Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, KatolaZ wrote: > Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We > just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;) true. on ascii we have quite some new entries in the team :^) msiism, irrwahn, amesser and others have given great help on desktop issues and documentation and general understanding of issues and last not least we have understood how to fix the loginkitd mess. your call to remember the early dire days of exodus is timely, as the hungry gap is approaching we shall fast at least one day by running only your devuan minimal-live :^D ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 07:29:01AM +, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:25:18AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it > > makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in > > other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to > > help. Anyone interested is very welcome! > > > > Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We > just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;) > Oh this does not mean that we don't need help with that: quite the opposite! So any volunteer is really to welcome to help, not just with WMaker, but also with any of the other window managers around. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 08:25:18AM +0100, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it > makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in > other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to > help. Anyone interested is very welcome! > Well, the theme is actually half-there, mainly thanks to msiism. We just have to finish it up and rebuild the package ;) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 10:09:05AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > Hi, > > goli...@dyne.org writes: > > > This is the best answer of all. > > > > Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find > > objectionable and recreate it as you wish. > > Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme. On my system > this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the > only desktop I have installed. > > The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on > clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided > or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the > system-wide default more easily. When we were starving to death, we craved for bread. We found a dirty crust of bread, and we started begging for soup. After we got enough soup, we demanded meat. When we were sated with three kinds of meat, we asked for a cream tea with jam, scones, and clotted cream. After having eaten half a scone and not even touched the clotted cream, we felt an insatiable desire for crabs, caviar and champagneI guess it's just human nature :P I can't find appropriate words to describe today the joy and immense gratitute to Devuan that I felt the first moment the Valentine alpha became available. I will simply remember that moment forever. A lot has been done since then, and Devuan has given us bread, soup, meat, scones, caviar, and what not. It's great to see that we still have desire for more, but please let us not forget where we came from, and the hunger we have suffered in getting where we are now. It helps putting things in perspective ;) My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
dear Olaf, On Sun, 11 Mar 2018, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: > > Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme. On my > > system this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all > > of Xfce, the only desktop I have installed. > > Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large > number of packages to be removed. When set to false, the default, > it's only three. desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop thanks for double-checking. having so many packages removed after desktop-base would be a problem to be fixed in Devuan, especially considering needs of derivative distros. OT: after so many years I reverted to use wmaker as my wm (and it makes me happy!) noticing it has no Devuan themeing. In this as in other window managers this is a task open for volunteers willing to help. Anyone interested is very welcome! ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 2018-03-11 00:29, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi again, Olaf Meeuwissen writes: Hi, goli...@dyne.org writes: This is the best answer of all. Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find objectionable and recreate it as you wish. Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme. On my system this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the only desktop I have installed. Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large number of packages to be removed. When set to false, the default, it's only three. desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop It's not unusual to do a bare-bones custom install of Xfce without the meta package and desktop-base. My enthusiasm for this method of removal was a bit tongue-in-cheek (think scorched earth). ;) The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the system-wide default more easily. Exactly. The purpose of desktop-base is to integrate the default theme. That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current situation. :D Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark shade of grey that is used now. Remove the default clock from the panel and install the Orage clock from the repos instead. It has nice config options that allow for foreground and background color choice. As far as making that the default option . . . let me talk to Centurion_Dan about that. It's not really a priority in the grand scheme of things but the suggestion could at least be included in some release notes for the final release. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Hi again, Olaf Meeuwissen writes: > Hi, > > goli...