[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Rob, this is exactly how I plan to use it. Can you explain Parallels and partitions a bit. If I run both OS's in tandem, how do they share RAM and CPU resources? How did you set that up? One big show stopper for me is how Mac handles windows resizing, i.e. no full screen mode. Is there a plugin or something that can be used to get around that? I know the Mac fanatics say you don't really need that and it's better with no full screen, but not for me. I want to have that option and I if I want to have more windows visible I can still choose to do so. Thanks --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
someone say SIlverlight? oh... hehehe. I actually own a MacBook Pro (work machine) iMac (24 - Personal Machine). I use the iMac (OSX mode) for a lot of my 3D and Creative tools as basically they just seem to work better, that being said I'm seeing a lot more bugs occur in mainstream 3d software on the Mac now then ever before (not sure if OSX latest iterations are holding true to the Apple It just works sells). I use Bootcamp and run Vista on my MacBook Pro as quite frankly it's probably one of the better Laptops on the market to run Vista under as the battery life is great, perf is great and screen resolution is gorgeous (given it's prescribed hardware Apple's bootcamp drivers aren't dealing with a lot variables here). Trick is to make sure you partition your HDD with the right balance as the worst feeling in the world is when you partition for 40gb and realise how fast that fills, its Nuke and re-load software all over again (that or I ghost my image). I'm not fussed with OSX to be openly honest, as once you get past the iLife experience and some random applications that are purpose built for OSX it kind of becomes this thing that you have to justify to yourself to prevent buyers remorse from creeping in. I use both Vista and OSX daily and i don't see what the folks get all religious over them both as I can think of 1000's ways to improve them both. Windows Vista for me has more software choices than OSX and I've found the dual-OS software overall to be a case of bad perf in the end (as some ISVs typically write for Windows and automate the translation of the code to a OSX language of choice). picketing on the partyline Windows Vista didn't / hasn't failed :) it still sells and its rare you'll walk into any PC store now selling XP given it's being taken off the shelves this month (XP that is)/picketing on the partyline -- Scott Barnes Product Manager Microsoft. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Tim Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use Vaio. Nothing wrong with Macbook Pro though. But, we really should get back to a Flex thread, don't you think? Plenty other places to debate Mac, Windows, and Silverlight. :-) -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
- *From:* Joseph Balderson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
select name from OS order by QUALITY desc; name linux macOS ... ... Vista, XP SP3...etc... now, i think best option for working on media and have no hardware problems would be macOS, so i recommend u to make the switch. Of course, u will miss many things from MS world, but also will get many extra things u won't find on MS world. So just be optimistic, changes, even changes for good, allways imply adpatation problems. :) MAKE THE CHANGE AND MAKE ME JEALOUS! - Mensaje original De: Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Enviado: jueves, 5 de junio, 2008 20:54:46 Asunto: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - From: Joseph Balderson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. _ _ _ _ Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash. ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ ... wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? - - -- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/flexcoders /files/flexcoder sFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail- archive.com/ flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
About that, i used to read an article about price comparing between DELL and MACS... They took the most powerfull Mac, and looked for an equal DELL. Equal i mean the same type of data bus speed, same ammount and memory speeds, same processor models (4 processors actually), etc. So, exactly the EQUAL machine. The results: Dell one was 100us$ more expensive. what was almost same price cause was over 3000us$ of course, u can get a cheaper PC, but hardware and power will have NOTHING to be. Later i did same, i looked for a Sony VAIO with EQUAL characteristics than a MacBook Pro. The VAIO was around same price, even slightly more expensive. So...REALLY...when u buy a mac, u dont pay ANYTHING for it's beautifull design, but for its powerfull hardware. I do leave that clear for everyone who choosing a mac or a pc. - Mensaje original De: Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Enviado: viernes, 6 de junio, 2008 0:50:45 Asunto: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - From: Joseph Balderson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. _ _ _ _ Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash. ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ ... wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? - - -- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/flexcoders /files/flexcoder sFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail- archive.com/ flexcoders% 40yahoogroups. comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset. com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] com -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I don't knoow Anotole, but you probably have blinders on. I'm as successful, if not more than you, and a Vaio works just fine. I'm sure if power builder was on the block there would be different comments. Please all, stay on the Flex thread. -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would stay away from Vaio for developers machine - a lot of components with proprietary Sony drivers, XP models are not compatible with Vista ones, no driver upgrades - they are OK for occasional/office user, but hard to work with if you need to re-image or add/replace hardware. The only one laptop comparable in my mind to MBP is Thinkpad T61 - good LCDs and hard drives, power supply that does work on airplane, cheap memory and comparable performance - but the quality has been declining steadily for years, so it becomes chancy. However, the parts and design are still OK for machine with lifespan of 2 years. We still buy them for our staff that goes to Windows only shops - the difference in the price for identical hardware spec is about 30%. HTH, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I would say take the plunge and get a decent mac either a Macbook pro
or PowerMac , then run VMWare Fusion as a virtual machine and do you
.net dev in that environment you can run it as a guest inside of your
OS X env and either do unity view which basically makes you windows
app native on the os x desktop take a look on their website.
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, David Pariente [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
select name from OS order by QUALITY desc;
name
linux
macOS
...
...
Vista, XP SP3...etc...
now, i think best option for working on media and have no hardware
problems would be macOS, so i recommend u to make the switch.
Of course, u will miss many things from MS world, but also will get
many extra things u won't find on MS world.
So just be optimistic, changes, even changes for good, allways imply
adpatation problems. :)
MAKE THE CHANGE AND MAKE ME JEALOUS!
- Mensaje original
De: Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Enviado: jueves, 5 de junio, 2008 20:54:46
Asunto: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark
sideApple Mac Book
Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7
out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the
Vista debacle
.. remember Windows ME? :)
Nancy
- Original Message -
From: Joseph Balderson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark
sideApple Mac Book
I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3.
_ _ _ _
Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash. ca | 705-466-6345
b_alen wrote:
Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to
Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops
will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and
integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that?
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, scottyale2008
scottyale2008@ ...
wrote:
How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've
been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first
started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on
computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do
have an
iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well
done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the
plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac
Book
Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine
or is
a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently
from Windows to Mac?
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Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
If you want to use Windows on Macbooks you also need an external keyboard and a mouse maybe. Not the most convenient package, if you need to travel. Cheers Ralf.
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Something that I have always noted is that the resale value of used Mac's tends to be a lot higher than a PC. After two years you can generally get 50% of what you paid back when you sell a Mac. With a PC, that value drops to 30% or less.
OT RE: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Uh, this is Major OT. (And I can't get one decent answer, or even non-vague guidance, to slightly OT code design patterns for localization/globalization/skinning?) From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of valdhor Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:02 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book Something that I have always noted is that the resale value of used Mac's tends to be a lot higher than a PC. After two years you can generally get 50% of what you paid back when you sell a Mac. With a PC, that value drops to 30% or less. ~WRD000.jpgimage001.jpgimage002.jpg
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
--- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh please, mac is so intuitive. yeah, right. for housewives designers - maybe :) I went through all types of Windows, a lot of Linuxes, FreeBSD, damn PDP-11 and in my opinion Mac was the least intuitive *if you need more than PS or Flex running*. Have you tried to set up SSH tunnels to Mac via Airport? Or recompile Apache with Postgres? Intuitive... ha! :) I especially like Job's favourite trick - after system update it removes all custom components settings. This is so intuitive. PS Re pricing - if Apple charges double price for the same Kingston DIMM module there is no justification for that. Even that there are no viruses or rootkits. And there are no rootkits on Mac because only the bravest people went through setting inbound SSH. Cheers, Dmitri.
