Re: Welcome to Didier Roche, new Board member!
Le mardi 30 janvier 2018, à 12:01 -0800, Nuritzi Sanchez a écrit : > Welcome Didier, and thank you for accepting this position! We look forward > to working together in the months ahead. That's great news, Didier will be doing an amazing job on the board! Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: This week in Gnome?
Le jeudi 19 mai 2016, à 19:46 +, Luis Villa a écrit : > Wikimedia has a pretty good "this week in", and it adds a lot of value. But > it is a lot of work to do well. > > (I seem to recall we even used to have one in GNOME, though I can't find > evidence of that offhand. Would have been at least a decade ago.) Thanks for reminding me of the old days :-) Various people did that in the past: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/1999-July/msg00021.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2001-April/msg00034.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2002-April/msg00068.html https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/2004-March/msg00017.html I think that last one is the last that was sent, but not really sure. Cheers, Vincent > Luis > > On Wed, May 18, 2016, 6:33 PM Michael Catanzaro > wrote: > > > On Wed, 2016-05-18 at 23:36 +, John McHugh wrote: > > > Was thinking that maybe it would be a good idea to set up a this week > > > in > > > gnome blog. > > > > Can you make it happen? > > > > It sounds like a good idea to me, but it needs someone to make it > > happen. > > > > Michael > > ___ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of April 22nd, 2014
Le vendredi 09 mai 2014, à 18:09 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > * extending the term of the next board's term > * hand over at GUADEC > * up to 4 board meetings (June and July) overlap between the old and new > board Doesn't the new board officially start on July 1st? That'd leave one or two meetings of overlap until GUADEC, which is not so bad. Obviously it'd be better to have no overlap, but unless we know for sure the dates for GUADEC the year after the elections, it's hard to do so. > * may be better to extend the next board's term by one month > * more discussion on the mailing list, until the end of this week Btw, what was the conclusion (since the elections are starting)? :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.
Le lundi 16 décembre 2013, à 16:38 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit : > >>One quick question: > >>On our side, there are two options we could go for, with > >>different charges and laws associated : > > >>1) We can create a non-profit association. > > >>2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC), > >> SARL in French. > >Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the > >Foundation hire the people? > > >There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of > >legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and > >the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of > >involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might > >make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation > >to employ developers. > > I am not sure what you have in mind here, the solution we are proposing > should be pretty straight forward in term of paperwork for the Gnome > fundation. I'm not saying your proposed options are bad. I'm suggesting to step back a bit and consider if it makes sense for the Foundation to hire developers (in this case, the pitivi maintainers) in general, and consider a longer term investment, instead of contracting external people. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Technical and legal aspects of pitivi's crowdfunding campaign.
Hi, Le vendredi 13 décembre 2013, à 19:37 +0100, Mathieu Duponchelle a écrit : > Hi everyone ! > > Following a discussion with Karen Sandler and other members of the > gnome engagement team in the #engagement channel on gimpnet, > it was decided that a mail to that list would be necessary, to > expose the legal and technical aspects of the crowdfunding campaign > we are about to start around the pitivi video editor. I might have missed some info about this campaign, but it's the first time I hear about it: it would be good if you could summarize the goals and so on :-) Anyhow, I wish you the best! One quick question: > On our side, there are two options we could go for, with > different charges and laws associated : > > 1) We can create a non-profit association. > > 2) We can create a regular Limited Liability Company (LLC), > SARL in French. Have there been any thoughts about a third option: actually having the Foundation hire the people? There are probably several downsides (in terms of costs; in terms of legal paperwork, as I understand that this is about French people and the Foundation is still kind of US-centric for that matter; in terms of involvement from the Foundation; etc.). But on the other hand, it might make sense to at least think whether it's a good idea for the Foundation to employ developers. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013
Hi Karen, Le mardi 26 novembre 2013, à 00:47 -0500, Karen Sandler a écrit : > As a lawyer I want to point out that the main thing about our trademark is > to make sure that users (under the law: consumers) aren't confused about > what comes from GNOME and what doesn't. This is extremely helpful when you > have real jerks who try to distribute software that isn't GNOME or free > software but use our name and logo to fool people into downloading it.I > have seen some really bizarre uses of our logo and to my knowledge we have > only enforced when we think the use is confusing. As was also pointed out > by someone else, we've had many friendly discussions that have resulted in > better uses of the marks for all. Do you have some concrete examples of confusing/misleading uses of our logo where we had to enforce our trademark? It's been obviously quite some time, but from my years in the board, I only remember misuses that were actually not in the software field, and I wonder if things are the same or if it got worse. Also, how do we define the right balance? In the Ubuntu GNOME example, I would consider the project to be both part of the Ubuntu and GNOME communities, so imho, it should be entitled to use our trademark. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013
Hi, Le jeudi 21 novembre 2013, à 12:17 +, Allan Day a écrit : > Vincent Untz wrote: > >> Do we have examples of the guidelines "hurting us"? > > > > I can think of groups simply choosing to not use the GNOME logo anymore > > because they're afraid of not respecting the guidelines. > > I'd be interested in the specifics here. Could you send me contact > details for the groups concerned? I'd start with all the local groups that we have (see https://wiki.gnome.org/UserGroups -- it's likely outdated, though) and our downstreams (contact would be distributor-list). > > If I was > > completely new to the community, and I'd read the guidelines, I'd simply > > think that it's simpler to not use the logo at all. I'd not even ask... > > > > This hurts because I can imagine local groups not doing stickers, > > flyers, etc. because they'd be afraid of the guidelines. Back in the > > days when we started GNOME-FR, there were no guidelines so we went crazy > > and did many different things; we wouldn't have done all that with the > > current guidelines. > > Yeah, so the thing that I think we really miss is some examples of > what is cool to do. Like examples of t-shirts and stickers, and > original designs based on the logo. My understanding is that this > would require some work from the board... What about all the goodies we had at FOSDEM and GUADEC in the last 7 or 8 years? :-) > Right now the guidelines are pretty unfriendly (especially the > guidelines for third parties, which is one of the things I don't like > about them) and only really cover what you can't do, rather than what > you can. The new page I wrote makes an effort to do away with as much > unfriendliness as possible, but could be more welcoming and > accessible. Just to give an example of what we do in openSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines To be clear, this page is clearly not the most friendly page out there (too complex), but it explicitly gives many examples of what can be done without requesting permission. > >> In the Ubuntu GNOME case, I think it's fair to ask about the logo, > >> irrespective of the trademark guidelines. Their logo [1] is > >> essentially the same as the GNOME logo itself; some differentiation > >> seems beneficial for both them and us. We don't have to be unfriendly > >> about it, but then a dialogue about how they can help to support the > >> GNOME brand doesn't seem like a bad thing. > > > > Of course it's fair, but to be honest, I'm fine with them using our > > logo. Fedora and openSUSE both use our logo too: > > http://fedoraproject.org/en/get-fedora-options#desktops > > http://software.opensuse.org/131/en > > > > Sure, the context is slightly different, because you see all the flavors > > on the same page for Fedora and openSUSE, while it's not the case for > > Ubuntu GNOME. But it feels the same. > > The seem like different types of cases to me, to be honest. Using the > GNOME foot as a logo for an independent project seems of a different > type to indicating that GNOME is featured in a piece of software. (The > latter is stated as fair use by the third party guidelines, fwiw.) Here's the thing: I don't see Ubuntu GNOME as an independent project, but as the result of the work of the GNOME team in Ubuntu, in very much the same way the GNOME team in openSUSE is able to produce a pretty good openSUSE+GNOME-based live image. And quoting their wiki page: "Ubuntu GNOME is an official flavour of Ubuntu, featuring the GNOME desktop environment." [1] That seams to match pretty well what you wrote above about Fedora and openSUSE. And really, coming back to one of my initial feeling: I actually want them to use our logo so they can help promote GNOME! Cheers, Vincent [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of October 29th, 2013
Hi, Le dimanche 10 novembre 2013, à 13:43 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > * Non-profit contract with Wau Holland Stiftung > * Coming to a close > * Needs review on board-list Just for the benefit of others who might be lacking the context (I had to look at previous minutes): Wau Holland Stiftung would help us collect funds in Europe. > * Ubuntu GNOME trademark usage > * The team is using the GNOME logo for their Ubuntu spin > * We recommended they should not use the GNOME logo in the current form > * '''ACTION''': Karen to contact the Ubuntu GNOME spin team for > their use of the GNOME trademark Can we get more details on this? I'm obviously lacking context, but it sounds disappointing that downstreams cannot use the GNOME logo to promote GNOME spins/flavors they're doing. (Saying that as an openSUSE guy, who's not involved in Ubuntu GNOME in any way :-)) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question to GNOME Foundation Board candidates
Le lundi 20 mai 2013, à 22:39 +0800, Max a écrit : > Hello Fabiana > > I am not the board member, but I just think about your suggestion. > Maybe we could have a blog which all board members co-write for that blog. > And for everything board did with the article, we cloud give it a tag, for > example GUADEC or GNOME.Asia. > Foudation members could sumbit the blog RSS to see what is happening, and > go to the blog website filter the tag to see what's happen recently. Ask > some question in the blog. > > I have no idea it's good or not. Maybe wiki is a good choice too. http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/ (it's not really alive, though) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New service: Jabber.gnome.org
Le mardi 30 avril 2013, à 12:03 +0200, Andrea Veri a écrit : > I did successfully export Daniel's roster and mailed it to him. Did the > same for you, that's all I can see on the database for the entry 'vuntz'. > As a side note if any old member had an huge number of registered contacts, > I can try to retrieve them from the old database if that's really needed. > > Contact me on IRC if you need further assistance. Thanks a lot for your help (and doing that so fast!) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New service: Jabber.gnome.org