@dyne.org writes: > >> This is the best answer of all. >> >> Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find >> objectionable and recreate it as you wish. > > Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme. On my system > this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the > only desktop I have installed. Sorry, I have set APT::Get::AutomaticRemove to true, hence the large number of packages to be removed. When set to false, the default, it's only three. desktop-base task-desktop task-xfce-desktop > The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on > clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided > or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the > system-wide default more easily. > > That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current > situation. Apart from getting the clock in the Xfce systemtray to display in a colour that contrasts with the darkpurpy theme rather than the dark shade of grey that is used now. >> On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote: >>> One way to remove it all would be: >>> >>> apt-get purge desktop-base >>> >>> Or don't install it to begin with. >>> >>> Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or.. >>> >>> apt-get install gimp >>> >>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >>> >>> On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote: >>> Dear All, I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or some light blue/green gradient wallpapers. Thank you all. > > Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Am 2018-03-11 02:09, schrieb Olaf Meeuwissen: The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the system-wide default more easily. I do not know a distribution that offers a selection of themes during the installation. Why should Devuan put work here? If you do not like the theme, you can customize it yourself or choose a different distribution. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Hi, goli...@dyne.org writes: > This is the best answer of all. > > Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find > objectionable and recreate it as you wish. Seems a bit drastic just to get rid of the default theme. On my system this wants to remove 438 packages covering most if not all of Xfce, the only desktop I have installed. The problem is that desktop-base has an explicit Depends: on clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme where alternatives could be provided or a meta-package to pull in a theme so that admins can control the system-wide default more easily. That said, I like darkpurpy so have no intent to improve the current situation. > On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote: >> One way to remove it all would be: >> >> apt-get purge desktop-base >> >> Or don't install it to begin with. >> >> Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or.. >> >> apt-get install gimp >> >> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ >> >> On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Dear All, >>> >>> I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to >>> permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would >>> like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or >>> some light blue/green gradient wallpapers. >>> >>> Thank you all. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2018-03-08 16:34, Alessandro Selli wrote: > https://puri.sm/shop/librem-5/ > > 155.26% funded > 4,339 backers > > $2,328,966 raised of the $1,500,000 goal. I'm one of the backers. I pre-ordered the phone and the dev-kit. I think what they are doing is truly amazing and important. They have created good hardware, cooperate with the FSF and the OSS Comunity in every way possible, and do their best to keep their products as libre as they can. But most importantly, they are creating a real linux phone! I've seen the other so called linux phones. I've had an Ubuntu Phone. I was really hyped up when I got the Ubuntu one, but I was really letdown by them soon. It used regular Android drivers, their Mir supported gralloc, but X nor Wayland did. It wasn't possible to install another distro. It wasn't even possible to use apt, because they choose to (OTA) update the phones with tar archives!!! It's the same with other linux phones. They don't build their own phones, they use gralloc, and they can't run other distros. But the purism librem 5 will be different. I believe this will finally be the phone I was waiting for. One, where I can install my distribution of choice, devuan. One, where I am in control what's installed on it and what it does. One, which I will even be able to completely replace my PC with. This is something no one else could or wanted give me. Purism is yet another step in the right direction. With all the things that go wrong in this world, I will do everything I can to make things better. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQFIBAEBCAAyFiEEZT8xKpcJ1eXNKSM1cASjafdLVoEFAlqkeHYUHG1lQGRhbmll bGFicmVjaHQuY2gACgkQcASjafdLVoFXlQgAlaAWnGVu/G98Nx8k2tHk0HnCwsAF XSDUe6BW/5bs+YKcQTGE5JGAp8AOnxpdtJZ9Kmo8ZOzXsi0CLkM6FtghDnyRkXBQ YklxNJfuRgl/VKTdBYmQ/D9DW88+jD3nxZEAzrCUgYFzaU/Y7A1XO2ogLPzsKL3b 9LX0YJbCTGNROidTusdF9sNzM4ApMYukPdSypD9qgBn5ZplWJ3hhI4EO7iOZPE/d HHFgPpKlZ6jeMeSo+f6kEXLNd1bUrxLQDbfyMuKu+QOJGqHgyjc/MK59WuQ3W5fA vmRgaZXr2VUPXXNzI4IrSGFIPhl5S7Si5ExMk0GNWb+O7X9UPj8cjvtlCw== =Zxu2 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out
On 09/03/2018 at 00:05, taii...@gmx.com ha wrote: > On 03/08/2018 11:34 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: > >> In fact it's just another take of Taiidan against Purism, it's his job. > You fail to mention that there are many people who are constantly promoting > purism, whereas I am the only one who provides constructive criticism. You are as constructive on Purism as Trump is constructive on N Korea. > I have told them that their marketing is dishonest many times, hell they > even agreed with me that it needed to be changed only they never did so. I'd like to read this exchange. Purism is NOT free hardware and certainly not "grassroots" as their mysterious founder somehow has a bottomless pit of money to burn on hardware costs and propaganda campaigns. >> [...] >> >>> Are these things an illusion? >>> >>> https://puri.sm/posts/purism-integrates-heads-security-firmware-with-tpm-giving-full-control-and-digital-privacy-to-laptop-users/ >>> >>> >>> https://puri.sm/posts/librem-now-most-secure-laptop-under-full-user-with-tamper-evident-features/ >>> > They didn't make heads they simply install it on their laptops. Did they write they made heads? No, they gave credit to all those involved. > Again my issue is that they claim to have "open source firmware" and a > "disabled" ME when they actually don't. The firmware they use is Coreboot, so the firmware they use is as free as Coreboot is. ME they state (https://puri.sm/learn/intel-me/) is "neutralized *and* disabled" and provide with this pointers as proof: https://puri.sm/posts/neutralizing-intel-management-engine-on-librem-laptops/ https://puri.sm/posts/todds-librem-13-with-coreboot-and-a-neutralized-me/ They claim they removed "over 90% of the Intel ME", "leaving only the very small section (120k) to initialize and configure the hardware." In detail, these are the removed partitions and what is still in place: The remains A question remains, however: “What exactly did we remove, and what remains?” So I tried to dig into that as well. ## Original ME modules : total 1.6M 8.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 8.0K Feb 28 17:08 AFWS-20687000.mod 12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 BOP-20392000.mod 116K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 116K Feb 28 17:08 BUP-200d4000.mod 16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 CLS-206e.mod 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 ClsPriv-20716000.mod 12K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 12K Feb 28 17:08 FPF-206b3000.mod 132K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 140K Feb 28 17:08 FTPM-20777000.mod 60K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 60K Feb 28 17:08 HOSTCOMM-20396000.mod 24K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 24K Feb 28 17:08 HOTHAM-2032b000.mod 16K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 16K Feb 28 17:08 ICC-203ad000.mod 272K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 272K Feb 28 17:08 JOM-208c2000.mod 344K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 344K Feb 28 17:08 KERNEL-200f8000.mod 28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 MCTP-20379000.mod 28K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 28K Feb 28 17:08 ME_TUNNEL-203b4000.mod 52K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 52K Feb 28 17:08 NET_STACK-20383000.mod 20K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 20K Feb 28 17:08 NFC-208bb000.mod 196K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 204K Feb 28 17:08 Pavp-2004.mod 124K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 124K Feb 28 17:08 POLICY-2034d000.mod 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 ROMP-200d2000.mod 60K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 60K Feb 28 17:08 SESSMGR-20719000.mod 44K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 44K Feb 28 17:08 SESSMGR_PRIV-2015a000.mod 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:08 UPDATE-2003e000.mod 32K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 32K Feb 28 17:08 utilities-2036f000.mod ## Cleaned ME modules : total 120K 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 4.0K Feb 28 17:15 ROMP-200d2000.mod 116K -rw-r--r-- 1 kakaroto kakaroto 116K Feb 28 17:15 BUP-200d4000.mod > You tell me I am "attacking them" since you care so much you can email them > to remove the dishonest marketing and sell their products *as they are* not > as they could be eventually - then I would have no issue with them What is dishonest in what they write on their site? What is that they sell not as is but as "could be eventually"? I encourage everyone who cares about the future of free computing to contact the FSF about this. Here are posts that help explain the purism situation better than I can. https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/3anjgm/on_the_librem_laptop_purism_doesnt_believe_in/ >>> In IT terms, that Reddit thread started a long time ago perhaps it >>> is irrelevant these days? > It is still relevant, purism claims to have "open source firmware" when all > the hardware init is done via binary blobs. CPU microcode too is a proprietary binary blob. Still, there are laptops that are considered free hardware and meet RYF criteria. >> No, it is not relevent, and Taiidan
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 09:07:48PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Quote: Troll > > I am not interested in damaging the distribution I am using after > Debian betrayed me by shackling my freedom with systemd's adoption. > > A hint that would not break any package would have been appreciated. > It seems my only route of salvation is to fork desktop-base to get the > wallpapers I want. ...or, as people have suggested you several times in this thread, just edit slim.conf (either from a text editor or from whatever config tool they have) and get whatever wallper you like there. They have also explained how to change your DE's wallpaper. It seems that these suggestion answer your question :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Quote: Troll I am not interested in damaging the distribution I am using after Debian betrayed me by shackling my freedom with systemd's adoption. A hint that would not break any package would have been appreciated. It seems my only route of salvation is to fork desktop-base to get the wallpapers I want. Please, do not reply to this thread to add more to the previous polemic. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 2018-03-10 13:38, m712 wrote: I'm pretty much convinced this is a troll but all I've got on this Saturday evening is time and my wine so. Baiting the bear? What you can do now is to make the question more open ended and asking people if they want change on the default wallpapers. Probably a bad idea. Please let's let this thread die quietly. Though, I doubt that it will happen since the majority seems to enjoy the current ones. They do. And this is the first negative comment I've seen. Besides the whole point of free software is the ability to "have it your way" so I really don't see what all the fuss is about. If you don't like it, change it. End of story. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