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Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
You do need windows for development. I have Server 2008 in VMWare Fusion running OK - you really need 3 things to get reasonable performance:1. A lot of RAM 2. Use bootcamp drivers in VMWare on the top of Fusion ones to get access/performance of the native apple hardware like bluetooth, camera, etc 3. Fine tune VMWare as it tends to grab 1 CPU 100% in multicore mode - cures are available on Web Other option is to have bootcamp installed on the second partition - with 250/320 GB drive you can get reasonably configured dual boot system. Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
If you actually need to develop .net, run windows. If you just need to run it for some reason, VMWare is fine, although I prefer soapUI and a seperate server to run the real services (we're Oracle, not .net but Windows is Windows). -Josh On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do need windows for development. I have Server 2008 in VMWare Fusion running OK - you really need 3 things to get reasonable performance:1. A lot of RAM 2. Use bootcamp drivers in VMWare on the top of Fusion ones to get access/performance of the native apple hardware like bluetooth, camera, etc 3. Fine tune VMWare as it tends to grab 1 CPU 100% in multicore mode - cures are available on Web Other option is to have bootcamp installed on the second partition - with 250/320 GB drive you can get reasonably configured dual boot system. Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Would Parallels do the job? Just to switch to Windows, copy my swf in the IIS and test some stuff there. I wouldn't spend a lot of time on the .NET side, probably 15% of overall development time. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you actually need to develop .net, run windows. If you just need to run it for some reason, VMWare is fine, although I prefer soapUI and a seperate server to run the real services (we're Oracle, not .net but Windows is Windows). -Josh On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do need windows for development. I have Server 2008 in VMWare Fusion running OK - you really need 3 things to get reasonable performance:1. A lot of RAM 2. Use bootcamp drivers in VMWare on the top of Fusion ones to get access/performance of the native apple hardware like bluetooth, camera, etc 3. Fine tune VMWare as it tends to grab 1 CPU 100% in multicore mode - cures are available on Web Other option is to have bootcamp installed on the second partition - with 250/320 GB drive you can get reasonably configured dual boot system. Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski mitek17@ wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Probably. Visual studio's gotta be faster than eclipse the POS (if only builder had been built atop intelliJ), and I ran builder in parallels for a few weeks before switch from builder 2 to the builder 3 beta. I had to use the windows version of builder 2 because it takes Adobe so fucking long to convert a license across platforms we went through 2 betas and the final release of 3, without ever getting the damned thing. The only real problem was the lack of support for dual monitors. -Josh On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:55 PM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Parallels do the job? Just to switch to Windows, copy my swf in the IIS and test some stuff there. I wouldn't spend a lot of time on the .NET side, probably 15% of overall development time. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you actually need to develop .net, run windows. If you just need to run it for some reason, VMWare is fine, although I prefer soapUI and a seperate server to run the real services (we're Oracle, not .net but Windows is Windows). -Josh On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do need windows for development. I have Server 2008 in VMWare Fusion running OK - you really need 3 things to get reasonable performance:1. A lot of RAM 2. Use bootcamp drivers in VMWare on the top of Fusion ones to get access/performance of the native apple hardware like bluetooth, camera, etc 3. Fine tune VMWare as it tends to grab 1 CPU 100% in multicore mode - cures are available on Web Other option is to have bootcamp installed on the second partition - with 250/320 GB drive you can get reasonably configured dual boot system. Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski mitek17@ wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