Hi, Le lundi 29 avril 2013, à 13:21 +0200, Andrea Veri a écrit : > Hello Foundation members, > > the new Jabber istance I promised I while back is ready to go. Some details > about it: Thanks for your work on this! > 1. Which software are we using? > > We're currently using Prosody [1]. > > 2. How JIDs will look like? > > JIDs will look this way: j...@jabber.gnome.org (this to prevent any > confusion between the mail alias @gnome.org and the JID used for the > jabberd service. I assume this means that XMPP subscriptions that were existing in the old server will be lost with the new server. Is it possible to get an export of the old subscriptions? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Are membership renewals generally discussed publicly on the list? (was Re: Setting moderation bit for members who consistently hijack topics)
Hi, Le jeudi 10 janvier 2013, à 12:36 -0500, Bradley M. Kuhn a écrit : > Is it standard procedure for credentials of Foundation members to be > discussed on-list like this -- particularly for existing members in good > standing? > > For example, I don't recall my own membership being discussed herein when I > was renewed; it was done in private email with the Membership Committee. Actually, such discussions are now publicly archived (even though there are still private mails every now and then, I guess): https://mail.gnome.org/archives/membership-committee/ But that only happens when the person applies (or re-applies) for membership, but not on foundation-list, and such discussions are lead by the membership committee. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 16:57 -0500, Shaun McCance a écrit : > On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:16 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > > > On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the > > > > W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some > > > > working groups > > > Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that > > > happened? > > > > There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group, > > for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this > > WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel > > Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the > > XML working group. > > Daniel is officially Red Hat's representative on the XML Core > Working Group. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't also bring > GNOME's interests to the table. One option is asking advisory > board members to put people on working groups who can represent > our interests. > > And perhaps we should just try to get more of our developers on > working groups as invited experts. I'm on the MultilingalWeb-LT > working group because of my itstool work, for example. But there > are benefits to being a member organization. Just to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't become a member organization. I'm simply giving the current board some background, given that the topic was raised several years ago. Back then, it was concluded we didn't need any of the benefits you get when you are a member; things might be different today -- I'm not aware of the context of the current discussion :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > Bonjour Vincent :-) > > Thanks a lot for your valuable input! > > On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: > > For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the > > W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some > > working groups > Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that > happened? There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group, for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the XML working group. In general we do know people at the W3C or in the relevant W3C working groups, so we can simply reach out to them to know what's the best way to contribute, and how to do so. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mardi 20 novembre 2012, à 14:44 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > * Joining the W3C > * Accessibility team have discussed the possibility of GNOME joining > the W3C in order to have a stake in the emerging standards. For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups (the invited experts can't vote, though). Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!
Hi Tristan, Le jeudi 15 novembre 2012, à 16:56 +0900, Tristan Van Berkom a écrit : > On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > > The wrong idea of course is that people think we're just removing features > > for no apparent reason even though for instance fallback mode was never > > guarantee. We need to correct those misconceptions. > > Are you saying that a fallback mode was never guaranteed ? I don't think it was guaranteed for the whole GNOME 3 lifecycle (although, I personally believe it might have been nice to do so, but our resources makes it impossible). Keep in mind that when 3.8 will be out next March, it will be nearly two years since the 3.0 relese -- that's quite some time already. [...] > Perhaps what we need is not a person/group of people working > for 'good press' and telling people that we have their best interests > at heart, but rather a bit more transparency in how we make our > decisions... reinstating our module proposals might be a good > first step towards including the whole community and getting them > more involved in decision making again. Did you miss the discussion on desktop-devel-list about the future of the fallback mode [1]? If no, how could it have been made more transparent? To me, the discussion clearly highlighted that there was a problem of manpower to keep maintaining the fallback mode an official part of GNOME, with the quality standards we expect from such an official component. Cheers, Vincent [1] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2012-October/msg00107.html -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the Board Meeting of July 13, 2012
Le vendredi 24 août 2012, à 20:07 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > Hello :) > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 05:19:00PM +0100, Emmanuele Bassi wrote: > > On 24 August 2012 16:09, Dave Neary wrote: > > > Actually, even more useful would be notice of the agenda for board > > > meetings > > > to foundation-list a couple of days before they happen. Would that be > > > possible? > > > > [...] do other board > > members and foundation members have any objection? > > > No. I really like the idea of having a public agenda. That would enable > people to participate more closely. If we could make MoinMoin render > private items only to those who are supposed to read them (maybe we find > someone to write a MoinMoin plugin..?) we would be probably be able to > expose the Agenda and the Minutes pretty much directly after the > meetings. But well, as that's likely not going to happen, we probably > will have to send the Agenda (in what ever state it will be) around > manually. A long time ago, we used to have a wiki page for the public agenda, and a wiki page for the private agenda, that was also including (via a wiki command) the public agenda. So for the board, it was no additional work. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the Board Meeting of July 24, 2012
Hi, Le vendredi 24 août 2012, à 16:03 +0100, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > * Bylaws >* Status of the bylaws >* Lots of updates: typo fixes, updates after the referenda (2004, 2007) >* Send the diff to foundation-list before GUADEC starts I don't think this was done. Can the diff get sent? :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: US Members
Le vendredi 03 août 2012, à 14:05 -0700, Luis Villa a écrit : > Didn't we have a map of member locations at some point? Or was that just > p.g.o blogs? https://live.gnome.org/GnomeWorldWide Not sure if the map is still being automatically updated, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Suggestions for format of AGM next year
Hi all, I thought a bit about the AGM we had a few days ago, and I'd like to suggest we find a different format for next year. Here's a list of issues with the current format, from what I saw this year: - it was a bit too long. A small break might have helped. - the discussion about changing the release team had to be cut, because it would have used too much time needed for the other reports. However, I think this is a discussion a lot of people cared about and that could have been used more time. Especially since we had everyone in a room, which helps communication. Hopefully, the GNOME OS BoF was useful for this (I missed it, so don't know). - I didn't feel there was a lot said about the Foundation itself. Sure, there were a few slides at the end, but that was not that much detailed, and because of the short remaining time, it went really fast. - obviously, we should have had time for questions. Questions from the members, but also from the board to members (to bootstrap discussion on some topics). - it might be a good idea to have some kind of document sent before the AGM to foundation-list or the members, so we have more details about what's going to be discussed. This could be just the slides, or something different. Having some time to ponder about the content is useful, and that could lead to more questions or some improved discussion. Note that I'm not blaming the board or anyone. I could as well blame myself as a past board member or as someone who worked on the schedule for this GUADEC :-) I know the KDE eV is using a full day for their AGM at Akademy. This leaves a lot of time for discussion. That being said, I'm not sure that'd work well for us: would we be happy to dedicate a full day to this? I'm not so sure, as the GUADEC program is already full. Another approach would be to split the team reports and the AGM in two different slots. Easy to do and not that much impact. Probably something we could try next year? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: AGM Meeting: Proposal (on p.g.o)
Le dimanche 29 juillet 2012, à 11:23 +0200, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > I was of the opinion that Alberto (the p.g.o editor) should be working > with the marketing team to make sure that blogs relevant to following > the development of GNOME get added to p.g.o. That would mean yes to > commit-digest and no to gnome-memes. If we add those feeds, I think it'd be nice to style them a little bit differently on pgo so that it's obvious that they're not personal blogs. This is useful for people who'll want to skim over pgo and only read those news. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Database's machine DOWN
Le dimanche 03 juin 2012, à 21:19 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit : > On Sun, Jun 03, 2012 at 06:02:38PM +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > > we applied today a few updates on our main Mysql host (drawable) and a > > faulty reboot prevents the machine to get up again. > > > > We've contacted the Red Hat IT already and hopefully the issue will be > > fixed anytime soon. (no ETA though) > > Hardware (RAID) problems. This is going to take a while. Meaning: > setting up mysql and restoring backups. People are still working on it. Is the sql database for the elections impacted by this? If yes, is there a risk that some votes got lost? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Conference about Gnome in my french school
Salut, Le mardi 03 avril 2012, à 22:02 +0200, Albin a écrit : > Dear Sirs, > > Before everything else, I will introduce myself. I am actually a french > student. I am studying for my engineer degree in computer sciences. > > My school teaches us a lot of different contents during the formation. > There are some conferences during the 3 last years of this formation, > during which students can listen to professionals working in their future > domain. > > Unfortunately, a very few are about Linux world or "just" explain some very > tricky points. A lot of students are thinking that Linux is only for > scientific and "hard" problems resolution. Personally, I don't think so, so > I want to show this point of view to students of my school. > > I think that Gnome helps to make the Linux world more user-friendly and > make able non-fully qualified people to access to the Linux provided tools. > With this goal in mind, I would like to organize a conference in my school, > also in french language, with for title "Linux is for common users too" or > something like that. > > Before to go to my school's administration, I would like to speak to some > Gnome involved people. So I wish I am writing to the correct list. For > information, the person in the CC field is a school-friend. > > Thank you very much for reading me. Hoping we can make something together. This is a great idea! I'm not sure who would be able to go to Tours (it's likely easier for people in Paris than for others), but we can try to make it work. We can discuss all this on the gnome-fr-list, I suggest you join it and start a thread there :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME.Asia 2012 Official Announcement
Richard, Le mardi 21 février 2012, à 07:10 -0500, Richard Stallman a écrit : > There are several countries in Asia which require their visitors to > give fingerprints. These include South Korea, Japan, and Malaysia. > Indonesia may be starting to do this too. > > I hope we will avoid those countries. The US also require visitors to give their fingerprints. This actually lead some of our contributors to avoid events like the Boston Summit. Still, I think it's important that we do events in as many countries as possible (even in those with such a policy), since it's the best way to reach out to the local people and help create a vibrant community there. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: The GNOME Foundation has a new home
Le vendredi 17 février 2012, à 00:15 +0100, Andrea Veri a écrit : > The new Foundation's website can be reached at the following link: > > http://www.gnome.org/foundation That's great news! The old website was starting to feel really outdated ;-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Submitted GNOME booth for LinuxTag 2012
Le dimanche 12 février 2012, à 16:07 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > I'd also like if we could submit many GNOMEy talks this year. So if you > have a slight idea about what to present, don't hesitate to register > (with the rather complex thing) at https://vcc.linuxtag.org/ or ask me > and we'll walk it through. I think the CfP for LinuxTag ended in January :/ Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - November 29, 2011
Le mardi 24 janvier 2012, à 17:38 +, Emmanuele Bassi a écrit : > Wiki: https://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/2029 Thanks for the minutes! Note that the wiki version still has some ACL and is not readable (same for the minutes for the three other meetings). Could you fix it? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Boston Summit logistics (was Re: Desktop Summit Planning)
Richard, Le vendredi 16 décembre 2011, à 10:39 -0500, Richard Stallman a écrit : > Thanks so much for offering to look into this, Richard! I hear that the > Stata Center was a better location in the past than the Economics Building > if we have the choice... > > When it was in the Stata Center, which rooms were they? If I get the > room numbers, I will know exactly what to ask for. I never went to a Boston Summit in the Stata Center, but in 2004 and 2005, we had rooms 124 and 144 (according to schedules on the wiki: http://live.gnome.org/Boston2004/TheSchedule and http://live.gnome.org/Boston2005/TheSchedule) In the last few years, I think we had E51-315, E51-325, E51-335, E51-345 (in the Tang Center). Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: proposal to change GNOME's trademark guidelines
Le mercredi 27 juillet 2011, à 20:13 -0400, Karen Sandler a écrit : > > This requirement is waived in all contexts where such marks are not > > normally included, such as email, online discussion, package names, > > non-graphical advertisements (when permitted), and academic papers. > > We encourage the use of the symbol whenever possible, but recognize > > that many non-commercial and informal uses will omit it. > > We want to make sure that people can use GNOME software and talk about it > freely without unreasonable restrictions. The aim is to adopt this > amendment to the policy in two weeks if there are no objections. Public > discussion here about it would be great, and folks can contact me > privately too if they want to. +1 for this change. But I wonder if we shouldn't go further: I find it really ugly that we have to put the TM next to the GNOME logo on our t-shirts, for instance... If this is covered by the "many non-commercial and informal uses" that will omit the symbol, then I actually wonder: when should it not be omitted? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Board Elections Spring 2011 - Preliminary Results
Hi, Le mardi 14 juin 2011, à 22:50 +0200, Andrea Veri a écrit : > Candidates in order of (first) votes received, with affiliations: Quoting myself, from last year [1]: "May I suggest that, in the future, you don't put this list in the announcement since it's different from the results? It was a bit confusing at first (for me, at least) to have two different lists :-)" [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2010-June/msg00131.html [...] > If the results are not challenged, then the elected directors will be: > > Shaun McCance > Emmanuele Bassi > Stormy Peters > Bastien Nocera > Brian Cameron > Germán Póo-Caamaño > Ryan Lortie Congratulations to the new board! It looks like it'll be a fun ride with great people! And thanks again to the elections committee! Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Hi, Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 15:55 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : > On 23/05/11 15:08, Dodji Seketeli wrote: > >Martyn Russell a écrit: > > > >> > >>That's always needed too of course, but when you have potential > >>customers asking who can provide support for projects X, Y and Z, do > >>you really want to be in a position where you have no answer? > > > >Oh, you mean when a potential customer comes to the /Foundation Board/, > >asking that question? > > Indeed. > > >I didn't understand it that way. Sorry to ask a question as a reply, > > No problem at all ;) > > >but does that happen already? If yes, how did the board handle it so > >far? > > Yes, I believe so, perhaps Vincent can best comment here. While the companies we talk to usually have evaluated the GNOME world and know about companies like Collabora, Codethink, Igalia, Lanedo, etc., it can happen that the board gets contacted to introduce people. FWIW, the two specific examples I remember are: - at FOSDEM, someone from a company I forgot discussed multitouch with me while I was on the booth and was wondering about multitouch support in GTK+ and who to contact for that. The fact that I was on the board was not really relevant, though -- I just happened to be on the booth, really. - at GUADEC, someone wanted to meet the Lanedo people and came to me to make that happen, because I was on the board (well, okay, I wasn't anymore since I had just left, but you get the point :-)). In that case, the person already knew Lanedo. When Stormy was ED, she might have been contacted for that kind of things too. So I wouldn't say it happens very often, but it does happen every now and then. That being said, the issue is not "what do we do when potential customers come and ask us?" (we can easily redirect them to all the companies in our ecosystem), but "how do we make sure potential customers don't believe there is no ecosystem to help them?". And for that, a webpage is a good start, I think. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME booth at LinuxTag 2011 - openSuSE DVDs
Hi, Le lundi 16 mai 2011, à 17:58 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > Also many thanks to openSuSE for their Live DVDs. They were highly > appreciated and we could use them very efficiently to attract people and > start conversations. > If you happen to want a box of DVDs, contact me or Vincent. We'll > somehow arrange shipping. I've added more specific instructions to request DVDs at https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/PromoDVD Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le lundi 23 mai 2011, à 00:14 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit : > > It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board > > should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think > > that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I > > think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board > > permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. > > Two questions on this: > > - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself? > > - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the >GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? Sorry for the second mail, but I wanted to clarify that I'm not implying you should not run for the board :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Lionel Dricot
Le dimanche 22 mai 2011, à 23:45 +0200, Lionel Dricot a écrit : > It would have been easy to criticize, to say loudly that the board > should improve the situation without moving a single finger. But I think > that, if you want something to happen, you have to make it yourself. I > think that the GNOME companies should be represented on the board > permanently. That's why I took the decision to stand for election. Two questions on this: - why do you need to be on the board to make it happen yourself? - isn't the Advisory Board, and not the Board, the group where the GNOME companies (and others, obviously) should be represented? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 29th, 2011
Le mardi 26 avril 2011, à 10:52 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : > On 26/04/11 08:34, Vincent Untz wrote: > >Le mardi 26 avril 2011, à 08:11 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : > >>I get the feeling there isn't much interest in this? > > > >You should take silence as "people should feel free to go ahead and do > >it" instead of as a sign of no interest, imho :-) > > I would be happy to instantiate this, however, the only web space I > really control is the GTK+ website and the Tracker website. I would > rather not start putting Lanedo service advertisements directly on > there, but rather link to a central place on gnome.org. > > Alternatively, I could start a live.gnome.org page to thrash out the > details (for review) and then perhaps put something on: I think putting some draft on a wiki page (or anywhere else) is a good start). > http://www.gnome.org/support-gnome/ Ah, this one is about "How people are supporting, as in helping, GNOME (with time and money)". I guess we'd want another page -- it's a bit of an issue that "support" can be used in those two ways, it's a bit confusing. Maybe "commercial-support"? Anyway, the web team can certainly find a good name once we have content :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 29th, 2011
Le mardi 26 avril 2011, à 08:11 +0100, Martyn Russell a écrit : > I get the feeling there isn't much interest in this? You should take silence as "people should feel free to go ahead and do it" instead of as a sign of no interest, imho :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for Summer of Code ideas
Hi all, Good news: GNOME has been accepted as a mentoring organization for GSoC 2011, woo :-) If you want to be a mentor, please apply with the following form: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/mentor/request/google/gsoc2011/gnome Also, it's not too late to add ideas to the wiki page, see Christophe's mail below. I'm sure we can have many more GNOME 3-related ideas! Cheers, Vincent Le lundi 07 mars 2011, à 11:27 +0100, Christophe Fergeau a écrit : > Hiya GNOME lovers! > > It's that time of the year again: Google's Summer of Code is > approaching. We are in the midst of preparing it all [1] but we need > your help by submitting great project ideas. Student proposals will > start to roll in on March 28, but we'd like to make sure there are > plenty of projects from them to choose from and have mentors ready to > volunteer their time. > > So what should you do? Please visit [2] and enter your project ideas > under the "Other Ideas" section. A committee will be formed up > later to triage the ideas prior to the opening of the proposal period. > > If you would like to volunteer your time to mentor but don't have a > project idea, surf over and claim one. Mentoring is an awesome way to > get more involved with the community and introduce someone to it. > > If you would like to throw your hat in the ring for the triaging or > selection committees and other GSoC related tasks, pop on over to > #soc-admin, join the soc-mentors-list and let one of the > administrators for the program know you want to be involved in making > GNOME rock. > > This year's administrators are Vincent Untz, Ruben Vermeersch, Christophe > Fergeau and Daniel Siegel. > > Cheers, > The GNOME Google Summer of Code Administrators > > [1] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2011 > [2] http://live.gnome.org/SummerOfCode2011/Ideas > -- > devel-announce-list mailing list > devel-announce-l...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/devel-announce-list > -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Stock trademark licensing agreements?
Le mercredi 16 mars 2011, à 17:40 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Vincent Untz wrote: > > openSUSE has trademark guidelines: > > http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines > > > > The guidelines explicitly authorizes some common uses for the openSUSE > > trademark, with no form to fill. > > Good guidelines for what the holder is OK with are great - but not quite > what I was hoping for. I'm thinking more along the lines of > http://foundation.gnome.org/licensing/usergroup/ Well, that's kind of covered in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines#Advocacy_Groups isn't it? The openSUSE approach is to authorize what is thought reasonable / fair, without any form, and for everything else, explicitly require that permission is asked. > This is stuff which falls outside of the normal guidelines, that we > won't let everyone do, but which we're happy for some people to do, > under certain conditions. I guess my point is something like this: if we can define those "certain conditions" and say it's okay to use the trademark in those cases, isn't it fine to just skip the form? Okay, I guess that's a question for a lawyer... Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Stock trademark licensing agreements?
Le mercredi 16 mars 2011, à 16:06 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : [...] > This was the idea behind the GNOME user group agreement. Has anyone else > done anything similar? Did it help the community feel more control over > the project brand? openSUSE has trademark guidelines: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines The guidelines explicitly authorizes some common uses for the openSUSE trademark, with no form to fill. They're being improved right now, and the latest draft can be seen at: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-03/msg00321.html I do believe it did help the community feel more control, yes. Of course, that's a bit different than in the GNOME case: the general feeling before those guidelines was that the trademark was completely controlled by Novell (who owned it) -- and we can't simply compare a company with lawyers, like Novell, to the GNOME Foundation. But it did help :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Website content licensing
Le lundi 14 mars 2011, à 09:43 +, Allan Day a écrit : > The GNOME project is the copyright holder. Does this mean it is > straightforward to make the switch in these two instances? Do we require > a formal OK from the foundation? I think you're referring to the footer on the web page? I believe the GNOME project being marked as copyright holder here is just a way to say "copyright held by many contributors to the GNOME project". I don't think anybody signed any paper to assign copyrights for the website changes that were done to the Foundation. So to answer your question: it is probably more complex than what you're hoping :/ Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Dropping TM when using GNOME Brand?
Le mercredi 02 mars 2011, à 09:09 -0600, Brian Cameron a écrit : > > Vincent: > > >A few years ago, it was agreed that it's fine to use the GNOME logo with > >just GNOME instead of GNOME™: the trademark is still valid even if we > >don't explicitly put the ™. Is this still valid? > > > >Use cases: > > - GNOME logo during boot of the GNOME 3 live image > > - GNOME logo in the System Information panel of the control center > > - etc. > > I asked our legal folks this question, and they responded as follows: > > > Yes, it is recommended that you generally use the Tm, but in isolated > > instances it's fine to go without. > > I hope this is helpful. I understand that as "it's okay to remove the TM in the two examples I gave". If someone disagrees, shout loud :-) Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 15th, 2011
Hi, Thanks for the minutes! It's good to see we're using money for great stuff. Just one question: Le mardi 01 mars 2011, à 14:11 -0600, Brian Cameron a écrit : > * Dave Neary's Advisory board request > o ACTION: Paul to send email to the Advisory Board to request > for help. What is the request? :-) There is no context, so it's hard to know. Maybe it's a private item, though? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Dropping TM when using GNOME Brand?
Hi, A few years ago, it was agreed that it's fine to use the GNOME logo with just GNOME instead of GNOME™: the trademark is still valid even if we don't explicitly put the ™. Is this still valid? Use cases: - GNOME logo during boot of the GNOME 3 live image - GNOME logo in the System Information panel of the control center - etc. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Finance-related documents on two pages
Le jeudi 24 février 2011, à 12:35 -0600, Paul Cutler a écrit : > Hi Vincent, > > This seems like a good idea. Help is always is appreciated. ;) Any preference from the board (well, from Germán, I guess, since he's likely the one who's going to update the future unique) for one of the two pages? I'd think having all this on our website instead of the wiki would be better, but I do understand it's much easier to update the wiki... Vincent > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > I was looking around for the budget and I see that we have two pages for > > finane-related documents: > > > > http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/ > > http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/FinancialStatus -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Finance-related documents on two pages
Hi, I was looking around for the budget and I see that we have two pages for finane-related documents: http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/ http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/FinancialStatus Should we merge them somehow? Want help for that? Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: SFC, GNOME Foundation (WAS Re: Meeting Minutes Published - February 1st, 2011)
Le vendredi 18 février 2011, à 10:24 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > I think we should be willing to do for GNOME projects what the SFC does for > their projects. Big +1. That's one of the goals of the Foundation, imho; and as Stormy points out, we already do that for some projects. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Official announcement and invitation to GNOME 3.0 Hackfest and GNOME.Asia Summit 2011
Le vendredi 21 janvier 2011, à 23:41 +0800, Frederic Muller a écrit : > So Hackfest registration is happening here: > http://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/GNOME.Asia2011 , call for papers for > the conference is here http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia/CallForPaper > and conference registration will be opening soon. What's the plan on the marketing team side? Do we have people who can go? I didn't see any replies on marketing-list to the previous mails, unless I missed something. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Policy on Copyright Assignment
Hi, Several months ago, the Release Team contacted the GNOME Foundation to know what should be done if a module proposed for inclusion in GNOME requires a copyright assignment. There was no policy for this at that time, so the Board discussed the topic with the Advisory Board and asked Bradley Kuhn and Michael Meeks to draft a policy. After some iterations and feedback from various people, the policy was approved by the board. You can find the whole policy at: http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment The very short summary is that the inclusion of a new module in GNOME that requires copyright assignment has to be explicitly approved on a case-by-case basis by both the Release Team and the GNOME Foundation Board. The decision will be made based on criteria explained in the policy as well as in this additional document: http://live.gnome.org/CopyrightAssignment/Guidelines Note that this does not cover external dependencies. This clarifies a situation where the Release Team was faced with a decision it was uncomfortable to take alone, since it implied non-technical aspects. We feel that this policy and the criteria that are considered for decisions by the Release Team and the Board reflect the position of the community. Many thanks to Bradley and Michael who worked hard to produce those two documents, and to adjust them based on feedback that was received! Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Ensuring GNOME 3 is a Success
Le jeudi 24 juin 2010, à 06:19 -0700, Sandy Armstrong a écrit : > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Brian Cameron > wrote: > > > >> You let us know overwhelmingly that ensuring that GNOME 3 is a success > >> is the #1 priority that the GNOME Foundation should be working on > >> according to the survey Stormy ran last January.[1] > > > > Sorry, but the reference in my previous email pointed to a non-public > > link. The survey I am talking about is here: > > > > [1] > > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2010-January/msg00135.html > > Our of curiosity, are the results of this survey public? We just realized they're not. We're working on it :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
GNOME Speaker Guidelines
Hi, Several months ago, people raised the issues of some inappropriate comments made during various talks. The board worked on resolving those issues, and then proposed the creation of guidelines to have better ways to limit such inappropriate comments, as well as to answer similar issues that would be raised in the future. The result is a document listing a set of guidelines to help speakers avoid offending the audience, in order to have the talks enjoyed by as many people as possible: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines We would like to encourage everybody who will deliver at a talk at a GNOME event, or who will represent GNOME with a GNOME talk at other events, to go read those guidelines! Many thanks to Matthew Garrett for his initial work on this, and to the community for the feedback sent after we've published a draft of this document. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Foundation Board Elections Spring 2010 - Preliminary Results
Hi, Le mercredi 16 juin 2010, à 01:57 +0200, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > Candidates in order of (first) votes received, with affiliations: May I suggest that, in the future, you don't put this list in the announcement since it's different from the results? It was a bit confusing at first (for me, at least) to have two different lists :-) [...] > If the results are not challenged, then the elected directors will be: > > Brian Cameron > Emily Chen > Paul Cutler > Og Maciel > Germán Póo-Caamaño > Andreas Nilsson > Bastien Nocera Congratulations to Emily, Brian, Paul, Og, Germán, Andreas and Bastien! Diego, Jonh, Baris, Seif: I'm sure you'll find ways to contribute to the Foundation without being on the board! > The Committee would like to thank all the voters and all the candidates. And thanks to the elections committee! :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Voting with nonfree software???
Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 18:16 -0400, Richard Stallman a écrit : > Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's > the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-) > > Can we use GPLv3+? That would set a good example for developers > of other programs. I usually release my code under GPLv2+ or some BSD/MIT license. I don't want to change this until I find enough time to look closely at all this so I can decide if I'm happy with the change. (I invite people willing to convince me one way or the other to reply privately, since I doubt this is of interest to foundation-list) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Voting with nonfree software???
