[CTRL] Fwd: "An Eye for an Eye" Doesn't Go Far Enough
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Israeli minister calls for murder of families of Palestinian suicide bombers August 21, 2001 Israeli deputy public security minister Gideon Ezra has openly called for Israel to murder the families of potential Palestinian suicide bombers. The following is an excerpt from a column in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, by Akiva Eldar. "Ask Clinton what he thinks about Camp David" by Akiva Eldar Haaretz, August 21, 2001 Family therapy K., a Theresienstadt survivor, was distraught to the point of tears. "What's happening to us?" she asked. "Did you hear the deputy public security minister, Gideon Ezra? I can't calm down. Now he's proposing on television to execute the families of the Palestinian suicide bombers." K. said Ezra didn't invent the system in which relatives are punished for the sins of their fathers or sons. She remembers it well from the 1940s in occupied Europe. But her Hebrew is not very good, and maybe she didn't really understand what was said. Otherwise it's impossible that the Jewish state let such things go right past its ears.But K. wasn't wrong. Here are excerpts from an interview with Ezra broadcast Sunday night on state television in the New Evening (Erev Hadash) program. And none of his colleagues in the government protested.Geula Even: "What idea do you have to chill the motivations of the suicide bomber. You said something about harming their families. What does that mean."Ezra: "I'm talking about there being a conversation between a psychologist with every one of those suicide bombers and the psychologists will check what brought them to suicide."Even:"You mean the ones who are caught."Ezra: "The ones who are caught. To learn about those who go out in the future. If, for example, it turns out from the three [in Israeli custody] that harming their family would have prevented them from going out on a suicide mission, that's a possible answer..."Even: "Just a minute, you're saying that if it turns out that by killing the father of a suicide bomber it would prevent him from going to a discotheque to blow himself up, then the parents should be eliminated?"Ezra: "Absolutely. You have to understand that we paid a price in children and elderly and babies ... the suicide bomber should know that his family will be wiped out, and that's better then him going out, and nobody will get killed and there will be peace."Historian Prof. Moshe Zimmerman of Hebrew University says the Nazis used to arrest the families of people suspected of trying to undermine the regime or harm its officials. "The method had a name - sippenhaft. They used it, for example, when they caught the conspirators against Hitler in July 1944. You know that if you act against the state, the entire family will suffer. In the occupation areas, they made wide use of the method. If someone shot a German soldier, he knew that if the assassin wasn't caught, 50 people would hang."But if Ezra is looking for help from some of his former colleagues in the Shin Bet to provide him with folklore about suicide bombers, he might end up with a better method than the family treatment plan he's suggesting. Someone at the Shin Bet no doubt noticed the sermon, broadcast on Palestinian TV, from the Sheikh Il'ijun Mosque, as preached by Sheikh Isma'il al-Adouan: "The shahid, if he meets Allah, is forgiven his first drop of blood; he's saved from the grave's confines; he sees his seat in heaven; he's saved from judgment day; he's given 72 dark-eyed women; he's an advocate for 70 members of his family." If nobody at the Shin Bet has seen it, it's available through the Middle East Media and Research Institute.So who knows, Mr. Ezra. Maybe the family would
[CTRL] Fwd: "An Eye for an Eye" Doesn't Go Far Enough
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- "[God] commanded the total eradication - including women and children - of certain nations (Amalek being a singular illustration) because of the continuing threat its members presented to the survival of Israel. "When there is no other deterrent, self-defense entitles one to take measures that are ordinarily unacceptable." --Nathan Lewin http://www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.06.07/news1.html JUNE 7, 2002 "Forward" Top Lawyer Urges Death for Families of Bombers Lewin: 'A Policy Born of Necessity' By AMI EDEN FORWARD STAFF A prominent Washington attorney and Jewish communal leader is calling for the execution of family members of suicide bombers. Nathan Lewin, an oft-mentioned candidate for a federal judgeship and legal advisor to several Orthodox organizations, told the Forward that such a policy would provide a much-needed deterrent against suicide attacks. Under the proposal, which Lewin unveiled in the current issue of the opinion journal Sh'ma, family members would be spared if they immediately condemned the bombing and refused financial compensation for the loss of their relative. (Lewin's article appears at http://www.shma.com/may02/nathan.htm.) While a 20-month spate of suicide bombings has been met in the Jewish community with calls for increasingly Draconian preventive measures, Lewin appears to be the first Jewish communal leader to approve publicly of the concept of executing innocent civilians in the hopes of curbing terrorism. "If executing some suicide-bomber families saves the lives of even an equal number of potential civilian victims, the exchange is, I believe, ethically permissible," wrote Lewin, who has served as president of the International Association of Jewish Lawyers and Jurists and is a vice president of the Orthodox Union. "It is a policy born of necessity â the need to find a true deterrent when capital punishment is demonstrably ineffective." Lewin argued that the Biblical injunction to destroy the whole tribe of Amalek serves as a precedent in Judaism for taking measures that are "ordinarily unacceptable," in the face of a mortal threat. His proposal, however, was rejected by an Israeli diplomat in New York, and discounted, in terms ranging from mild to condemnatory, by a range of commentators, terrorism experts and Jewish communal leaders from across the American political spectrum. "The State of Israel is determined to respond to every Palestinian provocation," said Ido Aharoni, consul for media and public affairs at Israel's New York consulate. "Israel's military approach is to pursue the perpetrators and those who seek to carry out acts of terrorism against innocent Israelis. Within that framework, Israel is trying to minimize, if possible to eliminate, the number of innocent lives lost." Several leading Jewish figures, including Harvard Law School professor [and frequent "legal expert" on cableTV news programs] Alan Dershowitz, argued that the plan represented a legitimate if flawed attempt to strike a balance between preventing terrorism and preserving democratic norms. But the proposal was strongly condemned by the head of the Reform movement, Rabbi Eric Yoffie, and the executive vice chairwoman of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs, Hannah Rosenthal."The opinion is utterly reprehensible and totally contrary to the most fundamental principles of the Jewish religious tradition and everything the State of Israel has been about since its founding," said Yoffie, president of the Union of American Hebrew Congregations. "I've said it, and everyone realizes, that in a war all of our standards on civil liberties may not appl
[CTRL] Fwd: Muckraker, Whistle-blower... And Right On The Money.
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- "You may not like what he has to say, but ignore him at your own peril." Dear Daily Reckoning reader, His reputation is sterling. His advice... priceless. And as one reader suggests, you ignore him at your peril. I'm speaking, of course, of Dr. Kurt Richebacher. Apart from his insightful economic analysis, Dr. Kurt Richebacher cuts quite a figure. He recently spent some time down in the country with me. Despite being over 80 years old, on the day he arrived, he came tearing into the drive at Ouzilly behind the wheel of his own BMW, sporting an all-white suit and flowing hair... he has a dramatic habit of emphasizing his points by pounding a silver-tipped cane on the floor. I bring the man to your attention today by way of introducing an interview the team at The Daily Reckoning recently conducted with him. We mentioned it briefly in yesterday's Daily Reckoning. Today I'd like to call your attention to it... in full. As you'll see from the interview, few people realize how far off recovery in the U.S. economy really is. The Consumer Price Index... the Producer Price Index... and other key economic indicators are all "doctored up." The so-called "hedonic" price inflator has skewed the economic picture beyond recognition. In Dr. Richebacher's view, if you plan to rely on the government and Wall Street statisticians to plan your affairs... you risk losing everything. But rather than suffer along with run-of-the-mill investors -- who are more than happy to eat up the dunderheaded blathering that passes for financial analysis in today's media -- you can use Dr. Richebacher's insights... and economic revelations... to protect your wealth immediately. Fact is, even while the global crisis is well under way, new opportunities for investing are opening up as we speak. Who better than a man with nearly 50 years' experience in the global markets to help you seize them? The good doctor began as an international economic reporter for a leading German financial newspaper -- similar to The Wall Street Journal -- right after WWII. He became rather famous in Germany for his critical reporting of the post-war government economic policies. His reputation eventually opened the doors for an even more important position as the chief economist and managing partner for the Dresdner Bank in Germany. While managing the bank, he started writing an economic newsletter to help inform their most important customers. Quickly however, it became obvious his opinions were at odds with the national economic policy. To save face, the bank encouraged him to publish the letter under his own name, instead of theirs... yet, it was so popular they continued to distribute it to their wealthiest clients. Today he's as bright, insightful and controversial as ever. As the founder and CEO of Agora Publishing, I have the distinct honor of publishing The Richebacher Letter. Of course, I can't tell you who among the financial analysts, newsletter writers and money managers subscribe to Dr. Kurt Richebacher's monthly analysis, but I assure you that you would recognize dozens of their names. They are among the most respected names in the financial industry. >From his home office in Cannes, France, Dr. Richebacher works in the tradition of such prominent economists as Carl Menger, Ludwig von Mises and Nobel Prize winner Friedrich A. Hayek -- the economic geniuses who created the Austrian School of economics. I invite you to take a look at an interview recently conducted by the team at The Daily Reckoning. "Is there any chance of a financial recovery in 2002?" we asked... Absolutely "ZERO!" bellowed Dr. Richebacher. And that's just the beginning.
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] To my myopic brothers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- An important question is whether Junta63 is more likely to regard Coup2K as buried and think they can bury 9/11 WTC and anthrax by economic recovery, or whether they are more likely to act in character and continue to use scare tactics and opinion-molding ops that make their warnings seem prescient and responsible, in which case they will send the economy lower to elevate the public anxiety level i.e. protect national insecurity. -Bob - Original Message - From: Robert Cain To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:35 PM Subject: [CIA-DRUGS] To my myopic brothers You guys do talk a lot!But to look at the bigger picture I got this forward tonighthttp://home.flash.net/~rhmjr/index.htmland then I went towww.ft.com/us/ ( netscape 4.* no longer works on this site ) then checkthecharts for all the world markets. Europe is down like a roller coasterwith no bottom in sight. ( France and Germany,) - England has seen somerecovery but it was already down below the others.In the 30's only 10% of families were on water meters. 20% - 30% hadelect.If the powers that be want to stop any investigation into 911 a slighttilt to themarkets and only economic recovery will be the word on the street.We may be able to see and name the Wizards behind the curtain but theystillpull the levers. and I see deep dodo ahead.Please let us stay on topic and be civil.To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
[CTRL] Fwd: [911-Discussion] quotes
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- "You read about all these terrorists, most of them came here legally, but they hung around on these expired visas, some for as long as 10- 15 years. Now, compare that to Blockbuster; you are two days late with a video and these people are all over you. Let's put Blockbuster in charge of immigration"-- Jay Leno "What we know about Osama bin Laden is this-he's worth $300 million, he has five wives and 26 kids ... and he hates Americans for their 'excessive' lifestyle."-- David Letterman "The leaders of the Taliban said today that killing bin Laden won't solve the problem. But, you know, it couldn't hurt."-- Jay Leno "More and more details coming out now about spoiled rich kid Osama bin Laden. Time reports this week he was one of 52 kids. Mother must be exhausted. This guy inherited $80 million at age 13 and has since expanded it to $300 million through construction, smart investments and gas and oil investments. This way, he can use the money in his war against capitalism."-- Jay Leno "More and more facts coming out about Osama bin Laden. You know, he never sleeps in the same place two nights in a row, just like Clinton." -- Jay Leno "One of the Taliban spokesmen said they have thousands of men who look forward to death like Americans look forward to living, which is great because we can arrange that. We'll set them up with death, we'll continue living." -- Jay Leno "CBS News finally received anthrax in the mail. As usual, we're number three."-- David Letterman "I don't mean to harp on this, but it's like the networks are a how- to manual for terrorists. You see them on the news. This reporter is standing outside a water treatment plant, going, 'If they poured the poison here it could wipe out thousands because the guard is off duty from noon until 1 every day!'" -- Jay Leno "Postal inspectors have been given advanced warning that Publishers Clearinghouse is sending packets of laundry detergent that could be mistaken for anthrax. Oh, good timing! What genius came up with this promotion? What's next? A ticking alarm clock? Let's put that in a box"- Jay Leno "The FBI is urging all Americans to beware of any letters or packages that have badly misspelled words. Man, this is going to be terrible news for the rap industry."-- Jay Leno "In Pakistan anti-American protesters set a Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant on fire. The protesters mistakenly thought they were attacking high-ranking U.S. military official Colonel Sanders."-- Jimmy Fallon on Saturday Night Live's Weekend Update "Tomorrow night on NBC a very special episode of West Wing, it makes a direct reference to what happened in New York City. The exact plot is being kept top secret. We are the only country in the world where we put our battle plans on CNN, but the plots to our TV shows are top secret."-- Jay Leno "Now this really annoys me: All these people getting on the Internet and saying Nostradamus predicted this. If Nostradamus were alive today his name would be Miss Cleo and he'd be charging $2.99 a minute."-- Jay Leno "President Bush has urged people to get back to normal and today Congress announced that they are accepting bribes again." - Jay Leno SHADOWKamen. My list: http://www.onelist.com/community/Any_Discussion My booth: http://www.freevote.com/booth/Informitor My page: http://random.kakuranger.net/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/KlSolB/TM";>Click Here! -~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] To my myopic brothers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- You guys do talk a lot! But to look at the bigger picture I got this forward tonight http://home.flash.net/~rhmjr/index.html and then I went to www.ft.com/us/ ( netscape 4.* no longer works on this site ) then check the charts for all the world markets. Europe is down like a roller coaster with no bottom in sight. ( France and Germany,) - England has seen some recovery but it was already down below the others. In the 30's only 10% of families were on water meters. 20% - 30% had elect. If the powers that be want to stop any investigation into 911 a slight tilt to the markets and only economic recovery will be the word on the street. We may be able to see and name the Wizards behind the curtain but they still pull the levers. and I see deep dodo ahead. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/xYTolB/TM";>Click Here! -~-> Please let us stay on topic and be civil. To unsubscribe please go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cia-drugs -Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org OM Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] More publicity for market analysis confirming GATA's work
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- 7:34p ET Friday, June 21, 2002 Dear Friend of GATA and Gold: Tim Wood of TheMiningWeb.com has followed CBSMarketWatch's Thom Calandra with a report on the analysis supporting GATA that has been issued by RBC Global Investment Management Inc., a division of Royal Bank of Canada. You can find the story on TheMiningWeb.com's home page, where it is headlined, "Gold bugs masquerading as bankers": http://www.theminingweb.com/ Friends, we ARE getting the word out, and our evidence is persuading some very responsible people. Your support of GATA makes this possible. Thank you. CHRIS POWELL, Secretary/Treasurer Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~--> Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/WfTolB/TM";>Click Here! -~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] WTC, Buffet, China, Offnut AFB base, L-3 , MONTAUK, BMI and CIA
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Dick Eastman is suddenly not able to post to yahoogroups. I am beginning to have difficulties as well. Is it just a coincidence that we are sorting out the following information at the same time? ~ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/9439 From: "Agent Smiley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 3:50 PM Subject: Re: RED_HOT_RAW_DATA_-_PRC_AND_911 --- Patrick Flaherty wrote: > > According to an article Iread, L-3 was launched > after meeting between Bill GATES of Microsoft, > Walter Scott, Jr (pres/CEO PETER KIEWET & SONS) and > Wall street billionaire WARREN BUFFETT. A case can > be made that new high tech ideas are passed from > OFFNUT to Omaha based execs. punch in Q33 into wing dings [a type of font] and out comes two symbols: an airplane and a skull/crossbones also, a couple of people have mentioned to me that on september 10 bill gates traded more shares on the market than ever in his life...this ought to be verifiable...i will see what i can find.. > > Scott is now on Board of L-3 and on that Board are a > number of business execs from Omaha including its > Pres/CEO JAMES CROWE. > Both Scott and Buffett figure prominently in the > FRANKLIN COVER UP and that is how In > stumbled upon their association to birth L-3. > > Per Skolnick, BUFFETT is deeply involved with CIA. > I have to wonder if the secrets of this technlogy > were leaked to the Chinese or stolen by them and then > recycled to MONTAUK which I understand is managed > by BATTELLE MEMORIAL iNSTITUTE (BMI). As > documented by Dr. Leonard Horowitz, BMI should be > on the short list of FBI suspects for source of anthrax > letters. > > There is a lot of activity by Chinese government in > California and I understand that Senator Diane > Feinstein's husband is very much involved in some of > this questionable trade between USA and CHINA. yes there is per: hard drug trafficking and arms...psychological operations go along with it > > Perhaps these two developments of remote control > technology are separate developments, but I suspect > otherwise. > > Patrick > http://community.webtv.net/patrick818/RescueMEofWaldo http://www.rumormillnews.net/cgi-bin/config.pl?read=20443 china and september 11 http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF8&q=china%2C%22september+1 1%22%2Cskolnick about two weeks after WTC event: Boeing signs huge China deal http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_1574000/1574486.stm [I wonder how much the price was knocked down, since China knew other demand for new Boeings would be reduced following the 9-11-01 air deaths.. --DE] = Also: holy doo-doo! dave, dick: please let me know if and when you receive this! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/psy-op/message/9326 this was posted to ctrl but i reposted to psy-op --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seeking research help to uncover the Golden Triangle Heroin Trade I have it on good information that Paul W. Lewis the American Baptist Missionary in Burma and Thailand to the Lahu and Akha was a CIA agent, upper management. That he was deeply involved in a major CIA heroin smuggling ring from Burma which still exhists to this day. That he was a mission plant, and that the reason he was picked was that he was related to top official(s) in Air America. I have searched widely on the net and there is almost no paper trail on Paul W (white?) Lewis on the web. He now lives in Claremont California at a misson retirement center but people also advise that he is a wealthy man. The Lahu are known drugs dealers in this region, and it is said that they were close to the operation i
[CTRL] New technology for catching liars poses privacy, moral problems
-Caveat Lector- New technology for catching liars poses privacy, moral problems Copyright © 2002 AP Online By CHRISTOPHER NEWTON, Associated Press WASHINGTON (June 21, 2002 3:41 p.m. EDT) - The world is becoming a trickier place for people who tell lies - even little white ones. >From thermal-imaging cameras, designed to read guilty eyes, to brain-wave scanners, which essentially watch a lie in motion, the technology of truth-seeking is leaping forward. At the same time, more people are finding their words put to the test, especially those who work for the government. FBI agents, themselves subjected to more polygraphs as a result of the Robert Hanssen spy case, have been administering lie detection tests at Fort Detrick, Md., and Dugway Proving Ground in Utah, bases with stores of anthrax. Nuclear plant workers also are getting the tests in greater numbers since Sept. 11. "There has been a reawakening of our interest in being able to determine the truth from each other," said sociologist Barbara Hetnick, who teaches a course on lying at Wooster College. "As technology advances, we may have to decide whether we want to let a machine decide guilt or innocence." The new frontiers of lie detection claim to offer greater reliability than the decades-old polygraph, which measures heart and respiratory rates as a person answers questions. They also pose new privacy problems, moral dilemmas and the possibility that the average person will unwittingly face a test. At the Mayo Clinic, researchers hope to perfect a heat-sensing camera that could scan people's faces and find subtle changes associated with lying. In a small study of 20 people, the high- resolution thermal imaging camera detected a faint blushing around the eyes of those who lied. The technique, still preliminary, could provide a simple and rapid way of scanning people being questioned at airports or border crossings, researchers say. But would it be legal? "As long as no one was being arrested or detained solely on the basis of the test, there is no law against scanning someone's face with a device," said Justin Hammerstein, a civil liberties attorney in New York. "You could use the device to subject someone to greater scrutiny in a physical search or background check, and it would be hard to argue that it is illegal." Barry Steinhardt of the American Civil Liberties Union said any technology that isn't 100 percent effective could lead unfairly to innocent travelers being stranded at airports. "You would be introducing chaos into the situation and inevitably focusing on people who are innocent," Steinhardt said. At the University of Pennsylvania, researcher Daniel Langleben is using a magnetic resonance imaging machine, the device used to detect tumors, to identify parts of the brain that people use when they lie. "In the brain, you never get something for nothing," Langleben said. "The process for telling a lie is more complicated than telling the truth, resulting in more neuron activity." Even for the smoothest-talker, lying is tough work for the brain. First, the liar must hear the question and process it. Almost by instinct, a liar will first think of the true answer before devising or speaking an already devised false answer. All that thinking adds up to a lot of electrical signals shooting back and forth. Langleben says the extra thought makes some sections of the brain light up like a bulb when viewed with an MRI. MRI machines are bulky, but their potential as lie detectors could lead to the invention of smaller, more specialized versions, Langleben said. Other tests are on the market, although how well they perform is an open question. Hand-held "voice stress" detectors already are being sold for $300 to $600 at some department stores and on the Internet. Makers claim the devices show when a person's voice trembles under the stress of a lie. Although skeptics say there is no proof they work, police in Philadelphia, Los Angeles and Miami are using more advanced versions and say they sometimes prompt confessions. Also, the subject need not be present. Police can record a suspect's voice and check it for stress later. Not everyone is sold on it. "Voices can shake because people are scared about being interrogated by police," said Thomas Jakes, president of People for Civil Rights. "This technology is nothing but a way to scare people." Critics say failure on any lie detector test can have unfair consequences, regardless of what the truth may be. Mark Mallah says he was suspended and put under 24-hour surveillance after failing a routine polygraph test in 1994, when he was an FBI counterintelligence agent. He was finally cleared and reinstated 19 months later. He quit. "They never produced any evidence or came forward with anything, but the polygraph still undermined my career," said Mallah, who practices law in San Francisco. In the CIA, routine polygraphs led to the suspicion of dozens of agents in the 1980s.