If you need to build VM on Windows or move / offload server at any time to windows or linux server then VMWare is your solution. Also, VMWare is more flexible in network configuration. In terms of footprint and performance fusion and parallel are very close.Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 8:55 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would Parallels do the job? Just to switch to Windows, copy my swf in the IIS and test some stuff there. I wouldn't spend a lot of time on the .NET side, probably 15% of overall development time. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you actually need to develop .net, run windows. If you just need to run it for some reason, VMWare is fine, although I prefer soapUI and a seperate server to run the real services (we're Oracle, not .net but Windows is Windows). -Josh On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You do need windows for development. I have Server 2008 in VMWare Fusion running OK - you really need 3 things to get reasonable performance:1. A lot of RAM 2. Use bootcamp drivers in VMWare on the top of Fusion ones to get access/performance of the native apple hardware like bluetooth, camera, etc 3. Fine tune VMWare as it tends to grab 1 CPU 100% in multicore mode - cures are available on Web Other option is to have bootcamp installed on the second partition - with 250/320 GB drive you can get reasonably configured dual boot system. Regards, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:41 AM, b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Desktop is out of the question. Any experience with .net on Mac? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, Dmitri Girski mitek17@ wrote: I am just wondering, why everyone is thinking about Mac laptops? IMHO, it does not worth it. The beauty of Mac is the 24 iMac screen. If you try it you will never go back to the laptops again. Cheers, Dmitri. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, b_alen alen.balja@ wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comflexcoders% 40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Well, i guess there are many solutions...but one, maybe not viable cause of the crappy OS, is putting windows inside the mac. Another could be putting linux inside, and use the MONO development framework (similar or compatible with .Net, i'm not sure). In this 2 options u allways will have a quality hardware in the back (that mac). The 3rd would b getting .Net for the mac (isn't there a mac version??). and the 4rth, my personal oppinion, would b not using .Net at all. I can't trust/stand/support MS in anything they do XD haha just a joke ;) By the way, im also willing to change into Mac as soon as i get the money :) and work with macOS and Linux. - Mensaje original De: b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Enviado: jueves, 5 de junio, 2008 11:44:42 Asunto: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ ... wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? __ Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! La bandeja de entrada más inteligente.
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
At the risk of firing up this debate to a frenzy, what about runing macOSX on a PC box ? http://www.psystar.com/ Ben Marchbanks ::: magazooms ::: digital publishers, taking print beyond paper.. http://www.magazooms.com Greenville, SC 864.284.9918 David Pariente wrote: Well, i guess there are many solutions...but one, maybe not viable cause of the crappy OS, is putting windows inside the mac. Another could be putting linux inside, and use the MONO development framework (similar or compatible with .Net, i'm not sure). In this 2 options u allways will have a quality hardware in the back (that mac). The 3rd would b getting .Net for the mac (isn't there a mac version??). and the 4rth, my personal oppinion, would b not using .Net at all. I can't trust/stand/support MS in anything they do XD haha just a joke ;) By the way, im also willing to change into Mac as soon as i get the money :) and work with macOS and Linux. - Mensaje original De: b_alen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Enviado: jueves, 5 de junio, 2008 11:44:42 Asunto: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ups.com mailto:flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ ... wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? Enviado desde Correo Yahoo! http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mailuk/taglines/isp/control/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=52431/*http://es.docs.yahoo.com/mail/overview/index.html La bandeja de entrada más inteligente. -- Ben Marchbanks ::: magazooms ::: digital publishers, taking print beyond paper.. http://www.magazooms.com Greenville, SC 864.284.9918
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
FYI, VMWare fusion 2 (now in beta) apparently has dual monitor support in VM's. dnk On 5-Jun-08, at 6:11 AM, Josh McDonald wrote: The only real problem was the lack of support for dual monitors. -Josh
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That's good to know, cheers :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:55 AM, dnk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FYI, VMWare fusion 2 (now in beta) apparently has dual monitor support in VM's. dnk On 5-Jun-08, at 6:11 AM, Josh McDonald wrote: The only real problem was the lack of support for dual monitors. -Josh -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
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Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - From: Joseph Balderson To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com
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Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I use Vaio. Nothing wrong with Macbook Pro though. But, we really should get back to a Flex thread, don't you think? Plenty other places to debate Mac, Windows, and Silverlight. :-) -TH --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 scottyale2008@ wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I would stay away from Vaio for developers machine - a lot of components with proprietary Sony drivers, XP models are not compatible with Vista ones, no driver upgrades - they are OK for occasional/office user, but hard to work with if you need to re-image or add/replace hardware. The only one laptop comparable in my mind to MBP is Thinkpad T61 - good LCDs and hard drives, power supply that does work on airplane, cheap memory and comparable performance - but the quality has been declining steadily for years, so it becomes chancy. However, the parts and design are still OK for machine with lifespan of 2 years. We still buy them for our staff that goes to Windows only shops - the difference in the price for identical hardware spec is about 30%. HTH, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution to that? --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac? -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3162 (20080605) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- Regards, Rob Rusher Adobe Certified AIR, Connect, ColdFusion MX and Flex Instructor m: 303-885-7044 im: robrusher -- Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls. It tolls for thee. :: Josh 'G-Funk' McDonald :: 0437 221 380 :: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
We just bought 7 of these last year at our company, and we only have 2 left in service as all the others died... Ever since Lenovo took over the Thinkpad brand.. well they appear to have been going downhill. But I mean this could have been a one off, a bad batch and so on. my experience was just not so good. d On 5-Jun-08, at 5:53 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: mind to MBP is Thinkpad T61 - good LCDs and hard drives, power supply that does work on airplane, cheap memory and comparable performance - but the quality has been declining steadily for years, so it becomes chancy
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
(Slightly off-topic) Recently I wanted to get a fully-loaded, workhorse PC with XP-OEM installed, no crapware, and a matt screen (cause I cannot STAND the highly reflective screens that seem to be all the rage nowadays) -- and I found it in the Dell Latitude D830. My review here: http://www.joeflash.ca/blog/2008/04/how-i-bought-my-perfect-xp-laptop.html The other reason I bought it is that it's got a really solid construction, no cheap plastic, and without weighing a ton -- and at my former employers', that's all they would buy were the Latitude, so I know they can take quite a beating. So if you're going to buy a PC laptop, it pays to dig for the not-so-newest-fad to find quality. ___ Joseph Balderson, Flash Platform Developer | http://joeflash.ca Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: I would stay away from Vaio for developers machine - a lot of components with proprietary Sony drivers, XP models are not compatible with Vista ones, no driver upgrades - they are OK for occasional/office user, but hard to work with if you need to re-image or add/replace hardware. The only one laptop comparable in my mind to MBP is Thinkpad T61 - good LCDs and hard drives, power supply that does work on airplane, cheap memory and comparable performance - but the quality has been declining steadily for years, so it becomes chancy. However, the parts and design are still OK for machine with lifespan of 2 years. We still buy them for our staff that goes to Windows only shops - the difference in the price for identical hardware spec is about 30%. HTH, Anatole On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: They're not really pricey if you care about build and component quality and style though - Sure I could buy a cheap fugly dell for 2/3 the price, but if I were stuck in Windows I wouldn't be caught dead using consumer laptops. Lousy components, ugly and too much cheap plastic. I'd have to go for a Vaio, which is priced like a Mackbook Pro anyway. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Rob Rusher [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For years I said that I couldn't/wouldn't switch to a Mac because I always need to do Windows specific tasks. But, with the Intel-based MacBook Pro and Parallels, I have install Windows XP SP3 on a separate partition and can run the two OS in tandem. So I've been on a Mac for a little over a year now. I love the form factor of the machine; light and small. It is very powerful. I can test alpha/beta software on Windows and Mac. I can do .NET development on Windows. I do Flex/AIR development on both platforms. I'd say that I'm fat and happy, but I only weigh a buck forty. But I'm am happy! The down side, Macs are a little pricey. Regards, Rob On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Josh McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anecdote of the minute: I'm fine on my bigass iMac, but there's 2 or 3 vista laptops in the office, and soapUI seems to have some Vista incompatibilities. Could be the fact we're using 2.0.3 which AFAIK is still unreleased, but it could be Vista too :) On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Nancy Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Microsoft is already on record as pushing Windows 7 out the door as soon as possible (probably late 2009) due to the Vista debacle .. remember Windows ME? :) Nancy - Original Message - *From:* Joseph Balderson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* flexcoders@yahoogroups.com mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, June 05, 2008 11:20 AM *Subject:* Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark sideApple Mac Book I'm not trying to be glib, but don't use Vista. Use XP SP3. Joseph Balderson | http://joeflash.ca | 705-466-6345 b_alen wrote: Interesting. Me and my colleagues are also thinking of switching to Mac due to Vista crappiness. In fact we're 80% sure that next laptops will be Macs. My only concern is how to do .Net development and integration with Flex then. Anyone has a solution
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
1) gripes about flash 9 in ffox for osx seem to be my biggest bone of contention 2) ask yourself questions regarding ram - the java alone will soak up quite a bit of your background resources 3) - its even possible on a G3 - but it might take some time(see 2) IMHO the platform/OS is an irrelevance __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I took the plunge when the new Mac Book Pros came out a few months ago and couldn't be happier. I expected the switch to be somewhat painful, but was surprised how quickly I was productive again. My FlexBuilder projects just copied right over and I was up and running. The bottom line is that its just a much better overall experience as long as you don't mind the extra initial $$$ compared to a windoze laptop. Jeff
[flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
I bought my first Macbook last November for home projects. If you need dual-monitor for development, and has big monitor larger than 1280X800, buy a MBP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Macbook Pro is better built machine then any Windows one I can find. The same goes for their Mac Pro. However, it takes time and patience to live with it.Here are my first 10 things to look into while migrating: 1. You most likely will need Fusion/parallel for legacy/migration path. Macbook is limited to 3GB RAM, so VMs have limited appeal. I spend 80% of the time on the Workstation (with tons of RAM and CPU power) side and use MBP only for travel. For that, 15 models are better. If you are doing large Flex projects you are better off spending extra money on very fast workstation/being productive and enjoying the rest of the day. 2. Apple pricing is a scam - check OWC for memory/HD upgrades 3. HD is not user upgradable - however, you can do it with web tutorial for less then cost of upgrade. 4. You need external 500GB/1TB USB drive for time machine if you use MBP it for development. Do not even think about backup to NAS drives - not unless you are ok with not being able to restore. 5. You have to have 2nd large monitor - if you keep older machine you will need DVI switch (belkin has OK one for up to 1920x1200) 6. You need cooling control util (Apple settings for fan are ridiculous) and cooling pad - MBPs run really hot once you start development 7. bluetooth mouse (logitech or msft) - more usable then mighty mouse for windows users 8. Move your shared data for Windows/Mac/Linux to fast NAS drives - you do not want to deal with USB once you have two incompatible file formats. 9. Patience 10. A lot of it - for the first month you will be in the terminal window at least couple of times a day till you get your environment to your liking. On the bright side, if you are OK with unix or linux, a lot of things are much better at this level Overall the comfort level is achievable within 2-3 month. During that period be very careful with overriding system pre-installed components like MySQL as OS X versions of such widely used products have very limited support and dated versions. Hope this helps, Anatole Tartakovsky Farata Systems On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, george_w_canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my first Macbook last November for home projects. If you need dual-monitor for development, and has big monitor larger than 1280X800, buy a MBP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Oh please, mac is so intuitive. And the comments about VMachines is bogus. VMWare fusion runs windows xp and vista wicked fast on vmware fusion. so thats junk. i have 1 gig of ram on a macbook from last summer. not a pro. i use photoshop, flex, illustrator blah blah blah no memory issues. 2 gigs, perfect. 3 SWEET. Terminal? You wont need terminal unless you want to make some bi changes.Apple pricing is not a scam, consider the time spent in not worrying or paying for or spending time on spyware/virii. macbook air can read disc drives of pc or mac computers. get a macbook pro. i didnt see anything about you doing 3d rendering. otherwise get it. -e On Jun 4, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: Macbook Pro is better built machine then any Windows one I can find. The same goes for their Mac Pro. However, it takes time and patience to live with it. Here are my first 10 things to look into while migrating: 1. You most likely will need Fusion/parallel for legacy/migration path. Macbook is limited to 3GB RAM, so VMs have limited appeal. I spend 80% of the time on the Workstation (with tons of RAM and CPU power) side and use MBP only for travel. For that, 15 models are better. If you are doing large Flex projects you are better off spending extra money on very fast workstation/being productive and enjoying the rest of the day. 2. Apple pricing is a scam - check OWC for memory/HD upgrades 3. HD is not user upgradable - however, you can do it with web tutorial for less then cost of upgrade. 4. You need external 500GB/1TB USB drive for time machine if you use MBP it for development. Do not even think about backup to NAS drives - not unless you are ok with not being able to restore. 5. You have to have 2nd large monitor - if you keep older machine you will need DVI switch (belkin has OK one for up to 1920x1200) 6. You need cooling control util (Apple settings for fan are ridiculous) and cooling pad - MBPs run really hot once you start development 7. bluetooth mouse (logitech or msft) - more usable then mighty mouse for windows users 8. Move your shared data for Windows/Mac/Linux to fast NAS drives - you do not want to deal with USB once you have two incompatible file formats. 9. Patience 10. A lot of it - for the first month you will be in the terminal window at least couple of times a day till you get your environment to your liking. On the bright side, if you are OK with unix or linux, a lot of things are much better at this level Overall the comfort level is achievable within 2-3 month. During that period be very careful with overriding system pre-installed components like MySQL as OS X versions of such widely used products have very limited support and dated versions. Hope this helps, Anatole Tartakovsky Farata Systems On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, george_w_canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my first Macbook last November for home projects. If you need dual-monitor for development, and has big monitor larger than 1280X800, buy a MBP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went from CPM on a Morrow Meadows to Microsoft DOS (on computers with a Turbo button!), then Windows, now Vista. I do have an iPhone and it is an incredible device and the GUI is extremely well done. I've never used a Mac, but many of my friends have taken the plunge. Is it time to make the switch? I'm thinking about a Mac Book Pro. Is a Mac Book even worth considering for a Flex dev machine or is a Mac Book Pro the way to go? Anybody else make the switch recently from Windows to Mac?
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
Little side note, it is actually 4 gb. I have one. Not really on topic though. so *blip* On 4-Jun-08, at 3:30 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: Macbook is limited to 3GB RAM
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
e,I responded to the person who has been on msft platform for over 20 years - assuming that he has a lot of baggage he needs to take. I would be very surprised to find out if Photoshop or Illustrator were in the toolset. More likely we are dealing with software professional that needs very fast and reliable environment that includes heavy weight Java and database components. I would really like to see running LCDS Enterprise on the 1GB of RAM not to mention FlexBuilder/J2EE Server/EnterpriseDB. For that 2.5GB I would consider an entry point. Besides, assuming 20 years of experience, requirements for mobility are lower. The requirements for comfort and familiarity while maintaining productivity are higher. External monitor and decent keyboard / mouse are very high on the specs list - that is why I created top 10. As far as memory/HD goes - I am used to large 7.2K RPM drives and high memory settings in eclipse and DB - that really affects performance. Apple does not give second bay option found in Thinkpads - previous leader in notebook space - for fast drives/second battery. Given the timing I would probably wait a week till new models are announced. After 20 years a lot of strange thing become intuitive and vice versa. Please note that I do recommend MBP - and do not recommend ThinkPad or HP/Compaq or Dell at this point as even top of the line models are bad. However, underestimating enterprise drive for virtualization would be a mistake when purchasing machine that suppose to last 2 years. Sincerely, Anatole Tartakovsky Farata Systems On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 6:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh please, mac is so intuitive. And the comments about VMachines is bogus. VMWare fusion runs windows xp and vista wicked fast on vmware fusion. so thats junk. i have 1 gig of ram on a macbook from last summer. not a pro. i use photoshop, flex, illustrator blah blah blah no memory issues. 