This is the best answer of all. Yes, just remove desktop-base to eliminate all styling you find objectionable and recreate it as you wish. On 2018-03-10 07:14, Chillfan wrote: One way to remove it all would be: apt-get purge desktop-base Or don't install it to begin with. Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or.. apt-get install gimp ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All, I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or some light blue/green gradient wallpapers. Thank you all. Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
I'm pretty much convinced this is a troll but all I've got on this Saturday evening is time and my wine so. On March 10, 2018 10:22:46 PM GMT+03:00, Edward Bartolo wrote: >Quote: "I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem." > >Keep what you think to yourself. You called me out on using an Ad Hominem, and I called you out on using it incorrectly. Stop the double standard. >The tactic is to attack the messenger instead of the message. You asked artwork to be removed with no reason given, so it's obviously assumed to be personal taste. The messenger is attacked because the message depends on the messenger. >I wrote an email to be directed to change the >default wallpapers for slim and got into a puerile argument with >people who should know such arguments lead to nowhere but I am was >wrong in my assuming I was dealing with grown-ups. Nice ad hominem yourself. Also, the distro should fit you and your personal taste? What? >I will not drink the venom that you posted - keep that to yourself. It >is always the same puerile attitude: the other party understands >nothing, knows nothings, remembers nothing, ... I would say the same about you, to be honest. If you actually read my mail now instead of cherry-picking some small thing I wrote and proclaiming "HA! Gotcha!", you will know that I'm trying to be constructive here. What you can do now is to make the question more open ended and asking people if they want change on the default wallpapers. Though, I doubt that it will happen since the majority seems to enjoy the current ones. >Shame on you. Not even gonna respond to this. m712 -- https://nextchan.org -- https://gitgud.io/blazechan/blazechan I am awake between 3AM-8PM UTC, HMU if the site's broken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Quote: "I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem." Keep what you think to yourself. The tactic is to attack the messenger instead of the message. I wrote an email to be directed to change the default wallpapers for slim and got into a puerile argument with people who should know such arguments lead to nowhere but I am was wrong in my assuming I was dealing with grown-ups. I will not drink the venom that you posted - keep that to yourself. It is always the same puerile attitude: the other party understands nothing, knows nothings, remembers nothing, ... Shame on you. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 04:08:27PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 10/03/2018, m712 wrote: > > It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper is > > entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to remove > > artwork because you want them removed. > > An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen' > preparing a broth with too many cooks. It was not m712 who started this obvious troll thread. I won't insult your intelligence by assuming your initial mail was genuine lack of knowledge rather than malice. ᛗᛖᛟᚹ! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢠⠒⠀⣿⡁ A dumb species has no way to open a tuna can. ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ A smart species invents a can opener. ⠈⠳⣄ A master species delegates. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On March 10, 2018 6:08:27 PM GMT+03:00, Edward Bartolo wrote: >On 10/03/2018, m712 wrote: >> It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper >is >> entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to >remove >> artwork because you want them removed. >> > >An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen' >preparing a broth with too many cooks. I don't think you have a correct understanding of ad hominem. I did not accuse you of being arrogant, I stated my opinion that I believe it is arrogant to request a distro-wide removal of artwork just because someone doesn't like them. Maybe the use of "you want them removed" was incorrect; I should have used "someone wants them removed", and for that I apologize. My opinion still stands, though. m712 -- https://nextchan.org -- https://gitgud.io/blazechan/blazechan I am awake between 3AM-8PM UTC, HMU if the site's broken signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
Am 2018-03-10 16:08, schrieb Edward Bartolo: I want to remove the themes from the slim display manager Configure whatever you want in /etc/slim.conf and I am concerned updates of slim may overwrite my changes restoring them to their defaults. Normally on updates, when there is a config change, you will be asked if you want to keep your config or install a new one. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
On 10/03/2018, m712 wrote: > It's your choice to remove or keep them, and the color of a wallpaper is > entirely subjective. I think it's arrogant to request Devuan to remove > artwork because you want them removed. > An 'Ad Hominem'? Bravo! I am a chef and was 'back in the kitchen' preparing a broth with too many cooks. On 09/03/2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > [ snip ] > Right click on your Xfce desktop. Choose desktop settings. Navigate to > the wallpaper of your choice. You can also create gradients there. The > default images in /usr/share/images/desktop-base/ can be permanently > deleted. > Done. Was that so hard? > That is not what I want and this is not MS Windows. Removing parts of packages by deleting files is strongly discouraged in any Linux distribution that uses a package manager. I want to remove the themes from the slim display manager and I am concerned updates of slim may overwrite my changes restoring them to their defaults. StartX does not work for some weird reason, so I have to stick with a display manager. Thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Please, provide a means to remove the default wallpapers.