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers
-Caveat Lector- MJ Must be one of the rich pretty people yes...yeshe/she will balk at keeping the ugly people! www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers
-Caveat Lector- Well, MJ... I think I will start with a mouth cleaning business and start with yours... :) T www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Mind Control Pt 2
-Caveat Lector- Would someone send the portion of Mind Control Part 1? Thanks...for some reason I didn't receive it. Thanks! T www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers
-Caveat Lector- A Coward Well, if the policies on overweight people are passed...then the next to go will be the ugly people...they will have to fly at night so the pretty people won't have to look at them. Then MJ Start you OWN fucking airline and run it how YOU want. Regard$, --MJ Every citizen who has produced or acquired a product, should have the option of applying it immediately to his own use or of transferring it to whoever on the face of the earth agrees to give him in exchange the object of his desires. To deprive him of this option . . . solely to satisfy the convenience of another citizen, is to legitimize an act of plunder and to violate the law of justice. -- Frederic Bastiat http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers
-Caveat Lector- Well, if the policies on overweight people are passed...then the next to go will be the ugly people...they will have to fly at night so the pretty people won't have to look at them. Then the people who can't afford nice clothing will have to fly either with the ugly people at night or on designated poor day. THen of course will be the assault on caffeine, it makes certain people too jumpy and can cause unsettlement if they are upset. Then, before you know it, all of the ill people will have to be shipped to the moon because the healthy people won't want the weight of having to care for them on their shoulders. Then...why not kill all of the old people...or at least designate a state just for the geriatrics. That way slow drivers won't be in our way and June Allyson's depends can be shipped to one state and one state only clearing the aisles in the stores for more things for the thin, pretty, well-dressed rich people to buy. The insane will be shipped out with the sick and anyone that is less than perfect and makes less than 200,000.00 a year will have the choice of living and doing and buying whatever they want. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: Review Of BBC Documentary On Sex Trade In Bosnia, Kosovo
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Rick Rozoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 6:23 PMSubject: Review Of BBC Documentary On Sex Trade In Bosnia, Kosovo> [This is a personal, in every sense of the word,> review of a recent BBC documentary on the epidemic sex> slave trade introduced under the auspices of NATO> occupation in Bosnia and the Serbian province of> Kosovo. The reviewer lives in Belgium, from where she> watched the program.> The very title of this halfhearted expose is painful> to read, as it trivializes crimes against humanity and> against women in particular that are arguably the> worst in the world currently.> Several aid agencies have estimated that 500,000> Eastern European girls and young women are duped and> abducted into the brutal and dehumanizing sex slave> industry based primarily in NATO-administered Bosnia> and Kosovo every year.> Every year.> If a single, say, American or English girl were to> suffer this fate the world press would feature> screaming headlines condemning this sordid practice, a> blot on the conscience of humankind.> But when Russia, Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria and other> impoverished nations have hundreds of thousands of> their daughters kidnapped, raped, drugged, tormented,> violated and sold like so much cheap chattel the> so-called civilized world is conspicuously silent> about it, especially as the perpetrators of these> unspeakable crimes are more often than not Western> clients on whose behalf the US and NATO have gone to> war against innocent nations and peoples.> Particularly absent among those expressing concern> over this plague of modern slavery are the New York> and London based 'human rights' professionals, who are> adept at urging on the bombing of sovereign nations,> but who immediatey lose interest in the victims once> the aggression has ended.]> > > > > I saw the documentary: Boys Will Be Boys (BBC> 2-Correspondent) on Sunday. I must admit that I felt> phisically sick. Every single native confirmed that> all that mess started after the 'liberators' moved in.> And Mr Klein lied about the accusations of the young> Romanian girl ( she has indentified 17 men out of 20> from the photos Mr Klein showed her during his visit> in Romania on other business, but he had just drooped> by?!) who was saved by an Argentinian official serving> in Bosnia at the time of her enslavement. And guess> what: The Latino was dismissed and sent back to his> country. The girl was bewildered. First a man of Mr> Klein's position does not do this sort of thing that > he did with the girl, and that is against the> procedure. What happend to the real culprits? Nothing.> Most of them are Americans, and Mr Klein is a US> citizen, and in a high position, and he went> personally to Romania and lied to the journalist who> made this programme, and did not want to show the> document (he claims existed) about his 'interview' of> the Romanian girl. > In the meantime the whole enterprise is booming in> Bosnia & Kosovo, and soon in Afghanistan,... > All that made me so sick, apart from my real physical> conditions these days (which are very bad) > Is all this misery ever going to be fought against and> defeated?> D> > __> Do You Yahoo!?> Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup> http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com> www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and poure...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/21/02 5:56:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Is this true? The on-line news site Jama'at-ud-Da'awa http://www.markazdawa.org/ has the UK Mirror article posted on their website, and the article you responded to is on the UK Sunday Mirror site. According to this next article, it would appear that the massacre was in November, implying last November. http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/06/13/1023864326176.html excerpt Massacre at Mazar describes how thousands of Taliban troops were rounded up after the battle of Kunduz in November and taken in sealed shipping containers to Sheberghan prison, a jail then under US control in north-western Afghanistan. Then there is a radio show, CounterSpin, that discusses this, dated December 7 - 14, 2001. It affirms they are talking about a massacre in November 2001: http://www.webactive.com/webactive/cspin/cspin20011207.html A massacre of Taliban prisoners at a Northern Alliance compound has human rights groups and very few journalists demanding an investigation. But most media outlets don't seem to be pursuing the killing of hundreds of soldiers under the control of the US-backed Northern Alliance. Veteran human rights journalists and executive editor of MediaChannel.org Danny Schechter will join CounterSpin to talk about coverage of the prison massacre at Mazar-i-Sharif. (click on "listen to the entire program" and go to 8:27 for the segment to begin. The segment-specific link is the intro, not the section it's supposed to be.) - "Human Rights Watch" has a report "The Massacre in Mazir-I Sharif." It's about events that occurred in 1998 and makes no mention in the summary of US involvement. http://store.yahoo.com/hrwpubs/af11.html This report documents a massacre of civilians and other serious breaches of international humanitarian law committed in Afghanistan in August 1998. The incident, which occurred in Mazar-i Sharif, a city in northern Afghanistan, represents one of the single worst examples of killings of civilians in Afghanistanâs twenty-year war. No foreigners or press were allowed in the city or its environs at the time, and only a few humanitarian organizations have been permitted to carry out relief work in the city since the incident. Human Rights Watch is the first international human rights organization to interview survivors who have reached Pakistan in the weeks following the massacre. In the report, we urge the United Nations to undertake an urgent investigation into the massacre and the full range of abuses that took place in Mazar-i Sharif, including 1997 killings of Taliban soldiers in the city that motivated those involved in the subsequent offensive to seek revenge. Human Rights Watch believes that determining the truth about what happened represents the first step toward accountability and may provide a means toward breaking the cycle of revenge killings that continue to characterize the civil war in Afghanistan. AFGHANISTAN: The Massacre in Mazar-I Sharif, 11/98 C1007$3.00 -- Two different massacres? One in 1998 and one in 2001? It would appear so. > > -- Forwarded message -- > Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 05:08:40 +0700 > From: DDN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Subject: AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and > poured acid over their heads > > > 'AMERICA TORTURED TALIBAN' > Sunday Mirror report > Saturday 22nd June 2002 > > > AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and poured acid > over their heads before ordering their deaths, a TV documentary claims. > > The film Massacre At Mazar claims that the soldiers orchestrated the mass > slaughter of al-Qaeda fighters during an uprising at the prison following the > bloodiest battle of the Afghan war, at Mazar-e-Sharif. > > One Northern Alliance soldier says in the film: "The Americans did whatever > they wanted. We had no power to stop them. > > "I was a witness when an American soldier broke one prisoner's neck and > poured acid-like substances on others." > > Another witness claims four prisoners were beaten unconscious by US soldiers, > then disappeared. > > He says: "They cut their hair and poured acid or something on to them. They > were screaming and jumping up and down. They had a black stick and beat them." > > > The US and Northern Alliance have always denied claims of a massacre at the > Qala-i-Janghi fortress in Mazar-e-Sharif. > > The evidence of new atrocities comes after the Sunday Mirror published > pictures of the horrific treatment of Taliban fighters held at another camp, > Shibarghan - dubbed the Afghan Auschwitz. > > The film, made by British producer Jamie Doran, and shown to the German > parliament last week, also tells how 8,000 Taliban prisoners were rounded up > and transported in metal containers to Shirbaghan. > > A driver of one of the trucks says many prisoners died of thirst in the > s
[CTRL] Scott Ritter- Behind 'Plot' on Hussein, a Secret Agenda
-Caveat Lector- http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0619-01.htm Published on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times Behind 'Plot' on Hussein, a Secret Agenda Killing weapons inspections would clear way for war. by Scott Ritter President Bush has reportedly authorized the CIA to use all of the means at its disposal--including U.S. military special operations forces and CIA paramilitary teams--to eliminate Iraq's Saddam Hussein. According to reports, the CIA is to view any such plan as "preparatory" for a larger military strike. Congressional leaders from both parties have greeted these reports with enthusiasm. In their rush to be seen as embracing the president's hard-line stance on Iraq, however, almost no one in Congress has questioned why a supposedly covert operation would be made public, thus undermining the very mission it was intended to accomplish. It is high time that Congress start questioning the hype and rhetoric emanating from the White House regarding Baghdad, because the leaked CIA plan is well timed to undermine the efforts underway in the United Nations to get weapons inspectors back to work in Iraq. In early July, the U.N. secretary-general will meet with Iraq's foreign minister for a third round of talks on the return of the weapons monitors. A major sticking point is Iraqi concern over the use--or abuse--of such inspections by the U.S. for intelligence collection. I recall during my time as a chief inspector in Iraq the dozens of extremely fit "missile experts" and "logistics specialists" who frequented my inspection teams and others. Drawn from U.S. units such as Delta Force or from CIA paramilitary teams such as the Special Activities Staff (both of which have an ongoing role in the conflict in Afghanistan), these specialists had a legitimate part to play in the difficult cat-and-mouse effort to disarm Iraq. So did the teams of British radio intercept operators I ran in Iraq from 1996 to 1998--which listened in on the conversations of Hussein's inner circle--and the various other intelligence specialists who were part of the inspection effort. The presence of such personnel on inspection teams was, and is, viewed by the Iraqi government as an unacceptable risk to its nation's security. As early as 1992, the Iraqis viewed the teams I led inside Iraq as a threat to the safety of their president. They were concerned that my inspections were nothing more than a front for a larger effort to eliminate their leader. Those concerns were largely baseless while I was in Iraq. Now that Bush has specifically authorized American covert-operations forces to remove Hussein, however, the Iraqis will never trust an inspection regime that has already shown itself susceptible to infiltration and manipulation by intelligence services hostile to Iraq, regardless of any assurances the U.N. secretary-general might give. The leaked CIA covert operations plan effectively kills any chance of inspectors returning to Iraq, and it closes the door on the last opportunity for shedding light on the true state of affairs regarding any threat in the form of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Absent any return of weapons inspectors, no one seems willing to challenge the Bush administration's assertions of an Iraqi threat. If Bush has a factual case against Iraq concerning weapons of mass destruction, he hasn't made it yet. Can the Bush administration substantiate any of its claims that Iraq continues to pursue efforts to reacquire its capability to produce chemical and biological weapons, which was dismantled and destroyed by U.N. weapons inspectors from 1991 to 1998? The same question applies to nuclear weapons. What facts show that Iraq continues to pursue nuclear weapons aspirations? Bush spoke ominously of an Iraqi ballistic missile threat to Europe. What missile threat is the president talking about? These questions are valid, and if the case for war is to be made, they must be answered with more than speculative rhetoric. Congress has seemed unwilling to challenge the Bush administration's pursuit of war against Iraq. The one roadblock to an all-out U.S. assault would be weapons inspectors reporting on the facts inside Iraq. Yet without any meaningful discussion and debate by Congress concerning the nature of the threat posed by Baghdad, war seems all but inevitable. The true target of the supposed CIA plan may not be Hussein but rather the weapons inspection program itself. The real casualty is the last chance to avoid bloody conflict. Scott Ritter, a former U.N. weapons inspector in Iraq, is author of "Endgame: Solving the Iraq Problem, Once and for All" (Simon & Schuster, 1999). www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- d
[CTRL] BUSH'S GRIM VISION
-Caveat Lector- http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/062102a.html BUSH'S GRIM VISION By Nat Parry June 21, 2002 In the nine months since Sept. 11, George W. Bush has put the United States on a course that is so bleak that few analysts have â as the saying goes â connected the dots. If they had, they would see an outline of a future that mixes constant war overseas with abridgment of constitutional freedoms at home, a picture drawn by a politician who once joked, "If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier â so long as I'm the dictator." The dots are certainly there. Bush's speech at West Point on June 1 asserted a unilateral U.S. right to overthrow any government in the world that is deemed a threat to American security, a position so sweeping that it lacks historical precedent. "If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long," Bush said in describing what he calls a "new doctrine" and what some acolytes have dubbed the "Bush Doctrine." In a domestic corollary to this Bush Doctrine, Bush is asserting his personal authority to strip even U.S. citizens of due-process rights if he judges them "enemy combatants." With Vice President Dick Cheney and Attorney General John Ashcroft warning critics not to question Bush's policy, it's not too big a jump to see a future where there will be spying on dissenters and limits on public debate, especially now that Ashcroft has lifted restrictions on FBI surveillance activities. That possibility would grow if the Republicans succeed in regaining control of the Senate and place more of Bush's conservative political allies in the federal courts. Bush's grim vision is of a modern "crusade," as he once put it, with American military forces striking preemptively at "evil-doers" wherever they live, while U.S. citizens live under a redefined Constitution with rights that can be suspended selectively by one man. Beyond the enormous sacrifices of blood, money and freedom that this plan entails, there is another problem: the strategy offers no guarantee of greater security for Americans and runs the risk of deepening the pool of hatred against the United States. With his cavalier tough talk, Bush continues to show no sign that he grasps how treacherous his course is, nor how much more difficult it will be if the U.S. alienates large segments of the world's population. Goodwill Lost One of the most stunning results of Bush's behavior over the past nine months has been the dissipation of the vast reservoir of goodwill that sprang up toward the United States in the days after Sept. 11. In cities all over the world, people spontaneously carried flowers to the sidewalks outside U.S. embassies and joined in mourning for the more than 3,000 people murdered in New York, at the Pentagon and in Pennsylvania. I joined a kind of pilgrimage in Copenhagen, Denmark, as people carried bouquets, a New York Yankees cap and other symbols of sympathy to the U.S. Embassy. More substantively, governments around the globe opened their files to help U.S. authorities hunt down those behind the murders. European nations, which earlier had been alarmed by Bush's tendency toward unilateralism, hoped the inexperienced president would gain an appreciation for multilateral approaches toward addressing root causes of global problems and finding ways to create a more livable world. Some Europeans, for instance, thought Bush might reverse his repudiation of the Kyoto agreement, which seeks to curb global warming and avoid economic dislocations that would follow dramatic climate changes. Bush, however, appears to have learned the opposite lesson. He's grown more disdainful of international opinion. He seems intent on throwing American weight around and demanding that other nations follow whatever course he chooses. As for global warming, his administration now has accepted the scientific evidence that human activity is contributing to a dangerous heating of the planet, but he continues to favor âvoluntaryâ approaches to the problem and opposes collaborating with other nations to limit emissions to retard those trends. On the war against terrorism, Bush has asserted that he will judge whether another country is "with us, or you are with the terrorists." [Sept. 20, 2001] If a country picks the wrong side, Bush will decide when, how or if that country's government will be overthrown. Bush started with Afghanistan before fingering the "axis of evil" states: Iraq, Iran and North Korea. His supporters have lobbied to expand the list to add nations as diverse as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Cuba. Bush's actions have alarmed traditional U.S. allies in Western Europe. To them, the first clear post-Sept. 11 signal that Bush still had little interest in multilateral cooperation was his disregard of international concerns over the treatment of prisoners locked in open cages at Camp X-Ray on the U.S. military base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Bush drew
[CTRL] TREASON IS THE REASON: Mystery spies outed by FBI whistleblower
-Caveat Lector- http://www.antiwar.com/justin/justincol.html June 21, 2002 TREASON IS THE REASON Mystery spies outed by FBI whistleblower The US government can be compared to a woman with a horribly disfigured â indeed, a downright grotesque â face, who, nonetheless, manages to hide her increasingly ugly mug with such an array of near-miraculous cosmetics, roseate lighting, and diversionary tactics that the casual observer is fooled into beholding what he believes is a great beauty. But every once in a great while the mask slips at a moment when the lighting is cruelly revealing, and we get a glimpse of the horror that lurks beneath. In the wake of 9/11, federal law enforcement agencies have indeed been seen in a new â and especially cruel â light. Where were they when Osama bin Laden and fellow ghouls were plotting the destruction of the WTC and the Pentagon right here under our noses? The picture that has emerged, at least up until very recently, is one of incompetence on the level of the Keystone Kops, a tragi-comedy of errors â but now, it appears, that is the very least of itâ¦. The mask is slipping badly, now, and the spotlight is shining brightly, revealing not just stupidity, bureaucratic ineptitude, and inter-departmental competition, but also â treason. For nothing less than treason is the reason yet another FBI whistle-blower is making headlines with revelations that make Coleen Rowley's charges of high-level obstructionism in the Zacarias Moussaoui case look relatively innocuous. "2 FBI Whistle-Blowers Allege Lax Security, Possible Espionage," the Washington Post headline modestly avers, but that is putting it rather too mildly. Not since Whittaker Chambers exposed a Stalinist nest high in the topmost branches of the US government has the light been shone on such a deep â and dangerous â penetration of the nation's high security innards. Sibel Edmonds, 32, a former wiretap translator in the FBI's Washington field office, has stepped forward with a shocking narrative of official obstructionism and high-level espionage that breaks down into four stunning accusations: 1) One of her fellow FBI translators, a so-far-unidentified woman, "belonged to the Middle Eastern organization whose taped conversations she had been translating for FBI counterintelligence agents," according to the Post. "This person told us she worked for our target organization," Edmonds says. "These are the people we are targeting, monitoring." This other translator also met with "a foreign official subject to the surveillance." Furthermore, says Edmonds, this woman (and her husband, a military officer) "tried to recruit her to join the targeted foreign group." 2) As Edmonds wrote in a March letter to the inspector general's office: "Investigations are being compromised. Incorrect or misleading translations are being sent to agents in the field. Translations are being blocked and circumvented." 3) This mysterious "Middle Eastern organization" had a definite preference insofar as to how the FBI's wiretaps were translated â and by whom. Edmonds says that the woman presented her with "a list dividing up individuals whose phone lines were being secretly tapped: Under the plan, the woman would translate conversations of her former co-workers in the target organization, and Edmonds would handle other phone calls." When Edmonds refused, "the woman told her that her lack of cooperation could put her family in danger." 4) When she went to her bosses with this information, Edmonds â instead of being thanked, and given a medal â was summarily fired for being "disruptive." One has to ask: "disruptive" of what? The spy nest ensconced so firmly in the upper reaches of US "law enforcement"? Before going any further, let's clear up the matter of this mysterious "Middle Eastern organization" that takes such an active interest in â and apparently has such an all-pervasive influence over â the internal workings of our very own FBI. "Officials asked that the name of the target group not be revealed for national security reasons," the Post reports, yet enough clues are buried â and not very deeply â throughout this story by James V. Grimaldi that we can narrow the possible suspects to a considerable degree. While Edmonds is so far refusing to identify this snake hiding amid the high grass of the FBI's Washington compound, the Post tells us: "She is a 33-year-old U.S. citizen whose native country is home to the target group. Both Edmonds and the other translator are US citizens who trace their ethnicity to the same Middle Eastern country." A friend with access to Lexis-Nexis â hey, we can't afford such bourgeois luxuries here at Antiwar.com! Whaddaya think this is: the Weekly Standard? â informs me that there is indeed a Sibel Edmonds, 33, of Northern Virginia, formerly Sibel Ganiz or Sibel Deniz, the latter a Turkish name, although Sibel is perhaps Jewish or Armenian. Another bit of evidence: Edmonds
[CTRL] Motion M-527 - MP Svend Robinson on Canada leading ban on space weapons
-Caveat Lector- Motion M-527 - MP Svend Robinson on Canada leading international ban on space weapons (le français suit l'anglais) HOUSE OF COMMONS OF CANADA Debates Motion on the Order Paper June 20th, 2002 Weaponization of Space M-527 - June 20, 2002 - Mr. Robinson (Burnaby-Douglas) - On or after Thursday, July 4, 2002 - That, in the opinion of this House the government should, given the termination of the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty and U.S. military plans to include space-based weapons in the National Missile Defence (NMD) system, lead an international effort to ban the introduction of all weapons in space through a binding international agreement against the weaponization of space. CHAMBRE DES COMMUNES Débats Motion sur le Feuilleton Le 20 juin 2002 L'arsenalisation de l'espace M-527 - 20 juin 2002 - M. Robinson (Burnaby-Douglas) - À compter du jeudi 4 juillet 2002 - Que, de l'avis de la Chambre, le gouvernement devrait prendre l'initiative des efforts internationaux afin d'interdire l'arsenalisation de l'espace dans le cadre d'un accord international ayant force obligatoire, étant donné l'extinction du Traité sur les missiles anti-missiles balistiques (ABM) et les plans des militaires américains visant à implanter des armes dans le système national de défense antimissile (NMD). ___ ICIS - Institute for Cooperation in Space http://www.peaceinspace.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICIS (USA): Dr. Carol Rosin [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 25040, Ventura, CA 93001 ICIS (Canada): Alfred Lambremont Webre, JD, MEd 2225 West 41 Avenue, PO Box 18153 Vancouver, BC V6M4L3 http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Middle East debate - time for plain speaking
-Caveat Lector- http://www.intelbriefing.com/afi/afi020619.htm Middle East debate - time for plain speaking It has not been quite normal service for the pro-Israeli media machine this week, The British Prime Ministers wife, Cherie Blair was honest enough to make a perfectly fair remark that it is a pity that so many young Palestinians feel they have little alternative to wrapping explosives around their body and killing yet more Israelis. Surely every bereaved Israeli family would echo that view? Ted Turner owner of CNN went further accusing both Israel and the Palestinians of using terrorist tactics, bringing a storm of abuse from the Jewish lobby upon his head. Why this highly charged sensitivity by Israel and its supporters? Israel is a state founded largely on a very successful terrorist campaign by the Stern Gang and the Irgun against British Servicemen and civilians. Israel must be one of the few modern, supposedly democratic nations that has elected two wanted terrorists Begin and Shamir and a third accused of something akin to war crimes by his own Government Sharon, to the office of Prime Minister. Israel has used assassination and terror-like tactics throughout the Middle East and Europe for much of the last forty years, without too much complaint or interference from its Western supporters. Israel has stolen nuclear materials, attacked a US Navy vessel killing many Americans on board, shot down civilian aircraft, launched an air attack on Iraqi nuclear facilities at a time when the Baghdad regime was still seen as a valuable Western ally, spied on the United States, ignored countless UN resolutions and many other actions which if carried out by a Muslim nation would have brought a violent and angry response from Washington and London. Even-handed approach is the only way forward However, admitting the truth about Israel should not be seen as excusing or encouraging Islamic terrorism. None of the Arab nations are exactly peons of virtue, dedicated to democracy, the protection of civil rights or the emancipation of women. Many in the Arab world are racist demagogues, their nations dictatorships with an appalling record of human abuse and a record of stupidity and intransigence when it comes to diplomatic efforts to solve the problems of Palestine and over the acceptance of Israel as part of the Middle East community of nations. Both the Palestinians and the Israelis are at heart sophisticated and reasonable people. They both have much to offer each other and the region as a whole. However, the similarities don't just end there. Both are bloody minded, vengeful and willing to use extreme violence against each other. The most constructive change in attitude amongst Western Governments and the news Media would be to take a more even handed approach to the problems of the Middle East, in other words stop taking sides. Washington has a vital role to play as a honest broker in future peace negotiations, but to achieve the maximum benefit, trust between America and the Palestinians and the wider Arab world must be quickly restored. To be frank that is unlikely to happen while the Bush administration is so obviously being 'bossed' by right-wing Zionists and in truth the US Government has now lost virtually all credibility outside Israel and a few Arab client states.Whether Colin Powell and the few remaining level-headed members of the current administration can still finally produce a viable and balanced approach to the immense and threatening problems of the region will determine the chances of a lasting peace for a generation or more. Time for peace running out The signs are not good from the USA nor in Israel's response to the latest Islamic terrorist outrage. Israel has been in illegal occupation of large areas of Arab land for 35 years and it has not brought the Jews peace or security. The building of a new Berlin-wall style security zone and the Israeli threat to virtually annexe an additional area of Palestinian land every time a suicide bomber strikes is madness. Will it be 10 or perhaps 30 more suicide bombings before Israel has seized the entire West Bank? Israel will be left with a permanent security problem as the occupying power with no remaining options for a negotiated settlement and the growing enmity of the entire Muslim world. Time is running out quickly for Washington's efforts to find a way out of this impasse, and Iraq, Iran, Syria and the War on Terrorism are still waiting their turn. Richard M. Bennett www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to th
[CTRL] THE SECRET COVENANT. Full version, rated R !
-Caveat Lector- http://www.bankindex.com/read.asp?ID=861 THE SECRET COVENANT. Full version, rated R ! THE SECRET COVENANT An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception. Those who will see it will be thought of as insane. We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us. We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur. We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute. We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks. We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite. We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening. We will use soft metals, aging accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air. They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn. The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison. The poisons will be absorbed trough their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems. >From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information. The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear. We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far. We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones. Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons. They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know their true effect. When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them its for their help. We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things. When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future. When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine. We will render them docile and weak before us by our power. They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison. We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they many never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon. We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labor for us and we shall prosper from their toil. Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way. We will make them kill each other when it suits us. We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion. We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how. We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves. We will foment animosity between them through our factions. When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best. We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children. We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend. The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other. They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbors for as long as we see fit. We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us. We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths. We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished. We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds. We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this. The tools will be provided by their labor. We will make them hate themselves and their neighbors. We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know! They must never know that color is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal. Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal. We will take over their land, resources and wealth to
[CTRL] VICTOR THORN FOR PRESIDENT, THE OUTSIDER PARTY
-Caveat Lector- http://www.bankindex.com/read.asp?ID=859 VICTOR THORN FOR PRESIDENT, THE OUTSIDER PARTY This is what we need. PLATFORM * Expose the Globalist international bankers that control the United States Government from behind the scenes, then permanently eradicate them from our political system. * Abolish the Federal Reserve. * Default on that portion of our National Debt which is owed to the international bankers. A savings of $359 billion a year on interest payments. (see table one) * Return the creation of money to Congress as it was prior to 1913. * Abolish all Globalist trade agreements such as NAFTA and GATT. * Impose a tariff on all goods being imported into this country. * Prohibit ownership of more than ONE media source by any individual or corporation. * Remove the Federal Government from any endeavor that the private sector can perform. Savings from transferring the Postal Service would be $17 billion a year, and over $500 million for Amtrak. * End all Federal funding to public education and return it to a state and/or local level. A savings of $50.3 billion a year. * Abolish the Voter News Service (VNS) and computerized vote tallying, thus allowing election results to be determined by the voters, not a single corporation. * Institute a flat tax with no loopholes, virtually eliminating the IRS. A savings of $10.4 billion a year. * Pass a balanced budget bill, insured by the fact that all Congressmen get paid last. * Greatly reduce campaign contributions of any kind (not allowed as tax write-offs or business expenses), and replace them with Internet campaigns. * Allow the States to vote upon which Federal laws they wish to alter or eliminate. * All Social Security and Medicaid payments should be forwarded to an individual's bank account, not the Federal Government, thus allowing the citizens to not only collect interest on this money, but to also to invest a certain percentage as they see fit. The savings would be enormous. * Open 99% of all government files - no more hiding behind a "National Security" blanket. (example: John Lennon's file) * All Federally elected government officials will be limited to one-term. * Institute an accountability for the "bureaucracy culture" - perks, etc. * Freeze all foreign aid. A savings of $25 billion a year. * Leave unchanged all expenditures to the military, entitlement & social programs, and other Federal agencies. * Greatly reduce legal immigration, and severely outlaw illegal immigration (there are now 8.7 illegal immigrants in this country) * Make it illegal for corporations to establish offshore and overseas bank accounts to avoid paying income taxes. A mere 10% increase in the collected total of corporate income taxes would raise $20 billion in revenue. * Expose the plethora of underground bases and installations being maintained by our government (ex: Mount Weather) * Prohibit the CIA and other Intelligence agencies from generating black-budget money via illegal activities such as drug trafficking, arms sales, and money laundering. * Immediately eliminate corporate welfare, tax breaks, and business subsidies. A savings of $150 billion a year. * Develop hydrogen as an alternative to fossil fuels. * Outlaw the spraying of poisonous chemicals (Chem Trails) in our skies. * Introduce legislation into the United Nations that outlaws the implantation of computer microchips into humans, cloning, designer babies, and mind control experiments by participating nations. * Expose the truth behind who created the AIDS virus (it is a man-made disease), then find a cure for it immediately (if it doesn't already exist). TABLE ONE: National Debt: $5.9 trillion Amount owed to intranational banks: $2.54 trillion Amount owed to the public: $3.38 trillion Percentage of debt held by intranational banks: 37% Interest per year on National Debt: $359 billion Result: Default on all debts to international bankers, then make a one-time payoff to all public holders of the debt, thus getting the Federal Government out of the borrowing business. RESULTS: * The above listed initiatives would result in savings of $632.2 billion per year, which would result in a 30% reduction in our current $2.05 trillion budget. * If we also impose tariffs on all goods imported into this country, totaling $1.4 trillion per year, and tax those at 5%, we could generate $700 billion a year. * Thus, if we total the above: $632.2 billion from the savings outlined in the Outsider Party's platform, and $700 billion in revenue from tariffs, the total is $1.332 trillion. Now, if we subtract that from the $2.05 trillion dollar budget, the difference is only $718 billion dollars. * At the current time, taxpayers furnish (via income taxes) approximately $1.02 trillion of the $2.05 trillion dollar budget, which equals 49%. But if we trim $1.332 trillion from the $2.05 trillion dollar budget, this means personal income taxes will be eliminated (with
[CTRL] AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and poured acid over their heads (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- Is this true? -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 05:08:40 +0700 From: DDN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Subject: AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and poured acid over their heads 'AMERICA TORTURED TALIBAN' Sunday Mirror report Saturday 22nd June 2002 AMERICAN troops cut out the tongues of Taliban prisoners and poured acid over their heads before ordering their deaths, a TV documentary claims. The film Massacre At Mazar claims that the soldiers orchestrated the mass slaughter of al-Qaeda fighters during an uprising at the prison following the bloodiest battle of the Afghan war, at Mazar-e-Sharif. One Northern Alliance soldier says in the film: "The Americans did whatever they wanted. We had no power to stop them. "I was a witness when an American soldier broke one prisoner's neck and poured acid-like substances on others." Another witness claims four prisoners were beaten unconscious by US soldiers, then disappeared. He says: "They cut their hair and poured acid or something on to them. They were screaming and jumping up and down. They had a black stick and beat them." The US and Northern Alliance have always denied claims of a massacre at the Qala-i-Janghi fortress in Mazar-e-Sharif. The evidence of new atrocities comes after the Sunday Mirror published pictures of the horrific treatment of Taliban fighters held at another camp, Shibarghan - dubbed the Afghan Auschwitz. The film, made by British producer Jamie Doran, and shown to the German parliament last week, also tells how 8,000 Taliban prisoners were rounded up and transported in metal containers to Shirbaghan. A driver of one of the trucks says many prisoners died of thirst in the stifling containers. Another witness admits to accidental fatalities when he shot holes in the side of containers to allow prisoners to breath. He says: "They were crying for air. I hit the side with bullets to create air - and some were killed." And two men claim they were forced to drive hundreds of Taliban into the desert where they were shot while up to 40 US soldiers looked on. The film is based on testimonies from six witnesses, including a senior army officer. All have agreed to give evidence at any future war crimes tribunal. Last night human rights lawyer Andrew McEntee, former chairman of Amnesty International UK, called for the allegations to be investigated. He said: "These alleged crimes would carry a life imprisonment in many countries." A US Army spokesman said later: "We have been asked about allegations that Taliban prisoners were executed while US special forces soldiers stood by and watched. We checked and didn't have anything to substantiate those allegations." http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/ Contributed by: jdshu ojijm http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Lt Vreeland Out-Psyops the Psyopers
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/21/02 5:06:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The real > documents will come out and these people who have had a chance to > help with this and who have bashed me will be the last to ever know. > I know who they all are and they have no clue what I know about them > and that is a lot more then they know about me. This guy is a hoot and has far exceeded his fifteen minutes. Laura http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Lt Vreeland Out-Psyops the Psyopers
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- http://pub95.ezboard.com/fwwwltvreelandcomfrm1.showMessage? topicID=111.topic A SHORT EXPLANATION OF WHAT I AM UP TO AND WHY I DID IT. JUST LIKE THE ART OF WAR Well, it is pretty simple. The rules of war and strategy are numerous, however, there is always one strategy that must be followed. That strategy is a simple one and I cannot believe so many people have not noticed this. The first and most important issue of war is knowing who your enemies are. Finding out who they are is not always the easiest thing to do so you need to run a little psyops on the masses yourself until you get the basher to come out of the foxhole. Once they come out, the take on followers and then you see all of the enemy's soldiers and then you allow them to play their game and just feed it a bit while waiting for the last few traitors to join the other side. Once you have sat back long enough you will then see your true enemies and then know who not to trust and whom you can. It did not take me long to throw out a few bones for the enemy to come calling in this little war. Nope, not to long at all. I waited for them to try and set me up. What they did not know was that I was setting them up for the fall the entire time. Example. The want to be writer Smith. AKA- BOSEHUGGER. I feed him and he took the bait. I then told him no, he gets pissed and then bashes me. Even admitting that he attacked my site several times in posts he made that I printed for future reference. I feed him a bone, it was so very hard and sour, he got pissed and his true colors came shining through. That is just a simpleton example but an example all the same. The radio station. I didn't do the interview that day for several reasons, yet the most part was a fake gag order. Second was the set up I was in for on that date. They did not want to get the story out, they wanted to do the same thing the rest of the enemy did, bash and discredit and kill and hide the real issues. I did not let them do what they wanted. True as it may be, they are bashing me; I am still in the winning circle. It is so easy to see that these people have no other agenda then bashing and discrediting me. The proof lies in what they say and ask and the way the comment on issues and statements I make. I say the sky is black. They say I said the sky was not blue. This is a simple point if you follow me. See, I said" the sky is black" and in fact it is. Yet they QUOTE ME as saying the sky is not blue. There is a significant difference here in the words used, as blue and black are 2 different words and colors. They can quote me correctly as saying the sky is black and try and argue from their point and say it is blue. However, we all know that the argument, if attempted, would be wrong and meaningless as the sky is black. The sun is what lightens the sky and makes it appear to be blue. I know this may seem to be off point; however, it is just an example of the misquoting that they all do. Then we get this MKULTRA crap. The child porno crap and the stealing and drugs and whatever else they can come up with. If I was to answer to all this as it rolled out the enemy would have constantly had some way to try and place a new swing to their arguments. To deny them the tools needed to advance upon me, which would be answers to the questions and statements to the accusations made by them at the time, would be like sending them weapons with no ammunition. That is what I have done so far. There are some pretty bold statements made by many people regarding the information above. Kiddy porn, stealing, drugs, lies, fake documents, fake tapes etc A
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] New Story -- College Professor Teaching History And 9/11 Using Ruppert, Fitts, Castillo and Scott
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- Title: New Story -- College Professor Teaching History And 9/11 Using Ruppert, Fitts, Castillo and Scott -Caveat Lector- Please Distribute Widely… Telling the Truth About 9/11 AND American HISTORY Unsuppressed History: Teacher Educates Youth Using Ruppert, Peter Dale Scott, Fitts As Sources by Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. [Copyright 2002, From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. All Rights Reserved. May be copied, distributed, or reposted on the worldwide web for non-profit purposes only.] “The world as I knew it before this semester no longer exists. It’s like a dream, as if I had been living in wonderland, but then I woke up. The reality of our society hit me right in the face. Although what I learned in this class has disappointed me, I’m glad to be given the opportunity of looking beyond my own personal life—to be given a choice to care for what happens to all of us as a nation. The rule of law may not prevail, but we as individuals still have the freedom to make choices, and those choices can help to weaken those who are still seeking total control.” June 20, 2002, 15:00 PDT (FTW) -- These words were written by one of my U.S. history students in a survey course covering the period of 1865 to current time, after she had viewed Mike Ruppert’s video documentary “The Truth & Lies of 9-11.” I have designed this course, which explores the events following the Civil War known as Reconstruction, through the end of the 20th century, to culminate in an alternative examination of the events of Sept. 11. From the beginning of the course, we observed the burgeoning power of corporate Robber Barons in America following the Civil War and their ascendancy to economic and political dominance of the nation in the late-19th and early-20th centuries, attended by egregious racism and ethnocentrism among white Americans. We studied the eugenics movement that was funded and promoted by corporate giants such as Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Kellogg, Harriman and Carnegie. As we explored the 1920s and ‘30s, we observed the dominant attitude of businessmen and politicians, which was: “The business of America is business.” Moreover, it became increasingly obvious that the imperialistic foreign policy of America at the turn of the century was economically essential in order to create markets for American goods produced by shamefully-exploited workers of African-American and European descent. We examined World War I and Hitler’s rise to power in the 1930s and the ensuing attack on Pearl Harbor which ushered in World War II. Many students were completely unfamiliar with the fascism of the Third Reich, and their viewing of “Schindler’s List,” which many had never seen, was a profoundly wrenching and eye-opening experience. Sociologist, James Loewen, writes, “The glue that makes history stick is emotion.” Clearly, these students will not soon shed the emotional impact of viewing then discussing “Schindler’s List” and asking themselves if such crimes against humanity could ever happen again or happen in America. Having never lived through the Red Scare of post-World War II America, it was difficult for my students to grasp anti-Communist hysteria. I tried to explain that in the early-1950s, being, or being suspected of being a Communist in America, was somewhat equivalent to being suspected of being a child molester in the 21st century. Nevertheless, they could not grasp the blatant violations of civil liberties during the ‘50s by the CIA, FBI and congressional committees investigating Communist activities. Particularly horrifying to them was the History Channel documentary, “Mind Control: America’s Secret War,” which outlin
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] New Story -- College Professor Teaching History And 9/11 Using Ruppert, Fitts, Castillo and Scott
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- Title: New Story -- College Professor Teaching History And 9/11 Using Ruppert, Fitts, Castillo and Scott -Caveat Lector- Please Distribute Widely… Telling the Truth About 9/11 AND American HISTORY Unsuppressed History: Teacher Educates Youth Using Ruppert, Peter Dale Scott, Fitts As Sources by Carolyn Baker, Ph.D. [Copyright 2002, From The Wilderness Publications, www.copvcia.com. All Rights Reserved. May be copied, distributed, or reposted on the worldwide web for non-profit purposes only.] “The world as I knew it before this semester no longer exists. It’s like a dream, as if I had been living in wonderland, but then I woke up. The reality of our society hit me right in the face. Although what I learned in this class has disappointed me, I’m glad to be given the opportunity of looking beyond my own personal life—to be given a choice to care for what happens to all of us as a nation. The rule of law may not prevail, but we as individuals still have the freedom to make choices, and those choices can help to weaken those who are still seeking total control.” June 20, 2002, 15:00 PDT (FTW) -- These words were written by one of my U.S. history students in a survey course covering the period of 1865 to current time, after she had viewed Mike Ruppert’s video documentary “The Truth & Lies of 9-11.” I have designed this course, which explores the events following the Civil War known as Reconstruction, through the end of the 20th century, to culminate in an alternative examination of the events of Sept. 11. From the beginning of the course, we observed the burgeoning power of corporate Robber Barons in America following the Civil War and their ascendancy to economic and political dominance of the nation in the late-19th and early-20th centuries, attended by egregious racism and ethnocentrism among white Americans. We studied the eugenics movement that was funded and promoted by corporate giants such as Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, Kellogg, Harriman and Carnegie. As we explored the 1920s and ‘30s, we observed the dominant attitude of businessmen and politicians, which was: “The business of America is business.” Moreover, it became increasingly obvious that the imperialistic foreign policy of America at the turn of the century was economically essential in order to create markets for American goods produced by shamefully-exploited workers of African-American and European descent. We examined World War I and Hitler’s rise to power in the 1930s and the ensuing attack on Pearl Harbor which ushered in World War II. Many students were completely unfamiliar with the fascism of the Third Reich, and their viewing of “Schindler’s List,” which many had never seen, was a profoundly wrenching and eye-opening experience. Sociologist, James Loewen, writes, “The glue that makes history stick is emotion.” Clearly, these students will not soon shed the emotional impact of viewing then discussing “Schindler’s List” and asking themselves if such crimes against humanity could ever happen again or happen in America. Having never lived through the Red Scare of post-World War II America, it was difficult for my students to grasp anti-Communist hysteria. I tried to explain that in the early-1950s, being, or being suspected of being a Communist in America, was somewhat equivalent to being suspected of being a child molester in the 21st century. Nevertheless, they could not grasp the blatant violations of civil liberties during the ‘50s by the CIA, FBI and congressional committees investigating Communist activities. Particularly horrifying to them was the History Channel documentary, “Mind Control: America’s Secret War,” which outlin
[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Accused Businessman Blasts Bush
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020620/ap_on_re_eu/attac ks_germany_1 Accused Businessman Blasts Bush Thu Jun 20, 6:55 PM ET By TONY CZUCZKA, Associated Press Writer BERLIN (AP) - A Syrian-born businessman who knew Sept. 11 ringleader Mohamed Atta and has been accused of operating an al-Qaida front lashed out at President Bush on Thursday and denied any connection to terrorism. Mamoun Darkazanli, described by the FBI as a well-connected agent of Osama bin Laden, was questioned by German police shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. But he was freed for lack of evidence and continues to live in Hamburg, Germany, where Atta and two other hijackers had lived. Speaking to The Associated Press in a telephone interview, Darkazanli bristled when asked about connections to a number of al-Qaida suspects and accused Bush of making unproven allegations. "I personally don't think they are terrorists. There must be an international court for these people to be proven guilty," Darkazanli said. "Bush is not the judge of all of humanity." Darkazanli, one of the first people to appear on U.S. suspect lists, has denied any links to bin Laden or the Sept. 11 attacks. The U.S. Treasury Department ordered a freeze of his personal assets and those held by his import-export company. German officials followed suit and placed him under formal investigation but say they do not have enough evidence to detain him. "The German authorities hold nothing against me, and no one else holds anything against me," Darkazanli said. "The law in Germany works well." Darkazanli has said previously that he attended the wedding of Said Bihaji, one of the three men sought by German authorities for alleged links to the Hamburg cell involved in Sept. 11. Also at the wedding was Atta, believed to have been the ringleader of the attacks, and Ziad Jarrah, who was aboard United Airlines flight 93 which crashed in rural Pennsylvania. Darkazanli refused to discuss his relationship with Atta on Thursday. Spanish authorities have alleged that Darkazanli knew Imad Yarkas, the suspected leader of a cell which recruited for al-Qaida. The Syrian-born Yarkas was arrested in Spain in November and became the first person charged overseas in connection with Sept. 11. Darkazanli first caught the attention of German investigators in 1998 when they learned he had power of attorney over a German bank account opened by bin Laden's suspected financial chief, Mamdouh Mahmud Salim. But Darkazanli said the account access was for a business deal that fell through and that he never heard from Salim again. Darkazanli is not the only Syrian-born suspect connected to the Sept. 11 investigation whom German officials are interested in finding. A government official in Berlin said Thursday that Germany has asked the United States to help explain how Mohammed Haydar Zammar, who reportedly recruited Atta while they both lived in Hamburg, ended up in custody in his native Syria. German investigators say they questioned Zammar immediately after the Sept. 11 attacks but let him go for lack of evidence. He then left Germany and was arrested in Morocco under unclear circumstances. A German intelligence official said this week that the Moroccans later sent him to Syria, where he remains in custody. The German Foreign Ministry said Thursday that it had asked Syria about the case and was told that no German was in custody there. U.S. authorities reportedly knew about the arrest but didn't tell Germany. "We have taken up the case with the Americans and asked for an explanation in the case," said the official, who spoke on
[CTRL] Fwd: [Spy News] Dick Cheney Complains About Leaks
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020620/ap_on_go_co/attac ks_intelligence_36 Dick Cheney Complains About Leaks Thu Jun 20, 1:05 PM ET By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney complained to lawmakers Thursday about leaks that he believes led to disclosure of the National Security Agency's Sept. 10 intercepts of at least two messages in Arabic that suggested a major event was to take place the next day. At President Bush's direction, Cheney called Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla., chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, "to express the president's concerns about this inappropriate disclosure," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. Fleischer called the disclosure "alarmingly specific." "The information that is being provided to these committees is extraordinarily sensitive," Fleischer said. "The selective, inappropriate leaking of snippets of information risks undermining national security, and it risks undermining the promises made to protect this sensitive information." There was no immediate comment from Graham and Goss's offices. Their committees are holding a joint inquiry into Sept. 11 attacks. Fleischer said "we do not know who did it," but Cheney's phone call seemed to point a finger directly at the committees. Fleischer said Goss and Graham pledged to address the matter "wisely and properly." Concern about possible leaks has been a key reason the White House has opposed setting up an independent commission to investigate the attacks. The commission has been sought by some lawmakers and relatives of the victims. President Bush has said the intelligence panels were better positioned to avoid leak. They "understand the obligations of upholding our secrets and our sources and methods of collecting intelligence," he said last month. But Bush has clashed with Congress before over leaks. On Oct. 5, he issued a memo limiting sensitive congressional briefings to the top leaders of the House and Senate and their intelligence committees. He dropped the restrictions a week later after getting assurances from Graham and Goss that they would rein in their members. Fleischer did not address questions from reporters about the NSA's intercepts themselves. But he said that a 1998 leak that American intelligence agencies were eavesdropping on Osama bin Laden's satellite phone conversations led bin Laden to stop using that phone. "We are in the middle of a war, and one of the ways to prevent attacks on the United States and to win the war is to be able to obtain information from our enemies," Fleischer said. If the enemy learns of U.S. capabilities, "they're going to change their methods." The Sept. 10 intercepts were not translated until Sept. 12. Intelligence agencies aren't sure if it they were actually a warning of the attacks at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, an intelligence source said Wednesday. Even if they were, they provided no information that authorities could have acted on, the intelligence source said. The mere mention of a time was insufficient to provide clues of what was to come, the source said. The messages, recorded in two separate conversations, contained the phrases, "Tomorrow is zero hour," and "The match is about to begin," the intelligence source said. The messages were believed to be recorded from telephone conversations. A U.S. intelligence official, while declining to comment on the NSA intercepts, said a piece of raw intelligence that contains only a date provides little useful information. The official said that both before an
[CTRL] W Drama Pt3
-Caveat Lector- >From The Globalist }}}>Begin This story was printed from The Globalist, located at http://www.TheGlobalist.com. Saudi Texas Vs. Japanese Texas URL: http://www.theglobalist.com/nor/richter/2002/04-08-02.shtml Copyright (c) 2002 by TransAtlantic Futures, Inc. What challenges face the Texan concept of wealth in terms of resource extraction? If Texas were an independent republic, as it was from 1836-1845, it would be a third world country with a small first world sector embedded in it. Think of it as a big Saudi Arabia enfolding a small Japan. The older Texan economy is based on primitive commodity capitalism cotton, cattle, oil. The mentality of the traditional Texan businessman is that of the premodern "seigneurial" elite. According to the Italian historian Raimondo Luraghi, this grouping included not only the slave-owners of the U.S. South but also the British "Nabobs" of the West Indies, the Mexican hacendados, and Brazil's plantation owners. A lack of industry Thus, it is not an industrial capitalist mindset at all. Rather, this strain of the Texas mentality is that of the Spanish conquistador who dreamed of quickly acquiring fabulous wealth by plunder rather than effort. One of the most popular tales in the impoverished folklore of Anglo-Celtic Texas is a story about fabled knife-fighter Jim Bowie. In this story, the legendary Mr. Bowie discovered a lost Spanish silver mine near San Antonio just before he was killed in the Battle of the Alamo. As Cortes and Pizarro and other Spanish thugs dreamed of American Indian treasure, Bowie and other Anglo-Celtic Texan thugs dreamed of Spanish treasure. The idea of making one's fortune through hard, steady, patient work has been strange and repugnant on both sides of the Rio Grande River. Inventing Texas? Equally alien to this older Texas economy is the idea of invention. The "Yankee inventor" Thomas Edison, Henry Ford is a familiar icon. But there has only been one famous Southern inventor Cyrus McCormick, a Virginian. As it turns out, his invention, the McCormick Reaper, was not wanted in the pre- Civil War South simply because slaves were cheaper than machines. McCormick made his fortune in the North, where high wages among free workers created incentives for mechanized agriculture. Lay the blame on oil The discovery of oil in Texas was a social disaster. It made the Texas oil man a global symbol of the crass parvenu at least until the vulgar Saudi sheikh appeared. As in Saudi Arabia, oil riches prevented the reform of antiquated social structures and archaic habits of mind.Thanks to oil, Texas did not need to reform its pathetic school system to produce world-class professionals and thinkers. Texan Christianity remained in a fundamentalist rut. Oil also permitted the rich families of Texas to import technicians, scientists and intellectuals for Texan companies and Texan universities from other parts of the United States and the world. In this way, it is reminiscent of the manner in which Arab monarchies afraid of educating their subjects bring in foreign experts. (Of course, the Saudis also segregate these interlopers by invitation in separate compounds.) The gusher elite Members of Texas' old cotton-farming and cattle-ranching elite allying themselves sometimes with wealthy immigrants like George Bush, Sr. grew easily into an oil- patch elite. The strategy was always the same. First, buy land. Then, use market power to try to rig the prices of the commodities on top of it or the minerals underneath it. Until it was replaced by OPEC, it was the Texas Railroad Commission that rigged the world price for oil from the 1920s until the 1970s. A few years back, the wealthy Hunt brothers of Fort Worth actually tried to corner the global silver market. Jim Bowie must have congratulated Coronado in Hell. A different breed A minority of Texan leaders mostly from poor or middle-class backgrounds have shared a different vision. It is a vision of a high-tech, multi-racial Texas based on brainpower and meritocracy and not on resource extraction and inherited wealth. These visionary modernizers including Lyndon Johnson, Ross Perot and former National Security Agency director Bobby Ray Inman have sought to replace Saudi-style commodity capitalism with Japanese-style state capitalism. The logic that they have employed has been similar to that of modernizers in many newly- industrializing countries. In such backward rural societies, the government must lead the way in technological modernization. Thanks to Lyndon Johnson's influence in the U.S. Congress in the 1930s and 1940s, the federal government built the industrial infrastructure of Texas around hydroelectric power. It was a bold move that helped to turn poor farmers into a suburban middle class. A military solution In the 1980s and 1990s, Mr. Perot campaigned for higher educational standards in Texas, as Mr. Inman and others
[CTRL] W Drama Pt2
-Caveat Lector- >From The Globalist }}}>Begin This story was printed from The Globalist, located at http://www.TheGlobalist.com. Of Texas, Cowboys and Militant Zionists URL: http://www.theglobalist.com/nor/richter/2002/04-07-02.shtml Copyright (c) 2002 by TransAtlantic Futures, Inc. What are illuminating parallels between the intellectual and religious genesis of Texas and Israel? The fierce religiosity of Anglo-Celtic Texans (see Part 1), like so much else, can be traced back to Ulster and Scotland via Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia. The 18th century Scots who moved to the American colonies from Northern Ireland combined frontier brutality with simple and fervent Calvinism. Much as the Protestant Dutch Afrikaaners of South Africa did, these Protestant Scots-Irish Southerners compared themselves to the ancient Hebrews. Different verses So, of course, did black Americans who chose to dwell on the exodus of the Hebrews from slavery in Egypt. The Southerners who populated Texas much preferred other portions of "the Bobble." These were the verses about the conquest of the Promised Land and the annihilation of the Canaanites. For all their nominal Christianity, white Protestant Southerners have never been comfortable with a meek and mild Jesus. The deity who turned himself over for execution without a fight, counseled his followers to turn the other cheek when struck and commanded forgiveness of one's enemies has never been popular in Texas and other parts south. Deep down, most Southern men prefer Hebrew tribal generals such as Moses, Joshua, Gideon and David. Their idea of religion is kicking Canaanite butt at God's command. A lack of recognition Ironically, some of those U.S. fundamentalists appear not to realize that the Old Testament heroes whom they admire on the one hand and the modern Jewish liberals in Hollywood whom their preachers teach them to despise on the other belong to the same ethnic group. For example, many illustrated bibles in the United States depict the ancient Hebrews as well as Jesus with blue eyes and Northern European features. A friend of mine had an acquaintance who applied for an apartment in Dallas. When he told the landlady that he was from Israel, she replied in relief, "Oh, good. I thought you might be a Jew." It is with good reason then that Southern religion in the United States has been called "Old Testament Protestantism." Amazingly, Southern Protestant morality resembles that of Orthodox Jews or traditional Muslims. It emphasizes strict religious obedience. Indeed, some of the laws governing morals in Texas and other Southern states are near-literal transcriptions from the Book of Leviticus. Even today, Protestant preachers mobilize their flocks to prevent the repeal of archaic sodomy laws. They fear that cities such as Dallas and Houston will be punished like Sodom and Gomorrah. A sterile morality In addition to its legalism, this Old Testament Protestant morality is also communal. Its single, seamless moral code is enforced by the community, employers, schools, the state and until a few decades ago by the lynch mob. Among clannish, tight- knit, old- fashioned Anglo-Celtic Southern Protestants, as among Orthodox Jews, there is little toleration for deviance from tribal norm. The result has been intellectual and cultural sterility and the persistence of pre- modern superstition. When I was growing up in Austin, a liberal university town, fundamentalists a few hundred miles away in Waco regularly burned "satanic" books and records. In the 1980s, when I worked at the state capital, Brother Lester Roloff a sort of Protestant mullah put a curse on the Texas legislature. An acquaintance of mine who studied paleontology at Harvard was asked by a rural Texan neighbor, "Are they teaching you about that Karl Darwin?" Mixed messages That's right "Karl Darwin" the bearded foreign theorist of both socialism and evolution. Was it any surprise when George W. Bush, during the 2000 presidential campaign, announced that Jesus was his favorite philosopher and that the jury is still out on the theory of evolution? One more surprise: The gun-toting, Bible-thumping Anglo-Celtic Texan in conquered Mexican and Indian territories with his admiration for the Hebrew patriarchs and professed devotion to the Ten Commandments is remarkably similar to the gun-toting, Torah-thumping Israeli settler in the conquered Arab territories. "Sabra" rattling The "sabra" ideal of a certain strain of Zionism macho and militaristic is a cousin of the Southern/Western "redneck" or "cowboy," right down to the contempt for the disposable "Canaanites." And that is precisely why the Sharon edition of present-day Israel and Texas before the civil rights revolution have so much in common. In my view, both combine populism within the majority ethnic nation with the cruel subordination of ethnic minorities. A generation ago, T.R. Fehrenbach, the g
[CTRL] W Drama Pt 1
-Caveat Lector- >From The Globalist }}}>Begin This story was printed from The Globalist, located at http://www.TheGlobalist.com. World History and the Texan Mind of George W. Bush: A Drama in Three Parts URL: http://www.theglobalist.com/nor/richter/2002/04-06-02.shtml Copyright (c) 2002 by TransAtlantic Futures, Inc. How does the "Lone Star" mentality threaten U.S. military and diplomatic leadership in the world? In retrospect, George W. Bush's Middle East policy appears to have been based on two goals supported by the President if not by every member of his administration. The first goal was informal U.S. control of Middle Eastern oil supplies. This goal was to be realized by means of alliance with friendly Arab tyrannies (Saudi Arabia and a post-Saddam dictatorship in Iraq). Giving the Israelis free reign The second goal was to give Israel's right wing a free hand in carrying out their long- cherished dream of crushing the PLO, reoccupying the territories and if they thought they could get away with it ethnically cleansing all Arabs from the former Palestine Mandate. What makes Mr. Bush's pursuit of these twin goals so perplexing is that they pair what used to be considered big opposites. After all, pro-Israel Americans often have been at odds with Americans in the oil industry which counts emirs as its friends and business partners. Weirdly enough, though, Texans like George W. Bush can be Zionists, and Arabists, at the very same time. That is because the traditional culture of Texas combines the religious ethics of the Old Testament with the economics of Arab oil sheikhs. Don't mess with Texas I know something about the subject. I am a fifth-generation Texan, whose earliest Texan ancestor came to the state in General Custer's Federal army in 1876. I went to work in the Texas state legislature at the age of nineteen. I received the key to the city of Fort Worth, for my contributions to Texan literature. I am even a distant nephew of the actor Larry Hagman TV's "J.R. Ewing." And, last, but not least, I own a modest ranch in Texas not far from George W. Bush's considerably larger ranch. Thus, I can claim some authority in explaining what appears to the rest of the world to be an insane strategy a bilateral Israeli- American alliance lording it over the oil fields of the Middle East and Central Asia. Back to the Bible This is, in fact, the archetypal daydream of an Old Testament Protestant Texas oil man such as George W. Bush. Although Mr. Bush's forebears are from the Northeastern United States, the landscape which has shaped him is that of Texas. It's a culture that combines a violent Scots-Irish strain of Old Testament religiosity and a pre-industrial economy that strongly favors the commodity-driven capitalism of cotton and oil over high-tech manufacturing and scientific R&D. This unique synthesis has long held back social and economic progress in Texas. And now, as the inspiration for the Bush Administration's disastrous Middle Eastern policy, this traditional Lone Star mentality threatens to undermine U.S. military and diplomatic leadership in the world. Texas as the Anglo-Celtic frontier George W. Bush was born in New Haven, Connecticut. But he was raised in Texas and he is a genuine cultural Texan. Mainstream Texan culture has important Latino influences, but it has been shaped chiefly by the culture of the American South and a particular one at that. To see all the influences that have shaped the 43rd U.S. President, one has to delve back into religion and history. Texas is the culture of the Scots-Irish "rednecks" or "hillbillies" of the Highland South and not that of the more aristocratic culture of the coastal Southern "Bourbon" elite. Think hoedowns, not debutante balls. The tribes of Texas By the time they reached Texas, the Anglo-Celtic ancestors of today's white Texans had been conquered and expropriated other cultures and nations for centuries. Originally, they were Protestant Scots whom the English planted in Ulster (on land taken from the native Catholic Irish). In the 18th century, these same Scots-Irish then crossed the sea to the Ozarks and Appalachians. In the 19th century, they supported the ethnic cleansing of the Cherokees and other Indian nations. (Though, to be fair, a few noble exceptions such as Sam Houston and Davy Crockett who both defended the Indians did exist.) Since that time, altogether five major "tribes" have lived in Texas namely these Anglo- Celtic Southerners, Tejanos (Mexican-Texans), Germans, blacks and Native Americans. To make a long story short, one can summarize the history of Texas from 1836 until the 1960s in one sentence: The biggest tribe, the Anglo-Celtic Southerners, expropriated the Tejanos, deported the Indians, crushed the Germans and exploited the blacks. Wars civil and uncivil Only 15 years later, the state's Southern majority led Texas out of the Union and into the Confederacy at
Re: [CTRL] Boys will be boys
-Caveat Lector- > FYI > > From > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/correspondent/newsid_204 > 3000/2043794.stm > > }}}>Begin > Friday, 14 June, 2002, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK > Boys will be boys > > It has become a tragic inevitability that whenever international peacekeepers are > sent to bring law and order to a war torn country, a vast and exploitative sex > industry, allegedly follows close behind. > > Correspondent looks at Bosnia and Kosovo where girls as young as 15 have been > duped into working in brothels and forced to have sex with UN personnel. We find > that the boys will be boys culture prevails and that international soldiers and >police > officers at the highest level are turning a blind eye. It is a shameful and >disturbing > tale. Sue Lloyd-Roberts reports. > > Correspondent website, > Exclusive interviews: > > Bosnian police officer denounces corruption UN recommendation: Practice safe > sex > > Sold into sex slavery > > Like thousands of young women in the impoverished countries of the Eastern bloc > Monica, a 19-year-old Romanian, leapt at the chance when her boyfriend said he > had arranged a job as a waitress for her in Italy. > > The Vila Bar - a place of both hope and disgust > She would work for a > year and put the money towards their wedding. She was taken to the Vila Bar in > Bosnia. > > Monica was led upstairs to a bedroom where Elena, another Romanian girl, > explained the routine. > > Her shift lasted from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. during which she would have to dance and > service up to eight clients a night. > > Monica reacted with disgust and outrage at the betrayal. > > Her boyfriend had sold her for 3000 Deutsch Marks, around £1000. > > She asked about the clients. Elena said: "There are many foreigners, soldiers and > policemen". Monica saw a glimmer of hope. > > A graduate of the Bucharest Language Institute, she spoke French and English. > > She would simply tell one of the foreigners that there had been a mistake and ask > for help. > > The men know they are running a risk > "Most of them were > Americans and German", Monica said. "Of course, I appealed to them for help, the > soldiers and the policemen. But all of them said that they shouldn't be there and > they would get into trouble if they helped." > > Monica tells how in the end she befriended a local taxi driver who agreed to drive > her to the border in return, of course, for sex. > > International peacekeeping customers > > In her testimony to the police, Monica identified four officers from the >International > Police Task Force (IPTF) and four Nato soldiers among her customers. > > There are hundreds of premises selling sex in Bosnia, employing on average ten > girls each. > > If Monica's foreign clientele of eight is an average for the region, a lot of > "peacekeepers" must be using such services. > > Monk: "These are embarrassing and damaging matters" > Richard Monk, is a > respected British policeman and former Deputy Commissioner of the Devon and > Cornwall Police. He was head of the IPTF in Bosnia for two years from 1998. > > He says "I knew of one case where a 14 year old girl was actually living with an > international police officer. I had to set up an internal affairs branch to manage > investigations against my own police officers. There was nothing more > embarrassing and damaging to the work that we were trying to do." > > The Head of U.N. Mission in Sarajevo, Jacques Paul Klein, says the situation is now > under control. > > He says: "We have a zero tolerance policy here. Any officer, anywhere using the > service of a prostitute, will be fired immediately and sent home." > > How many has he sent home for sexual misconduct since he arrived in 1999? He is > not sure. He thinks about fifteen. > > Unacceptable behaviour > > Is it simply a case of "boys will be boys" and is it hopeless to expect thousands of > men posted away from home not to take advantage of the perks on offer? > > Poverty leads to desperate measures on the streets > Richard Monk has no > sympathy, "I cannot see how you can possibly go into a country representing an > international organisation like the United Nations or Nato and behave in this way." > > Monk suggests that all international police officers and soldiers should be told >that it > is "totally unacceptable for you to consort with all prostitutes, as you may not know > the difference between prostitutes and trafficked girls. So, quite simply, this is an > offence and you will be court- martialled if you're caught." > > But while those in charge debate about what should be done, there may be > thousands of young women, like Monica, still being held as sex slaves in Bosnia. > End<{{{ > > ~~~ > > Forwarded as information only; no automatic endorsement > + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > > In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material > is distributed without charge or profit to those who have > expressed
[CTRL] Boys will be boys
-Caveat Lector- From http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/audiovideo/programmes/correspondent/newsid_204 3000/2043794.stm }}}>Begin Friday, 14 June, 2002, 17:39 GMT 18:39 UK Boys will be boys It has become a tragic inevitability that whenever international peacekeepers are sent to bring law and order to a war torn country, a vast and exploitative sex industry, allegedly follows close behind. Correspondent looks at Bosnia and Kosovo where girls as young as 15 have been duped into working in brothels and forced to have sex with UN personnel. We find that the boys will be boys culture prevails and that international soldiers and police officers at the highest level are turning a blind eye. It is a shameful and disturbing tale. Sue Lloyd-Roberts reports. Correspondent website, Exclusive interviews: Bosnian police officer denounces corruption UN recommendation: Practice safe sex Sold into sex slavery Like thousands of young women in the impoverished countries of the Eastern bloc Monica, a 19-year-old Romanian, leapt at the chance when her boyfriend said he had arranged a job as a waitress for her in Italy. The Vila Bar - a place of both hope and disgust She would work for a year and put the money towards their wedding. She was taken to the Vila Bar in Bosnia. Monica was led upstairs to a bedroom where Elena, another Romanian girl, explained the routine. Her shift lasted from 7 p.m. to 7 a.m. during which she would have to dance and service up to eight clients a night. Monica reacted with disgust and outrage at the betrayal. Her boyfriend had sold her for 3000 Deutsch Marks, around £1000. She asked about the clients. Elena said: "There are many foreigners, soldiers and policemen". Monica saw a glimmer of hope. A graduate of the Bucharest Language Institute, she spoke French and English. She would simply tell one of the foreigners that there had been a mistake and ask for help. The men know they are running a risk "Most of them were Americans and German", Monica said. "Of course, I appealed to them for help, the soldiers and the policemen. But all of them said that they shouldn't be there and they would get into trouble if they helped." Monica tells how in the end she befriended a local taxi driver who agreed to drive her to the border in return, of course, for sex. International peacekeeping customers In her testimony to the police, Monica identified four officers from the International Police Task Force (IPTF) and four Nato soldiers among her customers. There are hundreds of premises selling sex in Bosnia, employing on average ten girls each. If Monica's foreign clientele of eight is an average for the region, a lot of "peacekeepers" must be using such services. Monk: "These are embarrassing and damaging matters" Richard Monk, is a respected British policeman and former Deputy Commissioner of the Devon and Cornwall Police. He was head of the IPTF in Bosnia for two years from 1998. He says "I knew of one case where a 14 year old girl was actually living with an international police officer. I had to set up an internal affairs branch to manage investigations against my own police officers. There was nothing more embarrassing and damaging to the work that we were trying to do." The Head of U.N. Mission in Sarajevo, Jacques Paul Klein, says the situation is now under control. He says: "We have a zero tolerance policy here. Any officer, anywhere using the service of a prostitute, will be fired immediately and sent home." How many has he sent home for sexual misconduct since he arrived in 1999? He is not sure. He thinks about fifteen. Unacceptable behaviour Is it simply a case of "boys will be boys" and is it hopeless to expect thousands of men posted away from home not to take advantage of the perks on offer? Poverty leads to desperate measures on the streets Richard Monk has no sympathy, "I cannot see how you can possibly go into a country representing an international organisation like the United Nations or Nato and behave in this way." Monk suggests that all international police officers and soldiers should be told that it is "totally unacceptable for you to consort with all prostitutes, as you may not know the difference between prostitutes and trafficked girls. So, quite simply, this is an offence and you will be court- martialled if you're caught." But while those in charge debate about what should be done, there may be thousands of young women, like Monica, still being held as sex slaves in Bosnia. End<{{{ ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no automatic endorsement + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Do not believe in anything simply becaus
[CTRL] (Fwd) LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers
-Caveat Lector- --- Forwarded message follows --- Date sent: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:26:07 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:LP RELEASE: Southwest Airlines and "jumbo" flyers From: Libertarian Party Announcements <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: June 21, 2002 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Congress shouldn't throw its weight around in case of "jumbo flyers," Libertarians say WASHINGTON, DC -- The American Obesity Association should drop its complaint against a Southwest Airlines policy of charging overweight passengers for an extra seat, Libertarians say, because it flies in the face of common sense. "This threatened lawsuit is so ridiculous that, frankly, we're having a little trouble getting our arms around it," said Steve Dasbach, Libertarian Party executive director. "Why shouldn't a business be able to charge customers more money if they use more of a particular product?" Southwest Airlines came under fire for its policy of charging "jumbo" flyers for two seats on Wednesday when the American Obesity Association said it may file a lawsuit - or even ask Congress to outlaw the two- ticket policy. The airline says it has stepped-up enforcement of its 20-year-old policy in response to complaints that obese passengers who wedge themselves into one seat were making things "uncomfortable" for other flyers. The rationale used to challenge Southwest's policy? It's not their fault they're overweight. Miriam Berg, president of the Council on Size & Weight Discrimination, said, "If a person takes up more than one seat, that's not the problem of the person, that's the problem of the seat." "Instead of acknowledging the reality that overweight people consume more space, these customers are trying to force a business to give them something for free," Dasbach said. "The good news is that two similar lawsuits against Southwest Airlines - one in 1990 and one in 2000 - were decided in the company's favor. The bad news is that if Congress decides to 'weigh in,' anything can happen. "For example, the Americans with Disabilities Act defines obesity as a disability in some cases, but so far the law hasn't been used to force airlines to give up an extra seat. However, disability lawyers, inspired by the Southwest Airlines controversy, are already pushing Congress to reverse that." But if Congress can prohibit airlines from charging overweight people for two seats, Libertarians ask, what's next? * Should restaurants be forced to fork over "super-sized" portions of food to overweight people, at no extra charge? * Should bars be prohibited from charging customers for a second, third, or fourth drink if they claim "it's not their fault" that they can't stop drinking? * Should a men's clothing store be compelled to charge 7-foot-1-inch basketball star Shaquille O'Neal the same price for a suit as an average man? * Should it be illegal for a home-builder to charge large families more money because they need a bigger house? "Common sense dictates that companies can't have a one-size-fits-all pricing policy," Dasbach said. "But when has common sense ever stopped Big Government from throwing its weight around?" -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBPRNs/9CSe1KnQG7RAQHu4QQAmYS0xMg9S+Pddk7P4mSUVx1boX uwKrFI GHK/k1nyA5j6wMuIimw/h4966nwUFZV15mkGKTlhmUyx8oVjnTvdgkeWa0uDsAB O mMr1b0Ual4SAQIPmutcb/vD4D37/wfpVW7CJ3gOuAX2X3QtD7kaaB7sPMr+Nm72 T Eq2pMhRHPgs= =hbrJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- - The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 -- - For subscription changes, please use the WWW form at: http://www.lp.org/action/email.html --- End of forwarded message ---From }}}>Begin End<{{{ ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no automatic endorsement + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is sp
[CTRL] sleep room, US war crimes, 9/11, CIA/drugs
-Caveat Lector- this may be very heavy for survivors The Sleep Room's Missing Memories by Ray Conlogue Quebec Arts Correspondent, Montreal "A new CBC [Canadian Broadcasting Corporation] miniseries tells how mental patients in Montreal were once subjected to CIA-sponsored brainwashing. It's a story worth telling, but some fear that making it into a TV drama may simplify the complex issues behind this shameful bit of Canadian historyrecalls a series of barbaric experiments conducted on mental patients over a nine-year period beginning in 1955. Although these began as a well-meaning if desperate attempt to cure schizophrenia, the "psychic driving" technique invented by psychiatrist Ewen Cameron took on a science-fiction quality when it was revealed in 1977 that the Central Intelligence Agency had helped finance the work. The CIA thought it had potential as a brainwashing technique to be used on "enemies" of the United States during the Cold Wara human catastrophe that stripped more than 300 people of their identitiesshe sued Ottawa instead, and forced the government to pay $100,000 to each surviving Allan patient." http://serendipity.magnet.ch/cia/slprm.html http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0%2C3604%2C737060%2C00.html We won't deny our consciences - Prominent Americans have issued this statement on the war on terror Friday June 14, 2002 The Guardian Let it not be said that people in the United States did nothing when their government declared a war without limit and instituted stark new measures of repression. The signers of this statement call on the people of the US to resist the policies and overall political direction that have emerged since September 11, 2001, and which pose grave dangers to the people of the world. We believe that peoples and nations have the right to determine their own destiny, free from military coercion by great powers. We believe that all persons detained or prosecuted by the US government should have the same rights of due process. We believe that questioning, criticism, and dissent must be valued and protected. We understand that such rights and values are always contested and must be fought for. We believe that people of conscience must take responsibility for what their own governments do - we must first of all oppose the injustice that is done in our own name. Thus we call on all Americans to resist the war and repression that has been loosed on the world by the Bush administration. It is unjust, immoral, and illegitimate. We choose to make common cause with the people of the world http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1023894901416B265 Documentary of US 'war crimes' shocks Europe June 12 2002 by Clive Freeman "Berlin - American soldiers have been involved in the torture and murder of captured Taliban prisoners, and may have aided in the "disappearance" of up to 3 000 men in the region of Mazar-i-Sharif, according to Jamie Doran, an Irish documentary film-maker." >From Lynne Moss-Sharmann NSA INTERCEPTED 9/11 MESSAGES ON 9/09 - NOT TRANSLATED TIL 9/12 June 19, 2002 U.S. Intelligence Intercepted Messages Day Before Sept. 11 By REUTERS 1. WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence intercepted two messages the day before the Sept. 11 attacks that indicated an event was planned the following day, but the communications were not translated until Sept. 12, government sources said Wednesday. The sources said the National Security Agency, which eavesdrops on communications worldwide, intercepted the messages saying, "tomorrow is zero day" and "the match begins tomorrow." The sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the agency did not translate the messages until Sept. 12 -- the day after hijacked airliners smashed into New York's World Trade Center and the Pentagon killing about 3,000 people in a plot believed hatched by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network. The intercepted messages gave no details of the time, location or nature of the event that was to take place and it was not clear what language the communications were in. The NSA handles a huge volume of intercepted communications traffic from around the world in many different languages. One U.S. intelligence source said no action could have been taken on the basis of such vague messages. "Sometimes we get the ambient noise and background chatter. You don't know who is talking," the source said. "Is there actionable intelligence in this? Absolutely not. This is not a smoking gun." U.S. intelligence agencies, including the FBI and the CIA, have been strongly criticized by Congress and the media for failing to pick up on a number of warning signs before the attacks. http://serendipity.magnet.ch/cia.html The CIA - America's Premier International Terrorist Organization "ClA-supported Mujahedeen rebels [now, 2001, part of the "Northern Alliance" fighting the Taleban] engaged heavily in drug trafficking while fighting against the Soviet-supported government and its plans to reform
[CTRL] All Along the Watchtower - 9/11 Class Action Lawsuit Mames Bush & Co
-Caveat Lector- http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower.htm All Along the Watchtower By William Rivers Pitt t r u t h o u t | Opinion Thursday, 20 June, 2002 Stanley Hilton, a San Francisco attorney and former aide to Senator Bob Dole, filed a $7 billion lawsuit in U.S. District Court on June 3rd. The class-action suit names ten defendants, among whom are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and Norman Mineta. Hilton's suit charges Bush and his administration with allowing the September 11th attacks to take place so as to reap political benefits from the catastrophe. Hilton alleges that Osama bin Laden is being used as a scapegoat by an administration that ignored pressing warnings of the attack and refused to round up suspected terrorists beforehand. Hilton alleges the ultimate motivation behind these acts was achieved when the Taliban were replaced by American military forces with a regime friendly to America and its oil interests in the region. Hilton's plaintiffs in this case are the families of 14 victims of 9/11, numbering 400 people nationwide. These are the same families that rallied in Washington recently to advocate for an independent investigation into the attacks. The current 9/11 hearings are being conducted by Congress behind closed doors, a situation these families find unacceptable. Mr. Hilton, by filing his lawsuit, has joined the ranks of an ever-increasing body of Americans who subscribe to what they call the LIHOP Theory. LIHOP stands for Let It Happen On Purpose. The LIHOP Theory puts forward the accusation that Bush and his people allowed the September 11th attacks to take place, despite the fact that they had been repeatedly warned of an impending strike. The LIHOP Theory is straightforward: In the months before 9/11, American intelligence agencies received ominous warnings from the intelligence services of nations like Israel, Russia, Egypt and Germany. These warnings were pointed - an attack involving hijacked aircraft and prominent American landmarks was imminent, our security forces were told. Bush himself was briefed of these warnings weeks before they happened. Instead of responding vigorously to these warnings, the Bush administration and its security apparatus did nothing. LIHOP is, of course, the purest breed of conspiracy theory, involving high-ranking members of government from both parties, as well as the CIA, FBI and NSA. Like all good conspiracy theories, LIHOP is surrounded by disturbing facts and bits of evidence that are difficult to ignore. The warnings from all those foreign intelligence services, after all, are quite real. Egypt, Germany, Russia and the Israelis were vociferous in their concerns. The German intelligence service BND told US and Israeli intelligence that Middle East terrorists were "planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack important symbols of American and Israeli culture." The BND's information came through Echelon, the American-controlled network of 120 satellites that monitors all worldwide electronic communications. Egypt voiced similar warnings that same month regarding aircraft attacks. Delivered just before the G-8 summit in Genoa, Egypt's alert carried such weight that anti-aircraft batteries were placed around Columbus Airport in Italy. The Russians warned the US that same summer of 25 pilots who had been trained for suicide missions, and Putin himself delivered the warning "in the strongest possible terms" to the US government. The Israeli intelligence service Mossad delivered a warning to both the FBI and the CIA detailing "a major assault on the United States" against "a large-scale target" that was "very vulnerable." The Washington Post has reported that the NSA intercepted two messages on September 10, 2001, warning that something was going to happen the next day. "Tomorrow is zero hour," was one of the messages. The NSA's charter is to intercept, translate and pass on to FBI and CIA operatives important electronic signals from all across the globe. The Echelon satellite network which provided the German BND with their 9/11 information last June is part of that system. According to the NSA, the September 10th data was not translated until September 12th, but it stands to reason that they were privy to the same electronic data the other foreign services were using as the basis for their warnings. One US intelligence source claims the data provided "no actionable intelligence," a fair claim given the vagueness of the messages and the volume of material NSA must deal with. Yet in combination with the strident foreign intelligence warnings, the words intercepted by our large electronic ears on September 10th add to the growing questions. Then, there are the threads. A FEMA official told Dan Rather that the disaster agency had been at the World Trade Center on September 10th. Why? Governor Jeb Bush of Florida signed executive order #01-261 on September 7th, pu
[CTRL] Fwd: [GATA] Gold believers wage war against the dollar
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- By Thom Calandra, Editor CBS.MarketWatch.com Friday, June 21, 2002 Give the gold bugs credit: They know a theme when they see one. Gold's believers, some of them held in high regard in financial circles, this week are waging all-out war against the dollar, which they sense is close to a decline of epic proportions. RBC Global Investment Management Inc., a division of Royal Bank of Canada, said in a research report, "The U.S. dollar has been levitating for a long time, but the underlying fundamentals continue to erode. The U.S. current-account deficit exceeds $400 billion annually, and the continuation of this chronic deficit has turned the U.S. into the world's largest debtor as most of these deficits are being recycled into U.S. debt instruments. Gold is already in a bull market in U.S. dollars, and an established bull market in every other currency. If the reserve currency, the U.S. dollar, falters, gold could well be launched on the upside as people recognize its status as the only true currency." Others are seizing on news of a record high U.S. trade gap and a decline in overseas buying of American securities as powerful ammunition for this year's gold rally. The euro is at a two-year high vs. the dollar, fetching more than 96 cents and up 10 percent so far this year. Gold's price is up 19 percent since Jan. 2. "Borrowing U.S. dollars and investing in foreign assets must be the next big play. Some of them will even figure that the big winner in this whole situation will be gold, as it is the ultimate money, the final store of value," observes Alf Field at 321gold.com, one of many pro-bullion news services promoting the current gold rally. "Most other currencies are suspect because they are all worthless paper." Barry Cooper, a gold equities analyst at CIBC World Markets in Toronto, says each 1 percent move higher for the euro against the dollar will translate into a 1 percent gain for gold. If the euro reaches $1, then gold, reflecting a worldwide retreat from American assets, will move to $345 an ounce, Cooper says. That will lead to a 25 percent gain in the prices of gold mining stocks, the strongest gainers in the U.S., Canadian, Australian, and South African stock market this year. The fix is in The folks at Gold Anti-Trust Action Committee Inc. say investment banks are starting to understand the panel's sole complaint: that central banks have employed a strong dollar and rigged gold sales to depress the price of bullion -- all in an effort to moderate inflation and keep worldwide fiscal turmoil at bay. "The establishment in the gold world is coming around to our central premise: that central banks and particularly the U.S. Treasury Department have been colluding surreptitiously and desperately to suppress the gold price and manipulate the gold market," Chris Powell, secretary/treasurer of GATA, told his members. Also taking it on the chin is the U.S. stock market, seen as past its prime and the subject of scorn from once-adoring overseas investors. Overseas investors rang up a mere net $17.6 billion of U.S. stock-market purchases in the first quarter vs. $41.7 billion in first-quarter 2001. William Rees-Mogg, editor of the forthcoming book "The Case for Gold," recently wrote in The Times of London, "The price rise in gold is telling us the truth, not about gold, but about the U.S. dollar. The U.S. external deficit has to be reduced. That means the dollar has to fall further. There is no early prospect of a return to confidence in the U.S. stock market. There is no point in the U.S. raising interest rates, which would weaken the U.S. economy and only postpone the necessary realignment of d
[CTRL] SkeptiNews: Closest Shave In Years
-Caveat Lector- SkeptiNews - - - - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question # Fringes of: Science, Faith, Paranormal, Conspiracy, Sex, Dope, Art, etc. # Confused? See the disclaimers & excuses at http://skeptilog.pitas.com/ # No planetoids were obliterated during the production of this bulletin. _ _ _ _ _ @ VATICAN FOLLIES: http://cagle.slate.msn.com/news/Cardinal-Law/main.asp _ _ _ _ _ * EARTH - CLOSEST SHAVE IN YEARS. A football-pitch-sized asteroid capable of razing a major city came within a whisker of hitting Earth on June 14, but was only spotted three days later, scientists said Thursday. We are doomed. http://www.spacedaily.com/news/020620121339.dc05vk7l.html * To Serve Man: Aliens and the New World Order (yum yum!) http://4truthseekers.com/treeoflife/articles/toserveman.htm * In the News: Argentina sends 'X-files' team to probe animal deaths: http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,1242109a12,FF.html After the aliens squish us with rocks, will we be a juicy tasty pudding?? * CHINA SCIENTISTS TO PROBE 'ET' LAUNCH TOWER.A team of Chinese scientists is to head out to the far west of the country to investigate a mystery pyramid that local legend says is a launch tower left by space aliens. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?u=/nm/20020619/sc_nm/china_aliens_dc_1 _ _ _ _ _ * Can People Send Signals After They Die? Doc Sez Science Has the Answer: http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/DailyNews/afterlife020618.html * Did Carlos Castaneda hallucinate that stuff in the Don Juan books or make it up? http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020621.html * EVIDENCE FOR CREATION BY OUTSIDE INTERVENTION. Darwinists, Creationists and Intelligent Design proponents are unable to explain anomalies in the emergence of domesticated plants, animals and humans. So obviously the Reptilioids brewed us up. http://www.nexusmagazine.com/ETcreation.html Have you hallucinated any divine truths lately? Are they like wet dreams?? * Southern Baptists proclaim themselves the moral leaders of the world: http://www.trnonline.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=FAITH-FAITH-06-19-02&cat=LR * India Villagers Marry Off 2 Donkeys To Appease Rain God, End Drought: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16225-2002Jun20.html _ _ _ _ _ * FBI uncovers massive US paramilitary group - greatest threat to national security: http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/2002/06/17/fbi-uncovers.html * FBI Braces for 4th of July Terror Attacks! Coming by land, sea or air? http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/la-42989jun19.story * A couple weeks before 9/11, you may have seen this job posting in the paper: "ENEMY WANTED. Serious enemy needed to justify Pentagon budget increase. Defense contractors desperate. Interested enemies send letter and video (threatening okay) to Enemy Search Committee, C/O Ben Cohen, Burlington VT 05401." http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=13395 Do threats make you feel unified? Which whom/what? How's yer stress level? * Terrorism has nothing to do with poverty or the lack of education. Its the actual content of the education of terrorists that matters: http://www.thenewrepublic.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20020624&s=krueger062402 * TWO YEARS TO SAVE THE WORLD. Let's get rich, and fix global warming too! Plot thickens: http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns2394 _ _ _ _ _ "If it weren't for the knee-high sewage lapping at his dress pants and the confused terrorist spraying automatic gunfire over his head between loud, emotional outbursts in a language that sounded like someone choking on gravel, Johnson could see little reason to change his mind about the wisdom of registering at a two-star hotel." -- Bob Wakulich (Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest entry) # Rev. R.Carter, ULC * http://www.sonic.net/~ric * FAX: 561-423-6102 # These bulletins are now posted online: http://skeptinews.pitas.com # To get this in realtime, subscribe: http://sonic.net/~ric/vsub.htm http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl ===
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] OMG! - Gov. now saying that Islamic fundamentalists behind OKC
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- http://www.msnbc.com/news/769827.asp?0si=- WASHINGTON, June 20 Just weeks before Timothy McVeigh bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, U.S. intelligence and law enforcement received several warnings that Islamic terrorists were seeking to strike on American soil and that a likely target was government buildings, documents show. Gannon said the 1995 warnings were plentiful enough that he initially assumed Islamic extremists had struck when the bomb exploded in Oklahoma City. Law enforcement too issued initial bulletins looking for Arab suspects and borrowed Arabic translators from the military. When I first heard about the Oklahoma bombing, the first reaction I had was I wonder if this were a foreign group that had done this or the Islamic extremists that had come up on our screen, Gannon said. He said it was in 1998, after bin Laden issued a fatwa urging specific attacks on America and two U.S. embassies in Africa were bombed, that U.S. anti-terrorism efforts escalated markedly. If there was a watershed year, it was 1998. That significantly elevated our concern and resulted in a concerted effort, and a very strong program to go get Osama bin Laden, he said. The 1995 intelligence was specific enough that if that was today, youd have (Bush Homeland Security Director) Tom Ridge going out and saying we have this threat, said former Rep. Bill McCollum, R-Fla., who in 1995 was a member of the House Intelligence Committee. TERRORISM TASK FORCE McCollum formed a congressional task force in the late 1980s that began warning of the growing threat of terrorism, and which issued some of the 1995 alerts. For a good number of years, there was a failure to acknowledge the severity of the threat, he said. There really had been this disbelief or unwillingness to scare people. Former Clinton White House press secretary Joe Lockhart said protecting America against terrorists was a high priority during the 1990s. Threat information regularly came in and steps were taken to deal with it, he said. In general, the record is very clear that the Clinton administration increased counterterrorism funding and focus more than any other prior administration based on the emerging threats, Lockhart added. Some of the 1995 warnings were pointed. Iranian sources confirmed Tehrans desire and determination to strike inside the U.S. against objects symbolizing the American government in the near future, said a Feb. 27, 1995, terror warning by the House Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare. INCREASINGLY SPECIFIC WARNINGS The warnings became increasingly specific as to the possible location, type of attack and likely dates. These strikes are most likely to occur either in the immediate future or in the new Iranian year - starting 21 March 1995, the congressional task force predicted. U.S. intelligence monitored a series of meetings and conferences between senior officials of Iran, Syria, Hezbollah and other terror organizations in mid-February 1995 in which the subject of killing Americans on U.S. soil came up, officials said. During these conferences, known terrorists made specific mention of Congress and the White House as institutions that are great enemies of the Islamist movement, according to a congressional warning. This is a deviation from past discussions beyond referring to the U.S. as a single entity to pointing to specific branches of government as their true enemies, it added. Around the same time, the FBI received intelligence from the Philippines that two men
[CTRL] Fwd: [Expert Witness Radio] Monday, June 24
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Expert Witness Radio Shows: WBAI 99.5 FM - New York City Mondays, 5pm - 7pm Live on the Net http://expertwitnessradio.org Monday Hear Mike Levine interview 25 year veteran of the FBI Hugo Rodriguez, a practicing attorney and one of the world's top experts in Human Intelligence/Informant Handling. The Discussion will cover: 1. The truth, as real experts see it, about "Jose the Terrorist" the FBI's alleged "dirty bomber." - Or - If a Chicago, druggie, gangbanger and a California airhead can infiltrate Al Queda, why can't the CIA and/or FBI? 2. The truth about the alleged reorganizations of FBI and CIA to better combat terrorism or can any amount of reorganization, funding and new patriot laws help the "Bad News Bears" play defense (or any fence, for that matter) in the major leagues of world terrorism? And much, much more that you will never hear from the shill meisters of mainstream media. NOTE: To join this little war of truth, please visit our website and check out the two CDs every American should have: FIRST WARNING and FINAL WARNING... -- You have received this email message because your email address is subscribed to the Expert Witness Radio with Mike Levine mailing list. If you no longer wish to receive these messages simply send a blank message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the subject of UNSUBSCRIBE. You can hear Mike Levine Monday evenings at 5:00pm on WBAI (99.5 FM) in New York City and Wednesdays at 12:00am on KPFK 90.7 FM in Los Angeles & 98.7 FM in Santa Barbara. The shows are also Netcast worldwide from http://www.ExpertWitnessRadio.org. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
Re: [CTRL] The problem is with the people
-Caveat Lector- One down, one to go on 6/21/02 11:47 AM, Bill Howard at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > . Do they recognize > each other as legitimate statesmen, I doubt it. They would prefer the other > dead. -- -- -- -- -- - -- - -- -- - - - - -- --- -- - - - - -- - - - -- -- - -- - He who does not prefer exile to slavery is not free by any measure of freedom, truth and duty. Kahil Gibran, Spirits Rebellious NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] More interesting than Vreeland
-Caveat Lector- As, always, . . . Om K http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- This person is accused of making a bomb threat against the Whitehouse? This person claims to be in contact with the not-dead Timothy McVeigh, who has apparently taken refuge in South Africa. http://www.apfn.org/apfn/mcveigh_patsy.htm If this is a real Timothy McVeigh trying to speak out, this would make good reason to want to keep John Doe #2 iced away as a "dirty bomber." He ought to be able to answer some interesting question. Yet his continued existance is poo-pooed and debunked as fiercely as Vreeland's credibility is insisted upon. Execution Eye Witness http://www.apfn.org/movies/mcveigh-lives.WMV "coincidentally" this witness has connections to the soon-to-be-disappeared Chandra Levy. Brave HARTS wrote: > > The George Herald > > Tel: (044) 874 2424, > > Fax: (044) 874 1393, > > News Hotline: (083) 222 5971, > > Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Letter to the Editor, and Ms. Alida de Beer. > > RE: Article titled, 'Bomdreiger loop op dun ys' [Bomb threat (person) walking on >thin ice], published in the edition of Thursday, 20 June 2002, Page 2. > > [The article is in Afrikaans, the following is an English transcript.] > > > > Bomb threat (person) walking on thin ice, [George Herald, Thursday 20 June 2002] > > by Alida de Beer > > The female bomb threatener who caused the George Airport to be evacuated on Tuesday >afternoon for a bomb search by the police, is walking on thin ice. > > The police see her call (the bomb threat) in a very serious light and if she is >apprehended, she will be facing a long jail sentence. > > A woman who did not wish to identify herself first called the George Heralds office >in Ringweg, to say that a bomb would explode in the airport just after three pm. > > A few minutes later she called the Newsline, a cell phone number. > > The Herald immediately informed the police and the airport and the police were at >the airport within minutes where two flights were waiting to take off. > > The building was evacuated and the police searched the building, the two flights and >all the cars in the parking area. > > Within minutes, two police officers were at the offices of the George Herald to >interview the persons with whom the woman spoke. > > Ms. Jenny Becker, the airport manager stated that neither the passengers nor the >airport staffed panicked when they were asked to evacuate the building. > > "They were all wonderful. The evacuation and the police's search took approximately >two hours. The flights were delayed, but we did not want to take any chances. >Everyone's safety came first," said Ms. Becker. > > The telephone number, which registered on the George Herald's Newsline cellphone was >investigated. The call was made from a public telephone in York street. > > --- > > Your article fails to mention the following: > > 1. Possible 'motives' for WHY anyone, or a woman, might go to the extreme lengths of >making a bomb threat to the George Airport, THROUGH YOUR NEWSPAPER. > > 2. That the person making the bomb threat used the following words in relaying her >'bomb threat' to YOUR NEWSPAPER: "Hello, daar is a bomb in the George Lughawe. Dit >gaan op elf minute na drie af. Al Qanoon" ["Hello, there is a bomb in the George >Airport. It is going off at eleven minutes past three (GMT + 2 hrs). Al Qanoon"] [By >the way three pm is exactly NINE HOURS after NINE AM, which is the time when the >first World Trade Center attack occured. NINE HOURS PLUS 11 MINUTES = 911? What >number do you call in America to 'alert the police' to 'danger'? Is it 911?] > > 3. That the person making the bomb-threat made THREE calls, NOT TWO.
[CTRL] Fwd: [ctrl] Mind Control Pt 2
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Humanity VS The New World Order Mind Control and Ritual Child Abuse--The True Weapons of Mass Destruction by Peter Farley Part 2 The issue of why this kind of thing happens and why on such a widespread basis still remains. The more we uncover about the darkness that all these inter-twined, hydra-headed organizations are involved in, the more I believe we will see just how unbelieveably widespread this whole thing is --just like the Matrix itself. Perhaps Aldous Huxley once said it best, "It is perfectly possible for a man to be out of prison, and yet not free - to be under no physical constraint and yet to be a psychological captive, compelled to think, feel and act as the representatives of the national state, or of some private interest within the nation, wants him to think, feel and act. "The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective." Brave New World Revisited, Aldous Huxley, 1958 In one place in the movie The Matrix, it is explained that those trapped within the matrix itself will defend the matrix to any extreme, believing that it is the only reality. How much does all of this have to do with aliens, the government and the military, all the other aspects of the New World Order -- and all of which are only facets of the one grander plan? In an article entitled, New Evidence of Military Involvement In Abductions by Helmut Lammer Ph.D., Dr. Larner discusses what he calls `unintentional human/military contacts' (MILABs). MILABs have ''not only'' alien abduction experiences, he says, but they also report that they were kidnapped by a certain branch of human/military personnel, drugged, taken to hospital-like rooms and (under)ground military facilities where they saw men in white lab coats who examined, interrogated and sometimes even implanted them with military devices of some kind. Another article, The Battle For Your Mind - Mass Mind Control Techniques In America by Dick Sutphen, discusses the birth of conversion (Brainwashing in Christian Revivalism in 1735), and shows the extent to which we have all been brainwashed to some extent by a society meant to breed slaves, educate for slavery, and then keep the slaces happy or at least ignorant in their slavery. Its curent implications, however, begin with Nazi germany and the end of World War II as described in Frederick Forsythe's 1972 novel, The Odessa File (Viking Press, NY). "On the eastern front the German Army was bullied into battle against the Russians to take unbelievable casualties, not to produce victory but to produce a delay while the SS finished its escape plans. Behind the Army stood the SS, shooting and hanging some of the army men who took a step backwards after already taking more punsihment than military flesh and blood is ususally expected to stand. Thousands of officers and men of the Wehrmacht died in SS nooses in this way. "Just vefore the final collapse, delayed six months after the chiefs of the SS knew defeat was inevitable, the leaders of the SS disappeared. From one end of the country to the other they quit their posts, changed into civilian clothes, stuffed their beautifully (and officially) forged personal papers into their pockets, and vanished into the chaos that was Germany in May 1945. They l
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Peculiar and bushy experience
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dan Byrnes To: Linda Minor Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Peculiar and bushy experience Dear Linda, I'm somewhat revamping my searching style with Google forgenealogy queries, and today had quite an odd, surprising experience. I'venothing on C19th England bankers with a rare name, Tiarkes, so I looked forthem, and up came only about five sites from Google, two of which were nogood; but two of them were links to a forthcoming "unauthorised biography"of George Bush (Snr I think), and the reason this came up re Tiarkes is dueto some link in the blurb for this book, re some C19th link with USinterests and Schroeders, via England, Tiarkes evidently a connnection withSchroeders. So you and I could be looking afresh at Schroeders, who were aGerman bank, and it's unclear why they started up in England anyway, fromthe book on them I've read (briefly) in my local university library a fewyears ago.There might be more to your theory about European bankers influences playingthemselves out in US circumstances than we yet know or even guess? Whattricks me is that such European connections do not seem to have come through"British connectivity", or the necessarily English-speaking world; but onthe other hand, Robert Morris in time of the American Rev. had agents inHamburg and so on, Lord knows what that might have led to. Morris by about1792-1793 had the bright idea of selling the US debt of the day to someSwiss financiers, an idea which did not come off - as far as we know.Cheers, Dan. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Catherine
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Catherine is supposed to be driving to Point Arena today. (see schedule below) I don't know if she's still with Bernstein or with Gail Taylor. Her sister sent me her schedule. Chamba Lane http://www.kvmr.org/personalities/c_lane.html He's been broadcasting at KVMR since 1993 raising hackles and rousing the rabble to, "Follow the Constitution and take back our government!" SUNDAY, JUNE 23rd Drive to Nevada City; arrive by 4:30 Speech with Chamba Lane Ah, here it is-- http://www.kvmr.org/EventsSchedule.html KVMR & the Center for the Arts present Up Close & Personal WithCatherine Austin Fitts Sunday, June 23 at 6:30 PM at the Center for the Arts Catherine Austin Fitts On Sunday, June 23 at 6:30 p.m., KVMR in cooperation with the Northern California Center for the Arts, presents an evening guaranteed to be enlightening and thought-provoking, with Catherine Austin Fitts at the Center for the Arts, 314 West Main Street in Grass Valley. Catherine was Assistant Secretary of Housing under the first Bush administration, a Wall Street investment banker, and is currently president of Solari (solari.com), an organization seeking to foster positive social change by offering solutions for the restoration of our democratic republic. She has recently been featured on "Rabble Rousing" with Chamba Lane, Wednesdays at noon here on KVMR. The previous 3 programs have been recorded and archived here for your review. Catherine is a noted author and lecturer who learned first-hand that HUD is being run as a criminal enterprise. She explains in detail how your tax dollars are being stolen from agencies such as HUD and the Department of Defense, and laundered through corporate criminal enterprises such as Enron. She authored the illuminating article "Narco Dollars for Beginners", detailing how to follow the money trail, and highlighting the fact that American communities are more addicted to narco dollars than to any drug. Catherine holds an MBA in Finance from the Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania. For some background information, here's a link to an index of several articles written by Catherine Fitts. Even if you do not believe her allegations, you owe it to yourself to ask her the hard questions you have about what she presents. A $10 donation will be requested at the door to help defray Catherine and KVMR's expenses, but no one will be turned away for lack of funds. Doors will open at 6:00 PM. For more information, please call (530) 274-8384 + TUESDAY, JUNE 25th Filming with Guerilla Network News Contact: Stephen Marshall http://www.gnn.tv/ http://www.guerrillanews.com/corporate_crime/doc286.html "I will bet every last dollar I have that Enron was the largest laundromat of stolen and tax evading dollars in American history . . ." Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) and a past Managing Director of the Wall Street investment bank Dillon Read noted that Enron's trading patterns, internet money movements and [other activities] were consistent with a large-scale money laundering operation. She told FTW, "The fact that subpoenas were not issued months ago to obtain all Enron Online off shore and onshore digital and paper trading records and corresponding bank records defies logic, unless
[CTRL] Fwd: Fw: Mary Schiavo heads 9-11 lawsuit against American Airlines
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- Schiavo was one of the lawyers who spoke at the press conference sponsored by www.unansweredquestions.org. I listened to the audio at the website yesterday. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mary Schiavo heads 9-11 lawsuit against American Airlines Noticed on WhatReallyHappened.com --http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28012Flight 11 stewardess' kin to sue American AirlinesLawyers say family members 'no longer trust' carrier 'to tell truth'about Flight 11 hijackingsBy Paul Sperry - © 2002 WorldNetDaily.comJune 19, 2002WASHINGTON â Relatives of a flight attendant who may have been knifed todeath by hijackers aboard American Airlines Flight 11 "no longer trust"the carrier to tell them the truth about what happened to her, and haveretained lawyers to investigate and sue American for negligence,WorldNetDaily has learned.The planned litigation would mark the first lawsuit filed against anairline by relatives of a crewmember slain in the Sept. 11 hijackings."It nags them that they do not know what the actual real fate of theirloved one was," said a member of the law firm of Baum Hedlund AristeiGuilford & Schiavo, which is handling the case. "They no longer trustAmerican Airlines to tell them the truth."He says the family wants "answers" more than money. "They also want toknow who's at fault," he said. "Who's accountable for security lapses?"The unique case â led by Baum Hedlund partner Mary F. Schiavo, a formerTransportation Department inspector general â is one of several new Sept.11 lawsuits the Los Angeles firm, which also has offices here, ispreparing to file over the next few weeks. The personal-injury firm,which specializes in major accidents, already represents 32 families ofpassengers killed in the hijackings.The Baum Hedlund source would not name the slain American flightattendant, but says her sister has information indicating she wasmurdered by hijackers in a struggle aboard Flight 11, which hit Tower Oneafter leaving Boston.>From accounts of a chilling phone call made from the plane, hijackersslit the throats of two flight attendants who tried to bar them fromentering the cockpit, as WorldNetDaily first reported late Sept. 11.Madeline Amy Sweeney, in a frantic conversation with her Americansupervisor, Michael Woodward, on the ground at Logan InternationalAirport, identified the slain attendants by their crew numbers.Head flight attendant Karen Martin was one of the brave women who triedto protect the pilots. The other has yet to be publicly named, andAmerican has withheld information from relatives seeking confirmation,the law firm source says.He says Shiavo plans to ask for Woodward's original notes of hisconversation with Sweeney, which apparently was not recorded, as part ofdiscovery in the case.American spokesman John Hotard says he does not know where the originalnotes are."I've never seen them. I don't know if they went to the FBI, or if a copywent to the FBI," he said in a recent WorldNetDaily interview. "But theFBI got a hold of them very quickly, and wrote a summary."A confidential Federal Aviation Administration executive summary of thehijackings, written Sept. 11, mentions two crew members being stabbed,but then goes on to detail the shooting of a passenger â naming both thehijacker, who allegedly fired a single shot, and the victim, asWorldNetDaily also first reported.Families members have complained to lawyers that the FBI has been astight-lipped as
[CTRL] Fwd: The secret plan to rule the politcal world-karl rove
-Caveat Lector- http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- Begin Message --- -Caveat Lector- great article-check it out http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/wed/opinion/news_1e19dowd.html deacon www.newschatinn.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om --- End Message ---
Re: [CTRL] The problem is with the people
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/21/02 7:28:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << If Arafat hadn't backed out in Jan 2001 we would already be building a Palestinian state. You cannot leave negotiations because you do not get 100% of what you want - that1s not the nature of negotiations. >> Arafat backed out, not because he didn't get 100% of what he wanted, but because the hidden agenda is the total distruction of the Israeli state. Arafat enters into negotiations only to buy time when he gets himself into a corner. The arab map of the middle east does not include an Israeli State. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The problem is with the people
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/20/02 8:12:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << He deeper answer - I Think when Rabin and Arafat met to sign Oslo at the Whitehouse, they both officially recognized each other as ;legitimate statesmen. >> These two are politicians, they will say anything to anybody and shake anyhand as long as there is a camera there to record it. Do they recognize each other as legitimate statesmen, I doubt it. They would prefer the other dead. http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The problem is with the people
-Caveat Lector- Prudy - If Arafat hadn't backed out in Jan 2001 we would already be building a Palestinian state. You cannot leave negotiations because you do not get 100% of what you want - that¹s not the nature of negotiations. on 6/21/02 10:00 AM, Prudy L at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -Caveat Lector- > > In a message dated 6/20/02 11:12:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << The glib answer: how many times have the Palestinians recognized Israel's > right to exist? Hell - even the Saudi proposal's big offer is for Arab > states to recognize Israel. > > He deeper answer - I Think when Rabin and Arafat met to sign Oslo at the > Whitehouse, they both officially recognized each other as ;legitimate > statesmen. >> > > Both answers are true, but my statement still stands. Israel will never > allow a Palestinian state. Prudy > > http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER > == > CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic > screeds are unwelcomed. Substance?not soap-boxing?please! These are > sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'?with its many half-truths, mis- > directions and outright frauds?is used politically by different groups with > major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. > That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and > always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no > credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. > > Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. > > Archives Available at: > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html > http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ > http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl > > To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: > SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Om -- --- - "Well, I've wrestled with reality for 35 years, doctor, and I'm happy to state I finally won out over it" Elwood P Dowd NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] "It's unfortunate ... "
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/21/02 3:56:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Beyond competing with U.S. armaments, Israeli weapons also flow to countries off- limits to American companies. Its weapons buttress the arsenals of nations such as China that the United States considers strategic competitors, alarming U.S. military planners. Last year, U.S. surveillance planes flying along China's coast were threatened by Chinese fighter jets armed with Israeli missiles. >> Come, come. I hear Israel described as our only ally in the Middle East at least once a day. Perhaps we'll take our base out of Saudi Arabia and put it in Israel. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Israeli TV Companies Weigh Taking CNN Off the Air
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/21/02 1:33:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Thu Jun 20, 7:39 AM ET By Tova Cohen TEL AVIV (Reuters) - Israeli television broadcasters are considering pulling the plug on the CNN news channel in protest at comments made by U.S. media mogul Ted Turner, officials and sources at the companies said on Thursday >> And well they should. No criticism of Israel should ever be allowed. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The problem is with the people
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 6/20/02 11:12:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << The glib answer: how many times have the Palestinians recognized Israel's right to exist? Hell - even the Saudi proposal's big offer is for Arab states to recognize Israel. He deeper answer - I Think when Rabin and Arafat met to sign Oslo at the Whitehouse, they both officially recognized each other as ;legitimate statesmen. >> Both answers are true, but my statement still stands. Israel will never allow a Palestinian state. Prudy http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Saudis airlifted hundreds of Al Qaida from Iran
-Caveat Lector- http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_9.htm l Saudis airlifted hundreds of Al Qaida from Iran SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM Wednesday, June 19, 2002 ABU DHABI Saudi Arabia has airlifted hundreds of Al Qaida militants home from Iran this year. Gulf and Saudi opposition sources said the airlift began in January. They said Iran granted Riyad permission to send Saudi government jets to evacuate hundreds of Al Qaida and Taliban members detained by Iran. The Saudi nationals were fleeing approaching U.S. troops in Afghanistan. Saudi nationals were said to have comprised a significant portion of the estimated 10,000 Al Qaida agents who had been based in Afghanistan, Middle East Newsline reported. Fifteen of the 19 suicide attackers on New York and Washington on Sept. 11 were Saudis. The sources said many of the Saudis escaped Afghanistan by fleeing over the Iranian border where some of them were detained. They said those airlifted from Iran were regarded as Al Qaida members linked to the royal family. Lower-ranking Saudi nationals were granted safe passage through Iran to the port of Bandar Abbas, where they arrived to the kingdom by sea. Other Saudis particularly those who served as aides to Osama Bin Laden were informed that they were no longer welcomed in the kingdom and were directed to other destinations in the Middle East, particularly North Africa. This included Saudi national Abu Zbeir Al Haili, captured by Morocco and said to have been a leading Al Qaida operative. At one point, the sources said, Teheran had detained close to 200 Saudi nationals. But earlier this year, Teheran agreed to a Saudi offer to evacuate the imprisoned nationals. This prompted an airlift from eastern Iran to the Saudi city of Medina. Saudi Arabia has acknowledged the return of Al Qaida members to the kingdom. On Tuesday, an Interior Ministry statement announced the arrest of 11 nationals on charges of planning attacks throughout the kingdom, including U.S. military targets. An Iraqi and Sudanese national were also arrested. Officials said the Sudanese national was extradited from Khartoum after he escaped the kingdom through Iraq. The officials said Riyad has not determined whether Iraqi authorities were linked to the Al Qaida plot. "The security agencies have arrested elements linked to Al Qaida who were planning to carry out terrorist attacks against vital installations in the kingdom using explosives and two SA-7 missiles," the Saudi Press Agency quoted an Interior Ministry official as saying. The London-based Al Hayat daily reported on Wednesday that the SA-7 missiles and other Al Qaida weapons were smuggled into Saudi Arabia from neighboring Yemen. The 1,100-kilometer Saudi-Yemeni border has been used as an escape route for Al Qaida militants who fled Afghanistan. Saudi officials said some of the Al Qaida detainees were regarded as sleeper agents. Earlier, the ministry released 160 Saudi nationals deemed as not posing a threat to the country. The Saudi-owned Al Hayat daily described the men as having fought alongside Taliban in the U.S.-led war in Afghanistan. -- Outgoing mail is certified virus free Scanned by Norton AntiVirus "Know Your Enemy" http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] SNET: Constitutional Limitations on Taxing Power (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:30:39 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SNET: Constitutional Limitations on Taxing Power -> SNETNEWS Mailing List Constitutional Limitations on Taxing Power In order to understand why paying income tax and filing tax forms are voluntary actions for individuals, it is essential to understand the limitations on federal taxation embodied in the United States Constitution. The statesmen who wrote the Constitution were fully aware of the dangers to liberty in allowing a central government to impose taxes directly upon individuals or upon property. The framers of the Constitution included not one, but two limitations in the Constitution that forbid the federal government to impose any direct taxes upon individuals or upon property. All direct taxes are required to be "apportioned," which means that they must be laid upon the state governments in proportion to each states population. Another words, if one person owes $10, all persons owe $10 not $10,000 or $100,000. The limitations forbidding direct taxation of individuals are found first in Article 1, Section 2, Clause 3, which states: "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers..." and again in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4, which states: "No Capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration here in before directed to be taken." These basic sections of the Constitution have never been repealed or amended. The Constitution still forbids direct taxation of individuals and property. In the past, America prospered and became the greatest and richest country in the world when individuals paid no income tax and governments revenues were raised by constitutionally authorized taxes on certain goods and services and on corporations. But now, money is taken from the productive sector of society by the income tax to support the non-productive sector, foreign aid, give-aways and a bloated, needless bureaucracy. The income tax paid by citizens sharply reduces their earnings, thus they buy less, causing business to decline, leading to unemployment and depression which lowers the standard of living for all Americans. The income tax has created havoc in America's economy, in addition to the loss of liberty and the harassment of our people by the IRS's oppressive collection tactics. The collection of the income tax enforced by fear and intimidation, it is as un-American as the origin of the income tax itself. A graduated income tax is the second plank of Karl Marx Communist Manifesto. Deceiving citizens into voluntarily subjecting themselves to a tax they do not owe is FRAUD. And when individuals who do voluntarily subject themselves to the income (excise) tax by filing returns, have assessments of tax laid on them directly by the IRS, it is a blatant violation of the constitutional limitation forbidding the direct taxation of individuals. If the IRS then confiscates the individuals wages or property by levy and seizure to settle the unconstitutionally laid tax claims, the action is pure theft under color of law. The U.S. Constitution is the supreme law of the land. It was written to create a government of limited powers for the primary purpose of securing citizens rights to life, liberty and property. The Declaration of Independence states that it is the duty of citizens to oppose and resist abuses of their rights.These violations of citizens rights can be stopped if enough people become informed of these facts. The Constitution is a precious document of our heritage of freedom. Its guarantees of liberty are only as effective as the will of the people to enforce them. Your labor is your property. Knowledge will give you the power to protect and enjoy all the fruits of your labors. Make no mistake what the founding fathers would do today if they were serving in Congress. Impeachment proceedings would begin this very day and continue night and day. Those not impeached would be hanged for treason. Wake Up America Today, the Congress and the President, and the entire judicial system is a disgrace to our country. Beaver Cole -> To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ==^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?b1ddDh.b2FRTm Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^ http://w
