and nothing more worth to mention.
> The GTA03core list consists of 5 active people feeding some strange CAD  
> software, this community list has -lets guess- 1000 active everydayt  
> readers and 100 contributors, that's all !?
> Based on this, your idea to base the future of the Freerunner to a  
> "community" is a dead born baby.
>
> IMO you say "community" but you mean "VAR" = value-added-resellers.
> Openmoko's big marketing mistake was to announce Freerunner as a mobile  
> phone instead a FOSS based multi-purpose plattform.
> No VAR's, no sales. Thats the sad point we have reached now.
>
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Do I need the buzz-fix?

[Warren Baird]

Hey all,

I'm getting a bit confused about whether I need to get the buzz-fix
operation done.  Since I switched to
http://docs.openmoko.org/trac/attachment/ticket/2121/gsmhandset-a7.state a
few days ago I've generally been satisfiied with my audio quality - a couple
of people I've called have mentioned a small amount of buzz on occasion, but
that the audio quality was tolerable.  With most other state files I've had
so much static on the line people on the other end could barely understand
me.

In http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3005844.html - Dr. N stated "The
Buzz rework is only required if  you have the Buzz problem. If your device
does not, there is no need to rework. My personal estimate is that <5% of
users have experienced it. "

However, I've seen other statements like arne anka in
http://n2.nabble.com/Debuzzing-tp2736682p3007627.html state "conclusion:
everyone having access to the buzz fix should take hold of it. "

Is there some consensus on this?   Should everyone get the buzz-fix?   If
not - how do I tell if I should get the buzz fix.

Thanks,

Warren

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RFC Using MPX for accelerometers

[Abelenda]

I've had an idea that might not be so bad.

MPX is due for the next release of Xorg, so why not use it for the
accelerometers, it could create a somewhat standard interface for the
applications (think about compatibility for other devices than the
freerunner) to see the state of the accelerometers. An application that
is fullscreen/selected could just grab the input and release it if
it is no more selected. The nice thing is that application not
compatible with Xi2 would not see the device if it is configured as
additionnal pointer and not default one.

If an application needs only pattern recognitions and not the position
of the pointer, we could create a lib, so that it could be portable for
other devices.

So comments about that idea? ^^


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Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service

[Warren Baird]

Hi Brian,

Will this offer be availble in Canada also?   I see you've co-signed it with
Koolu - for those of us in Canada who bought from Koolu will there be a
Canadian address to send our FRs to - to avoid dealing with customs?

Thanks,

Warren


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Brian Fuller  wrote:

> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email
> buzz...@sdgsystems.com
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
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Re: Pat Meier

[Steve Mosher]

Christoph,

  I will politely ask you to retract your comments about Pat. Each and 
every press release issued by
Openmoko was written by me and issued with my approval and Sean's 
approval. Pat is in charge
of the mechanics of getting those releases distributed and covered by 
the press. As PR she would make editorial suggestions,
but in the end the words are approved by me and sean and in the case of 
quotes, the quotes
are approved by the person being quoted. If you consider the words to be 
BS, then you are
entitled to your opinion. I am responsible for each and every word.  I'm 
responsible for
generating the information, not Pat. Basically it works like this. I 
want to to do a press release.
I talk with Pat and we discuss whether the item is newsworthy in our 
estimation. "Steve ate breakfast"
may be a fine tweet, but it isn't news. Then if we agree it is 
newsworthy, I write the release.
Sean reviews it and when he and I come to agreement we go back to Pat 
and ask her to "put the release out"
Her name goes at the bottom of the release. Not because the words are 
hers, but because she is the Press
Contact. That means the press contacts her when they want to talk to me 
or sean.


Christoph Pulster wrote:
>>   I've copied pat meier Johnson our PR person on the thread. Like you
>>   we believe there is a great positive story here.
>> 
>
> IMO Pat Meier is the typical Public Relation crap and does not match to  
> the company philosophy of Openmoko Inc. at all.
> I just checking some announcements of the past of Pat Meier concerning  
> Openmoko and realize they have a lot of fantasy and free imagination to  
> create facts and words. I dont like these kind of bullshit information  
> generators.
>
> Christoph
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Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service

[Steve Mosher]

Max wrote:
> Great to hear that...
> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)
>
> cheers,
> Max.
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Re: Mailing list glitch?

[Doug Jones]

Harald Welte wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
>> Doug Jones wrote:
>>> Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
>>> memory have a hole in it?
>> Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
>> Not sure where the rest ended up ...
> 
> It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
> every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
> (envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
> the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.
> 

This is a test message.
 >From this point on, will it be truncated in the archive?


I did a cursory search of the mailman-user archives:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/

but didn't find any reference to this bug.  I suppose we should report 
it to them.

Apparently they don't have a bug tracker, just the lists.  I imagine the 
code doesn't change very often.


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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot ;
Isn't there arabic keyboard else ?
would you tell what are the problems ?
Now is it possible to send arabic or farsi sms or not ?
I'm not programmer and maybe can not  do anything for that .

Regards dehqan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Evgeniy Ginzburg wrote:
>
>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan 
>>
>> In The Name Of God
>>
>> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
>> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
>> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
>> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
>> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
>> qtopia are better for these needs ?
>>
>> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>>
>> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p
>>
>> c by bluetooth by FR ?
>> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all
> illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say
> where this work will finished.
> Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony
> apps.
> For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't
> seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one.
>
> Regards, Evgeniy.
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

Christian Gagneraud wrote:
> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.

Thanks for the contributions!

> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?

Please see my response in the other email (about detecting ch data in 
importing oci if we import ch data too).

> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
> are still usable by OBM.
> 

That is correct. And if the ch data ends up in oci, then we will import 
it indirectly.

Onen


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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Onen]

Hi,

Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
> format.
> 

This is most probably doable, just a matter of converting it. What 
annoys me, is that ch will upload to oci, we will import oci data on 
regular basis. If we import the data from ch, we have to detect ch data 
in oci data when importing. Which makes more work.

> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
> cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
> mails here around with reasons for that.
> 

Please see the email from Stefan, about elaborating on this.

> But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
> know the largest open cellid database.

Not anymore, now that we have the data from oci, obm is the largest 
database ;-) . Why did we import it? We think the data from oci could be 
of better quality with some additions. So far, we could not get an 
agreement about this from Thomas. So we still aim at people logging 
through obm for better quality. But to propose right now the best 
coverage to our users, we use oci data too, where no obm data is 
available. But the idea is to replace it with obm data with time, as it 
comes in.

  And my opinion is that everyone
> should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
> so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
> this data gets usefull.
> 

I disagree. Without a good quality, you will end up with lot of data 
(possibly) unuseful because less accurate, or corrupted (through buggy 
logging software, for example). Coverage is not the key by itself.
And we proposed to merge our database in oci (with the extra fields we 
are interested in), but we did not get an answer about this. So if we 
upload to oci, we can only upload the smaller number of supported 
fields, thus we help building a less accurate database than we have. It 
does not make any sense to me.

> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
> the cellhunter data in in future.
> 

Cool, you make the announcement for us ;-) Joke aside, Nick is finishing 
testing it, that is the reason we did not talk about this so far.

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Re: Popping up virtual keyboards via PyGTK, double click rate

[Marco Trevisan (Treviño)]

Al Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 04 June 2009, David Ford wrote:
>> I've been told that telling the widget to grab the focus should pop up
>> the virtual keyboard, but it has yet to happen.
> 
> Not quite - it responds to various X atoms being set. This post has some more 
> info, including c code. You may need to check the illume source for the 
> complete list of atoms.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg41666.html
>> community@lists.openmoko.org
>> http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community

Well, if you don't want to implement this only for an application, you
only have to add the libmb-im-invoker.so under the gtk lib immodules
dir. It's included in the opkg package matchbox-keyboard-im.

By the way the gtk libraries have a bug, since they don't allow the
keyboard to pop-up (i.e. don't send the "focus" callback) if the
selected entry has no visibility (i.e. if it is a password field).

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Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)

[Yorick Moko]

jup, already tried it: i like it

On 6/5/09, RzR www.rzr.online.fr  wrote:
> Hi thank you for testing , glad you liked this toy
>
> Some users reported that on some distro (OM2009)
> it cant start because /dev/dsp is busy... how comes ? something
> changes on ESD ?
> any hints welcome... I just comited upstream ...
>
> Also any of you tested it on Qtopia based distro ?
>
> To be continued at :
> http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd
>
>
> Now , Some comments
>
>  about nokia + maemo ===
>
> I think there are a couple of neat software to be ported from/to maemo
> maybe a cooperation team would be appreciated ...
>
> BTW, did you check that Nokia is about to release a TRUE linux Phone :
> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293687&postcount=1076
>
> I Will post something neat soon ... be patient
>
> === about boxar ===
>
> @Yorick:
> http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html
>
> @Ben:
> I am sure sound lag can be tuned, because it even lag on the desktop ...
> check the sources
>
> @Jeremy: cam
> Yes I noticed it sucked but was too lazy to make it again :-)
>
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Re: Launcher/Home Page (alpha) Release 0.20

[Cameron Frazier]

>>>The toolbar in illume's settings is easier to use because it doesn't
> scroll vertically.
>>
>  I know. But I don't know how to stop that.
>
> Michael Zanetti wrote:
>>
>>>I've noticed this in other apps too. All lists scoll slower if the
>>>smooth-bounce-back-at-end feature is enabled.
>>
>  Can't seem to stop that either. Hmmm. Help Needed!
>

in python it's[1]:

sc = elementary.Scroller(parent)
sc.bounce_set(bool X, bool Y)

in c (derived from [1], look at the bottom):

elm_scroller_bounce_set(self.obj, h_bounce, v_bounce)


[1] 
http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/BINDINGS/python/python-elementary/elementary/elementary.c_elementary_scroller.pxi

Hope that helps,

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God

Thanks alot for your exact attentions ;
Yes kapetein that was the need .

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Al Johnson
 wrote:
>
> On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> > In The Name Of God
> >
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ?
>
> Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the
> volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There
> are a few problems to be aware of with sound too:
> * Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may
> hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a
> fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should
> check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied.
> * Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so
> good for music.
> A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but
> AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet.
ok no problem with not being gui .
>
> The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many
> problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is
> changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while
> for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general
> agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a
> conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished
> interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed.
> If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an
> unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the
> best out of, you will probably be happy.
no gui is not important for me ,just there is need some time in day to
have safe call ,send and rec sms and voice .
but another question ,how about androide ?koolu has been installed on it ...

anda how about price ,what do you think ,will it's price decrease ?
where can Fr with min price be found ?under 330$ ?

> I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody
> has tried.
yes but no problem if openmoko will be better and stable in future .
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Evgeniy Ginzburg]

2009/6/5 a dehqan 

> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> qtopia are better for these needs ?
>
> 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>
> 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to p

c by bluetooth by FR ?
> How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>

There general problem with RTL languages (Farsi, Hebrew, Arabic) in all
illume based distros (OM2009 SHR, FSO), it's being solved but can't say
where this work will finished.
Debian have decent support for Farsi AFAIK. But I dont know about telephony
apps.
For sending SMS/E-mail you have to use Farsi onscreen keyboard, I havn't
seen one, but it's relatively easy to make one.

Regards, Evgeniy.

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Re: OM translation

[Evgeniy Ginzburg]

Forgot to add community in firsc reply

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Denis Ceh wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I am new here and i would like to help you  to develop OM. For the first
> step i would like to make translation of applications to slovenian language.
> So i would be glad to give me some main streams how i can help you. A long
> time ago i was involved to help to translate Mandrake Linux and e107 web
> portal.
>
> Friendly regards,
>
> Denis C.
>

Hi, Dennis.

So for now it's not much you can do.
OM Oficial (Paroli) for now don't translatable - gettext support will be
added later, I think.

You can help in SHR translation.

Just do

git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr-settings.git shr-settings
git clone http://shr.bearstech.com/repo/shr.git shr
find shr* -name *.po*

You'll see.

There is plenty of applications here [1], most of devs happy to include
translations.
Try to browse [2] to.
[1] http://www.opkg.org/
[2] http://projects.openmoko.org/

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Re: request for audiotagging

[matthias]

I tried to get ogg-encoding working, but as I'm limitted to Python and
the python-wrapper for ogg-encoding simply do not work when it comes to
encoding, i gave it up.
I know about speex but until now there was no chance to get pyspeex on
my freerunner.
If there's anything I've missed, making speex-encoding really easy to
do, please please please point me towards that.

matthias

ivvmm schrieb:
> matthias wrote:
>   
>> Well, dictators author, that's me.
>> 
>
> Hello, thank you very much for your app!
>
>   
>> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
>> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.
>> 
>
> Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it
> produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for
> voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is
> a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis
> codec.
>
> Thank you.
>
>   
> 
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Franky Van Liedekerke]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Chris Samuel  wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote:
>
>> If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will
>> that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?
>
> Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the
> amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great!

well, there we're indeed dependent on the kernel itself. Is this a
stable 2.6.28-based kernel?

Frabjt

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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 05 June 2009, a dehqan wrote:
> In The Name Of God
>
> Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> fulfill these needs ?

Sound is generally equivalent to other phones I have used, but changing the 
volume settings if the provided ones don't suit you is not simple yet. There 
are a few problems to be aware of with sound too:
* Buzz - Under some circumstances the person at the other end of the call may 
hear buzz as well as your voice. This can vary from quiet to loud. There is a 
fix for this on the handset mic, but not for the wired headset. You should 
check with the reseller that you are buying one with the fix applied.
* Weak bass on wired headset - this is not a problem for voice, but isn't so 
good for music. 
A workaround for the wired headset problems is to use a bluetooth headset, but 
AFAIK none of the distros has a GUI for this yet.

The current distros generally send and receive calls and SMS without too many 
problems, though bugs do crop up from time to time as some of the software is 
changing quickly. Some people are happy to use it as an everyday phone, while 
for others it is missing features they consider vital. There is no general 
agreement on which is best, though Qtopia is probably most similar to a 
conventional phone. If you are expecting something that has a polished 
interface and behaves like a conventional smartphone you will be disappointed. 
If you want a small handheld computer with phone capabilities and an 
unprecedented level of control, but which requires some dedication to get the 
best out of, you will probably be happy.

I can't comment on whether it is usable with farsi, but it is possible nobody 
has tried.


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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Chris Samuel]

On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 11:03:35 pm Chris Samuel wrote:

> If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will
> that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?

Well I've just given it a shot and it feels like it's roughly halved the 
amount of time it takes the phone to resume, which is great!

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Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service

[Brian Fuller]

Hi Dan.

We are glad to be able to help with the resolution of this issue.   
Regarding the invisible shield, if it's not easily removed we will  
carefully work around it but cannot guarantee that it will not be  
damaged during the repair.

In regard to the other fixes you mentioned, since we do not have the  
specs for those fixes, we will not be able to complete them for you.

Please let me know if you have any further questions.

Thanks,
Brian

On Jun 5, 2009, at 1:16 AM, Staley, Daniel L wrote:

> Thank you for doing this!
> I have a full body invisible shield on my freerunner, is this okay  
> to send in?  It can still be opened per usual, but I just wanted to  
> make sure it was okay first.
>
> Is there any way we could perhaps pay extra and get the GPS  
> capacitor, Bass Fix, and Recamping fix as well?
> If not, thats finethe buzz fix is really the only one that  
> mattersthe others have good enough software work-arounds.
>
> Thanks again!
> -Dan Staley
>
>
> 
> From: Brian Fuller [bful...@sdgsystems.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:07 PM
> To: community@lists.openmoko.org
> Subject: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz -  
> QualityEnhancement Service
>
> Hello Openmoko Community!
>
> As users of the Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6, you
> may have experienced an audio buzz while making a phone call.
> Openmoko has identified the issue and upgraded the hardware to fix
> this issue.  The GTA02 version A7 phones are now available and include
> this fix.
>
> In response to this audio buzz issue, Openmoko has implemented a
> program by which owners of GTA02 version A5 & A6 FreeRunners can have
> their phones reworked to an electrical revision similar to version
> A7.  All owners of version A5 & A6 FreeRunners are eligible for this
> program. SDG Systems (SDG), the US Master Distributor of the
> FreeRunner, will be performing the necessary revision work.
>
> To review the details of this program and to participate, please go to
> the SDG online store located at www.sdgsystems.com, select Openmoko on
> the Catalog page, select "Buy Now" for the Neo FreeRunner versions A5
> & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service, and complete the
> registration and checkout process.  For each phone returned for
> rework, you will receive a complimentary FreeRunner replacement
> battery to offset your shipping fees.  For those interested in
> purchasing additional phones, coupon code 5CZ8HT54, redeemable only at
> the SDG online store, is available for $30 off the retail price of
> $389 for the version A7 FreeRunner.  The coupon code has no quantity
> restrictions and expires on 7/31/09.
>
> Participants' phones needing reworked MUST be returned to SDG by
> Wednesday, July 15, 2009, to qualify for this program.
>
> For any additional assistance or questions, please email 
> buzz...@sdgsystems.com
> .
>
> We appreciate your cooperation as we work to resolve this matter.
>
> Sincerely,
> SDG Systems & Koolu, Inc.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[David Reyes Samblas Martinez]

pattens as are now a days is a real PITA, no matter if you don't have
the libraries installed in the device,if you are cached by those
pirate... sorry pattens agencies in customs they just have to say to
the court the device is suitable to play mp3 and you don't have
license, and your parcel will be retained for months/years, no matter
the court final decision, you as reseller are fucked because you have
payed for a material you cannot touch. So orl you arrive an agreement
with the agency (+money,-less time) or wait for the lottery of the
court and cross your fingers to have a judge a little bit more techy
than the average, because if not, your parcel will be returned by
default, and if the judge has a bad day you surely will pay a penalty.

Once was said OM was in sue trying to resolve this but I have no more
info on that for a long time.

2009/6/5 Al Johnson :
> On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
>> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
>> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
>> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
>> > side (trademarks).
>>
>> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
>> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
>> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
>> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
>> their Freerunner order anytime.
>
> Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their
> repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now
> ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from
> that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What
> more do you expect them to do?
>
>
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Re: [QtExtended] Latest and greatest, progress mail 12

[Chris Samuel]

On Tue, 2 Jun 2009 05:02:29 am Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:

> It's been a while, but we haven't been sleeping :-)

Thanks so much for all this work Franky, et. al!

One thing I've noticed (after playing around with the other distros) is that 
it seems like QtMoko takes a lot longer to resume from suspend than my older 
2.6.24 based QtEI I was running (though the other bug fixes more than make up 
for it!).

If I try the older kernel (uImage-gta02-g291a9d50_mwester-stable.bin) will 
that break anything in the QtMoko image or install ?

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Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[matthias]

argggh! Sorry!

Giovanni schrieb:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias  > wrote:
>
>
> > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
> What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
> That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
> Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended,
> openwrt).
>
> Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
> hardware is?
> I'd provide my freerunner for that.
>
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Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[DJDAS]

Giovanni ha scritto:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)

Sorry for my ignorancebut either in the wiki or ML I read about this 
distro and subscribed to the armedslack ML but there is no place where 
Freerunner is considered to run it, can someone point me for an 
installer/howto?
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Re: MP3 patents (was: Freerunner's Future)

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 05 June 2009, Christoph Pulster wrote:
> > It's more than welcome to see Openmoko Inc. is still very much in
> > support of the Freerunner/GTA02 and will provide the community with
> > support in areas like the hosting infrastructure as well as the legal
> > side (trademarks).
>
> Please remember the patent infridgements concerning MP3 (www.sisvel.it).
> Openmoko Inc. did not solve this issue until today.
> As a result, all sales inside EU are patent infridgments, all reseller
> inside EU community have to live with the fact, that local customs seize
> their Freerunner order anytime.

Openmoko removed the mp3 codecs from the images they supply, and from their 
repositories, causing frustration for many. I don't know what image they now 
ship with, but would be surprised if they haven't removed the mp3 codecs from 
that too. If it doesn't contain the codec it can't infringe the patent. What 
more do you expect them to do?




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Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[Risto H. Kurppa]

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias  wrote:
>>
>> > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
>> What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
>> That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
>> Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Giovanni wrote:
> You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
> http://www.armedslack.org/
>
> :)

I think you forgot also some other distributions, some are listed
here, some not: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributions

I don't know why would you show the unsupported, old, broken
distributions like OM2007 or OM2008.. But as an idea it's great to
show what are the things FR can do, but if you do, please either show
something that works most of the time so the people trying it get the
feeling they have something that works (-> the reason I wouldn't
recommend you showing broken software that crashes etc etc..).

I think it's important for us to take FR to 'places it has not been
before', reach new people slowly, as the software matures, as FR:s are
still available, and especially when there's no need for buzzfixes
made by customer..


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Re: request for audiotagging

[ivvmm]

matthias wrote:
> Well, dictators author, that's me.

Hello, thank you very much for your app!

> 
> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.

Please, make it produce not wave, not flac, not mp3 not ogg. Make it
produce speex for speed and very little space. It was designed for
voice. Visit http://www.speex.org/ for more information about it. It is
a free-as-in-freedom codec developed by those who developed ogg vorbis
codec.

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Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[Giovanni]

You forgot Slackware, with ArmedSlack:
http://www.armedslack.org/

:)



On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 2:01 PM, matthias  wrote:

>
> > I'm open for suggestions ;-)
> What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
> That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
> Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).
>
> Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
> hardware is?
> I'd provide my freerunner for that.
>
> matthias
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Re: request for audiotagging

[Al Johnson]

On Friday 05 June 2009, Robin Paulson wrote:
> 2009/6/5 matthias :
> > recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> > a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of
> > that.
>
> 22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough
> quality for picking out words, etc
>
> a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem
>
> we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems -
> this would be 35MB/hr
>
> or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3?

I don't see why not, although a voice-specific codec like speex or gsm might 
be better.


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Re: request for audiotagging

[Robin Paulson]

2009/6/5 matthias :
> recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
> a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.

22kHz, 1 channel, 16 bit is 2.5MB/min - this is more than good enough
quality for picking out words, etc

a two hour trip would be ~280Mb. no problem

we could probably go down to 11kHz, 8 bit, and not have problems -
this would be 35MB/hr

or, to save more space, would the freerunner be capable of encoding mp3?

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Re: LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[matthias]

> I'm open for suggestions ;-)
What about having every distro available on one freerunner/neo1973?
That makes about 11 freerunners (om2007.2, om2008(FDOM), om2009, SHR,
Android, pure debian, Hackable:1, neovento, gentoo, Qtextended, openwrt).

Wouldn't that be a powerful presentation of how free this piece of
hardware is?
I'd provide my freerunner for that.

matthias

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Re: request for audiotagging

[matthias]

Well, dictators author, that's me.
I'm about to add a feature to correlate your voicenotes to gps-coords
via a textfile. that's all i can do with dictator. my freerunner is
about to be buzz-fixed near munich, so i can't make any progress on this
now.

recording in background during your whole osm-mapping-ride will produce
a huge wav-file which won't fit onto a regular sd-card. so beware of that.
> I usually stop and take notes on dead tree from time to time instead.
>   
that's the method. while walking i even don't have to stop.

Any hint on how to make the created textfile more usable with the most
common osm-tools would be fine! :)

matthias
> On Friday 05 June 2009, jeremy jozwik wrote:
>   
>> im a regular to the OSM, but have never tried audiotagging. my guess is
>> that this could be done with dictator running in the background behind
>> tango or omgps. though im not sure if background recording works.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:14 PM, ivvmm  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello list,
>>>
>>> are there any OpenStreetMappers here? How to you map. I find it nearly
>>> impossible.
>>>
>>> The map in our region is rather pour and needs expanding. It is being
>>> done only by two persons, although we have drawn all the streets and
>>> many buildings in native town. We have named streets, because we do
>>> remember their names. Numbered some of the houses — that is already
>>> hard. You have to print on a piece of paper the map. And go on foot
>>> around your town and just write down the numbers of houses. That is very
>>> inconvenient, because it is slow and you can only do that on foot. No
>>> bicycle, no car because you will have to stop many times.
>>>
>>> So what's about suburbs? It is pretty undrawn. Don't know even the names
>>> of streets there. So a single thing could to do is just ride them all
>>> and put on a map at home using GPS tracks.
>>>
>>> Much more could be done with audio tagging. Please, could someone extend
>>> either TangoGPS or omgps? That will be cutting more power from battery,
>>> but that will also help more. Maybe some voice autodetection(by
>>> detecting loud noise for example). And using speex codec for minimum
>>> size?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> p.s. yesterday one my friend read the name of omgps as 'OMG ps?'
>>>
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LinuxTag 24-27 June Berlin

[Wim Vandeputte Mailing list only]

Hey,

In order to offer some 'safe haven' for Openmoko users, I have applied for
an Openmoko.org booth at LinuxTag. 

Unfortunatly due to space (and budget) constraints, there is no full booth,
but I'm offering half of my existing OpenBSD booth, so both are in

Halle 7.2b, Stand 111

I'll bring my workshop phones for people to play with but if there are other
people who want to bring anything they want to show to the visitors, I'm looking
for volunteers who want to do a shift and talk to people about Openmoko.

Perhaps you want to show off your Openmoko project? Help people install SHR on
their phone? Do onsite Buzz-fix? 

I'm open for suggestions ;-)

Pierre Pronchery (Bearstech) will also be there and he'll give a talk in the
free track about "Hackable Devices: the new possibilities of open hardware"

http://www.linuxtag.org/2009/en/program/freies-vortragsprogramm/all-speakers/details.html?talkid=631

on Friday (17-18h)

Perhaps one evening we could all meet up and have dinner nearby?

Anyways, mail me and I'll try and coordinate things a bit.

Wim.

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Re: boxar : New Audio Application (download or watch video)

[RzR www.rzr.online.fr]

Hi thank you for testing , glad you liked this toy

Some users reported that on some distro (OM2009)
it cant start because /dev/dsp is busy... how comes ? something
changes on ESD ?
any hints welcome... I just comited upstream ...

Also any of you tested it on Qtopia based distro ?

To be continued at :
http://rzr.online.fr/q/esd


Now , Some comments

 about nokia + maemo ===

I think there are a couple of neat software to be ported from/to maemo
maybe a cooperation team would be appreciated ...

BTW, did you check that Nokia is about to release a TRUE linux Phone :
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=293687&postcount=1076

I Will post something neat soon ... be patient

=== about boxar ===

@Yorick:
http://www.opkg.org/package_228.html

@Ben:
I am sure sound lag can be tuned, because it even lag on the desktop ...
check the sources

@Jeremy: cam
Yes I noticed it sucked but was too lazy to make it again :-)

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Re: Mailing list glitch?

[Timo Jyrinki]

2009/6/3 Doug Jones :
> Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective
> memory have a hole in it?

After Harald now fixed the issue, a proper URL is:

http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2009-June/33.html

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Re: A7 (was: Tuxbrain offers ...)

[Timo Jyrinki]

2009/6/5 Christoph Pulster :
> A7 = A6 + buzz fix + some minor PCB revisions ?
> If yes, I do not understand, why A7 is announced in some places similar
> to a new major product update worth buying.

Simply because A7 is the first revision that is for sure suitable,
hardware-wise, for every-day calling purposes in 900/1800 frequency
ranges since the buzz fix is included out-of-the-box. According to
tuxbrain's information there are no changes besides the buzz fix and
newer GSM firmware (so no need to update that either separately).

> Release date ? Price ? etc etc

Maybe 3th of June was the kind-of release date, as then it got into
publicity that resellers can order A7? For customers it doesn't matter
if it's a buzz-fixed A6 or a "real" A7, but "A7" is something
customers can search for, knowing that it's buzz-fixed. So adding
"This version is reworked and equal to A7" to existing resellers' A6
pages, if the reseller provides buzz-fixed A6:s, could be beneficial.

> Once again I miss the stressed "openness" in Openmoko's information and
> communication policy.

Me too, the communication channels never actually evolved beyond word
of mouth... in general information is out there but it's not
organized. Browsing community mailing list for bits of information is
what I'd call reseller communications.

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Re: Openmoko Neo FreeRunner GTA02 versions A5 & A6 Audio Buzz - Quality Enhancement Service

[Ben Wong]

I know it's unlikely somebody will accidentally send their phone to
Cranberry, PA, but I'd like to point out that the SDG page for the
rework says,

Send phone(s) to:

SDG Systems
Attn: FreeRunner Rework Program
114 W. Grandview Ave., Suite 1
Zelienople, PA 16063

--Ben


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:01 PM, Richy wrote:
> from the website:
>
> Location:
>
> SDG Systems, LLC
> 219 Glen Rape Road
> Cranberry Township, PA 16066
>
> Seems to be in the USA, according to googleMaps.
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 07:19, Max  wrote:
>>
>> Great to hear that...
>> Btw, where do you actually situated?... at least information about
>> continent you're in would greatly help in estimating shipment costs :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> Max.
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Re: Mailing list glitch?

[Harald Welte]

On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 09:16:50PM +0200, Harald Welte wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 03, 2009 at 03:21:26PM -0300, Werner Almesberger wrote:
> > Doug Jones wrote:
> > > Has this bug been there all along?  Does our community's collective 
> > > memory have a hole in it?
> > 
> > Seems that it chopped the mail at the line beginning with "From".
> > Not sure where the rest ended up ...
> 
> It looks like the mailman/pipermail parser is somewhat broken and considers
> every line starting with "^From " as the beginning of a new mail
> (envelope-from).  This is really weird, one would expect this kind of bug in
> the UUCP days of the early 1990ies but not in 2009.

I've now manually patched the mobox archive with a space in front of the "From"
and regenerated the archives to ensure that Sean's post is visible in full
length.

Regards,
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Christian Gagneraud]

Stefan Schmidt wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
>>> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>>>
>>> I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
>>> information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
>>> for example...
>>>
>>>   
>> there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
>> data.
> 
> 
> I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link 
> list
> is not viewable.

Well spotted!!! :)

Really, when i visited the web site, i thought it was just an empty 
shell (no information, no docs, no links, nothing...), and i said to 
myself "They should rename their web site notsoopencellid.org"!

But with you trick, the truth appears to me! :)

Thanks,
Chris

> 
> Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover 
> those
> links.
> 
>> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
>> prepare the data for that but it will happen.
> 
> BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?
> 
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Stefan Schmidt]

Hello.

On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 10:14, Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> 
> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> > Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
> >
> > I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
> > information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
> > for example...
> >
> >   
> there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
> data.


I bet he has the same issue I still have here with Firefox 3.0.9. The link list
is not viewable.

Try to mark all the text on the page with your mouse and you will discover those
links.

> cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
> prepare the data for that but it will happen.

BTW, what will happen with the ARFCN informations then?

regards
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Re: request for audiotagging

[kimaidou]

hum, this is a start, indeed. Could someone test it and post screenshots
here (or anywhere else, the wiki is a great start..) ? My freerunner is in
Germany for a buzzfix :(.
Thanks in advance

2009/6/5 Risto H. Kurppa 

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidou wrote:
> > I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners :
> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker
> > It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with
> > coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ?
>
> See my previous post:
>
> > There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> > http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> > It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> > limits etc.
> >
> > I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> > http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> > comments by pavel)
> >
> > I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> > biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> > to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> > one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> > combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> > read the street names.
>
>
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[Ed Kapitein]

><
> > > 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
> > I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
> > done it already.
> Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work
> be found ?
> 

Perhaps you need to make a bit more clear what you mean with 
"stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR"

I use my FR as a modem/router for my PC. so i connect the FR to the GPRS
network of my GSM provider, connect my FR to my PC over bluetooth and
surf on the internet on my PC. And read mail etc.
If that is what you want, then yes, it is possible.

Kind regards,
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Re: Cellhunter/OpenBmap

[Sebastian Hammerl]

Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
> Sebastian Hammerl wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> 
>
> Hi Sebastian,
>
>   
>> about the conversion I cannot help you because I don't know the openbmap
>> format.
>>
>> I talked with the openbmap owner about collaborating and got to the
>> result that it will only happen in the way that openbmap can use the
>> cellhunter data. I will not combine these two databases. There are some
>> mails here around with reasons for that.
>> 
>
> Yes, i've read about this, and i think that it's worth logging too 
> much data than not enough...
>
>   
>> But cellhunter will cooperate with opencellid.org which is as far as I
>> know the largest open cellid database. And my opinion is that everyone
>> should submit the data via cellhunter or something else to this database
>> so there is one global one. Only with a good cover all over the world
>> this data gets usefull.
>> 
>
> I've looked at opencellid.org website, and couldn't find any 
> information concerning the database, how can a user access the data 
> for example...
>
>   
there is an api documented at the homepage and you can download the raw 
data.
>> I just saw that openbmaps imports the opencellid data so there will be
>> the cellhunter data in in future.
>> 
>
> That's a good point, but for example, yesterday evening i've uploaded 
> lot of data (about 5 hours sampling every 10 seconds, while moving by 
> boat along the coast), and now i would like to reuse these data, 
> exploit them, plot them, ... with existing web application or by 
> writing my own tool, the API offered by cellhunter doesn't really fit 
> my needs that's why i want to have a look at OBM's API.
>
> Do you know how often CH is imported into opencellid, and how often 
> opencellid are imported into OBM?
>
>   
cellhunter ist not submitting to opencellid yet, because i have to
prepare the data for that but it will happen.

Sebastian
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>   
>> Greetings, Sebastian
>> (CellHunter developer)
>>
>> Christian Gagneraud schrieb:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm using cellhunter since few month, with which i have gathered some 
>>> data (1646 cells so far here in Ireland) and uploaded to their server.
>>> I would like to give a try with OpenBmap, is there a way to convert 
>>> data from CH to OBM and upload them to OBM server?
>>> I know that OBM log more details than CH but i guess that CH's data 
>>> are still usable by OBM.
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, what people think about these two project? And of 
>>> course the 2 billion euros/dollars question: Which one is the best?
>>> Does the 2 projects collaborate, if not are there any plan to do so?
>>>
>>> Chris.
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Re: Questions about Openmoko cellphones ..

[a dehqan]

In The Name Of God
Thanks alot for your attention

>
> 2009/6/5 a dehqan :
> > Thanks alot for your attentions ;
> > 1- There is need a phone with a good sound power to have listening voice
> > with headphone ,have calls, recieve and dial ,send and receive sms in
> > persian language (farsi) , as for these needs first > does neo freeruner
> > fulfill these needs ? second> if yes ,which one of android , shr ,debian ,
> > qtopia are better for these needs ?
>
> It's good that you can just buy it and try yourself - but I'd think at
> least OM2009 should be able to do it.
when someone here ask question ,he/she needs other experiences before
buying .In Iran if i bought it and then it did not fulfill needs who
will buy that from me ?i can say maybe no one in iran use openmoko
phone .
so i'll be thankfull someone answer exacltly .

>
> > 2-Where can Freerunner be bought with minimum price ,in europ and asia ?
>
> You might again want to compare, ther's a list of distributors at openmoko.com
>
yes there is a page : http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Distributors
But i was interested if there is a seller that sells FR less than those prices ?
anda it is probable those prices have been changed ,isnt it ?

> > 3-Can we have stream gprs from phone to pc by bluetooth by FR ?
> I can't see why couldn't it be done, actually I think someone have
> done it already.
Whould let me know who had done that ?any link ?where can be that work
be found ?

>
> > How about sending and receiving sms in persian language (farsi) on FR ?
>
> If cyrillic / russian works, I can't see why persian/farsi couldn't be
> implemented, unless it already works.
My problem is that in iran i dont think anyone else bought  FR ,so how
can i be sure it supports persian in sms ?
>
> please have a look at wiki.openmoko.org and also the mailing list
> archives to find more information on what's done and so on..
>
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Re: QT Improved - predictive dictionary

[Glen Ogilvie]

On Sunday 31 May 2009, Franky Van Liedekerke wrote:
> Glen Ogilvie  wrote:
> >
> > Oh, one thing I noticed is it seems that the predictive dictionary on
> > the keyboard is disabled.. Is that intentional?
>
> yes it is, but you can reactivate again by sliding diagonal: left down
> to right up (I think).

Hi Franky,

Try as I might, I've not been able to reactive this on the release from 
qte_20090601.tgz

Do you have any suggestions?

I am trying to swipe from the bottom left part of the text input box to the 
right top of it.  Is that right?

Regards
Glen Ogilvie

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Re: request for audiotagging

[Risto H. Kurppa]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:57 AM, kimaidou wrote:
> I really wish we have a tool as OSMtracker for our freerunners :
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker
> It has big button, can record audio, etc. . Is there any hope one with
> coding skills can use it as an example to code a similar GUI and engine ?

See my previous post:

> There's some kind of mapping GUI at
> http://tui.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/tui/tui/mokomapper.py?view=markup
> It shows buttons that you can press to add tags in .osm format: speed
> limits etc.
>
> I haven't had a close look at it, it was suggested to me here:
> http://risto.kurppa.fi/blog/my-openmoko-wishlist/#comments (read the
> comments by pavel)
>
> I think it could be extended/completed to be a usable tool, even wehn
> biking. It doesn't understand the road names etc but is a handy tool
> to add POI's etc. Someone with .py skill please have a look at it. If
> one would use this mokomapper with audio recorder, it'd be a powerful
> combination: the most simple tags you'd get by clicking FR and then
> read the street names.


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