One way to remove it all would be: apt-get purge desktop-base Or don't install it to begin with. Try the xfce gradient wallpaper, which is blue. Or.. apt-get install gimp ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On March 9, 2018 8:34 AM, Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote: > Dear All, > > I would like to ask the Devuan Distribution to provide a means to > > permanently remove the purple wallpapers (golinux's creation). I would > > like to have either wallpapers that users can individually choose or > > some light blue/green gradient wallpapers. > > Thank you all. > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Beaglebone black
Hello, I hope there are others here who are interested in having devuan on Beaglebone black (BBB). I'm testing devuan_ascii_2.0.0-beta_armhf_beagleboneblack.img.xz in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/embedded/ and having some problems, I cannot get hdmi to work. Booting with the factory provided debian from onboard flash shows that it isn't a hardware problem. Any help appreciated. Other things I encountered was that the kernel modules was compressed and modutils didn't have support for that, so I ended up uncompressing every module. Also adding g_cdc to /etc/modules and appending T1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyGS0 115200 xtem to /etc/inittab, made the usb serial port available for incoming calls (host system loads cdc_acm and I can use "cu" to connect to BBB's usb client port). Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out
I see, thanks for clarifying that further. As far as I've got with the quest for free hardware is ARM Cotex A7 (not affected by spectre) on the allwinner boards with the Mali GPU, which seems like an OK solution if 3d acceleration won't be used or the mali free driver project works out. I'll take a look a the T2 and see if that's viable for me on the desktop, thanks for the info. ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On March 10, 2018 8:46 AM, taii...@gmx.com taii...@gmx.com wrote: > I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if purism will be > > allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid > > the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions. > > What a shame - blobbed firmware is not "open source firmware" and the > > "LibreM" is NOT libre hardware. > > On 03/10/2018 02:51 AM, Chillfan wrote: > > > Since Purism have created a fully libre distribution > > You listen to their marketing too much :'\[ > > They haven't created anything it is literally just a debian clone with > > minor modifications to make it seem unique to the layman. > > I like the edited roadmap better. > > https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/onpon4/m/what-purism-s-road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-chart-should-look-like/ > > > it seems like that would be the reason for having a seat there. Not that > > I'm saying you're wrong here - it's important that hardware with binary > > only blobs are not endorsed by anyone as free hardware. > > > > It's true that they disable ME in their laptops according to all accounts > > anyway. > > No it isn't - the ME kernel and mask ROM still runs they simply take the > > NSA/intel at its word when they say the HAP bit shuts off ME post kernel > > boot. > > Remove the ME ROM from purisms blobbed coreboot and the system will shut > > off after 30 minutes, physically disconnect the ME processor and the > > system won't work at all thus not disabled. > > They have plenty of shills that would tell you otherwise, which is why > > you should talk to a real hardware engineer about this and similar > > matters instead. > > > Afaik it's not fully possible to remove intel ME yet, just disable it (or > > so we think) and tinker with the partitions. By definition that > > disqualifies them as producing free or libre hardware or even being certain > > ME isn't still doing something. > > Removed would be physically disconnect whereas disabled would be simply > > not running like the pre-core series thinkpads where the ME ROM is not > > included but the system is still allowed to boot and stay on past 30 > > minutes. > > I doubt intel will allow ME cleaner's nerfing mechanism to work for > > long, I seriously can't believe purism thinks they can make a successful > > company on something that could change instantly. > > > Also I haven't heard of Novena/Talos until now despite being on the lookout > > so you may have a point there. Afaict it's only crowd funding or pre order > > so far, what's the TLDR? Any others around? > > Both are real shipping products for once. > > The TALOS 2 board/cpu costs less than a non-free intel xeon system with > > comparable performance and features - the T2 has libre firmware for both > > the board and bmc plus zero hardware code signing enforcement including > > cpu microcode. > > The TALOS 2 was on display at FOSDEM, go look up the pics :D the massive > > heatsinks are for the high end 24 core CPU (4 SMT threads per core) > > POWER9 has the general stuff power users have come to expect from a > > modern workstation such as POWER-KVM, IOMMU with IOMMU-GFX, CAPI, PCI-e > > 4.0 and IBM OpenBMC. > > If you are familiar with the facebook OpenBMC that was recently ported > > to the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards IBM's is different in that it is more > > advanced with more features. > > Unfortunately for some reason the tech media only issues glorified press > > releases these days they don't do real research anymore - I have a few > > systems running raptor's libre firmware and even I had no idea it > > existed until recently. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out