[CTRL] POLICE STATE USA (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html -- Forwarded message -- Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:01:01 -0400 From: John P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: John Birch Discuss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: POLICE STATE USA "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Central control of Police is the definition of the "Police State". At this moment, local police are being converted into FEDERAL MARSHALS. This could only be a preparation for the imposition of MARSHAL LAW. MARSHAL LAW involves the suspension of the constitution. A police state exists when federal and state police mechanisms: 1. Serve the central government instead of serving the citizens 2. Enforce the policies of the central government instead of responding primarily to criminal misdeeds 3. Spy on and intimidate citizens All these conditions now exist in the United States! In a free society, police agencies respond to evidence of planned and actual criminal activity. Police officers in a free society keep the peace; they do not investigate citizens and activities unless there is some reason to investigate. * In a free society, police do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the central government, only their action. * Citizen dissent is lawful in a free society and police agencies do not investigate citizens' attitudes toward the criminal justice apparatus. Those conditions no longer exist in the United States! Under the former 1989 Guidelines, the FBI first had to obtain evidence suggesting some kind of criminal activity before its agents could begin investigating. Under the FBI's new May 30, 2002 revised Guidelines, FBI agents are authorized to carry out "general topical research" and retain files on this research. Specifically, agents may conduct "online searches" and visit "online sites and forums as part of such research." The new Guidelines warn against searching "for information by individuals' names or other individual identifiers," but it's okay to search by names to locate "names of authors who write on the topic" that the agent is researching. Of course every citizen of the United States is a possible "author" of e-mail messages on a variety of subjects, so all U.S. citizens are potential "terrorism suspects" under these new guidelines. The new Guidelines now encourage the FBI to snoop around looking for people who might be suspicious, creating files on anyone who catches their fancy. Agents can now investigate people, organizations, websites, chat rooms and forums for any reason or for no reason at all. They can enter your home without a warrant and are not required to inform you that they have invaded your home if you are not present. All the records they create in their investigations will be placed in national databases available to all agencies now under the new "Homeland Security" umbrella. Never in U.S. history has there been such a monolithic surveillance mechanism with the terrible power to destroy American citizens' lives. The 1989 and the new 2002 Guidelines expressly state that the FBI must not launch investigations "based solely on [citizens'] activities protected by the First Amendment or on the lawful exercise of any other [federal or Constitutional] rights." Do you see your local FBI agent as having a clear enough understanding of constitutional rights to keep him from investigating people whom he identifies as having "terrorist proclivities?" Scores of U.S. cities are now using surveillance television camera systems to spy on citizens--shades of 1984. With video cameras perched atop buildings and poles, watching whatever American are doing, do you suppose there might be some potential for abuse in such systems? Christian Parenti's, article, "DC's Virtual Panopticon," in the June 3, 2002 issue of The Nation describes how "police in Detroit and DC have used CCTV [closed-circuit television] to stalk personal foes, political opponents and young women." Smile, you're on Kandid Kamera. To justify its expanding obliteration of constitutional liberties, the Bush administration uses the most insane brand of logic--which should outrage American citizens: * Why did the intelligence agencies fail to detect or prevent 9/11? Because they didn't have enough money. So we'll give them billions more. * Why is the F.B.I. still failing in its fight against terrorism? Because the rights of American citizens are preventing the agency from carrying out its job. So we'll set up new Guidelines and take away more constitutional rights of citizens. * Why is it unnecessary for the Bush administration to provide records to Congress concerning Enron or prior knowledge of possible terrorist attacks? Because we're in a state of war and the executive branch m
[CTRL] The Bourne (Lack of) Identity
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.sierratimes.com/02/06/21/rockyd.htm }}}>Begin Politically Incorrect Movie Reviews The Bourne Identity by RadioFree Rocky D Published 06. 21. 02 at 0:19 Sierra Time Cast: Matt Damon (Jason Bourne) badass baby- faced baddie-bopper. Franka Potente (Marie) mixed-up maiden mad for man-boy. Chris Cooper (Conklin) caustic Caucasian causing calamities. Brian Cox (Abbott) Dick Cheney doppelganger. Adewale Akinnouye-Agabaje (Wombasi) anarchist African antagonist. Julia Stiles (Nicolette) sexy spy secretary. Clive Owen (Professor) the spy who stayed out in the cold. Faced with a choice of seeing Windtalkers (the noble Injun saves Pale Faces useless hide, even though he does NOT deserve it); Scooby Doo (updated to indoctrinate your kids into the world of accepted lesbianism and recreational drugs) and The Bourne Identity; I chose the latter, because everyone likes a good spy flick that is unless the main character is an amnesiac who cannot figure out who he is. Lets see you have more fake passports than Osama bin Laden, secret laser gizmos implanted in you, automatically open up a can-o-whoop on anyone who comes near and youre being followed by black-suited assassins. Hmm ya dont suppose maybe youre a spy or something, do you Einstein? DUH! Hes The Talented Mr. Ripley who has no idea how he got so talented. Double DUH! Therein lies the problem with The Bourne Identity. I reckon amnesia is quite disconcerting on a personal level and I dont mind suspending belief on a common sense scale (thats half the fun of the movies), but I gotta believe that a guy who remembers deadly hand-to-hand combat maneuvers, can speak several languages, has a lock box full of foreign currency and wakes up with bullet holes in his back would remember being a spy. This guy is the Hillary Clinton of the espionage set: I dont recall hmm I dunno I cant say for sure but dont forget to buy my memoirs. The story starts out as Damon is plucked out of the Mediterranean Sea by a French fishing trawler named Aventure, which is French for adventure. The boat shouldve been named Nous Refusé Savon (we refuse soap), by the looks of the crew. It is here that we find out that our hero has no memory, yet he can do all sorts of really cool stuff. This is in addition to the laser gizmo sliced out of his skin. Perhaps because the French tend to accept anyone who looks in need of a bath and a shave, the sailors never attempt to radio shore. Caucasian fishermen are stupid and evil because they trap innocent happy dolphins in their tuna nets. Non-Caucasian fishermen only use dolphin safe nets. Non- Caucasians are at one with The Sea. White men pollute and ruin the oceans. I know this, because Hollyweird tells me so. On land, Damon heads to the first American flag he sees (I thought he had amnesia?) and ends up in line at some bumbling bureaucratic office where everyone has trouble with their visas. What? Foreign countries give visitors flack about their visas? Well, not here in the good ol U.S. of A., by cracky. Yall just wander in over our borderlines (we wont look). Just come on in. Well give you a visa; hell well even approve your student loan after youve already flown a jetliner into a building. Flack over visas? Pish-tosh, not us; that would be intolerant of multicultural diversity. Wouldnt want to rile the ACLU with profiling, now would we? After opening up a can of RoboDamon 2002 whoop ass and scaling a building ala Spiderman, Damon meets up with The Girl. They go on what can only be described as the worlds smallest car chase, with Damon outrunning multiple cop cruisers and two motorcycles in a Cooper Mini. For those of you who dont know what a Cooper Mini is, think golf cart with a hard top. For those of you who think that you can escape anything in a Cooper Mini, think this not! I dont like her. Shes not on the radar, says one of the creepy spies. Thats Big Brother for you not happy when they cannot monitor you 24-7. And naturally, with the world full of Middle Eastern terrorists, we need to be monitoring European Caucasians. After all, we all know the rise of the Fourth Reich is right around the corner and that there are Nazis behind every bush (see Sum Of All Fears review). By now, Damon has figured out that hes some kind of bad guy, and that even badder guys are trying to make Swiss cheese out of him. The even badder guys are the CIA, of course. And who are the baddest of bad guys in the CIA? Why, Evil Caucasian Capitalists! One of the guys even looks like Dick Cheney. This is Hollyweirds way of telling us that he is the really bad guy. After all, George & Dick stole the White House from that nice man who kisses his wife all the time. Bad George & Dick! Bad bad bad! The other bad Whitey is terrific character actor Chris Cooper (the mean ex-Marine in Ameri
[CTRL] The Challenge is Accepted !!!
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.middleeastwire.com:8080/storypage.jsp?id=12534 >>>Well, W and Toony turned down Omar's challenge of AKs at 100 whatevers; now we'll see what the second round will bring<<< }}}>Begin Fri Jun 21 04:05:33 EDT 2002 Saddam gives security, Baath party power to kill opponents Publisher: Iraq Press (London) By: Posted: 2002-06-20 Sulaimaniya - President Saddam Hussein has ordered his security services and members of his ruling Baath party to shoot and kill anyone suspected of planning "hostile action" against his government. Most party members, who according to official statistics number about one million, carry guns and mount armed patrols in residential neighborhoods throughout the country. But their loyalty is not certain as many of them pointed their guns at Saddam's troops during uprisings that took place shortly after the 1991 Gulf War over Kuwait. A source refusing to be named told Iraq Press that Saddam's order was issued recently and has been conveyed to the security services and party branches across the country. He said Saddam has taken all the precautionary measures to prevent a repetition of the post-Gulf War uprising, which saw the collapse of his administration in 14 out of Iraq's 18 provinces. Saddam has been holding regular meetings with his Baath party leaders, army commanders and intelligence and security officers on how to preserve his grip on power if the United States mounts a military attack to change his regime. "Shoot and kill at random once you sense the slightest smell of dissent," the source said of the latest instructions. Saddam has also pledged to protect army, security or party personnel killing dissenters from prosecution. The source said Iraqi courts are under instructions to overlook such incidents. The instructions come at a time Saddam has substantially increased his bonuses to associates. Travelers say Saddam has recently given huge amounts of money, cars and plots of land to senior officers in the armed forces and the Baath party. © 2002 [Iraq Press (London)]. End<{{{ ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no automatic endorsement + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it." The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] DynCorp Disgrace
-Caveat Lector- Please send as far and wide as possible. Thanks, Robert Sterling Editor, The Konformist http://www.konformist.com Insight on the News - National Issue: 06/24/02 DynCorp Disgrace By Kelly Patricia O'Meara Middle-aged men having sex with 12- to 15-year-olds was too much for Ben Johnston, a hulking 6-foot-5-inch Texan, and more than a year ago he blew the whistle on his employer, DynCorp, a U.S. contracting company doing business in Bosnia. According to the Racketeer Influenced Corrupt Organization Act (RICO) lawsuit filed in Texas on behalf of the former DynCorp aircraft mechanic, "in the latter part of 1999 Johnston learned that employees and supervisors from DynCorp were engaging in perverse, illegal and inhumane behavior [and] were purchasing illegal weapons, women, forged passports and [participating in] other immoral acts. Johnston witnessed coworkers and supervisors literally buying and selling women for their own personal enjoyment, and employees would brag about the various ages and talents of the individual slaves they had purchased." Rather than acknowledge and reward Johnston's effort to get this behavior stopped, DynCorp fired him, forcing him into protective custody by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Division (CID) until the investigators could get him safely out of Kosovo and returned to the United States. That departure from the war-torn country was a far cry from what Johnston imagined a year earlier when he arrived in Bosnia to begin a three-year U.S. Air Force contract with DynCorp as an aircraft-maintenance technician for Apache and Blackhawk helicopters. For more than 50 years DynCorp, based in Reston, Va., has been a worldwide force providing maintenance support to the U.S. military through contract field teams (CFTs). As one of the federal government's top 25 contractors, DynCorp has received nearly $1 billion since 1995 for these services and has deployed 181 personnel to Bosnia during the last six years. Although DynCorp long has been respected for such work, according to Johnston and internal DynCorp communications it appears that extracurricular sexcapades on the part of its employees were tolerated by some as part of its business in Bosnia. But DynCorp was nervous. For instance, an internal e-mail from DynCorp employee Darrin Mills, who apparently was sent to Bosnia to look into reported problems, said, "I met with Col. Braun [a base supervisor] yesterday. He is very concerned about the CID investigation; however, he views it mostly as a DynCorp problem. What he wanted to talk about most was how I am going to fix the maintenance problems here and how the investigation is going to impact our ability to fix his airplanes." The Mills e-mail continued: "The first thing he told me is that 'they are tired of having smoke blown up their ass.' They don't want anymore empty promises." An e-mail from Dyncorp's Bosnia site supervisor, John Hirtz (later fired for alleged sexual indiscretions), explains DynCorp's position in Bosnia. "The bottom line is that DynCorp has taken what used to be a real positive program that has very high visibility with every Army unit in the world and turned it into a bag of worms. Poor quality was the major issue." Johnston was on the ground and saw firsthand what the military was complaining about. "My main problem," he explains, "was [sexual misbehavior] with the kids, but I wasn't too happy with them ripping off the government, either. DynCorp is just as immoral and elite as possible, and any rule they can break they do. There was this one guy who would hide parts so we would have to wait for parts and, when the military would question why it was taking so long, he'd pull out the part and say 'Hey, you need to install this.' They'd have us replace windows in helicopters that weren't bad just to get paid. They had one kid, James Harlin, over there who was right out of high school and he didn't even know the names and purposes of the basic tools. Soldiers that are paid $18,000 a year know more than this kid, but this is the way they [DynCorp] grease their pockets. What they say in Bosnia is that DynCorp just needs a warm body that's the DynCorp slogan. Even if you don't do an eight-hour day, they'll sign you in for it because that's how they bill the government. It's a total fraud." Remember, Johnston was fired by this company. He laughs bitterly recalling the work habits of a DynCorp employee in Bosnia who "weighed 400 pounds and would stick cheeseburgers in his pockets and eat them while he worked. The problem was he would literally fall asleep every five minutes. One time he fell asleep with a torch in his hand and burned a hole through the plastic on an aircraft." This same man, according to Johnston, "owned a girl who couldn't have been more than 14 years old. It's a sick sight anyway to see any grown man [having sex] with a child, but to see some 45-year-old man who weighs 400 pounds with a little girl, it just makes you
[CTRL] Global Warming, Pests Gaining
-Caveat Lector- >From http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalwarming/story/0,7369,741074,00.html }}}>Begin World sickens as heat rises Infections in wildlife spread as pests thrive in climate change Tim Radford, science editor Friday June 21, 2002 The Guardian Climate change is favouring pests and parasites and triggering widespread outbreaks of disease in wildlife, according to US scientists. Warmer summers and milder winters are encouraging disease- bearing infections that blight coral reefs, kill shellfish colonies, and threaten lions, cranes, vultures and even ferrets. The global warming is also helping to spread tropical diseases to human habitations previously unaffected by such illnesses, they report in the journal Science today. "This is not just a question of coral bleaching for a few marine ecologists, nor just a question of malaria for a few health officials. The number of similar increases in disease incidence is astonishing," said Richard Ostfield, of the Institute for Ecosystem Studies, in Millbrook, New York. Andrew Dobson, of Princeton University, said: "The accumulation of evidence has us extremely worried. We share diseases with some of these species. The risk for humans is going up." Frosts and cool periods can cut insect, parasite and fungus pest populations by up to 99%. But mellow winters, followed by long spells of warmth and humidity, provide perfect conditions for their survival. Ecologists and health officials began predicting years ago that mosquitoes, ticks, rodents, viruses, fungi and bacteria were likely to spread into other areas as temperatures rose, with potentially devastating effects on wildlife. In Hawaii, avian malaria has already wiped out native song birds living below an altitude of 1,400 metres (4,500ft); 30 years ago, the malarial mosquitoes only survived up to an altitude of 800 metres. The team, led by Drew Harvell, of the ecology and evolutionary biology department at Cornell University, also used the hotspots of El Nino - the dramatic cyclic increase in the warmth of the tropical Pacific ocean that also affects African and American climate patterns - as a guide to climate trends. The scientists looked at the massive die-off of corals during the unusually warm El Nino year of 1998. Much of the coral had died from fungal and other diseases thriving in warmer seas. Oysters in Maine, in the US, had been blighted by parasites normally restricted to more southerly waters. Lions in the Serengeti had suffered canine distemper, and cranes, vultures and even wild American ferrets had been hit by disease outbreaks. The monarch butterfly came under pressure from an exploding parasite population. Rift valley fever, a devastating viral illness of cattle and humans, spread by mosquitoes, also spread during the hot El Nino year of 1998. In a warmer world, such events could occur more regularly: viruses in the mosquito population would multiply , and so too would the mosquitoes. The scientists fear that the spread of tropical infections to temperate zones could have even more calamitous effects. The tropics, compared with other geographical regions, have a richer variety of species and fewer individuals in each species; diversity acts as a buffer to the spread of disease. But temperate zones have a smaller range of species, with greater numbers in each, so pathogens moving into the temperate zones could affect a few common and abundant susceptible species. "And human destruction of biodiversity makes this a double whammy. It means we are exacerbating the problem," said Dr Dobson. "We have to get serious about global change. It is not only going to be a warmer world, it is going to be a sicker world." End<{{{ ~~~ Forwarded as information only; no automatic endorsement + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. section 107, this material is distributed without charge or profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving this type of information for non-profit research and educational purposes only. + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe simply because it has been handed down for many generations. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is written in Holy Scriptures. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of Teachers, elders or wise men. Believe only after careful observation and analysis, when you find that it agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all. Then accept it and live up to it." The Buddha on Belief, from the Kalama Sutta + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + "Always do sober what you said you'd do drunk. That will teach you to keep your mouth shut." --- Ernest Hemingway http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER == CTRL
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-Caveat Lector- From http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020620/ap_wo_en_po/israel _arms_competitor_3 }}}>Begin U.S. aid to Israel subsidizes a potent weapons exporter Wed Jun 19, 9:37 PM ET By JIM KRANE, AP Technology Writer NEW YORK - At an arms trade fair in Paris this week, Israel showed the world's military shoppers fruits of its high-tech arms industry, including its Merkava tank, unmanned spy planes and the planet's most sophisticated missile defense system. With its tourist industry all but shuttered by a 21-month Palestinian uprising and high-tech in a slump, the Jewish state depends deeply on the foreign currency earnings of its weapons industry, now the world's 10th largest. Deftly marketed missiles, radar and other products from Israeli companies now compete with those of top-tier arms producers including the United States, reaping about dlrs 2 billion of a dlrs 27 billion yearly worldwide market, said Kuti Mor, deputy director general of Israel's Ministry of Defense. In France, Turkey, The Netherlands and Finland, Israeli companies have edged such U.S. firms as Raytheon, Northrop Grumman and General Atomics out of arms deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars in recent years. The irony, experts say, is that tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars and transfers of American military technology helped create and nurture Israel's industry, in effect subsidizing a foreign competitor. No other country receives as much U.S. aid or freedom to plow it into its own export industries as Israel, say experts in academia, industry and the U.S. government. "It's allowed them to advance faster than Lockheed or Boeing or Hughes would have liked," said David Lewis, a doctoral candidate at Rutgers University who has researched Israel's defense industry for a forthcoming book. While the United States gets certain benefits from its 50-year partnership with Israel political leverage, a proving ground for new weapons and intelligence cooperation among them critics point to a serious downside. "It's a new concept for most people." said Joel Johnson, a vice president at the Aerospace Industries Association of America, which represents many of the largest U.S. arms producers. "We give them money to build stuff for themselves and the U.S. taxpayer gets nothing in return." The rationale, said Richard Fisher, a defense analyst with the Jamestown Foundation, is that Washington is willing to sacrifice some defense industry competitiveness in order to give Israel incentive to make peace. Supporters of Israel tend to view the transfers of U.S. technology and funds as good for both countries' economies, akin to post-World War II assistance for Europe and Japan. "It's true that Israel sometimes competes with the U.S., but so do all those countries," said Mark Regev, a spokesman at the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. "Is it that different than American aid to Japan, or the Marshall Plan in western Europe?" Beyond competing with U.S. armaments, Israeli weapons also flow to countries off- limits to American companies. Its weapons buttress the arsenals of nations such as China that the United States considers strategic competitors, alarming U.S. military planners. Last year, U.S. surveillance planes flying along China's coast were threatened by Chinese fighter jets armed with Israeli missiles. During the series of airborne confrontations, a Chinese jet crashed after colliding with a U.S. spy plane, killing the Chinese pilot and disabling the U.S. plane. The incident sparked a bitter diplomatic row as China detained the American crew for 11 days. Had Chinese fighter pilots been given the order to fire, they could have brought down the U.S. planes with Israeli Python III missiles. U.S. technology given to the Israelis in the form of the Sidewinder missile was used in the development of the Python, said Larry Wortzel, former U.S. Army attache in Beijing and now a military analyst at the Heritage Foundation. U.S. defense chiefs say Israel sold China the missiles without informing the United States. "Generally speaking, we're not in favor of such capable weapons systems being proliferated to a variety of nations around the world," Rear Adm. Craig Quigley said in a Pentagon ( news - web sites) briefing last year. "That's a good missile, and its capabilities are considerable." In 2000, Israel bowed to U.S. pressure and canceled the sale to China of its AWACS-style airborne early warning radar planes. The director general of Israel's finance ministry, Ohad Marani, said Israel typically discusses arms sales with the Americans. "We don't sell systems that upset the Pentagon," Marani said. Israel's arms industry nevertheless continues to put great emphasis on the Chinese market, hawking its spy planes and radar systems at recent trade shows in Beijing and Singapore. China may unveil as early as this year its new J-10 jet fighter, which experts say is modeled on Israel's Lavi. The Lavi, now