2 gigs, perfect. 3 SWEET. Terminal? You wont need terminal unless you want to make some bi changes.Apple pricing is not a scam, consider the time spent in not worrying or paying for or spending time on spyware/virii. macbook air can read disc drives of pc or mac computers. get a macbook pro. i didnt see anything about you doing 3d rendering. otherwise get it. -e On Jun 4, 2008, at 6:30 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: Macbook Pro is better built machine then any Windows one I can find. The same goes for their Mac Pro. However, it takes time and patience to live with it. Here are my first 10 things to look into while migrating: 1. You most likely will need Fusion/parallel for legacy/migration path. Macbook is limited to 3GB RAM, so VMs have limited appeal. I spend 80% of the time on the Workstation (with tons of RAM and CPU power) side and use MBP only for travel. For that, 15 models are better. If you are doing large Flex projects you are better off spending extra money on very fast workstation/being productive and enjoying the rest of the day. 2. Apple pricing is a scam - check OWC for memory/HD upgrades 3. HD is not user upgradable - however, you can do it with web tutorial for less then cost of upgrade. 4. You need external 500GB/1TB USB drive for time machine if you use MBP it for development. Do not even think about backup to NAS drives - not unless you are ok with not being able to restore. 5. You have to have 2nd large monitor - if you keep older machine you will need DVI switch (belkin has OK one for up to 1920x1200) 6. You need cooling control util (Apple settings for fan are ridiculous) and cooling pad - MBPs run really hot once you start development 7. bluetooth mouse (logitech or msft) - more usable then mighty mouse for windows users 8. Move your shared data for Windows/Mac/Linux to fast NAS drives - you do not want to deal with USB once you have two incompatible file formats. 9. Patience 10. A lot of it - for the first month you will be in the terminal window at least couple of times a day till you get your environment to your liking. On the bright side, if you are OK with unix or linux, a lot of things are much better at this level Overall the comfort level is achievable within 2-3 month. During that period be very careful with overriding system pre-installed components like MySQL as OS X versions of such widely used products have very limited support and dated versions. Hope this helps, Anatole Tartakovsky Farata Systems On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, george_w_canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I bought my first Macbook last November for home projects. If you need dual-monitor for development, and has big monitor larger than 1280X800, buy a MBP. --- In flexcoders@yahoogroups.com flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com, scottyale2008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many Flex developers here are using a Mac for development? I've been a die hard Microsoft guy since ... well, since Microsoft first started. I went
Re: [flexcoders] Re: Thinking about going to the dark side....Apple Mac Book
My apologies, have dated hardware- mine is hardware limited to 3GB - need to upgrade;) :Intel Chip TypeRAM LimitiMachttp://guides.macrumors.com/iMac_%28Intel%29Mac Mini http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_mini_%28Intel%29MacBookhttp://guides.macrumors.com/MacBookMacBook Pro http://guides.macrumors.com/MacBook_ProCore Duo (Yonah)2 GBRev A (Jan '06 to Sep '06)Rev A and B (Feb '06 to Aug '07)Rev A (May '06 to Nov '06)Rev A and B (Jan '06 to Oct '06)Core 2 Duo (Merom)3 GBRev B (Sep '06 to Aug '07)Rev C (Aug '07 and later)Rev B and C (Nov '06 to Nov '07)Rev C (Nov '06 to Jun '07)Core 2 Duo (Merom w/ Santa Rosa chipset)4 GBRev C (Aug '07 and later)None as yetRev D and E (Nov '07 and later)Rev D and E (Jun '07 and later)Core 2 Duo (Penryn)4 GBNone as yetNone as yet(Jan '08 and later)(Jan '08 and later)Core 2 Duo 1066 FSB (800 MHz RAM)4 GBApril 2008None as yetNone as yetNone as yet On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 7:14 PM, dnk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Little side note, it is actually 4 gb. I have one. Not really on topic though. so *blip* On 4-Jun-08, at 3:30 PM, Anatole Tartakovsky wrote: Macbook is limited to 3GB RAM