Le lundi 14 juin 2010, à 09:43 +0100, Dave Neary a écrit : > Hi, > > Tobias Mueller wrote: > >> I looked at the page source; the code is nontrivial, so the issue > >> is nontrivial too. > >> > >> Would you please put a free software license on that Javascript code > >> today? I will try again to vote tomorrow and Sunday. > >> > > Dave, AFAIK does the JavaScript part come from you (not to blame you ;-) > > ), so would you put the code under a free license? > > Yes - and of course, please put the code under GNU GPL v2.0 or later, if > there is no other licence on it already. > > Note that this is a modified version of what was used before: > http://git.gnome.org/browse/foundation-web/tree/foundation.gnome.org/vote Oh, so that's based on the code that I wrote a few years ago? If that's the case, let's say it's GPLv2+ too :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 11:54 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're > > doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting > > them. > > But would't you like to have the points you disagree with be discussed or > reevaluated? Sure. And this can happen if I have time. > I think this is the issue the community is facing. There is a difference > between "We are going to do it like that because we think its right, and > that is how it is gonna be" and "We are doing it like that because we think > it is right, but we are open for discussion" > Right now the Shell developers are somewhere between both stand points. I > know some developers who were able to cooperate with them. But I think > more transparency around discussions and evaluations are missing. Really, how is it different from what's happening in any other module? I can certainly blame Guillaume and Xavier for not being able to have metacontacts in empathy today while it's something I asked two years ago; but they've chosen to do it the way they believe is right, which happens to take more time. What was the way for me to change this? It's easy: I could have get more involved and send a patch. That's the same for GNOME Shell. (Except that for the design part, you don't send a patch, you participate in a discussion and the discussion should be well argued.) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell
Le jeudi 03 juin 2010, à 01:13 -0400, Sergey Panov a écrit : > On Wed, 2010-06-02 at 20:45 -0700, Sandy Armstrong wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Sergey Panov wrote: > > > I sense a suspicion from the outsiders (not RedHat employees) that > > > project is not just manned by the RedHat employees, but controlled by > > > the company > > > > It's controlled by the people doing the work, like any other project. > > > > What does it mean to be "controlled by the company"? It sounds a bit > > far-fetched. > > I was not speaking for myself, I still hope RedHat is an unusual > company. But I can see how people can project their own experiences in > the corporate environment on inner workings of RedHat. In other > companies, the lead engineers are interacting with FOSS communities > directly, but the "dark cardinals"(aka managers) control development > behind the scene. Let me try to address the suspicion you're highlighting here, with a few examples we could have if we follow the same kind of rationale: - empathy is controlled by Collabora - gnome-panel is controlled by Novell - gobject-introspection is controlled by Litl. Or Red Hat now. Or both. - orca is/was controlled by Sun/Oracle. - etc. It's just the way maintainership works. We can always assume there are dark cardinals or whatever. Or we can see who are the people working on those projects and see if we trust them based on what they achieved in our community. I do trust Guillaume, Xavier, Johan, Colin, Willie and many other people from various companies. (I kind of trust myself too ;-)) Now, why wouldn't we trust Owen and Jon for GNOME Shell? And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting them. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
A few questions for the candidates
Hi, I originally wanted to have some questions included in the list of questions sent by the membership committee, but I feel like waiting for Friday while the voting period is already opened is waiting a long time and I'm not being patient here :-) I apologize because some of those questions are most likely a bit easier to answer for people who are already on the board... 1) I've read with interest the mails from the candidates announcing they're running, and most (if not all -- I didn't double-check) include some motivations with examples of what they'd be interested in working on. Why are those tasks/ideas things you cannot work on while not being on the board? 2) What are your non-usual (ie, not code, not translations, not documentation, etc.) contributions as a GNOME Foundation member? (organizing events, pushing people to do things, finding sponsors, etc. are all possible answers) 3) What is your opinion on the co-location of Akademy and GUADEC in 2011? And if you think it was not the best choice, will you still be able to help it happen? 4) How much free time per week do you think you will be able to allocate for the board? (I'm very well aware that this could be 0 for some weeks, and 100% of your time for other weeks; I'm just asking in general) 5) Are you okay giving up some of your current GNOME responsabilities/activities to join the board? (give up a maintainer hat, or hack less, or participate less in a specific team) Or do you think it won't be necessary and why? (I know it's a bit related to the previous question :-)) 6) Will you be interested in being treasurer, president or secretary if elected? If yes, which role and why? 7) What do you think of the current GNOME Foundation budget? Had you read it at least once before reading this mail? (it's okay if you didn't look at it before, btw) 8) What do you think our next fundraising campaign should be about? (I'd love to not read 11 times the same answer, thanks :-)) 9) Will you be at GUADEC this year? (there's a board meeting and an advisory board meeting there) 10) Make or break question: what's your favorite french expression? Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Candidacy: Seif Lotfy
Hi, Le mardi 01 juin 2010, à 22:16 +0200, Seif Lotfy a écrit : > On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 5:37 PM, Johannes Schmid wrote: > * Why do you think our infrastructure is limiting? > > The development happening on Launchpad (not bazaar) really beats what GNOME > provides in several aspects, starting bug management, blueprinting and > linking with branches. There are a lot of nice projects there that are not > part of GNOME because of the GNOME Infrastructure: GNOME Do, Docky, Getting > Things GNOME... These projects are in their own rights very successful and > used by the community. And by allowing them to deploy per default with GNOME > would just benefit the GNOME community... FWIW, there's an imminent announcement from the release team about moduleset reorganization that will have an impact on this. Hopefully, Lucas will send the mail tonight if I write this here ;-) > > * For the company statements IMHO despite I don't know anything about > > the Unity plans I think those arent' true. Could you explain? > > > > > I am not saying its true but sooner or later RH will want to deploy GNOME > Shell on the netbooks just like Unity will at some point put an eye on the > desktop... Its naive to asssume both will not try to assume positions in the > netbook and desktop market... I don't know if Red Hat will want to deploy GNOME Shell on netbooks, but GNOME will certainly want to have GNOME Shell work fine on netbooks. And as far as I know (and please correct me if I'm wrong) GNOME Shell is designed to have a UI that works for netbooks. FWIW, in your answers, you make it sound like GNOME Shell is just a Red Hat project. Red Hat is certainly a driving force behind it, contributing a lot, but it's a GNOME project, with many other contributors. Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2010 - The candidates
Le mercredi 26 mai 2010, à 15:13 +0200, Olav Vitters a écrit : > Probably said somewhere, but how many people will be in the board? 7? Yes, no change, still 7. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Deadline to announce candidacies is tonight UTC (was Re: Announcing GNOME Board of Directors Foundation Elections Spring 2010)
Hi, Le mardi 04 mai 2010, à 00:45 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : > CANDIDACY > = > > If you want to run for one of the seven places in the Board of > Directors, send an email to foundation-annou...@gnome.org and > electi...@gnome.org with your full name, e-mail, corporate affiliation > (if any), and a description of your reasons for wanting to serve as a > director. > > Candidacies must be announced prior to 2010-05-23, 23:59 UTC. I just want to remind everyone that this deadline is in less than 7 hours. I hope we'll have many people sending their candidacy soon to make sure we maintain our long tradition of last-minute candidacies :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Starting the process for this year's Boston Summit
Hi, Le mercredi 19 mai 2010, à 10:25 -0400, John Palmieri a écrit : > The reasons for piggybacking the Plumbers conference is that a number > of our fellow GNOMies will already be in Boston and we might get a few > stragglers from other parts of the Linux stack to stop by and offer > their perspective. I lean towards keeping our usual date, but if moving to November can help get more people that we'd want to have at the Summit (because it's easier for companies, from a travel budget perspective), then it's a different story. Do we have any idea how many fellow GNOMies will go to the Plumbers conference but not to Boston Summit, and who? (for example, based on people who participated to the events last year) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Call for hosts for Akademy/GUADEC 2011: deadline extended
The KDE and GNOME communities are looking for a host for the Desktop Summit 2011, the prime free desktop software event in 2011. The Desktop Summit is the joining of the annual conferences of KDE and GNOME, following up on the success of the Gran Canaria Desktop Summit. To give potential hosts some more time to prepare quality proposals, the boards have decided to extend the submission deadline to June 9th 2010. For details see the call for hosts [1]. Please send your proposals for hosting the Desktop Summit 2011 to the boards of KDE e.V. (kde-ev-bo...@kde.org) and the GNOME Foundation (board-l...@gnome.org) no later than June 9th. Please also feel free to contact us in case of any questions. Vincent [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2010-March/msg4.html -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, April 24th
Le mercredi 21 avril 2010, à 07:11 +0200, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hi, > > The next IRC meeting of the Foundation will be held next Saturday. Or > Friday, depending on where you live :-) (As a reminder, we decided to > rotate the meeting time every month) > > When: Saturday, April 24th, from 00:00 to 01:00 UTC > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation Oh, and I'll be (hopefully) on a plane to Europe, so I won't chair this meeting, but there will be a better person to replace me :-) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, April 24th
Hi, The next IRC meeting of the Foundation will be held next Saturday. Or Friday, depending on where you live :-) (As a reminder, we decided to rotate the meeting time every month) When: Saturday, April 24th, from 00:00 to 01:00 UTC Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation This is the morning in Australia, morning/night in Asia, night in Europe, afternoon/evening in Americas. To make sure you don't miss it, you can find your local time for the meeting: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=24&year=2010&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 The IRC meetings are really a good opportunity to raise your voice and to discuss topics that are of interest to you. That's why we want you to join and to help prepare the agenda! You can add the agenda items you'd like to discuss to http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda For reference, the minutes of the last meeting are available at: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100327 Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A $60/year Frinedship option for students
Le jeudi 01 avril 2010, à 11:54 +0300, Osama KM a écrit : > Hello, > > As GNOME Foundation is trying to increase the individual donations, I think > it's important to add an option for students who wants to support GNOME > financially, an option similar to FSF's $60/year. > > Many GNOME users are actually students, who may want to contribute to several > free software projects, and the current $120/year option may not be available > for them. If you select the monthly option, you can actually choose the amount you want to donate monthly. So you can put $5, I think. Not sure what happens for the postcard/t-shirts in this case, though. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, March 27th
Le samedi 27 mars 2010, à 15:18 +, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 16:02 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le mercredi 24 mars 2010, à 05:00 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > > > Hi, > > > > > > As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going > > > to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: > > > > > > When: Saturday, March 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC > > > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation > > > > Reminder: the meeting starts in 1 hour (if I'm not lost in timezone > > conversion again). And it's not too late to add agenda items: > > It started 2 minutes before you sent your mail. Hrm, I think you're talking about the meeting to triage GSoC ideas, which is a different one ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, March 27th
Le mercredi 24 mars 2010, à 05:00 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hi, > > As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going > to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: > > When: Saturday, March 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation Reminder: the meeting starts in 1 hour (if I'm not lost in timezone conversion again). And it's not too late to add agenda items: > So please add the agenda items you'd like to discuss to > http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda > Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page: > http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 18, 2010
Le vendredi 26 mars 2010, à 10:01 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > On Thu, 2010-03-25 at 21:31 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le jeudi 25 mars 2010, à 15:56 -0500, Brian Cameron a écrit : > > > * Code of Conduct and the Speaker Guidelines > > > o The board decided to vote to approve the proposed Code of > > > Conduct and Speaker Guidelines at the next board meeting, > > > and to require new Foundation members to sign them. > > > Foundation members are encouraged to provide any feedback, > > > ideas, or concerns before the next board meeting. > > > > Oops, missing link here: > > http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines > > Just like with the original CodeOfConduct I'd like to sign the > SpeakerGuidelines as soon as it's out of draft status (in case I then > still agree with the text, like I do now). IMHO, itt's not something we expect people to sign, it's a document that organizers can (and should) give to speakers. [...] > > (I also need to check, but for the Code of Conduct, I think we said > > we'll vote on making it a requirement for new Foundation members, and > > not on approving the Code of Conduct itself) > > So you'll vote on asking new foundation members to approve the code of > conduct, but the board itself wont vote for approval of the document > itself? Or? I didn't really get that :-) Sorry if this wasn't clear. I meant that the Code of Conduct is already in place. So it's not about approving it, it's about making it a requirement. > What about existing members? In my opinion if we make it a requirement > to approve (and sign) the document for new members, we ought to also > make it a requirement to do the same thing .. for existing members. This can be done on renewals. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Meeting Minutes Published - March 18, 2010
Le jeudi 25 mars 2010, à 15:56 -0500, Brian Cameron a écrit : > * Code of Conduct and the Speaker Guidelines > o The board decided to vote to approve the proposed Code of > Conduct and Speaker Guidelines at the next board meeting, > and to require new Foundation members to sign them. > Foundation members are encouraged to provide any feedback, > ideas, or concerns before the next board meeting. Oops, missing link here: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct/SpeakerGuidelines Matthew Garrett came with the first draft for those guidelines, and Murray Cumming improved the wording, so thanks to both of them! Also thanks to the advisory board for some initial feedback on the proposal. (I also need to check, but for the Code of Conduct, I think we said we'll vote on making it a requirement for new Foundation members, and not on approving the Code of Conduct itself) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, March 27th
Hi, As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: When: Saturday, March 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation We'll discuss a plan to enable contributors living in Asia, Australia, New Zealand, etc. to attend future meetings. Please send your thoughts by mail for this if you won't be able to attend the meeting. We had good feedback from the people who attended the previous meetings, but we want to encourage even more people to join! This is a great opportunity to discuss the topics you care about, or to get more information from the Board if you think we're not communicating enough on some topics ;-) The agenda of the meeting is really up to you! So please add the agenda items you'd like to discuss to http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda For reference, the minutes of the last meeting are available at: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100227 Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: release-announce-list?
Hi, Le mardi 23 mars 2010, à 14:49 -0400, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > Hi, > > I want to suggest creating a release-announce-list and use that for new > package release announcements instead of gnome-announce-list. That would > significantly reduce the "noise" on gnome-announce-list for people who are not > interested in individual package releases. Stupid question, but what would be left on gnome-announce-list? :-) Also, do we really need a release-announce-list when we have ftp-release-list? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Call for hosts for Akademy/GUADEC 2011
The KDE and GNOME communities are looking for a host for the Desktop Summit 2011, the combined annual conference featuring KDE's Akademy and GNOME's GUADEC events. Following up on the successful Gran Canaria Desktop Summit, the second edition of the combined event in 2011 will be the premier place to learn about, discuss, and work on free software on the desktop. The goal of the desktop summit will be to present and discuss the state of the art of free software for end users, do community building, enable cross-community collaboration, and enable partners from industry and other communities as well as individuals to get informed and involved. The desktop summit will consist of a joint conference, combining the Akademy and GUADEC programs, dedicated sub-events about special topics like free desktop standards or mobile platforms, free-form sessions, and extended opportunities for common discussions and getting work done. The preferred format for the event is to start with a three-day conference over the weekend followed by a week of informal sessions and coding marathon. Preferred time for the event is summer 2011. The location should be in Europe and be easily reachable from all over the world. A major international airport is a requirement. The event needs a strong local organization team, preferrably with involvement of local members of both communities. Both communities are prepared to help do global organization and find sponsors. Hosts should be prepared for 1000 enthusiatic participants. They will need to provide conference facilities, space for collaboration, and enough room for working. Internet should be broadly available and able to host all 1000 attendees. A range of accommodation from inexpensive to business class hotels should be easily available. Food should be easily available and should include vegeterian and vegan options. There should also be options for social activities outside of the actual event. For more details about the requirements look at the Akademy requirements [1] and the GUADEC requirements [2]. Please keep in mind that the combined event will be twice as big in size as the individual events, and the collaborative nature of the desktop summit might change the details. If you are interested in hosting the desktop summit, one of the prime free software events in 2011, please send an application to the boards of KDE e.V. (kde-ev-bo...@kde.ev) and the GNOME Foundation (board-l...@gnome.org). Please also feel free to contact us in case of any questions. Send in your proposals no later than May 15th. We are looking forward for a most excellent event. You can be part as host. Send your proposal now. Vincent [1] http://ev.kde.org/akademy/requirements.php [2] http://live.gnome.org/GuadecPlanningHowTo/CheckList -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Membership Committee meeting minutes
Hi, Le samedi 13 mars 2010, à 15:51 +0100, Andrea Veri a écrit : > hi, > > the GNOME Membership Committee had its first meeting exactly two days > ago (on 11/03/2010) and here they come all the meeting's details: Thanks for sharing the minutes of this meeting! It's a good way to advertize your work :-) [...] > * contact the Board of Directors and see if MC have autonomy to > change the number of vouchers required for an application. (and also > if we have the possibility to modify the foundation.gnome.org > website) Yes, you can change the number of vouchers required for an application. And generally, unless you break stuff, you should probabably feel free to update the foundation website :-) > * update the foundation.gnome.org website to make it more close to > how gnome.org looks like. (we will need the Website / Art team to > help us out a bit with this task) --> this needs to be forwarded to > the Board to check if their fine with this. (Bruno prepared a mail > already) The wgo look and feel will change soon, though. I'm not sure it's worth the effort to update foundation.gnome.org now to what will be old soon. > * check with Tobias about elections scripts et all, this will be > discussed separately on our mailing list in the near future. (the > elections need to end before GUADEC in June / July) The next board should be known (and confirmed) for July 1st, since the current board has been elected for a period ending on June 30th. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
On self-moderation and making GNOME a fun project again!