taii...@gmx.com writes: I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if purism will be allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions. I've answered enough support mail to be able to explain why. Some questions aren't meant to elicit information. The questioner doesn't want information, not even if the question is "why did you chosse ...?". Rather, sending any sort of information back will just make the asker send something more. Answering such questions doesn't inform anyone, or achieve anything, it just generates more long mail. One learns to recognise this class of question. If you want an answer from the FSF, you have to ask qustions that don't sound as if answering would be a waste of time that leads only to more wasted time, with no productive result for either you or the FSF. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The FSF seems to have finally sold out
I still have not received an answer from the FSF about if purism will be allowed to fraudulently market their products at libreplanet, they avoid the question as if I never asked it whilst answering my other questions. What a shame - blobbed firmware is not "open source firmware" and the "LibreM" is NOT libre hardware. On 03/10/2018 02:51 AM, Chillfan wrote: Since Purism have created a fully libre distribution You listen to their marketing too much :'[ They haven't created anything it is literally just a debian clone with minor modifications to make it seem unique to the layman. I like the edited roadmap better. https://goblinrefuge.com/mediagoblin/u/onpon4/m/what-purism-s-road-to-fsf-ryf-endorsement-chart-should-look-like/ it seems like that would be the reason for having a seat there. Not that I'm saying you're wrong here - it's important that hardware with binary only blobs are not endorsed by anyone as free hardware. It's true that they disable ME in their laptops according to all accounts anyway. No it isn't - the ME kernel and mask ROM still runs they simply take the NSA/intel at its word when they say the HAP bit shuts off ME post kernel boot. Remove the ME ROM from purisms blobbed coreboot and the system will shut off after 30 minutes, physically disconnect the ME processor and the system won't work at all thus not disabled. They have plenty of shills that would tell you otherwise, which is why you should talk to a real hardware engineer about this and similar matters instead. Afaik it's not fully possible to remove intel ME yet, just disable it (or so we think) and tinker with the partitions. By definition that disqualifies them as producing free or libre hardware or even being certain ME isn't still doing something. Removed would be physically disconnect whereas disabled would be simply not running like the pre-core series thinkpads where the ME ROM is not included but the system is still allowed to boot and stay on past 30 minutes. I doubt intel will allow ME cleaner's nerfing mechanism to work for long, I seriously can't believe purism thinks they can make a successful company on something that could change instantly. Also I haven't heard of Novena/Talos until now despite being on the lookout so you may have a point there. Afaict it's only crowd funding or pre order so far, what's the TLDR? Any others around? Both are real shipping products for once. The TALOS 2 board/cpu costs less than a non-free intel xeon system with comparable performance and features - the T2 has libre firmware for both the board and bmc plus zero hardware code signing enforcement including cpu microcode. The TALOS 2 was on display at FOSDEM, go look up the pics :D the massive heatsinks are for the high end 24 core CPU (4 SMT threads per core) POWER9 has the general stuff power users have come to expect from a modern workstation such as POWER-KVM, IOMMU with IOMMU-GFX, CAPI, PCI-e 4.0 and IBM OpenBMC. If you are familiar with the facebook OpenBMC that was recently ported to the KGPE-D16 and KCMA-D8 boards IBM's is different in that it is more advanced with more features. Unfortunately for some reason the tech media only issues glorified press releases these days they don't do real research anymore - I have a few systems running raptor's libre firmware and even I had no idea it existed until recently. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng