Re: Debian 10.04.0 Root user password changed during the instalation

[David Christensen]

On 2020-05-29 02:15, Jose Ramon Sanchez Gomez wrote:

The virtualisation software that I use is Oracle's VM Virtualbox. I've dowloaded the .iso files (both the full installation, 3 DVDs, and the netinst versions) 


Please copy and paste a terminal session showing the ISO file(s) and 
their SHA256 checksums.  For example:


$ sha256sum debian-9.11.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
aeafc6142cb1c8636ba219a7d91339afc0be92adb722f8931bc58194295e307d 
debian-9.11.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso



> I'm installing [Debian] on a virtual machine running on Windows 10.

Please provide details of how you installed Debian.  For example:

Debian GNU/Linux installer boot menuInstall
LanguageC
Continent or region North America
Country, territory or area  United States
Keymap to use   American English
Primary network interface   eth0
Hostnametinkywinky
Domain name tracy.holgerdanske.com
Root password   
Full name for the new user  Debian
Username for your account   debian
Choose a password for the new user  
Select your time zone   Pacific
Partitioning method manual
Encrypted volume (sda3_crypt) - 1.0 GB Linux device-mapper (crypt)
 #1 1.0 GB f  swap  swap
Encrypted volume (sda4_crypt) - 12.0 GB Linux device-mapper (crypt)
 #112.0 GB f  ext4  /
SCSI5 (0,0,0) (sda) - 60.0 GB ATA INTEL SSDSC2CW06
 #1  primary  999.3 MB  B  F  ext4  /boot
 #2  primary1.0 GB K  crypto
 #3  primary   12.0 GB K  crypto
   46.0 GBFREESPACE
Finish partitioning and write changes to disk
Use a network mirrorYes
Mirror country  United States
Archive mirror  ftp.us.debian.org
HTTP proxy  
Participate in the package usage survey No
Choose software to install
Debian desktop environment
Xfce
print server
SSH server
standard system utilities
Install GRUB into master boot recordYes
Device  /dev/sda
Installation complete   Continue



... I open the Konsole terminal and try to use the root privilegies. ... 
unsuccessfully ...


Please copy and paste a terminal session that demonstrates unsuccessful 
use of root priveledges.



David

Re: Debian 10.04.0 Root user password changed during the instalation

[l0f4r0]

Hi,

Which commands have you used in order to "use the root privileges"?

If I sum up the situation:
* you've never had any password issues regarding your simple user account.
* your only solution so far has been to configure no password for root 
initially but assign one afterwards.
Right?

Best regards,
l0f4r0

Debian 10.04.0 Root user password changed during the instalation

[Jose Ramon Sanchez Gomez]

Sirs,
First of all, thankyou very much for your effort. You are helping many people, 
like me, to discover all the possibilities of the Linux operating system.

Nevertheless I have found a serious issue.

I'm installing your operating system on a virtual machine running on Windows 
10. The virtualisation software that I use is Oracle's VM Virtualbox. I've 
dowloaded the .iso files (both the full installation, 3 DVDs, and the netinst 
versions) with identical results, using two different computers.

In all cases I have installed the virtual machine using the ISO, using standard 
options, one drive (plus swap), root password, and user password.

It install flawlessly the operating system, until I open the Konsole terminal 
and try to use the root privilegies.

First I get mad trying to make it works, unsuccessfully. Then I supposed that 
I've typed my password wrong, or an issue with my keyboard layout... to 
summarize it was my fault.

In order to avoid the same problem, I made another virtual machine, with 
identical results. I couldn't reach root (I had taken a photograph of my 
password and it was correct). The user could log in without any trouble.

I've tried to reset root password through GRUB, without success.

Finally I make it work by NOT assigning ANY password to root. Then my user is 
added to suddoers group (I suppose), and then I  assing root a  password with 
the order PASSWD.

I have been searching through the Internet, and it looks this issue started 
with Debian 9 distribution.

Hope this may help you to find and repair this annoying bug. For someone like 
me, who doesn't have any idea about linux this is a major problem.

Again thank you, and good luck looking for the gap.

Best regards,


José Ramón Sánchez Gómez

KMLCSV Converter error default instalation

[William Torrez Corea]

How i can solve this problem?

An error has occurred. See the log file
/home/lulu/.eclipse/com.choonchernlim.kmlcsv.product_2.2.0_2119858939/configuration/1587689434842.log.


*org.osgi.framework.BundleException: The bundle
"org.eclipse.equinox.common_3.6.0.v20110523 [13]" could not be resolved.
Reason: Missing Constraint: Bundle-RequiredExecutionEnvironment:
CDC-1.1/Foundation-1.1,J2SE-1.4*

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Re: PCI-DSS compliant instalation guide for latest Debian

[claude juif]

Hi,

2015-09-10 12:00 GMT+02:00 Eero Volotinen :

> Well, that is not simply true.
>
> PCI DSS requires to comply all requirements. See:
> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/PCI_DSS_v3-1.pdf
>

PCI DSS said this :

Network segmentation of, or isolating (segmenting), the cardholder data
environment from the remainder of an entity’s network is not a PCI DSS
requirement. However, it is strongly recommended as a method that may
reduce:
 - The scope of the PCI DSS assessment
 - The cost of the PCI DSS assessment
 - The cost and difficulty of implementing and maintaining PCI DSS controls.
 - The risk to an organization (reduced by consolidating cardholder data
into fewer, more controlled locations)

Without adequate network segmentation (sometimes called a "flat network")
the entire network is in scope of the PCI DSS assessment. Network
segmentation can be achieved through a number of physical or logical means,
such as properly configured internal network firewalls, routers with strong
access control lists, or other technologies that restrict access to a
particular segment of a network. To be considered out of scope for PCI DSS,
a system component must be properly isolated !

>
> For example requirement 6.6 requires WAF (on public facing web
> applications).
>
> In simple way, you need also hardening on os or, not just security update.
> If you process lot of data then onsite PCI QSA assesment is also required
> every year and also yearly penetration testing and external & internal
> scanning.
>

In France (don't know about other countries) PCI-DSS certified company come
to your office and scan the relevant part of your network after audit.

BTW just remember you are holding really sensitive information. And the
best way to reduce security flaw is to disallow network access.

Cheers,


>
> Eero
>
> 2015-09-10 12:48 GMT+03:00 claude juif :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If your server is directly connected to Internet, you will fail PCI-DSS
>> compliance. You need at least to put a proxy between internet and your
>> server.
>>
>> IMO, the best way to accomplish this, is to hold credit card data on a
>> separate server (this server will only store data, not more), not connected
>> to internet (no route to internet gateway).
>>
>> Server<-->  Intermediate API server to retrieve Credit
>> card data in a safe way <--> Webserver
>> Credit Card
>>
>> This way, only the intermediate server is allowed to acces credit card
>> data. Credit card server and intermediate server do NOT have access to
>> internet. Obviously Credit Card server and intermediate server should
>> communicate on a private LAN. The only point here, is how you authenticate
>> Webserver with intermediate server. You have plenty of solutions.
>>
>> For the debian part, following the security update is enough for PCI DSS.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> 2015-09-09 8:31 GMT+02:00 Lovrenco Vladislavic <
>> lovrenco.vladisla...@outlook.com>:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Can you provide me with some tutorial for latest Debian installation
>>> which will achieve full compatibility with latest PCI-DSS security standard:
>>>
>>> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
>>> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
>>>
>>> We need to host code for Credit Card data transfer (interface) on it,
>>> and server will be audited by online robot for security issues.
>>>
>>> It would speed up the process if there is some concrete tutorial about
>>> setting up correct services on new Debian installation.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance,
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Lovrenco Vladislavic
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: PCI-DSS compliant instalation guide for latest Debian

[Eero Volotinen]

Well, that is not simply true.

PCI DSS requires to comply all requirements. See:
https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/documents/PCI_DSS_v3-1.pdf

For example requirement 6.6 requires WAF (on public facing web
applications).

In simple way, you need also hardening on os or, not just security update.
If you process lot of data then onsite PCI QSA assesment is also required
every year and also yearly penetration testing and external & internal
scanning.

Eero

2015-09-10 12:48 GMT+03:00 claude juif :

> Hi,
>
> If your server is directly connected to Internet, you will fail PCI-DSS
> compliance. You need at least to put a proxy between internet and your
> server.
>
> IMO, the best way to accomplish this, is to hold credit card data on a
> separate server (this server will only store data, not more), not connected
> to internet (no route to internet gateway).
>
> Server<-->  Intermediate API server to retrieve Credit
> card data in a safe way <--> Webserver
> Credit Card
>
> This way, only the intermediate server is allowed to acces credit card
> data. Credit card server and intermediate server do NOT have access to
> internet. Obviously Credit Card server and intermediate server should
> communicate on a private LAN. The only point here, is how you authenticate
> Webserver with intermediate server. You have plenty of solutions.
>
> For the debian part, following the security update is enough for PCI DSS.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> 2015-09-09 8:31 GMT+02:00 Lovrenco Vladislavic <
> lovrenco.vladisla...@outlook.com>:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can you provide me with some tutorial for latest Debian installation
>> which will achieve full compatibility with latest PCI-DSS security standard:
>>
>> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
>> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
>>
>> We need to host code for Credit Card data transfer (interface) on it, and
>> server will be audited by online robot for security issues.
>>
>> It would speed up the process if there is some concrete tutorial about
>> setting up correct services on new Debian installation.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>>
>> ---
>> Lovrenco Vladislavic
>>
>
>

Re: PCI-DSS compliant instalation guide for latest Debian

[claude juif]

Hi,

If your server is directly connected to Internet, you will fail PCI-DSS
compliance. You need at least to put a proxy between internet and your
server.

IMO, the best way to accomplish this, is to hold credit card data on a
separate server (this server will only store data, not more), not connected
to internet (no route to internet gateway).

Server<-->  Intermediate API server to retrieve Credit card
data in a safe way <--> Webserver
Credit Card

This way, only the intermediate server is allowed to acces credit card
data. Credit card server and intermediate server do NOT have access to
internet. Obviously Credit Card server and intermediate server should
communicate on a private LAN. The only point here, is how you authenticate
Webserver with intermediate server. You have plenty of solutions.

For the debian part, following the security update is enough for PCI DSS.

Cheers,


2015-09-09 8:31 GMT+02:00 Lovrenco Vladislavic <
lovrenco.vladisla...@outlook.com>:

> Hello,
>
> Can you provide me with some tutorial for latest Debian installation which
> will achieve full compatibility with latest PCI-DSS security standard:
>
> https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
>
> We need to host code for Credit Card data transfer (interface) on it, and
> server will be audited by online robot for security issues.
>
> It would speed up the process if there is some concrete tutorial about
> setting up correct services on new Debian installation.
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> ---
> Lovrenco Vladislavic
>

PCI-DSS compliant instalation guide for latest Debian

[Lovrenco Vladislavic]

Hello,



Can you provide me with some tutorial for latest Debian installation which will 
achieve full compatibility with latest PCI-DSS security standard: 
https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/https://www.pcisecuritystandards.org/
We need to host code for Credit Card data transfer (interface) on it, and 
server will be audited by online robot for security issues.
It would speed up the process if there is some concrete tutorial about setting 
up correct services on new Debian installation.
Thank you in advance,
---Lovrenco Vladislavic   

Re: change slapd during debian instalation

[Cyril Brulebois]

Hi,

paulo bruck  (2013-12-18):
> Is it possible to change slapd during debian install? I have done a lot of
> pachages wich depends on some changes at ldap and all this pachakes depends
> on this changes...
> 
> Please let me know if I asking at the correct list.

I'm not sure which kind of changes you're thinking of, but I think your
question might be better asked on debian-user@ (cc'd).

Mraw,
KiBi.


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Re: Instalation and kernel headers

[Pedro Alexi Perez]

Hi all,
thanks to all. Finally I found what's happen. I do not why, my Debian 
i386 Installation CD install an amd64 kernel, butm aparently, as Dave 
Thayer says,


"You might be running a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit userspace"

because the kernel was 64-bit but I cannot install the 64-bit version of 
Virtualbox.

I de-install the amd64 kernel headers and force to install a 32 bits kernel. 
Then I reboot with the new configuration (32-bit kernel) and reinstalled the 
Virtualbox. Now it seems that it is all ok.

Thanks to Ralf Mardof, Claudius Hubig, Camaleón and Dave Thayer, all of 
you helps me a lot!




El 13/05/12 06:37, Dave Thayer escribió:

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:50:52AM +0200, Pedro Alexi Perez wrote:

Hello,
I am trying to install Virtualbox, and after several times with the
same error, I try to check all the steps of the installation in
depth, and I see this message

First Installation: checking all kernels...
Building only for 2.6.32-5-amd64
Building initial module for 2.6.32-5-amd64

Then I check my kernel, and I see that (aparently) my installation
has the 64 bits architecture

$ uname -a
Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012
x86_64 GNU/Linux

But I am pretty sure I installed the 32 bits version. In fact, if I
revise the /etc/apt/sources.list file, I have this line

deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD
Binary-1 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze contrib main

For sure, I tried to install the 64 bits version of Virtualbox, and
I got an error because the wrong architecture.
And, of course, my question is: what's happen? I have a 32 or 64
bits installation?

You might be running a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit userspace. I ran such
a system for quite some time until my last HD upgrade.

Unfortunately, virtualbox is unhappy in such a system, so you have to
set up a 64-bit chroot. There's information on the VB wiki here:
. It's kind of a PITA, but
it works.

HTH

dt



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Re: Instalation and kernel headers

[Dave Thayer]

On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 09:50:52AM +0200, Pedro Alexi Perez wrote:
> Hello,
> I am trying to install Virtualbox, and after several times with the
> same error, I try to check all the steps of the installation in
> depth, and I see this message
> 
> First Installation: checking all kernels...
> Building only for 2.6.32-5-amd64
> Building initial module for 2.6.32-5-amd64
> 
> Then I check my kernel, and I see that (aparently) my installation
> has the 64 bits architecture
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012
> x86_64 GNU/Linux
> 
> But I am pretty sure I installed the 32 bits version. In fact, if I
> revise the /etc/apt/sources.list file, I have this line
> 
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD
> Binary-1 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze contrib main
> 
> For sure, I tried to install the 64 bits version of Virtualbox, and
> I got an error because the wrong architecture.
> And, of course, my question is: what's happen? I have a 32 or 64
> bits installation?

You might be running a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit userspace. I ran such
a system for quite some time until my last HD upgrade. 

Unfortunately, virtualbox is unhappy in such a system, so you have to
set up a 64-bit chroot. There's information on the VB wiki here:
. It's kind of a PITA, but
it works. 

HTH

dt
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Re: Instalation and kernel headers

[Camaleón]

On Fri, 11 May 2012 09:50:52 +0200, Pedro Alexi Perez wrote:

> I am trying to install Virtualbox, and after several times with the same
> error, I try to check all the steps of the installation in depth, and I
> see this message
> 
> First Installation: checking all kernels... 
> Building only for 2.6.32-5-amd64
> Building initial module for 2.6.32-5-amd64
> 
> Then I check my kernel, and I see that (aparently) my installation has
> the 64 bits architecture
> 
> $ uname -a
> Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012 x86_64 
> GNU/Linux

Your finding matches the virtualbox installation output: you are running a 
64 bits kernel so you need the 64 bits headers and modules.

> But I am pretty sure I installed the 32 bits version. In fact, if I
> revise the /etc/apt/sources.list file, I have this line
> 
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
> 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze contrib main

Weird :-?

> For sure, I tried to install the 64 bits version of Virtualbox, 
> and I got an error because the wrong architecture. 

Wrong architecture? It does not seems to be so. Anyway, what was the error 
you got?

> And, of course, my question is: what's happen? I have a 32 or 64 bits 
> installation?

You are running a 64-bits Debian system, that's for sure. But to expand this, 
run "ls -la /boot" and put here the output.

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Re: Instalation and kernel headers

[Claudius Hubig]

Hello Pedro,

Pedro Alexi Perez  wrote:
> $ uname -a
> Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012 x86_64 
> GNU/Linux
> 
> deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
> 20120128-12:53]/ squeeze contrib main

You can have a 64 bit kernel and a 32 bit userland. What is the output of

# dpkg --print-architecture 

?

I suspect that only 64 bit VirtualBox runs on 64 bit kernels, but I
am not sure about that. In any case, you should easily be able to
install a 32 bit kernel (though you might not be able to trivially
use all your memory if you do so).

You should also give the exact and complete output of the command
used to install VirtualBox, probably

# aptitude -t squeeze-backports install virtualbox

Best regards,

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Re: Instalation and kernel headers

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2012-05-11 at 09:50 +0200, Pedro Alexi Perez wrote:
> $ uname -a
> Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012 x86_64 
> GNU/Linux

The kernel should count, however you might have installed a wrong kernel
by some force option or by make install.

> /etc/apt/sources.list

This is just a list, you could add a Microsoft address or your favorite
search engine.

 - Ralf


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Instalation and kernel headers

[Pedro Alexi Perez]

Hello,
I am trying to install Virtualbox, and after several times with the same 
error, I try to check all the steps of the installation in depth, and I 
see this message


First Installation: checking all kernels...
Building only for 2.6.32-5-amd64
Building initial module for 2.6.32-5-amd64

Then I check my kernel, and I see that (aparently) my installation has 
the 64 bits architecture


$ uname -a
Linux linuxpc 2.6.32-5-amd64 #1 SMP Sat May 5 03:03:41 UTC 2012 x86_64 
GNU/Linux


But I am pretty sure I installed the 32 bits version. In fact, if I 
revise the /etc/apt/sources.list file, I have this line


deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.4 _Squeeze_ - Official i386 DVD Binary-1 
20120128-12:53]/ squeeze contrib main


For sure, I tried to install the 64 bits version of Virtualbox, and I 
got an error because the wrong architecture.
And, of course, my question is: what's happen? I have a 32 or 64 bits 
installation?


NOTE: To install Virtualbox, I follow the steps described in 
http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Installation, Squeeze Backports


Best regards.

*

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-16 05:34, Camaleón wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:12:40 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

On 2010-03-15 10:14, Camaleón wrote: 
[snip]

Today there are a few (none?) issues at all. Although there are still
some counted applications that require a 32 bits OS to work.



Counted?


I meant "a small number" of software (mainly proprietary drivers and 
software) is still only available for 32-bits OS. IIRC, Avasys (iscan) 
was not available for 64-bits environments not so long ago.


Oh, ok.  It's a language thing...  :)

There are another apps that, while running fine under 64-bits OS, still 
require from the user some "tweaks" (Adobe AIR, Google Picasa, RealAudio 
codecs, Skype, upstream releases of Mozilla software...) and some others 
do not work at all (i.e., Parallels Workstation).




True.  For that, you can (depending on circumstances) either:
a) stay at 32 bits,
b) run a 64 bit kernel on an 32 bit system, or,
b) run a "pure" 64 bit system with 32 bit software in chroot.

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Re: instalation issue

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 16:12:40 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 2010-03-15 10:14, Camaleón wrote: 
> [snip]
>> 
>> Today there are a few (none?) issues at all. Although there are still
>> some counted applications that require a 32 bits OS to work.
>> 
>> 
> Counted?

I meant "a small number" of software (mainly proprietary drivers and 
software) is still only available for 32-bits OS. IIRC, Avasys (iscan) 
was not available for 64-bits environments not so long ago.

There are another apps that, while running fine under 64-bits OS, still 
require from the user some "tweaks" (Adobe AIR, Google Picasa, RealAudio 
codecs, Skype, upstream releases of Mozilla software...) and some others 
do not work at all (i.e., Parallels Workstation).

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-15 18:54, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 5:07 PM:

On 2010-03-15 16:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 4:11 PM:


Because of the way that AMD designed the specification, it's possible to
install a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system.

You wanna take another stab at that statement Ron?

Nope.

$ uname -m
x86_64

$ file /bin/bash
/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18,
stripped

$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.33-2-amd64 | grep ^Architecture
Architecture: i386



Methinks you were suffering momentary thought dyslexia. ;)


Nope.  The AMD engineers who designed that architecture had true
forethought.


Yes, they did, to an extent, but it wasn't akin to leaping tall buildings in
a single bound.  If I'm reading your original statement correctly, I don't
think you really understand what that forethought was.


Hmmm.


Just to make sure I'm reading your original statement correctly, and that
we're talking about the same thing here, when you state "32-bit system" in
your original statement above, are you referring to the hardware, or are you
referring to replacing a 32 bit kernel on an existing 32 bit Linux
distribution installation with a 64 bit kernel?


Replacing a 32 bit kernel on an existing 32 bit Linux distribution 
installation with a 64 bit kernel.


See my above examples from "3/15/2010 4:11 PM" which demonstrates 
that I'm running a 64 bit kernel on a 32 bit distro.



If the former, you're smoking crack because it's physically not possible.


It's foolish to attribute crackitude when you have half the needed 
information.



If the latter, you're giving credit to the wrong folks, and backing your
statement with a non-applicable reason.  The vast majority of the credit for
running 32 bit user space programs on top a 64 bit kernel goes to the Linux
kernel developer community, not the x86-64 engineers.


Without the AMD engineers building the needed features into the CPU, 
the kernel programmers wouldn't have been able to take advantage of 
them.



  I think you're
attributing a bit of originality to these guys that doesn't apply.  A decade
before the x86-64 extensions were conceived and implemented, Alpha, MIPS,
SPARC, and PowerPC engineers did essentially the same thing.  In fact, many
Alpha engineers, including AMD's current CEO Dirk Meyer, went to work for
AMD after Compaq bought DEC and killed the Alpha off.


I've been working on DEC/Compaq/HP kit for 20+ years.  Nothing you 
just wrote is new to me.



   Ideas that went into
the 64 bit Alpha implementation were incorporated into x64-64.  The concept
wasn't new.  The "forethought" occurred a decade earlier when Meyer et al
designed the 21064, which, coincidentally, had to run the 32 bit VAX
instruction set in emulation.


Under OpenVMS it was called VEST, and under NT/Alpha it was FX!32.


  All of that experience played a big role in
designing x86-64.



You're confusing "forethought" with "ingenuity".

While 32-on-64 wasn't original to AMD (after all, OpenVMS still 
isn't *fully* 64-bit even after 16 years on the Alpha!), it was 
still forethought on the part of the AMD engineers to see that PC 
users would need/want a smooth path from 32 bits to 64 bits.


Or maybe Intel was just gobbsmackingly stupid for thinking that 
everyone would just dump all their perfectly functioning h/w and s/w 
to buy Itanium kit and AMD management was rational.


Yeah, that's probably it.

Besides, the Intel guys didn't think it was possible to extend ia32 
to 64 bits, but the AMD geeks had the ingenuity to figure out how.


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Re: instalation issue

[Stan Hoeppner]

Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 5:07 PM:
> On 2010-03-15 16:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
>> Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 4:11 PM:
>>
>>> Because of the way that AMD designed the specification, it's possible to
>>> install a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system.
>>
>> You wanna take another stab at that statement Ron?
> 
> Nope.
> 
> $ uname -m
> x86_64
> 
> $ file /bin/bash
> /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
> dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18,
> stripped
> 
> $ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.33-2-amd64 | grep ^Architecture
> Architecture: i386
> 
> 
>> Methinks you were suffering momentary thought dyslexia. ;)
>>
> 
> Nope.  The AMD engineers who designed that architecture had true
> forethought.

Yes, they did, to an extent, but it wasn't akin to leaping tall buildings in
a single bound.  If I'm reading your original statement correctly, I don't
think you really understand what that forethought was.

Just to make sure I'm reading your original statement correctly, and that
we're talking about the same thing here, when you state "32-bit system" in
your original statement above, are you referring to the hardware, or are you
referring to replacing a 32 bit kernel on an existing 32 bit Linux
distribution installation with a 64 bit kernel?

If the former, you're smoking crack because it's physically not possible.
If the latter, you're giving credit to the wrong folks, and backing your
statement with a non-applicable reason.  The vast majority of the credit for
running 32 bit user space programs on top a 64 bit kernel goes to the Linux
kernel developer community, not the x86-64 engineers.  I think you're
attributing a bit of originality to these guys that doesn't apply.  A decade
before the x86-64 extensions were conceived and implemented, Alpha, MIPS,
SPARC, and PowerPC engineers did essentially the same thing.  In fact, many
Alpha engineers, including AMD's current CEO Dirk Meyer, went to work for
AMD after Compaq bought DEC and killed the Alpha off.  Ideas that went into
the 64 bit Alpha implementation were incorporated into x64-64.  The concept
wasn't new.  The "forethought" occurred a decade earlier when Meyer et al
designed the 21064, which, coincidentally, had to run the 32 bit VAX
instruction set in emulation.  All of that experience played a big role in
designing x86-64.

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-15 16:47, Stan Hoeppner wrote:

Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 4:11 PM:


Because of the way that AMD designed the specification, it's possible to
install a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system.


You wanna take another stab at that statement Ron?


Nope.

$ uname -m
x86_64

$ file /bin/bash
/bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV),
dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18,
stripped

$ apt-cache show linux-image-2.6.33-2-amd64 | grep ^Architecture
Architecture: i386



Methinks you were suffering momentary thought dyslexia. ;)



Nope.  The AMD engineers who designed that architecture had true 
forethought.


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Re: instalation issue

[Stan Hoeppner]

Ron Johnson put forth on 3/15/2010 4:11 PM:

> Because of the way that AMD designed the specification, it's possible to
> install a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system.

You wanna take another stab at that statement Ron?

Methinks you were suffering momentary thought dyslexia. ;)

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-15 10:14, Camaleón wrote:
[snip]


Today there are a few (none?) issues at all. Although there are still  
some counted applications that require a 32 bits OS to work.




Counted?

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-15 09:44, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:

I am not an expert on this; but if it's a 64-bit processor, you probably
want amd64 unless it's an Itanium, in which case you want ia64.  Look
through the literature to see if your processor has EM64T support.  If it
does, you want amd64.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ for more information.
i386 will probably also work, but if you have more than 4G of RAM you will not
be able to exploit it to maximum effect unless you are running a 64-bit port.



I am currently running i386 with 8gb of RAM using the -bigmem kernel.
As I understand, each process becomes limited by 3GB or so of RAM. I
can't really comprehend why any *desktop* user would need/want 64bit
at this time. Although, 64bit doesn't have the java and flash issues
it had not long ago, I would not be surprised if there is still some
hassle involved.

jor...@pc-tesla ~ $ uname -r
2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
jor...@pc-tesla ~ $ free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  8118   6335   1783  0386   3534
-/+ buffers/cache:   2415   5703
Swap: 4102  0   4101




Because of the way that AMD designed the specification, it's 
possible to install a 64-bit kernel onto a 32-bit system.


That way, you have more efficient use of your RAM.  Besides, it's 
cool, especially to hack a combo of the 32- and 64-bit nvidia 
drivers and have it work perfectly!


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Re: instalation issue

[Camaleón]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:44:54 -0400, Jordan Metzmeier wrote:

> I am currently running i386 with 8gb of RAM using the -bigmem kernel. As
> I understand, each process becomes limited by 3GB or so of RAM. 

With a PAE enabled kernel, you (applications) can bypass that limit by 
using memory mapping (mmap) so there could some apps that will benefit 
for accessing over that 3 GiB on a per process basis.

> I can't really comprehend why any *desktop* user would need/want 64bit 
> at this time. 

As long as physical memory increases (beyond >8 GiB), there are 
performance penalties while using a 32 bits PAE kernel. It's said is 
better to switch into a pure 64 bits OS.

> Although, 64bit doesn't have the java and flash issues it had not
> long ago, I would not be surprised if there is still some hassle
> involved.

Today there are a few (none?) issues at all. Although there are still  
some counted applications that require a 32 bits OS to work.

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Re: instalation issue

[Odd]

Stephen Powell wrote:

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT), Germana Oliveira wrote:

If i have an HP with an Intel Centrino, 64bit, should i dowload the
iso for amd64 or 32?? or amd64 is just for AMD ¿?


I am not an expert on this; but if it's a 64-bit processor, you
probably want amd64 unless it's an Itanium,


Centrino means it's definitely not Itanium. :)

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Re: instalation issue

[Jordan Metzmeier]

> I am not an expert on this; but if it's a 64-bit processor, you probably
> want amd64 unless it's an Itanium, in which case you want ia64.  Look
> through the literature to see if your processor has EM64T support.  If it
> does, you want amd64.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ for more information.
> i386 will probably also work, but if you have more than 4G of RAM you will not
> be able to exploit it to maximum effect unless you are running a 64-bit port.
>

I am currently running i386 with 8gb of RAM using the -bigmem kernel.
As I understand, each process becomes limited by 3GB or so of RAM. I
can't really comprehend why any *desktop* user would need/want 64bit
at this time. Although, 64bit doesn't have the java and flash issues
it had not long ago, I would not be surprised if there is still some
hassle involved.

jor...@pc-tesla ~ $ uname -r
2.6.26-2-686-bigmem
jor...@pc-tesla ~ $ free -m
 total   used   free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:  8118   6335   1783  0386   3534
-/+ buffers/cache:   2415   5703
Swap: 4102  0   4101


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Re: instalation issue

[Stephen Powell]

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:52:24 -0400 (EDT), Germana Oliveira wrote:
> If i have an HP with an Intel Centrino, 64bit, should i dowload the iso for
> amd64 or 32?? or amd64 is just for AMD ¿?

I am not an expert on this; but if it's a 64-bit processor, you probably
want amd64 unless it's an Itanium, in which case you want ia64.  Look
through the literature to see if your processor has EM64T support.  If it
does, you want amd64.  See http://www.debian.org/ports/ for more information.
i386 will probably also work, but if you have more than 4G of RAM you will not
be able to exploit it to maximum effect unless you are running a 64-bit port.

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Re: instalation issue

[Ron Johnson]

On 2010-03-15 07:52, Germana Oliveira wrote:
If i have an HP with an Intel Centrino, 64bit, should i dowload the iso 
for amd64 or 32?? or amd64 is just for AMD ¿?


amd64 encompasses all "PC-style" (like your Centrino) 64-bit chips, 
whether they are made by AMD or Intel.



Thanks!! (to answer this * question)



Depends on what you want to do with the system.  If it's a desktop 
with a couple of GB of RAM, the 32 bit ISO will suite your requirements.


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Re: instalation issue

[Jordan Metzmeier]

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Germana Oliveira
 wrote:
> If i have an HP with an Intel Centrino, 64bit, should i dowload the iso for
> amd64 or 32?? or amd64 is just for AMD ¿?
>
> Thanks!! (to answer this * question)
>

Most of the time, if you have to ask, you want i386. 64bit Intel CPUs
can run amd64.


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[Germana Oliveira]

If i have an HP with an Intel Centrino, 64bit, should i dowload the iso for
amd64 or 32?? or amd64 is just for AMD ¿?

Thanks!! (to answer this * question)

Re: New debian user question about remote instalation

[Kushal Kumaran]

On 5/29/07, Jaime Ventura <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello.
I'm using fedora for a long time, but now I will use debian.
I wounder if there any feature like redhat's kickstart for debian.
Thanks.
Jaime



Appendix B of the debian installation manual talks about preseeding.
See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/index.html.en

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Re: New debian user question about remote instalation

[Johannes Wiedersich]

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Jaime Ventura wrote:
> Hello.
> I'm using fedora for a long time, but now I will use debian.
> I wounder if there any feature like redhat's kickstart for debian.

The first page on google for 'kickstart for debian' [1] returns about
four tools that would do that job for debian.

Johannes

[1] http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/kickstart.html

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[Jaime Ventura]

Hello.
I'm using fedora for a long time, but now I will use debian.
I wounder if there any feature like redhat's kickstart for debian.
Thanks.
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RE: Debian instalation

[Kevin Ross]

> -Original Message-
> From: Guillermo Garron [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 5:15 PM
> To: Debian-Users List
> Subject: Debian instalation
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have found some valuable info over the internet, and got some of it
> to build my own server.
> 
> I put all that info in this page, hope could be useful to somebody.
> 
> http://www.go2linux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=9
> 
> best regards,
> 
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> friends are."
> (Using FC6, CentOS4.4 and Ubuntu 6.06)
> http://feeds.feedburner.com/go2linux
> http://www.go2linux.org


My comments:

- During installation, it asks you for a single word hostname, and you put
a FQDN.
- You chose manual partitioning, but the partition scheme you created
could have been done through guided partitioning.
- You go through a lot of trouble to run Bind in a chroot jail.  However,
you don't explain why you do it, and you don't explain the steps you're
taking.  Since this is supposed to be a beginner's howto, beginners won't
learn anything if you don't explain.  Personally, I'd get rid of Bind
and run a leaner, more secure DNS server, like PowerDNS.
- Since you're installing dovecot, there's no need to install saslauthd.
Dovecot has its own SASL authentication daemon.
- Since you're creating SSL certs, you shouldn't allow plaintext auth.
You should require TLS/SSL for plaintext auth.
- Under Spamassassin configuration, you created a user called spamfilter,
But in the postfix configuration, you're starting the spamchk script as
user filter.  Most like a typo.

Also, overall, there's very little in the way of helpful explanation
for someone new to Debian, which the document is supposed to be addressing.

-- Kevin

Debian instalation

[Guillermo Garron]

Hi,

I have found some valuable info over the internet, and got some of it
to build my own server.

I put all that info in this page, hope could be useful to somebody.

http://www.go2linux.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=9

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Instalation Hangs to Loading module sd_mod for scsi disk support

[Bietu]

Hi

Iam trying to install Debian 3.1r3 to my computer.
And it freeze at very beging in the first slider goes
to 92% and then it stops to this: 

Loading module sd_mod for scsi disk support

I think that this is very bad cos it seems that it
doesent like my sata raid. 

For me it would be okey cos i wanted to instal it into
my ide hd. But cant do that cos it hangs before i get
change to choose where to install it.


Specs:

CPU: Athlon XP 3000+
Mobo Chipset: nforce 2 ultra
2x512mb 400mhz memory
Geforce 7800GS
Audigy player

Silicon image Sata Raid controller 3512
2x 200Gb Seagate hd's in sata raid Windows 2000 pro
installed.

Samsung SP0411 ide hd Ubuntu 6.06 installed.

LG GSA-H20L <- Lightscribe DVD/RW
LG GDR-8163B <- DVD





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basic instalation system hang-up

[Emil-Valentin Toma]

> 
> I've tried many times to install different flavor of
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> bases. Only after repeated trials those system were
> installed. Particullary, I have problem installing
> sarge 3.01r2, if I'm not wrong. At 61% the disc
> freezes. May I avoid this problem? As a detail for
> much information. I've installed Puppy with no
> problem but in the time of function, also the
> harddisc freezes and I have to reset the system.
> 
> 
>

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Re: cannot start instalation of debian 31r1

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On Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:58:22 +0200 (GMT+02:00)
Dj MD __ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Good day
> 
> I have some interesting problem, when i try to install debian 31r1 to my 
> laptop.
> Manufacturer is HP Compaq type Presario 2100. I was trying to install from 
> debian cd. Internal cd-rom is out of order, so i'm using external one via 
> usb. I get the boot screen, but when i reach the stage where i need to choose 
> language, the keyboard isn't responding. If i chose the boot parameter "linux 
> debian-installer/probe/usb=false" is goes ok, keyboard is working, but then i 
> cannot mount cd, obviously i've chosen to not probe for usb.
> Any ideas how to solve that?

what if you switch over to a console at this point and modprobe the usb stuff?

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[Dj MD __]

Good day

I have some interesting problem, when i try to install debian 31r1 to my laptop.
Manufacturer is HP Compaq type Presario 2100. I was trying to install from 
debian cd. Internal cd-rom is out of order, so i'm using external one via usb. 
I get the boot screen, but when i reach the stage where i need to choose 
language, the keyboard isn't responding. If i chose the boot parameter "linux 
debian-installer/probe/usb=false" is goes ok, keyboard is working, but then i 
cannot mount cd, obviously i've chosen to not probe for usb.
Any ideas how to solve that?
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Re: kernel 2.6.14 instalation

[Wodzu Wodzowski]

Dnia 21-11-2005 o godz. 13:13 marvilleke napisał(a):
> Hi Wodzu, 
> 
> This is actually quite simple. The context of your
> errormessage is that it can not mount your root file
> system.

Hmmm, I can read :> But I don't know why it can not mount root file system?? 
hda5 is proper root partition. I don't understand why it is doin' mounting on 
(0,0) [unknown-block(0,0)]. Can You explain it to me?


> Please do read:
> /usr/share/.../kernel-package/Howto-2.6??gz
> In general I don't know the exact location of the
> files/doc's anymore. But do a search with: find /
> -name '*kernel*'-print |grep package
> 
> And check:
> http://kerneltrap.org/node/799
> http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
> http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=2.6+kernel+compiling+debian&meta=
> 
> have fun, 
> 
> 
> marvilleke
> 
> 
> --- Wodzu Wodzowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hy.
> > I tried to compile and install a kernel, and I made
> > kernel package (2.6.14.191105_i386.deb)> Everything
> > seemed to be ok, so I used 'dpkg -i
> > kernel-image... and got a message that
> > everything is ok. But when I rebooted the system I
> > received 'kernel panic': 
> > 
> > "VFS: Cannot open root device >>hda5<< or
> > uknown-block(0,0)
> > Please append a correct >>root=<< boot option
> > Kernel panic- not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root
> > fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
> > 
> > Grub list file looks like that:
> > 
> > Kernel 
> > root(0,4)
> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
> > 
> > 
> > Can You tell me what's wrong, please??
> > 
> > 
> > Zostań Zdobywcą niezapomnianych wrażeń i
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Re: kernel 2.6.14 instalation

[loos]

Em Seg, 2005-11-21 às 04:23 +0100, Wodzu Wodzowski escreveu:
> Hy.
> I tried to compile and install a kernel, and I made kernel package 
> (2.6.14.191105_i386.deb)> Everything seemed to be ok, so I used 'dpkg -i 
> kernel-image... and got a message that everything is ok. But when I 
> rebooted the system I received 'kernel panic': 
> 
> "VFS: Cannot open root device >>hda5<< or uknown-block(0,0)
> Please append a correct >>root=<< boot option
> Kernel panic- not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
> 
> Grub list file looks like that:
> 
> Kernel 
> root(0,4)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
> 
> 
> Can You tell me what's wrong, please??
> 

Using standard debian .config, you need 
make-kpkg --initrd
Without initrd it just doesn' t work.

Michel.

Re: kernel 2.6.14 instalation

[marvilleke]

Hi Wodzu, 

This is actually quite simple. The context of your
errormessage is that it can not mount your root file
system.
Please do read:
/usr/share/.../kernel-package/Howto-2.6??gz
In general I don't know the exact location of the
files/doc's anymore. But do a search with: find /
-name '*kernel*'-print |grep package

And check:
http://kerneltrap.org/node/799
http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&q=2.6+kernel+compiling+debian&meta=

have fun, 


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> Hy.
> I tried to compile and install a kernel, and I made
> kernel package (2.6.14.191105_i386.deb)> Everything
> seemed to be ok, so I used 'dpkg -i
> kernel-image... and got a message that
> everything is ok. But when I rebooted the system I
> received 'kernel panic': 
> 
> "VFS: Cannot open root device >>hda5<< or
> uknown-block(0,0)
> Please append a correct >>root=<< boot option
> Kernel panic- not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root
> fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
> 
> Grub list file looks like that:
> 
> Kernel 
> root(0,4)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
> 
> 
> Can You tell me what's wrong, please??
> 
> 
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Re: kernel 2.6.14 instalation

[Daniel Nilsson]

On Mon, Nov 21, 2005 at 04:23:00AM +0100, Wodzu Wodzowski wrote:
> Hy.
> I tried to compile and install a kernel, and I made kernel package
> (2.6.14.191105_i386.deb)> Everything seemed to be ok, so I used
> 'dpkg -i kernel-image... and got a message that everything is
> ok. But when I rebooted the system I received 'kernel panic':
> 
> "VFS: Cannot open root device >>hda5<< or uknown-block(0,0)
> Please append a correct >>root=<< boot option
> Kernel panic- not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
> 
> Grub list file looks like that:
> 
> Kernel 
> root(0,4)
> kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro
> 
> 
> Can You tell me what's wrong, please??
> 

This has actually already been answered quite a few times... You might
want to look at this thread:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/11/msg02696.html

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kernel 2.6.14 instalation

[Wodzu Wodzowski]

Hy.
I tried to compile and install a kernel, and I made kernel package 
(2.6.14.191105_i386.deb)> Everything seemed to be ok, so I used 'dpkg -i 
kernel-image... and got a message that everything is ok. But when I 
rebooted the system I received 'kernel panic': 

"VFS: Cannot open root device >>hda5<< or uknown-block(0,0)
Please append a correct >>root=<< boot option
Kernel panic- not syncing:VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"

Grub list file looks like that:

Kernel 
root(0,4)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda5 ro


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Re: Minimal instalation

[Joseph Haig]

--- Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mitja Podreka wrote:
> 
> > hello
> >
> > I have few old computers in a library and I want to set them up so
> > that they will run Firefox for web browsing and nothing else.
> > I've done a basic Sarge (net)install and then x-window + window
> > manager + Firefox.
> > Is there any better way? Is there a way to get even smaller load on
> > the poor old computers?
> 
> 1. Thin client
> 
> or
> 
> 2. Take the window manager out of the picture, using just x-window +
> Firefox (but you might have issues). To try this, create a ~/.xinitrc
> and put "mozilla-firefox" in it as the only line, kill any ?dm login
> managers, and start X manually with "startx".

Searching on Google for 'firefox kiosk' I found this:

  

which suggests that you do need at least a window manager.  In this
article they use IceWM, but I don't see why twm should work if you want
it to be as minimal as possible.

Also, if you are not dead set on using Firefox, you could try this
instead:

 


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Re: Minimal instalation

[Kent West]

Mitja Podreka wrote:

> hello
>
> I have few old computers in a library and I want to set them up so
> that they will run Firefox for web browsing and nothing else.
> I've done a basic Sarge (net)install and then x-window + window
> manager + Firefox.
> Is there any better way? Is there a way to get even smaller load on
> the poor old computers?

1. Thin client

or

2. Take the window manager out of the picture, using just x-window +
Firefox (but you might have issues). To try this, create a ~/.xinitrc
and put "mozilla-firefox" in it as the only line, kill any ?dm login
managers, and start X manually with "startx".

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[Mitja Podreka]

hello

I have few old computers in a library and I want to set them up so that 
they will run Firefox for web browsing and nothing else.
I've done a basic Sarge (net)install and then x-window + window manager 
+ Firefox.
Is there any better way? Is there a way to get even smaller load on the 
poor old computers?


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Re: Problems with Instalation part deux

[Andrej Perdih]

Hello again,

does then anyone know if this NIC  Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> > Controlle is supporded for debian if this is the problem?

Ragards andrej


On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 at 02:35:12, Clive Menzies wrote:

> On (12/07/05 01:41), Andrej Perdih wrote:
> > Hello evry one again!
> > 
> > As one of the menbers kindly informed me I am sending you more information
> in a
> > seperate e-mail (thank you Clive for the reminder)
> > 
> > My NIC card:
> > 
> > Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> > Controlle
> > 
> > And perhaps my router:
> > 
> > Lynksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router eith 4-port switch
> > 
> > If someone has the knowledge to inform me about the know-how of seting my
> > networt, please send me the relevant detailed information. Namely I am
> unable to
> > set my DHCP network when I install Debian core and subsequently I am the
> unable
> > to download the rest of the OS via internet.
> 
> A quick search on the internet revealed this:
> 
> http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/post-187268.html
> 
> which suggests that the card may not be supported just yet ... however,
> I may be wrong.  If noone else can suggest how to install the module for
> this, you could put a supported card in the machine and source the
> correct driver at your leisure.
> 
> Realtek8139 is supported
> 3com 3c592/5
> 
> there are many others and a search on google for:
> debian sarge nic supported
> 
> should give some info.
> 
> Regards
> 
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Re: Problems with Instalation part deux

[Clive Menzies]

On (12/07/05 01:41), Andrej Perdih wrote:
> Hello evry one again!
> 
> As one of the menbers kindly informed me I am sending you more information in 
> a
> seperate e-mail (thank you Clive for the reminder)
> 
> My NIC card:
> 
> Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
> Controlle
> 
> And perhaps my router:
> 
> Lynksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router eith 4-port switch
> 
> If someone has the knowledge to inform me about the know-how of seting my
> networt, please send me the relevant detailed information. Namely I am unable 
> to
> set my DHCP network when I install Debian core and subsequently I am the 
> unable
> to download the rest of the OS via internet.

A quick search on the internet revealed this:

http://nixdoc.net/files/forum/post-187268.html

which suggests that the card may not be supported just yet ... however,
I may be wrong.  If noone else can suggest how to install the module for
this, you could put a supported card in the machine and source the
correct driver at your leisure.

Realtek8139 is supported
3com 3c592/5

there are many others and a search on google for:
debian sarge nic supported

should give some info.

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Problems with Instalation part deux

[Andrej Perdih]

Hello evry one again!

As one of the menbers kindly informed me I am sending you more information in a
seperate e-mail (thank you Clive for the reminder)

My NIC card:

Marvell Yukon 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet
Controlle

And perhaps my router:

Lynksys EtherFast Cable/DSL Router eith 4-port switch

If someone has the knowledge to inform me about the know-how of seting my
networt, please send me the relevant detailed information. Namely I am unable to
set my DHCP network when I install Debian core and subsequently I am the unable
to download the rest of the OS via internet.

Realy than you for everything again. Hope to hear for you soon

Rgards,

Andrej




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Re: Debian woody instalation problem

[Marty]

Software Development Group wrote:
I have installed DEBIAN woody on a new machine plus most of the software I 
could think of. When booting I can't get into X. When I manually do X I get 
normal messages (XF86Config-4 data) and then:


(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal error:
no screens found


Any ideas?




Check the X log file /var/log/XFree86.0.log.  9 times out of 10
the problem will be obvious.  Then reconfigure X accordingly, or
post the log file here if you get stuck.


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Re: Debian woody instalation problem

[Roberto C. Sanchez]

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 12:57:52PM -0400, Software Development Group wrote:
> I have installed DEBIAN woody on a new machine plus most of the software I 
> could think of. When booting I can't get into X. When I manually do X I get 
> normal messages (XF86Config-4 data) and then:
> 
> (EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
> 
> Fatal error:
> no screens found
> 
> 
> Any ideas?

Install Sarge instead of Woody.  Sarge will officially be released in a
week or two.  The new installer has significantly better hardware
detection and a much better interface.

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Debian woody instalation problem

[Software Development Group]

I have installed DEBIAN woody on a new machine plus most of the software I 
could think of. When booting I can't get into X. When I manually do X I get 
normal messages (XF86Config-4 data) and then:


(EE) VESA(0): No matching modes
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration

Fatal error:
no screens found


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Re: instalation problem

[linux]

Sergio Basurto wrote:
On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), lado samushia
wrote:
 

Hi gays,
I'm gonna migrate to Linux and would like to install
Debian on my comp. I have already downloaded iso
images and burnt them on CDs; problem is that when I
insert the CD and restart it doesn't boot Debian (in
setup menu primary boot device is CD-ROM and when I
insert Windows XP installation disk it does).
could you help me, please, to figure out whats the
problem and how to fix it.
Sincerely,
Lado.
   

Did you try the cd's on other computer just for assure
that the images were burned correctly. 

 

What software and what OS did you use to burn it?
It did happend to me before.
Try to look for an oftion to create ISO image when burning. I think that 
is what I messed up once when I burned the CD on NERO. Or iin some 
software it is an option track at once or something like that, but try 
to look for the ISO option first. It should burn an bootable ISO image. 
That was the problem I encountered when I did not burn in on Linux.

Also if the cdrom is not recognized you will need to
make a floppy disk in order to boot.
The instructions are at:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies
"5.3 Booting from Floppies"
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Re: instalation problem

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

lado samushia (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I'm gonna migrate to Linux and would like to install
> Debian on my comp. I have already downloaded iso
> images and burnt them on CDs; problem is that when I
> insert the CD and restart it doesn't boot Debian (in
> setup menu primary boot device is CD-ROM and when I
> insert Windows XP installation disk it does).
> 
> could you help me, please, to figure out whats the
> problem and how to fix it.

The most common reason for this problem is that you burned the CD the
wrong way. You need to create a CD from the image, not create a file
system on the CD and write the image to it. Check the contents of the
CD. If there is only the image file on the disc, you did it the wrong
way.

best regards
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Re: instalation problem

[Sergio Basurto]

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:28:51 -0700 (PDT), lado samushia
wrote:

> 
> Hi gays,
> 
> I'm gonna migrate to Linux and would like to install
> Debian on my comp. I have already downloaded iso
> images and burnt them on CDs; problem is that when I
> insert the CD and restart it doesn't boot Debian (in
> setup menu primary boot device is CD-ROM and when I
> insert Windows XP installation disk it does).
> 
> could you help me, please, to figure out whats the
> problem and how to fix it.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Lado.
> 

Did you try the cd's on other computer just for assure
that the images were burned correctly. 

Also if the cdrom is not recognized you will need to
make a floppy disk in order to boot.

The instructions are at:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch-rescue-boot.en.html#s-boot-from-floppies
"5.3 Booting from Floppies"


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[lado samushia]

Hi gays,

I'm gonna migrate to Linux and would like to install
Debian on my comp. I have already downloaded iso
images and burnt them on CDs; problem is that when I
insert the CD and restart it doesn't boot Debian (in
setup menu primary boot device is CD-ROM and when I
insert Windows XP installation disk it does).

could you help me, please, to figure out whats the
problem and how to fix it.

Sincerely,
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Re: webmin instalation problem on sarge

[vadik]

xxx:/etc/logrotate.d# ls /etc/webmin
e5d488f2.0  miniserv.pem  miniserv.users
-
Any recommendation of what can be wrong?  My understanding that this
error has something to do with openssh.
   

It doesn't seem that anything is wrong.  As part of the post-installation
script, webmin looks to see if you already have a miniserv ssl certificate
and creates it if you don't.
If you want to be absolutely sure the package is properly installed, do
dpkg -l webmin
If the first two letters on the line are ii, you are ok.
 

I don't know what was going on, but after I purged it (not only removed) 
and then reinstalled, it started to work.

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Re: webmin instalation problem on sarge

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Vadik wrote:

> I am running /sarge and I am trying to install webmin 1.150-1, but
> installation breaks.  Here is output:
>
> -
> xxx:/etc/logrotate.d# apt-get install webmin
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Recommended packages:
>   webmin-core
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   webmin
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 0B/1036kB of archives.
> After unpacking 5702kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Preconfiguring packages ...
> Selecting previously deselected package webmin.
> (Reading database ... 28879 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking webmin (from .../webmin_1.150-1_all.deb) ...
> Setting up webmin (1.150-1) ...
> miniserv.pem: No such file or directory
>
> xxx:/etc/logrotate.d# ls /etc/webmin
> e5d488f2.0  miniserv.pem  miniserv.users
> -
>
> Any recommendation of what can be wrong?  My understanding that this
> error has something to do with openssh.
>

It doesn't seem that anything is wrong.  As part of the post-installation
script, webmin looks to see if you already have a miniserv ssl certificate
and creates it if you don't.

If you want to be absolutely sure the package is properly installed, do
dpkg -l webmin

If the first two letters on the line are ii, you are ok.

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[Vadik]

I am running /sarge and I am trying to install webmin 1.150-1, but 
installation breaks.  Here is output:

-
xxx:/etc/logrotate.d# apt-get install webmin
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Recommended packages:
 webmin-core
The following NEW packages will be installed:
 webmin
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/1036kB of archives.
After unpacking 5702kB of additional disk space will be used.
Preconfiguring packages ...
Selecting previously deselected package webmin.
(Reading database ... 28879 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking webmin (from .../webmin_1.150-1_all.deb) ...
Setting up webmin (1.150-1) ...
miniserv.pem: No such file or directory
xxx:/etc/logrotate.d# ls /etc/webmin
e5d488f2.0  miniserv.pem  miniserv.users
-
Any recommendation of what can be wrong?  My understanding that this 
error has something to do with openssh.

Thanks,
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Re: Debian instalation

[Mariano Kamp]

On Saturday 06 December 2003 13:18, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote:
> There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so
> experimented to keep track of the files by myself.
>
> I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with
> XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader.
Hi,

  welcome to Debian. A great choice ;-)

  The 128KBits line is a burden, but that should only be a problem if you are 
tracking unstable/sid. From yesterday to today I got 140 MB download (that is 
one day), but this won't happen if you go for testing/sarge. Between two 
releases of a package is a minimum gap of 10 days (afaik). 

  What kind of system are you setting up? A webserver you want to put on the 
net and never want to spare a second thought on it? Woody is probably good 
for you here. 
If you want more current software and are willing to take a little risk go for 
testing/sarge. Go to /etc/apt/sources.list and replace all "stable" with 
"sarge". Enter "apt-get update" to update your package database and "apt-get 
dist-upgrade" for upgrading the whole installation. This will also add new 
packages which you haven't had before, but are now available in the "stock" 
sarge distro. You likely will have to download more than 100 MB. The good 
thing is that you can interrupt the download process at any time and resume 
just there when doing an dist-upgrade again.

Only problem with sarge is, that for some package with loads of dependencies 
it takes a long time to trach it. KDE 3.1 has taken ages.

Cheers,
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Re: Debian instalation

[Mariano Kamp]

On Sunday 07 December 2003 02:46, king kong wrote:
[ .. ]
> Oh, and don't get me go into the installer. It just
> plain
> sucks (Yeah, shoot me, I said it!). For god sake, we
> are almost passed half of the first decaded of the 21
> century, and we still can't have a good installer that
> recognizes the hardware properly. For my server, I
> didn't dare to buy any new hardware, only those that
> are at least 2 years old, and it still can't get it.
> E.g.
> DLink DFE-530TX, PT-Link cards, and some old
> ATI cards. I can pop Knoppix and Mepis in, and they
> just works fine. Same for RH, Mandrake and Suse.
> The package management is cool and fine, but if you
> can't get pass the installation, you can't use it.
Did you ever try the beta-1 of the new installer? Just curious ...
It worked very well for me and detected all the right stuff. Apart from having 
to use fdisk I believe almost everybody will be able to install Linux with 
it. 
And regarding the fdisk thing. I am not sure, but I believe to remember that 
there might have been an option to let the installer do the partitioning.

[..]
> Actually, we are evaluating
> the
> distros for a client with a 50-server installation in
> a
> data center. They gave the hardware specs, and I'm
> really concerned about the debian installation
> process.
That's very interesting. Especially for installing 50 systems with a common 
set of software it is debian coming to my mind, not any other distribution.

Cheers,
Mariani


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Re: Debian instalation

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king kong wrote:

Someone please make a good installer (something is
going on here, but not ready yet), and start some
kind of donation campaign, a la Mandrake Club or
something. I'll put my money where my mouth is.
 

I believe it's called Xandros or Libranet.

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Re: Debian instalation

[king kong]

Hehe, I know the feeling :) Started with Slackware,
went to RH, tried Suse, Mandrake and Gentoo (later)
sometimes along the way, and have stayed with RH 
consistently since 5.2.

Kent gave an intro already to upgrade your system,
you just have to specify in the apt source list which
one you want. I haven't played with mixed installation
(stable + testing + sid) yet. 

I don't like old desktops, so I upgrade my computers 
to sid. After using it for a month on my laptop and 
on two  test servers (no GUI though), it seems
good enough so I put them in real production use. 
Ok, small office, with a few servers and
firewall/gateway
only.

If you are new to debian but know linux well, don't 
bother with the debian directly. Get Knoppix or
Mepis installed on your machine first, and upgrade
later. Will save you tons of time and frustration.

I think your connection (128K) should be good enough
to do the upgrade, if you can find a mirror that can
give consistent download.

The only thing I don't like is, even with sid, a lot
of 
the packages are still old compared to other distros
(Mandrake always has the most recent).  And a few
of them just don't work (e.g. mrproject,
fwbuilder,...).
I'll maintain some nightly/weekly build when I learn
how to do my own deb packaging.

And i18n/l10n is not as good either. I still can't get
it to display Chinese in my gnome-terminal despite 
that I have made all the necessary config/fonts and
installed
and loaded the right nls packages of the filesystem.
Applications can display/input Chinese just fine, the
filesystem can't. RH and Mandrake just have the best
support on this.

Oh, and don't get me go into the installer. It just
plain 
sucks (Yeah, shoot me, I said it!). For god sake, we 
are almost passed half of the first decaded of the 21
century, and we still can't have a good installer that
recognizes the hardware properly. For my server, I 
didn't dare to buy any new hardware, only those that
are at least 2 years old, and it still can't get it.
E.g. 
DLink DFE-530TX, PT-Link cards, and some old
ATI cards. I can pop Knoppix and Mepis in, and they
just works fine. Same for RH, Mandrake and Suse.
The package management is cool and fine, but if you
can't get pass the installation, you can't use it. 

All my installations start with Knoppix, and then back
to
the debian upgrade.

But Knoppix and Mepis have very primitive installer,
you 
can't really specify your way of partitioning the
disk.
You have to partition your disk, format your
filesystem,
after installing knoppix, copy the files/directories
to 
the partition you want, and make changes to your
fstab, etc And Knoppix/Mepis only come with KDE
and I prefer Gnome, while gnoppix is not ready yet,
have to do about 300MB of install from apt-get to get
my desktop to the way I like it (almost...) after
spending
all these times downloading the Knoppix/Mepis and
debian ISO already :(

Someone please make a good installer (something is
going on here, but not ready yet), and start some
kind of donation campaign, a la Mandrake Club or
something. I'll put my money where my mouth is.
I currently already have 3 machines running debian
in production, and I'll pay for a good installer for
my future installation. Actually, we are evaluating
the
distros for a client with a 50-server installation in
a
data center. They gave the hardware specs, and I'm
really concerned about the debian installation 
process.

I have always paid for my RH and Mandrake, retail
box version though, to encourage them to make 
good desktop and encourage the stores to carry them.

Sorry, long rant. I like the package mgmt though, on
the condition that you can get it up and running
first.

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Re: Debian instalation

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> I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. 
> After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and 
> most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the 
> newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the 
> risk to use them.

http://www.apt-get.org/  Check for backports.

> Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some 
> upgrades.

Woody == Stable.

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Re: Debian instalation

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On 6. December 2003 at 2:18PM +0200,
"Mihai P. B. Stiucan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more
> available as a free distribution. So i want to switch to
> Debian. I found some help on the www.debian.org web site, but I
> still need some advices.

I'm a Debian User myself ;-), but since you're already a Red Hat
user you might want to consider the Fedora distribution:
http://fedora.redhat.com/.  Debian after all does some things
differently.


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Re: Debian instalation

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On Sat, 06 Dec 2003 14:18:22 +0200, Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a 
> free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help on 
> the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices.
> 
> I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For sure 
> I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. 
> After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and 
> most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the 
> newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the 
> risk to use them.
> 
> Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some 
> upgrades.
> 
> In fact I need some advices for install debian but with new packages. I 
> don't have a big bandwidth internet access, just 128kb/sec, and I have 
> only the woody CDs. What should i do? Just install woody and then 
> upgrade using apt-get? How will this apt-get handle the Xfree86 or KDE 
> upgrade? There are numerous files to upgrade, is it possible to keep 
> track of all of them?
> 
> There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so 
> experimented to keep track of the files by myself.
> 
> I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with 
> XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader.
> 
> I need some advices, really.
> 
> Thanks for your time.

I agree with Kent.  I have used Debian and Red Hat and now I much prefer
Debian as the package management IMHO is much better.  I've used stable,
testing, and unstable and I concur that unstable is actually very stable
for a desktop.  I'm using it to send this message with PAN.  Give "Sid" a
try and I think you'll like it.  If you need some instructions to set up
Grub try this link:

http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-grub.html



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Re: Debian instalation

[Kent West]

Mihai P. B. Stiucan wrote:

Hello,

I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as 
a free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help 
on the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices.

I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For 
sure I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed 
it. After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, 
KDE, and most of the packages. I really need some new one, not 
necesarly the newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I 
will assume the risk to use them.

For the most part, testing and unstable are quite usable on a desktop 
workstation that doesn't need 24x7 reliability. I run sid (unstable) on 
all my workstations (stable (woody) on my servers), and every few 
upgrades (I usually upgrade about twice a week on my main workstations 
to get the newest toys) see some sort of glitch, ranging from some one 
or three packages that gets broken (usually something I can live without 
for a few days until it gets fixed) to a more serious problem such as 
the pam problem a couple of years ago which prevented any new logins. 
I've found sid to be easier to live with than testing, because whereas 
testing is more stable, when a bug does show up in testing it usually 
takes longer for the fix to show up, because it's, um, more stable than 
the constantly fluxing unstable (sid).

Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some 
upgrades.

In fact I need some advices for install debian but with new packages. 
I don't have a big bandwidth internet access, just 128kb/sec, and I 
have only the woody CDs. What should i do? Just install woody and then 
upgrade using apt-get? How will this apt-get handle the Xfree86 or KDE 
upgrade? There are numerous files to upgrade, is it possible to keep 
track of all of them?

128kb/sec will be slow, but I've done upgrades over a 33.3kb modem on 
two or three occassions. It works, but slowly. The problem with the slow 
speed is that the packages change in sid faster than you can download 
them sometimes.

Still, I think the easiest route for you would be to point you 
/etc/apt/sources.list at a Debian mirror's testing or unstable 
repositories, then run
   apt-get update
   apt-get upgrade
and sit back and let the magic work.

You might run into a few glitches, since you're going from a "supported" 
version to an "unsupported" version that's still in flux and is not 
guaranteed to upgrade smoothly, but I don't think you'll run into any 
great problems.

There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so 
experimented to keep track of the files by myself.

I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with 
XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader.

After the above-mentioned update/upgrade, you'll still have lilo instead 
of grub. So you'll then need to run "apt-get install grub", and then 
configure grub. I've done it a time or two, but my brain just hasn't 
quite wrapped itself around grub's configuration yet, so I can't help on 
that score.

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Debian instalation

[Mihai P. B. Stiucan]

Hello,

I am an RedHat user and now I saw that RedHat is no more available as a 
free distribution. So i want to switch to Debian. I found some help on 
the www.debian.org web site, but I still need some advices.

I saw there that they are 3 stages: stable, testing, unstable. For sure 
I choosed stable on my first pick,, got the images and installed it. 
After that, I noticed that all the utilities are old: XFree86, KDE, and 
most of the packages. I really need some new one, not necesarly the 
newest. Ok, ok, i know the new one are on testing, but I will assume the 
risk to use them.

Somebody told me to install woody and then to use apt-get to do some 
upgrades.

In fact I need some advices for install debian but with new packages. I 
don't have a big bandwidth internet access, just 128kb/sec, and I have 
only the woody CDs. What should i do? Just install woody and then 
upgrade using apt-get? How will this apt-get handle the Xfree86 or KDE 
upgrade? There are numerous files to upgrade, is it possible to keep 
track of all of them?

There would be an ideea to install it from scratch , but I'm not so 
experimented to keep track of the files by myself.

I will be very happy if I will succed to do a debian based system with 
XFree86 4.0.1 at least, and KDE 3.1 using Grub boot loader.

I need some advices, really.

Thanks for your time.

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Re: Problem with instalation Debian on Be6 II

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MarekL declaimed:
> I want to install debian. When I try to install it, I have a message, 
> that there is no hard disk. Help me what to do. Please I m new user of 
> debian so send me very understable explanation.Pozdro
This list will give you the best help if you give us the exact text of
the error. It would also be helpful to know generally what your system
is like (what CPU? what hard drive?)

HTH, PM
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[MarekL]

I want to install debian. When I try to install it, I have a message, 
that there is no hard disk. Help me what to do. Please I m new user of 
debian so send me very understable explanation.Pozdro



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Bad traduction for catalan in the Debian CD 3.0 r1 instalation.

[xxxyyyzzz85]

I'm a new user of the Debian. Recently, I installed Woody 3.0 r1 in the
i386-non-US binary version.

I installed it in catalan language. I detect a bad expression: at the
beggining of one dialog, it appears "Teniu que [...]" rather than "Heu
de [...]". This is an incorrect expression. It's a calcation (copy) of
the spanish expression "Tenéis que" and it's incorrect.

Apart of this, I detect some non-standard traduction. For example, the
use of "açò" is local or if we use in standard registry, then it's
anachronic. But, strictly, it's correct. It's only a suggestion.

I don't know who traducts the Debian to catalan. If I know it, I would
send this mail to that person/s. I don't know how can I do with this
translation error.

I posted it in Usenet:
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&threadm=4ab4b039.0303182358.63fbc646%40posting.google.com&rnum=4&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dxxxyyyzzz85%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26scoring%3Dd
but no one heard me!

I send this mail to you for you doing the right thing.


Best regards,
An interested user.


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Re: mini instalation

[Brad Eisan]

Ivan,

That's great. I'm glad I could help! Let me know if you need anything 
else ;)

Good luck,
Brad
Ivan Kolenko wrote:
Thanks a lot Brad.
You helped me a LOT!
I did it :)
Now I'm starting to read man's pages
 SY Ivan



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Re: mini instalation

[Brad Eisan]

Narins, Josh wrote:
Q. Can I install compact Debian i386 only with rescue.bin root.bin and
driver-1.bin?
Or base-#.bin are needed?
Thank you
Ivan Kolenko


Ivan,

Don't worry about those other posts. Those two disks are sufficient
if your network card is recognized. If not, you will need the driver disks.
If your network card is _still_ not recognized, you'll need the base disks.
I hope you can get a Debian Binary #1 CD, it is way easier, and
contains all the disks, anyway :)
My favorite way is certainly by CD. Even writing good rescue.bin and
root.bin disks can often be tiring, since the first 3 or 4 times I try it
doesn't work.
hth,
-Josh
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Ivan,

Sorry I was not clearer.  When I said: "the setup program will pull all 
the required base system files down from a debian mirror. If you do not 
have a network connection you *wilI* need the base system disk images to 
install a basic system.". I meant to add that it can also pull down any 
drivers/modules - therefore if you have a net connection, you only need 
the two disks!! And when I said: "you can get away with using just 1 
driver disk depending on your circumstances" I should have added that 
the circumstance is when you need drivers for your NIC :)
Besides the base system and drivers/modules you can use tasksel or 
dselect to install other optional packages also via the net install. 
Having said all this, I agree completely with Josh about the CD install. 
If you grab the 1st CD and boot it, the installation will allow you to 
install a base system and any drivers right from the CD (while still 
catoring to those that wish to do a net install via http or ftp). It 
sure beats making unreliable floppies!

Sorry about the mistakes!

Brad..

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RE: mini instalation

[Narins, Josh]

> 
> Q. Can I install compact Debian i386 only with rescue.bin root.bin and
> driver-1.bin?
> Or base-#.bin are needed?
> Thank you
> Ivan Kolenko
> 

Ivan,

Don't worry about those other posts. Those two disks are sufficient
if your network card is recognized. If not, you will need the driver disks.
If your network card is _still_ not recognized, you'll need the base disks.

I hope you can get a Debian Binary #1 CD, it is way easier, and
contains all the disks, anyway :)

My favorite way is certainly by CD. Even writing good rescue.bin and
root.bin disks can often be tiring, since the first 3 or 4 times I try it
doesn't work.

hth,
-Josh

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Re: mini instalation

[Brad Eisan]

Ivan,

The rescue.bin and root.bin only provide a bootable temporary file 
system for the debian setup program, but contain no kernel 
drivers/modules or actual system files for a base installation of 
debian. For this reason you will require:

1) The driver disk(s); I would recommenced that you create driver disks 
1-4 if you are not sure what drivers you need exactly. But technically 
you can get away with using just 1 driver disk depending on your 
circumstances.

2) You may also need the base system disk images as well. They contain 
the programs needed for a completely basic debian OS. However, whether 
or not you need these depends on if you are going to be using a net 
connection to install a base system. If you have a working network 
connection with supported network hardware, you can select http/ftp 
during the installation and the setup program will pull all the required 
base system files down from a debian mirror. If you do not have a 
network connection you *will* need the base system disk images to 
install a basic system.

The debian installation is not as scary as it may seem. You will see 
once you begin, that it is fairly self-explanatory. Just remember that 
you *need* a 'base' system and 'drivers/modules' to have a working 
debian operating system.

Good luck!

Brad.

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Or base-#.bin are needed?
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Re: mini instalation

[Jeffrey L. Taylor]

Quoting Ivan Kolenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Q. Can I install compact Debian i386 only with rescue.bin root.bin and
> driver-1.bin?
> Or base-#.bin are needed?
>

If you have a supported NIC, just the floppies listed plus driver-2
thru driver-4.  You use these six floppies to install a minimal
system.  The rest is installed over the network.  If your NIC is not
supported or you are doing something odd like installing from dialup,
you will need the base floppies.  I did it.  It isn't two bad.  Two
physical floppies and just keep overwriting images.  Once you have the
base systems installed, the rest is done over an Internet connection.

HTH,
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mini instalation

[Ivan Kolenko]

Q. Can I install compact Debian i386 only with rescue.bin root.bin and
driver-1.bin?
Or base-#.bin are needed?
Thank you
Ivan Kolenko



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Re: Gnome2 Instalation

[Anton Winter]

On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 14:16, Rodrigo Sobrinho wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I am trying install gnome2
> 
> in /etc/apt/sources.list I add this line
> 
> deb http://people.debian.org/~kov/debian woody gnome2
> 
> (how this page http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html show me)
> 
> when I ran #apt-get install gnome2, this message is displayed, why? (I don't have 
>installed gnome 1.4 previosly)

The instructions on that site say to change your sources.list (as you
have already done) and to run: 

apt-get update
apt-get install gnome gdm2

Give that a go and see what happens.

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Gnome2 Instalation

[Rodrigo Sobrinho]

Hi

I am trying install gnome2

in /etc/apt/sources.list I add this line

deb http://people.debian.org/~kov/debian woody gnome2

(how this page http://people.debian.org/~walters/gnome2.html show me)

when I ran #apt-get install gnome2, this message is displayed, why? (I don't have 
installed gnome 1.4 previosly)

Package gnome2 has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents
of sources.list
E: Package gnome2 has no installation candidate


Sobrinho
Debian 3.01


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Problema en la instalación de debian 3.0 (Problem instalation debian 3.0)

[Tomás Lucas]

Buenos días, soy nuevo con debian, he estado
intentando instalar la versión 3.0 pero cuando intento
instalar los paquetes básicos me aparece el siguiente
mensaje:

/pool/main/n/nvi/nvi_1-79-20_i386.deb was corrupt

Lo he intentado desde CD y vía FTP y siempre es el
mismo error, se queda parado y no puedo continuar con
la instalación.
¿Alguien me puede ayudar?.

Gracias.

Good morning, I'm a new user with debian, I have been
attempted to set up the vesion 3.0 of debian, but in
the moment to set up the basic packet, I can look the
next message:

/pool/main/n/nvi/nvi_1-79-20_i386.deb was corrupt

I have attempted from CD and FTP but I have always the
same message, the instalation stop and I cann`t go on
whit the instalation.
Anybody can help me?.

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Re: Strange X behaviour after woody instalation (?!)

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Zbigniew Perski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi, Two weeks ago I decided to move from WinNT to Debian woody. I am
> new in Linux so I decided first to instal woody as a 2nd
> system. Installation was correct (bf2.4 on ext3) but problems starts
> when I tried to turn on X windows. After startx my screen showing me
> colored screen with skewed desktop stretched over center of the
> screen and whole picture is divided into thin diagonal strips.  I am
> running Hercules Thriller 3D (8MB RAM) and 17' OptiView 17L
> monitor. The XFree86 is configured to use rendition driver (the card
> is using this chipset) and 1024x768 at 75Hz (same as I working with
> NT).  If I am trying to change screen resolution or frequency the
> distortions remains the same. The same effect was when I tried with
> different monitor.  Does anyone have similar problem or knows how to
> solve it?

Hmm, sounds like your sync rates are faster than your monitor can
handle.  I recommend first trying to get X running at a low
resolution, to prove that it can work, then gradually work the
resolution up to the point where you want it, then gradually work the
refresh rate up until it's OK.

I can't remember the package to reconfigure off-hand, but the command
is something like:

dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86

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Strange X behaviour after woody instalation (?!)

[Zbigniew Perski]

Hi,
Two weeks ago I decided to move from WinNT to Debian woody. I am new in
Linux so
I decided first to instal woody as a 2nd system. Installation was
correct (bf2.4
on ext3) but problems starts when I tried to turn on X windows. After
startx my
screen showing me colored screen with skewed desktop stretched over
center of the
screen and whole picture is divided into thin diagonal strips.
I am running Hercules Thriller 3D (8MB RAM) and 17' OptiView 17L
monitor. The
XFree86 is configured to use rendition driver (the card is using this
chipset)
and 1024x768 at 75Hz (same as I working with NT).
If I am trying to change screen resolution or frequency the distortions
remains
the same. The same effect was when I tried with different monitor.
Does anyone have similar problem or knows how to solve it?

Regards

Zbigniew



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Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Carel Fellinger]

On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 06:25:14PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Sun, Apr 07, 2002, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
...
> > Not sure what you're at here, but if it's just module configuration
> > why not hint at modconf?
> 
> Hmm...'coz I've never used it?
> 
> The bits of module configuration I'd like to get at:
> 
>   - Identifying what modules you need.  Typically:  controllers,
> filesystems, networking, etc.

tricky, but lacking in many other places.
 
>   - Making sure the modules are included with your kernel.  My
> understanding is that most Debian kernel images are fairly kitchen
> sink, so the problem is minimized here.  Rolling your own is a
> different story.

Refer to make-kpkg.

>   - Getting the modules loaded at boot or when needed for a device /
> function.  This part, frankly, I don't understand particularly well,
> though I manage to limp along by throwing lines into /etc/modules.

This is the part modconf is used for, so have a look at it:)
 
 
...
> > It would be nice if you could mention some of the other aproaches,
> > like netinstall and give a link to the iso.
> 
> This assumes I'm providing general advice.  I'm not.  I'm talking about
> chroot installs, and refer to the primary documentation for other
> options.  TMTOWTDI

Fair enough, I just thought that netinstall is so similar it might
deserve to be mentioned.


> I use '$ ' as my root prompt ;-).  IIRC, both TRB and LNX-BBC use '$ '
> for their prompt.  '# ' reads too much like a comment to my mind, '$ '
> indicates a shell prompt.

Yep, problematic. It's just that I'm so used to `# ' as root prompt:)
 
> I use control directives to display the userid in reverse video when
> root, which I find more distinctive than a prompt mod:

I use red, so I see your point:)


...
> > Is this in accordance with FSH (or what ever the beast is named).  I
> > remember some discussions a while ago, but missed the final verdict.
> 
> This is in accordance with the procedures I describe.  /mnt/floppy is
> used on the  boot system, not the chroot image.  Though I prefer /mnt
> for floppy, cdrom, and other removeable media mount points.

I was referring to the use of sub dirs of mount and the proposal to use
\media instead.


...
> > > $ chroot . bin/bash
> > 
> > One thing I always wondered how to deal with was with preventing
> > daemons to start / stop in the chrooted woody, especially as this
> > automatically happens when you install a new (version) `daemon'
> > packet.  Initially debootstrap uses a trick to prevent daemons from
> > really being started.  Might be worth explaining the trick and how it
> > can be used later on.
> 
> TRB doesn't run daemons ;-)
> 
> LNX-BBC runs a minimal set (sshd, if activated).

So those two bootstrap environments work more or less, but it would be
nice if this howto would cather for a debian bootstrap environment
(think potato) as well.  So a few words on it wouldn't harm.


...
> > If you go the debootstrap path, you need to install a kernel package
> > first.
> 
> Um...I thought I did that already...or did I?  Yes, in the paragraph
> above, though the process is elided.  Or am I missing something.

No, *I* was missing something:)
But in retrospect it might be better to refrase it as

   You probably want a Linux kernel and a bootloader.

is an understatement I didn't expect in an American text.

...
> Point being:
> 
>$ dpkg --get-selections < file
>$ apt-get update
>$ apt-get dist-upgrade
> 
> ...didn't work as expected.  Still looking for input.

Look at Colin's response, or did you miss his?


> Peace.

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Re: chrooted debian install from base image (was re: instalation question: toshiba tecra 8000)

[Carel Fellinger]

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:03:33AM +0200, eduard bloch wrote:
> karsten m. self wrote on sat apr 06, 2002 um 08:52:50pm:
...
> >   - tar the partition to be converted to altnernate storage (if you've
> > created a fair number of partitions, you can "park" it elsewhere --
> > e.g.:  /home or /usr, usually).  for /usr, archived to /home:
> >  
> >  $ tar czvf /home/usr.tar.gz /usr
> 
> no. do not use tar with this simply call. you will loose parts of
> metadata, ie. directory permissions. Also note that there was a feature
> (I forgot which) that tar cannot handle correctly. Should not be a

FUD (IMHO)  He is calling tar as root, so the defaults are different,
no need to specify same-owner etc.  And that feature tha is missing is
the ability to extract hardlinked files by any name.  Only the first
name will work, but this is okee as the next name will only be linked
to the first, and that one is extracted if you extract all in one go.

...
>  --one-file-system -p -s --same-owner  --numeric-owner --sparse

Maybe --sparse and --one-file-system might be usefull, but I would
rather trust the names of owners and not their numbers to remain
the same over different debian distributions.  Ofcourse it would be
advisable to first copy/adjust /etc/passwd etc.


> >  $ tar tzvf /home/usr.tar.gz
> > 
> >...the exit value ($?) should be 0.
> 
> Don't forget to call this from /.

Yes, and consider using tar's -C option for this.

...
> >  $ cd /
> >  $ tar xzvf /home/usr.tar.gz

> Additional options needed, see above.

I doubt it, see above.


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re: chrooted debian install from base image (was re: instalation question: toshiba tecra 8000)

[eduard bloch]

#include 
karsten m. self wrote on sat apr 06, 2002 um 08:52:50pm:
> this is a draft of a howto i'm working on for doing a chrooted debian 
> install.  it's a method i've found useful over the years.

Similar thoughts, http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/

> lnx-bbc is far more capable, packing about 110 mib of utilities,
> including an x server, web browsers, games, and more, onto a
> small-format cdrom.

My favorite is knoppix, a live-cd with compressed filesystem. about 2gib
data. Whatever, you should really rewritte it for Woody since Potato is
obsolete soon.

> you've now got a real debian system, though rather lean, on disk.
> chroot into it:
> 
> $ chroot . bin/bash

"chroot " is enough.

> ok, now, munge /etc/apt/sources.list to your preference.  if you want to
> run a 'testing' or 'unstable' system, you can make this switch now.
> after the edits (and setting the $http_proxy environment variable if
> necessary:

or call "apt-setup".

> i'd suggest a set of packages which i like installed in all instances:
> 
>$ apt-get install aptitude w3m screen ssh lftp vim gpw 

alternatively, "apt-cache search task", apt-get install task-...

> once your system is booted, you can try converting to a journaling
> filesystem if you prefer -- e.g.:  ext3fs, reiserfs.  i recommend ext3fs
> on filesystems < 150-200 mib, and reiserfs above this value.  reiserfs

imo: for more failsave production systems: ext3 

for home systems: 
  for essential data: / and /boot partitions, /home, and evtl. /var.
  /usr, restoreable areas and temporary data storage: reiserfs

> for ext3fs, there's no major hassle.  make sure your kernel supports
> ext3fs, and run for each partition:
> 
> $ tune2fs -j /dev/

you can run it without kernel support.

> ...you may also want to set the '-c' (mounts between fs checks) or '-i'
> (interval between fs checks) options, and possibly the '-m' (reserved
> blocks percentage) options.  fixme:  recommended values?

depends. i recommend a monthly check. -m value depends on the size.
reserve 50meg for rescue operations, so calculate the percentage.

>   - tar the partition to be converted to altnernate storage (if you've
> created a fair number of partitions, you can "park" it elsewhere --
> e.g.:  /home or /usr, usually).  for /usr, archived to /home:
>  
>  $ tar czvf /home/usr.tar.gz /usr

no. do not use tar with this simply call. you will loose parts of
metadata, ie. directory permissions. Also note that there was a feature
(I forgot which) that tar cannot handle correctly. Should not be a
problem on most systems.  You may go better with this options: 

 --one-file-system -p -s --same-owner  --numeric-owner --sparse

> ...and verify:
> 
>  $ tar tzvf /home/usr.tar.gz
> 
>...the exit value ($?) should be 0.

Don't forget to call this from /.

>   - Create reiserfs:
> 
>  $ mkreiserfs /home/usr.tar.gz

If you plan to use kernel 2.4 forever, use "--format 3.6" too.

>   - Unpack the archive to the target:
> 
>  $ cd /
>  $ tar xzvf /home/usr.tar.gz

Additional options needed, see above.

> ...repeat for each partition, and you're set.

NOTE: If you do this with /, do not forget to "--exclude=/proc"

>   $ apt-get dist-upgrade  # This should work.
>   $ apt-get dselect-upgrade   # This is what I ended up using.
> 
> FIXME:  ...can someone straighten me out on this?
> 
>   - Run aptitude (far more intuitive than dselect IMVAO), and pick
> packages.

Install it first. AFAIK available in Woody only.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Osamu Aoki]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> This is a draft of a HOWTO I'm working on for doing a chrooted Debian 
> install.  It's a method I've found useful over the years.

As usual, nice info.

>   Performing A chroot Debian Install From A Booted System
>   ---
...
> OK, now, munge /etc/apt/sources.list to your preference.  If you want to
> run a 'testing' or 'unstable' system, you can make this switch now.

"apt-setup" should be able to do this with some help of debconf script.

If anyone know better than "go-woody" script on
 http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/quick-reference/examples
including it here may be a good idea.

> Any questions / answers / comments / suggestions?
 

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Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, Apr 07, 2002, Carel Fellinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > This is a draft of a HOWTO I'm working on for doing a chrooted Debian 
> 
> thanks for taking your time to add this usefull document.

Oh, I've only been meaning to for a couple of years now

Thanks for detailed comments.



> > install.  It's a method I've found useful over the years.
> 
> Yep very handy.  I started using it when I needed woody goodies and
> didn't want to take the risk and do a full upgrade.
> 
> > The one component I _don't_ address here is module configuration for
> > support of networking, sound, etc.  Not sure how best to deal with this.
> 
> Not sure what you're at here, but if it's just module configuration
> why not hint at modconf?

Hmm...'coz I've never used it?

The bits of module configuration I'd like to get at:

  - Identifying what modules you need.  Typically:  controllers,
filesystems, networking, etc.

  - Making sure the modules are included with your kernel.  My
understanding is that most Debian kernel images are fairly kitchen
sink, so the problem is minimized here.  Rolling your own is a
different story.

  - Getting the modules loaded at boot or when needed for a device /
function.  This part, frankly, I don't understand particularly well,
though I manage to limp along by throwing lines into /etc/modules.



> ...
> > As an alternative, it's possible to bypass the installation CD using
> > one of several other methods of getting a base image onto the
> > system.
> 
> It would be nice if you could mention some of the other aproaches,
> like netinstall and give a link to the iso.

This assumes I'm providing general advice.  I'm not.  I'm talking about
chroot installs, and refer to the primary documentation for other
options.  TMTOWTDI



> Oh, and I myself are very carefull in my examples to use a telling
> prompt.  In your code below you stick to `$ ' as prompt even when one
> clearly has to be root for the command to work.  I would suggest to
> use `# ' there and use `###' to begin a comment.  Or maybe even better
> use `TRB: ' as prompt for the commands used while running TRB, and
> switch to `debian: ' once debian is running (chrooted).

I use '$ ' as my root prompt ;-).  IIRC, both TRB and LNX-BBC use '$ '
for their prompt.  '# ' reads too much like a comment to my mind, '$ '
indicates a shell prompt.

I use control directives to display the userid in reverse video when
root, which I find more distinctive than a prompt mod:

PS1=\[\033]0;[EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:\W]$


I probably should make clear that all commands are being run as root.

Your comment on distinguishing boot v/ chroot systems is a good one.


> > Performing A chroot Debian Install From A Booted System
> > ---
> > 
> > The goal is to end up with an upacked tarball of the base system on a
> 
> I was under the impression that woody didn't have such a tarball any more,
> and now that woody is due to be released next week:) it might be wise to
> make this a little bit more future proof.  E.g. debootstrap seems very
> promissing it's merely a sh script so I guess it could work with TRB.
> I merely tried it from a chrooted woody and from its father potato:
> 
># apt-get debootstrap
># debootstrap --verbose --unpack-tarball /tmp/basedebs.tar woody woody2

I've used dbootstrap and debootstrap off the LNX-BBC with mixed results.
The chroot method seems to work more consistently.


> ...
> > keep on rolling.  Thus it's a "zero downtime" GNU/Linux install.  Also a
> 
> nah, a near zero downtime, you have to reboot once you know:)

/me researches two-kernel-monty procedures again


> ...
> > Getting Started
> > ---
> ...
> > My preference is for separate partitions, in order of preference for
> > creation: /, swap, /boot, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var, and /usr/local.  If
> 
> funny, I would think /boot is far less important to have separate then
> /usr.  But then, I've either small disks or modern motherboards, so no
> 1024 cylinder limit here.  Or do you have other arguments to separate
> / and /boot?

For large disks, /boot can be necessary.  It's also a small partition,
so the space-contstraint argument against divving up a /boot partition
don't wash.  I find it useful to keep things like kernels and boot
blocks mounted ro unless absolutely necessary.


> ...
> > Mount two of your partitions to /mnt/debinst and /mnt/utility.  While
> > you're at it, make sure a /mnt/floppy directory exists. 
> 
> Is this in accordance with FSH (or what ever the beast is named).  I
> remember some discussions a while ago, but missed the final verdict.

This is in accordance with the procedures I describe.  /mnt/floppy is
used on the  boot system, not the chroot image.  Though I prefer /mnt
for floppy, cdrom, and other removeable media mount points.


<...>

> > Configurin

Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Patrick Kirk]

On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 05:52, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> This is a draft of a HOWTO I'm working on for doing a chrooted Debian 
> install.  It's a method I've found useful over the years.
> 

Hi,

I wonder if you would find this link on the gentoo site useful.  IMO it
is the most elegant set of instructions for a chroot install I've used. 
I think its because chroot is the _only_ way to install Gentoo.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/build.html


They also have an altinstall page where you can install from a single
floppy and NFS.  The instructions on how to use mount -o loop for a cd
are really useful if you only have an iso image.
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/altinstall.html

In a lot of ways, Gentoo has a site that has more useful tutorials and
tips than most Linux resources because their lead developer does them
for IBM. http://www.gentoo.org/index-articles.html is well worth a
visit.

BTW, I stopped using Gentoo after a week or so.  It is a lovely distro
and portage has the potential to be as good as dpkg.  Its very modern
and up to date - having a small developer and small number of apps helps
them a lot.

But Debian is better in that its more solid (Gentoo installs seem to
work when the mood takes them or else just chew up your cpu for a couple
of hours before bombing out).  I run a mix of testing/unstable and it
seems like only a couple of hours from things being released by Ximian
or whoever. And you get all the compiling from source benefits as well
with the deb-src things.

I only wish that I could get the apt-get source only things to stick.  I
used it for a few apps only to have them overwritten by binaries on my
next apt-get update && apt-get upgrade.  However, like most things in
IT, its a question of rtfm-ing I suppose ;-)

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Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Carel Fellinger]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> This is a draft of a HOWTO I'm working on for doing a chrooted Debian 

thanks for taking your time to add this usefull document.

> install.  It's a method I've found useful over the years.

Yep very handy.  I started using it when I needed woody goodies and
didn't want to take the risk and do a full upgrade.

> The one component I _don't_ address here is module configuration for
> support of networking, sound, etc.  Not sure how best to deal with this.

Not sure what you're at here, but if it's just module configuration
why not hint at modconf?
 
...
> As an alternative, it's possible to bypass the installation CD using one
> of several other methods of getting a base image onto the system.

It would be nice if you could mention some of the other aproaches, like
netinstall and give a link to the iso.

Oh, and I myself are very carefull in my examples to use a telling
prompt.  In your code below you stick to `$ ' as prompt even when
one clearly has to be root for the command to work.  I would suggest
to use `# ' there and use `###' to begin a comment.  Or maybe even
better use `TRB: ' as prompt for the commands used while running
TRB, and switch to `debian: ' once debian is running (chrooted).
 

>   Performing A chroot Debian Install From A Booted System
>   ---
> 
> The goal is to end up with an upacked tarball of the base system on a

I was under the impression that woody didn't have such a tarball any more,
and now that woody is due to be released next week:) it might be wise to
make this a little bit more future proof.  E.g. debootstrap seems very
promissing it's merely a sh script so I guess it could work with TRB.
I merely tried it from a chrooted woody and from its father potato:

   # apt-get debootstrap
   # debootstrap --verbose --unpack-tarball /tmp/basedebs.tar woody woody2


...
> keep on rolling.  Thus it's a "zero downtime" GNU/Linux install.  Also a

nah, a near zero downtime, you have to reboot once you know:)

...
> Getting Started
> ---
...
> My preference is for separate partitions, in order of preference for
> creation: /, swap, /boot, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var, and /usr/local.  If

funny, I would think /boot is far less important to have separate then
/usr.  But then, I've either small disks or modern motherboards, so no
1024 cylinder limit here.  Or do you have other arguments to separate
/ and /boot?

...
> Mount two of your partitions to /mnt/debinst and /mnt/utility.  While
> you're at it, make sure a /mnt/floppy directory exists. 

Is this in accordance with FSH (or what ever the beast is named).  I
remember some discussions a while ago, but missed the final verdict.

 
> Transferring The Base Image
> ---

This can be done with debootstrap too, so you merely need to tell how
to install debootstrap on a non debian system.  And maybe were to get
basedebs.tar as debootstrap can use a local copy of that tarball too.



> Configuring The Base System
> --
> 
> You've now got a real Debian system, though rather lean, on disk.
> Chroot into it:
> 
> $ chroot . bin/bash

One thing I always wondered how to deal with was with preventing
daemons to start / stop in the chrooted woody, especially as this
automatically happens when you install a new (version) `daemon'
packet.  Initially debootstrap uses a trick to prevent daemons from
really being started.  Might be worth explaining the trick and how it
can be used later on.


...
>- /etc/hostname -- your system's host name -- 2 - 63 characters.

Maybe worth mentioning that it shouldn't contain the domain part?


...
> Reboot to confirm your settings.  If your system doesn't come up, you've

If you go the debootstrap path, you need to install a kernel package first.


...
>   # In theory, the following works, though I had to kick it a few
>   # times to make it go right:
> 
>   $ apt-get dist-upgrade  # This should work.
>   $ apt-get dselect-upgrade   # This is what I ended up using.
> 
> FIXME:  ...can someone straighten me out on this?

I'm no expert on the subject, but I thought dselect-upgrade is only usefull
when you used dselect to select packages and want apt-get to install them.

 
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Re: Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Colin Watson]

On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 08:52:50PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
>   - Schlep in a package list from another source that you'd like to run:
> 
>   # On other box:
>   $ dpkg --get-selections > file
>   $ $EDIT file
> 
>   # Transfer file to your new system (floppy, network, carrier
>   # pigeon, whatever).
> 
>   $ dpkg --set-selections < file
> 
>   # In theory, the following works, though I had to kick it a few
>   # times to make it go right:
> 
>   $ apt-get dist-upgrade  # This should work.
>   $ apt-get dselect-upgrade   # This is what I ended up using.
> 
> FIXME:  ...can someone straighten me out on this?

I'm fairly sure you need to use 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' (or 'dselect
install') to act on what you've set using 'dpkg --set-selections'. The
dist-upgrade method makes its own decisions, while dselect-upgrade
actually pays attention to what you've just set in /var/lib/dpkg/status.

Cheers,

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Chrooted Debian install from base image (was Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000)

[Karsten M. Self]

This is a draft of a HOWTO I'm working on for doing a chrooted Debian 
install.  It's a method I've found useful over the years.

I'm requesting feedback on this essay, there are a few points that need
additional information (search 'FIXME').  If someone wants to try
following these procedures and reporting back on what works, let me
know.

The one component I _don't_ address here is module configuration for
support of networking, sound, etc.  Not sure how best to deal with this.


on Mon, Apr 01, 2002, David A. Sakmar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I just recently came into the posesion of a toshiba tecra 8000 and
> have been having some trouble installing Dabian on it.  I have been
> trying my old stack of bootable CD's and so far the only ditro I have
> been able to get to boot off the CD is Redhat 6.2(7.1 and 7.2 both
> don't boot either).  If anyone has any suggestions on how I could get
> a Debian CD to install on this laptop I would apreciate the input.

As an alternative, it's possible to bypass the installation CD using one
of several other methods of getting a base image onto the system.

I've been meaning to document this procedure anyway, so here's a crack
at it.  Suggestions welcome.  Some of this is based on prior discussion
between myself and Joey Hess on debian-user here:

  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200202/msg03033.html
  http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200202/msg03038.html



Performing A chroot Debian Install From A Booted System
---

The goal is to end up with an upacked tarball of the base system on a
partition, with a working, bootable, kernel, and networking, from which
additional configuration may be performed.  The means:

  1. Booting some other OS on the system. 
  2. Partitioning the system as desired.
  3. Getting the base system copied over.
  4. Unpacking it.
  5. Chrooting into it.
  6. Completing installation tasks.
  7. Converting to journaled filesystems.
  8. Further OS package installs.

My preferences for bootable systems are Tom's Root Boot (TRB) and the
LNX-BBC bootable GNU/Linux Business Card (LNX-BBC):

  - http://www.toms.net/rb/
  - http://www.lxn-bbc.org/

TRB is 1.7 MiB of GNU/Linux and utilities.  It's pretty minimal, but can
get you a consol, and usually networking, on a system.  As it runs in a
RAMdisk, you can modify all the underlying storage.  You can also create
up to 13 additional RAMdisks of 4 MiB each (TRB itself runs in three),
for a total of 52 MiB storage (memory permitting).

LNX-BBC is far more capable, packing about 110 MiB of utilities,
including an X server, web browsers, games, and more, onto a
small-format CDROM.


If you already have an OS installed on the system (and better:  a
GNU/Linux system), you may also be able to use it to assist you.

The advantage to this method is that you're working in a chrooted
environment.  Outside this "chroot jail", you've got a fully capable
GNU/Linux system -- more so if you're using the LNX-BBC or an existing
install.  Once you've got the new Debian system configured to your
preference, you can migrate your existing user data (if any) to it, and
keep on rolling.  Thus it's a "zero downtime" GNU/Linux install.  Also a
damned good way for dealing with hardware that otherwise doesn't play
friendly with various boot or installation media.

It helps greatly to have a network-accessible live GNU/Linux system
available, or better, a physically accessible one if you need to do a
floppy-based transfer.



Getting Started
---

In either case, boot whichever works.  If you're going to repartition
the hard drive, do it now.  My suggestions on partitioning may be found
at:

http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html

Create ext2 filesystems (Potato doesn't support ext3fs or reiserfs out
of the box, more later), and a swap partition, as needed.

I _strongly_ recommend creating at least two filesystems, plus swap,
You'll use one of these filesystems as the locate for saving the base
image tarball prior to unpacking it.  Mount one partition as
/mnt/debinst (the installation point, to be the root (/) filesystem on
your new system) and the other as /mnt/utility (the names are strictly
arbitrary, but I'll refer to them as such for the remainder of this
document).

My preference is for separate partitions, in order of preference for
creation: /, swap, /boot, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var, and /usr/local.  If
not created as partitions, I prefer putting /tmp and /var as symlinks to
/usr/tmp and /usr/var.

Mount two of your partitions to /mnt/debinst and /mnt/utility.  While
you're at it, make sure a /mnt/floppy directory exists. 



Transferring The Base Image
---

Transfer the base image tarball to the system.  If you can get
networking configured under your install system (e.g.:  TRB, LNX-BBC),
this is your best bet.  It may be possible to configure a la

Re: Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000

[Pat Colbeck]

Hi

I have a Tecra 8000 and my compamy use loads of these. We all have
problems booting CDs. Some seem to work and some don't.  The thing to do
is top make a boot floppy(s) (number depends on the distribution) and
boot from that. You will find once it has booted the kernel from the
floppy the rest of the install will be able to read the CD no problem.

Pat



On Mon, Apr 01, 2002 at 03:09:16PM -0500, David A. Sakmar wrote:
> 
> I just recently came into the posesion of a toshiba tecra 8000 and have 
> been having some trouble installing Dabian on it.  I have been trying my 
> old stack of bootable CD's and so far the only ditro I have been able to 
> get to boot off the CD is Redhat 6.2(7.1 and 7.2 both don't boot 
> either).  If anyone has any suggestions on how I could get a Debian CD 
> to install on this laptop I would apreciate the input.


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Instalation question: Toshiba TECRA 8000

[David A. Sakmar]

Hello,

I just recently came into the posesion of a toshiba tecra 8000 and have 
been having some trouble installing Dabian on it.  I have been trying my 
old stack of bootable CD's and so far the only ditro I have been able to 
get to boot off the CD is Redhat 6.2(7.1 and 7.2 both don't boot 
either).  If anyone has any suggestions on how I could get a Debian CD 
to install on this laptop I would apreciate the input.


-David A. Sakmar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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zope instalation problem

[Zdzislaw A. Kaleta]

I try to install (by apt-get in unstable) the zope deb package. In 
configuration the errors were signaled (I put them below) Of course Zope 
won't start. What I have to do?

The errors messages:

START
-
Konfigurowanie zope (2.4.99beta4-1) ...
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/content/aboveInThread.py", 
line 16
return breadcrumbs
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/addtoFavorites.py", 
line 14
return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(url)
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/change_password.py",
 
line 8
return context.password_form(context,
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/disableSyndication.py",
 
line 7
return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/synPropertiesForm?portal_status_message=Syndication+Disabled')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/editSynProperties.py",
 
line 7
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/synPropertiesForm?portal_status_message=Syndication+Properties+Updated.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/enableSyndication.py",
 
line 7
return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/synPropertiesForm?portal_status_message=Syndication+Enabled')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_copy.py", 
line 7
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/folder_contents?portal_status_message=Item(s)+Copied.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_cut.py", 
line 7
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/folder_contents?portal_status_message=Item(s)+Cut.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_delete.py", 
line 7
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/folder_contents?portal_status_message=Deleted.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_paste.py", 
line 7
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/folder_contents?portal_status_message=Item(s)+Pasted.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_rename.py", 
line 6
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.absolute_url() + 
'/folder_contents?portal_status_message=Item(s)+Renamed.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/folder_rename_items.py",
 
line 10
return filter(lambda ob: ob.cb_isMoveable(),
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/isDiscussable.py", 
line 5
return context.allow_discussion
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/logout.py", line 8
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(REQUEST.URL1+'/logged_out')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/mail_password.py", 
line 5
return context.portal_registration.mailPassword(REQUEST['userid'], 
REQUEST)
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/reconfig.py", 
line 6
return REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(context.portal_url() + 
'/reconfig_form?portal_status_message=CMF+Settings+changed.')
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/register.py", 
line 13
return context.join_form( context, REQUEST, error=failMessage )
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File "/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/control/undo.py", 
line 7return context.REQUEST.RESPONSE.redirect(
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic/TitleOrId.py", 
line 12
return title
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic/css_inline_or_link.py",
 
line 23
return stylesheet_code
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic/doFormSearch.py", 
line 23
return context.portal_catalog( form_vars )
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic/iconHTML.py", 
line 20
return '' % (iconURL,
SyntaxError: 'return' outside function
  File 
"/usr/lib/zope/lib/python/Products/CMFDefault/skins/generic/truncID.py", line 
1

instalation problems

[newman]

Can you please help me?  I have debian and i'm trying to install it. I 
encountered a problem when setting up the X server. 
  It says "setting up xserver-vga16 (3.3.6-11potato32) 
No default xserver previously set or previous default has been 
removed
Do you want to make vga16 X server default"
 
On no
Doesn't do anything, but loops back.
 
On Yes
 
Now default.  Do you want to create xfree86 cfg files? 
Do you want to make Mach64 server default?
(on no, loops back)
 (on yes,"may take a while, hit enter",  screen flashes, 
message comes up "_ x11transSocketUNIXconnect : Can't connect errno = 
111
The error message repeats 6 times
\ect\x11\xf86 config was not created,  (then 
loops back).
 
I have tried w/o graphics and it works, but I can't get any xgraphics to 
work.  
Help!  I'm a newbie!
 
Jeff Newman
 
 

Instalation Host Setup...

[Alexander Wallace]

Hello  there! When debian is installed with the network options, it sets
up several things for the network SInce I didn't have a network
adapter when I set this machine up I guess it didn't set those things...

Now, i got the network working but there are a couple of things that I did
not set up correctly I guess. Since apache says that It can't determine
the host name, and my mail goes out like [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Can I re run that program that sets those things up correctly, and If so
how? Or can someone point me what I need to do to fix that problem? I know
I can edit httpd.conf and add my name there, but In other debian systems
I've installed I haven't have the need for such changes and I would like
to get everything right...

I do have an /etc/hostname with the right name and several other files
like /etc/hosts, etc, but I still have that problem...

Thank in advance!

RE: Instalation on a laptop advise...

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 05-Oct-2001 Alexander Wallace wrote:
> I have another debian system I'll try compiling the module today... But,
> what is it that I need to copy? just the tulip.o? will there not be
> dependencies and stuff like that? Can I put that tulip o in a floppy in
> /lib/modules/net or something like that and give it to it at startup? I
> tryed this already but with a tulip.o copiled using Libranet, and it
> didn't work, if it is becouse of the distro (although is debian based)
> I'll try it with debian today...
> 

the key is to make sure the kernel version matches the version in Debian.

RE: Instalation on a laptop advise...

[Alexander Wallace]

I have another debian system I'll try compiling the module today... But,
what is it that I need to copy? just the tulip.o? will there not be
dependencies and stuff like that? Can I put that tulip o in a floppy in
/lib/modules/net or something like that and give it to it at startup? I
tryed this already but with a tulip.o copiled using Libranet, and it
didn't work, if it is becouse of the distro (although is debian based)
I'll try it with debian today...

Thanks!

On Wed, 3 Oct 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:

>
> On 03-Oct-2001 Alexander Wallace wrote:
> > Hi there! I have a lapotp I want to install debian in, it has a nic that
> > needs a modifyed version of tulip To be able to use it I need to copy
> > the modifyed version and recompile the kernel to recompile the module...
> >
> > The instalation cd I have for debian doesn't have any packages, It get's
> > them from the net... Is there a way to interupt the instalation and add
> > the file and recompile and then install the packages? Or do I have to
> > download the full cds from debian?
> >
>
> best bet would be to get a friend to compile the package(s) for you.  If you
> can manage to install base then you should be able to hand install enough to
> get networking working for you.  The problem will be getting the needed 
> module.
>
> Also, there is a debian-laptop list for anyone seeking laptop specific help.
>
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RE: Instalation on a laptop advise...

[Scott Henson]

> Hi there! I have a lapotp I want to install debian in, it has a nic that
> needs a modifyed version of tulip To be able to use it I need to copy
> the modifyed version and recompile the kernel to recompile the module...
>
> The instalation cd I have for debian doesn't have any packages, It get's
> them from the net... Is there a way to interupt the instalation and add
> the file and recompile and then install the packages? Or do I have to
> download the full cds from debian?
>
> Thanks!


No you dont.  Durring the instalation process it should ask you which
packages(acctualy tasts which are sets of packages) you want to install.  If
you tell it none then you can go back after you recompile the kernel and use
apt-get to install any packages you want.  Acctually the How-to for
switching from be-os to debian.  I cant seem to find it right now, but i
know a message was posted to one of the debian lists.  Sorry i couldnt help
more.