Hey, This is a lengthy (and a bit naive, I guess ;-))) mail, so I'll provide a short summary here for people who don't want to read everything: Please try to self-moderate when participating to a heated discussion, and don't forget that our shared goal is to make GNOME rock, so let's all focus on our contributions instead of long mailing list threads! We're contributing to GNOME because we love it and it's fun. We should keep it this way :-) The longer version is below. = Are you happy with the way foundation-list has been in the last few days? I know I'm not, and clearly many people share this opinion. A huge amount of contributors didn't even participate in the recent threads; they preferred to keep working on improving GNOME their own way instead, because they felt the discussion was going nowhere. Sure, some parts of the recent threads were useful, but those parts just got lost in the noise. Some people tried to fix this by talking privately to some of the participants in the discussion, but apparently this doesn't help. This mailing list is not welcoming anymore, and this reflects badly on the project as a whole. We're harming GNOME. Actively. I do hope that's not what people want to achieve. We can all help there by just behaving correctly on this mailing list. I feel stupid doing so, but I've put at the end of this mail a list of hints on how to make foundation-list a great place again. Most of us already know all this for sure :-) But a reminder cannot hurt, I guess. I want to invite everybody to stop contributing to the old threads. Let's forget about them. Go back and focus on your great contributions! We have a lot of concrete things to accomplish today, and that's what we we should be doing! If you were having a useful discussion in some lost-in-the-noise parts of the threads, I encourage you to move it to another mailing list for now, or to take it private with a few people in the next few days. You can always share a summary of the conclusions later on. As for the discussion about strategic goals for GNOME: this is indeed an important topic. We apparently need to find a better way to discuss such a complex topic than just an open discussion, though. A solution could be to have someone collect feedback from the community, and then have a group of people analyze this feedback to propose a document that could then be easier to discuss. Feel free to contact the board if you're interested in helping this way. Thanks for reading all this; you can reply to this mail if you think it's worth it, but privately if possible :-) Now let's have fun together, and let's make GNOME rock! Love, Vincent = Hints of what you can do to keep a mailing list discussion sane: + Do not assume that people will ignore you if they don't care about what you're saying. On the contrary, they get annoyed after a while, and this can lead to personal attacks. + On the other hand, try to ignore people that you think are really missing the point. There's no point in going after them. + Do not argue on the same topic again and again: people remember your opinion, and they don't need to hear it all the time. + When replying, you might actually move the discussion to a new topic. Don't hesitate to change the subject of your mail in this case, or to start a new thread, or even to move the discussion to another mailing list which is more appropriate (as Felix suggested). + When replying (and especially when you see there's heat in the discussion), think twice about whether your reply is worth sending or not. + Taking the discussion off-list is always an option, especially when an argument is between two or three people only. + Wait 10 minutes before replying. Often, it helps realize there was no reason to reply. -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Stormy's Update: Weeks of February 15th and 22nd
Le lundi 01 mars 2010, à 11:02 -0800, Luis Villa a écrit : > 2010/3/1 Stormy Peters : > > GNOME Foundation IRC meeting. > > How did this go? I guess I spoke way too much ;-) The discussion was mostly about how to prepare a roadmap for GNOME, and how to communicate it. There's an IRC log and maybe even minutes, but, hrm, it's not readable for me: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100227 It'd be nice to have more people attending, though. We'd love to hear how to make it more convenient for people to attend. For example, we know that the time is not good for our australian friends, and we'll try to fix this one way or another, but I'm sure we could have more people even at this time. So how can we improve things? More items on the agenda? Send a meeting reminder earlier? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: FOSDEM Report
Le samedi 27 février 2010, à 16:29 +0200, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) a écrit : > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > + the beer event on Saturday evening was a good place to catch up with > > GNOME friends. > >While that event is always awesome due to many GNOME developers > socializing but I couldn't help notice that there is always some > people missing in there. Whenever I've asked the missing people, they > complain about Claustrophobic atmosphere of the bar we do this. So > just one suggestion: Could we please do it some other place next year? Indeed. This is something that has been raised by various people. I think the issue is that it's difficult to find another place that can be reserved and that can host our crowd. Hopefully, the local GNOME people will find a solution for next year. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, February 27th
Le mardi 23 février 2010, à 14:01 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Hi, > > As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going > to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: > > When: Saturday, February 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation This starts in 30 minutes, please join :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: FOSDEM Report
Le mardi 23 février 2010, à 15:23 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > As a reminder: the original money for all this came from the Foundation > (in 2008, if I'm not mistaken), and since this bootstrap step, we're > able to sponsor the GNOME presence at FOSDEM with the money we get from > t-shirts. The money is handled by GNOME-FR. With my board hat: this is a model that we'd like to see other groups adopt when possible. This makes it possible to use the Foundation money for other or new events after the bootstrap step, and therefore make GNOME more visible in more places. Of course, this is not always possible. But think about it when you organize the GNOME presence at an event :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
FOSDEM Report
Hi, The GNOME presence at FOSDEM this year was quite good, and I believe things went (surprisingly ;-)) smoothly: + we had a good booth, thanks to the event box, t-shirts, stickers, and most importantly thanks to the amazing volunteers. + the devroom went quite well, with a good attendance and interesting talks: http://live.gnome.org/Brussels2010/Devroom. On Sunday, the room became a cross-desktop devroom. + the beer event on Saturday evening was a good place to catch up with GNOME friends. + it's always a great feeling to see many people wearing on Sunday the GNOME t-shirt they bought on Saturday :-) I quickly looked for pictures: booth: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mariosp/4341072001/ stickers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/itkovian/4337980448/ t-shirts: hrm, I can't find a picture (?). I'm sure someone can fix this! Here's a quick list of things to improve for next year: + have nametags for GNOME people. This helps various people, unsurprisingly. + don't forget about the group photo. We were all too busy... + make sure the computer from the event box has the latest cool things to showcase (it didn't have gnome-shell; but Siegfried saved the world with his laptop) + try to get some more hardware for the event box: this year, a netbook with moblin and a n900 would definitely have helped. We're already asking around to get some donation for this, but feel free to ask too if you think you can make this happen! + do not organize things at the last minute ;-) We used the money we got from selling t-shirts during FOSDEM 2009 to print new t-shirts and stickers. T-shirts were sold €10 (or €5 for Foundation members). Money-wise, this results in (approximately, I don't have the exact figures myself): + Expenses: - t-shirts: around €900 - stickers: around €300 + Income: - around €1650 (from t-shirts) This means that we already have some money for FOSDEM 2011. We'll likely do stickers and t-shirts again, but we can possibly do more: feel free to suggest ideas for next year! As a reminder: the original money for all this came from the Foundation (in 2008, if I'm not mistaken), and since this bootstrap step, we're able to sponsor the GNOME presence at FOSDEM with the money we get from t-shirts. The money is handled by GNOME-FR. Many thanks to the people who helped make sure everything went smoothly, especially Christophe (for the devroom), Lionel (for the organization of the booth), Xavier (for the event box), Frédéric (for the t-shirts), Andreas (for the design of the t-shirt) and Baptiste (for the stickers). We had many people helping with the booth, which was great! Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Foundation IRC Meeting on Saturday, February 27th
Hi, As discussed during the last IRC meeting of the Foundation, we're going to hold another IRC meeting next Saturday: When: Saturday, February 27th, from 16:00 to 17:00 UTC Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation We understand that this time might not suit everybody, but we tried to select something that would work for most people. Feel free to suggest other times for future meetings. We think the first meeting went great, although it didn't have an agenda (by design). To make this one even better, we'd like to have an agenda for the meeting. And this will also hopefully help attract more people to the meeting :-) So please add the topics you'd like to discuss to http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MembersAgenda Your topics will automatically appear on the meeting page: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/MeetingAgenda For reference, the minutes of the last meeting are visible at: http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100130 Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: New GNOME Foundation Members
Le vendredi 12 février 2010, à 13:43 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > On Fri, 2010-02-12 at 13:37 +0100, Pascal Terjan wrote: > > I'm for suggesting it in the welcome email, not for enforcing it > > The problem is that without any such enforcement, the rule is pointless > and will lead to the current situation where some new guys do and a lot > of others don't introduce themselves. I really hope we don't need rules for this. It's not really a good way to welcome people to first tell them "hey, if you don't do this, we kick you out". Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011
Le mardi 02 février 2010, à 12:33 -0500, john palmieri a écrit : > I would like to point out that the survey was pretty narrow. For instance I > said "do it" but I have the same reservations I had when I voted to not do > it for this years GUADEC. I want to see this happen right, which is to have > us collaborate but at the same time keep our identities. Right, the survey was a bit narrow, but I think that was by design, to be honest ;-) If co-location happens, this is the kind of information from the community we'll want to have. It's important that the event still feels right for us. In this specific case, it's extremly clear that GUADEC is an important event from the GNOME community, and we don't want to lose the community building side of it; so if we co-locate GUADEC and Akademy, this will be a requirement. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011
Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 17:11 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 10:39 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit : > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the > > > results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone, > > > I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-) > > > > Depends on how time-sensitive it is. I should have some time towards > > the end of the week, but right now am pretty swamped. > > Well, I would be hoping to be able to send some analysis in the next few > days. I guess if nobody steps up soon enough, I'll just publish what I > have and the raw results, so people could take a look and produce more > interesting stats. Here are the stats I did (hopefully, I didn't get anything wrong ;-)). I'm attaching the results in case anybody wants to play with them. Note that I removed the answers to the free form entry since it made it possible to guess who replied what in a few cases (it shouldn't be a big loss, though). + 103 people replied - 84 are contributors (81.55%) and 18 aren't (17.48%) - 75 are foundation members (72.82%) and 27 aren't (26.21%) - 68 attended GCDS (66.02%) and 33 didn't (32.04%) - 13 (12.62%) attended a GUADEC (before GCDS), 58 (56.31%) attended 2 or more, and 31 (30.10%) never went to GUADEC + Do it vs Don't do it - contributors: 54 vs 25 (64.23% vs 29.76%) - foundation members: 49 vs 22 (65.33% vs 29.33%) - attended GCDS: 46 vs 19 (67.65% vs 27.94%) - attended guadec once: 9 vs 4 (69.23% vs 30.77%) - attended guadec more than once: 35 vs 19 (60.34% vs 32.76%) - never attended guadec: 22 vs 5 (70.97% vs 16.13%) + only/more likely to attend vs will not/less likely to attend if co-located - contributors: 9 vs 10 (10.71% vs 11.90%) - non-contributors: 10 vs 0 (55.56% vs 0%) + productive improvements for GNOME: - yes, directly: 15 (14.56%) - yes, indirectly: 61 (59.22%) - no: 17 (16.50%) + misc: - nobody said "do it" and "it won't lead to any improvement for GNOME" - 10 people said "don't do it" and "it will lead to direct/indirect improvements for GNOME" - 9 people replied while they don't plan to go to GUADEC in 2011 (4 of them said "do it", 2 said "don't do it") Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. co-location-survey-raw.ods Description: application/vnd.oasis.opendocument.spreadsheet ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011
Le lundi 01 février 2010, à 10:39 -0500, Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier a écrit : > On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the > > results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone, > > I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-) > > Depends on how time-sensitive it is. I should have some time towards > the end of the week, but right now am pretty swamped. Well, I would be hoping to be able to send some analysis in the next few days. I guess if nobody steps up soon enough, I'll just publish what I have and the raw results, so people could take a look and produce more interesting stats. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011
Le samedi 23 janvier 2010, à 20:19 +0100, Vincent Untz a écrit : > This new survey is quite short (only a few questions) and it shouldn't > take more than 5 minutes to fill. So please take those 5 minutes and > fill it. We'll close the survey next week, on next Friday (January 29th; > I must admit I don't know if it will close when Friday starts or ends, > so please fill it before ;-)). Results will be published as soon as > possible. Is there anyone who would like to help create a useful summary of the results? I have some stats already, but if you let me do this alone, I'll likely only present some less-effort stats ;-) FWIW, 103 people filled the survey. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th
Le samedi 30 janvier 2010, à 21:43 -0800, Sandy Armstrong a écrit : > On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:03 AM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit : > >> Hey everyone, > >> > >> looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board > >> would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose > >> IRC meeting: > >> > >> When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC > >> Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation > > > > And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-) > > An untrimmed log is available here: > > http://armstrong-clan.net/dump/foundation.log > > I'll happily put this on the wiki if there's a particular place it should go. It's already attached to http://live.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/Minutes/IRC20100130 (although the page links to the file on your website, instead of the attachment, hrm) Thanks for the log :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th
Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit : > Hey everyone, > > looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board > would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose > IRC meeting: > > When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation And this is starting now. Don't miss your last chance to attend ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Foundation IRC meeting, January 30th
Hey, Le jeudi 21 janvier 2010, à 13:02 -0500, Diego Escalante Urrelo a écrit : > Hey everyone, > > looking forward for feedback and discussion of general issues, the Board > would like to invite all GNOME Foundation members to a general purpose > IRC meeting: > > When: Saturday, January 30th, 16:00 UTC > Where: irc.gnome.org, #foundation Just a reminder for everybody: this is tomorrow :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Survey: GUADEC and Akadamy co-location in 2011
Hi, Organization for GUADEC 2010 is well under way, with a great team doing an amazing job! This is why the Board can already start thinking about what will happen in 2011 :-) We'd like to send a call for bids in the next few months, but before doing so, we need to decide whether we want to co-locate GUADEC with Akademy like we did in 2009 or not. As this decision will have a big impact on how GUADEC 2011 will be, we believe it makes sense to see what the community thinks about the topic, so we created a survey: http://www.gnome.org/~behdad/survey/index.php?sid=77745 You might remember that we had a similar survey at the end of GCDS, and we are considering the option of co-locating based on the results of this previous survey. However, we think the opinion of contributors who didn't attend GCDS (and therefore, might have not filled the survey) matters too, hence the new survey. This new survey is quite short (only a few questions) and it shouldn't take more than 5 minutes to fill. So please take those 5 minutes and fill it. We'll close the survey next week, on next Friday (January 29th; I must admit I don't know if it will close when Friday starts or ends, so please fill it before ;-)). Results will be published as soon as possible. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey
Hi Lefty, Le dimanche 17 janvier 2010, à 21:45 -0800, Lefty (石鏡 ) a écrit : > On 1/17/10 9:30 PM, "Jonathon Jongsma" wrote: > > > >As far as I an tell, there has been essentially no controversy > whatsoever about > >any of this until you and Philip seemingly started > trying to drum one up. What > >exactly are you even trying to change? Is > there an official GNOME position > >statement that you object to? > Something on a gnome.org website somewhere? What > >exactly are we > actually talking about here? > > I'm sorry, Jonathon, I thought that was clear. Stormy proposed the following > statement on behalf of GNOME in her message of this past Friday on this > thread: I think Jonathon's point [1] is that the initial mail triggered some discussion that (I believe) many people see as off-topic/not-interesting/whatever, even before Stormy proposed a statement. When I read the beginning of the thread again, it's indeed not really clear why all this is being discussed -- especially on foundation-list, instead of private mails. I'm not saying that a potential statement from the Foundation on this topic as a result of this discussion is useless [2], but in general, our community is not a big fan of debating "open source" vs "free" since it doesn't really help GNOME move forward. We're a technical community, and such threads are just ignored by most of our community since it's not technical stuff. In the GNOME project, we're usally all happy with both "free software" and "open source" contributors as long as their contributions are following our traditions or rules or guidelines or... And don't get me wrong, I'm not blaming anybody who contributed to the discussion, just explaining why people might feel this way about this thread. Vincent [1] Apologies to Jonathon if I misunderstand his point :-) [2] It could clarify things, especially for newcomers who might not know the project history well. -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey
Hey, Le dimanche 17 janvier 2010, à 15:56 -0500, john palmieri a écrit : > > On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Luis Villa wrote: > > It has been pointed out that in fact it has been written down: > > http://live.gnome.org/ProjectPrerequisites Those are prerequisites for project that people want to host on the GNOME infrastructure. This has been written by the sysadmin team. [...] > The release team goes further for official modules and states: > > Free-ness: Apps must be under a Free or Open license and support open > standards and protocols. In case of doubt about the module license, send an > email to the Release Team and the desktop-devel mailing list. Support of > proprietary protocols and closed standards is part of the world we live in, > but all applications that support closed protocols should also support open > equivalents where those exist, and should default to those if at all > possible while still serving their intended purpose. > > http://live.gnome.org/ReleasePlanning/ModuleProposing#judgement-criteria This comes from the release team, and this is what Luis helped write. It's actually pasted from GEP-10: http://developer.gnome.org/gep/gep-10.html (I prefer to ignore the "free" vs "open source" vs "free/open source" vs "free and open source" vs... topic for now, until I read all mails and make sure I don't say stuff already mentioned) On a general note, it might make sense to create a page listing the licenses we're usually using in the project, and in which case to use them. And list this license page from those ProjectPrerequisites and ModuleProposing. I'd love to have something like http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Licensing_Policy for GNOME. Is there anyone who would like to work on this? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Thanks, and a Brief Survey
Le vendredi 15 janvier 2010, à 13:02 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > I also hope the foundation board will respect the results of these > surveys. What do you mean? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum
Le mardi 15 décembre 2009, à 11:57 +0330, Behnam Esfahbod ZWNJ a écrit : > Also, is a referendum really necessary to create a new members-only > mailing list? Noting that becoming membership and participation is > always optional. It's not necessary to hold a vote to create a list, but I think Behdad's point by doing this is to see if there's real interest from the membership. Behdad, are you fine if we put a time limit for your proposal (2 weeks, 1 month, whatever)? Just to make sure we know when to close the topic in case there are not enough members signing the petition -- I'd hate to have someone come again in 2 years and say "hey, we now have 50 signatures for this", while we will have all moved on ;-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: "Private Foundation-List" Petition for referendum
Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 19:04 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > Also, maybe someone with list admin privileges could tell us roughly the > number of subscribers and how many of them appear to be GNOME Foundation > members. We have 574 subscribers on the mailing list. However, there are quite a number of mail addresses which are marked as nomail, maybe something between 100 and 150, hard to tell. Sometimes it means that the email address just doesn't work anymore (eazel.com? heh), and sometimes it means the user chose to not receive mail (because he might be subscribed twice, or something else). For reference, if I'm not mistaken, we have 356 Foundation members as of today. A quick look makes me believe a lot of people are Foundation members, some are not, and a lot of 'no idea'. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 23:26 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 22:34 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: > > The GNOME Foundation itself is a free software supporter, and advocates > > for free software, and I believe this reflects the opinion of the vast > > majority of the GNOME community. > > But what if advocating free software means that the minimal support > GNOME should do for GNU, is to claim that proprietary is illegitimate? As far as I know, the GNU project isn't asking us to do this, so there's really no issue here. (Richard might be asking us to do such a claim, and we can respectfully disagree to do so) And if the GNU project were asking, we could reply "sorry, that's not the way we want to do things". And going further, assuming the GNU project would ask this and wouldn't be happy with our reply, then it's up to the GNU project to decide that maybe we should leave the GNU project. I believe the GNOME project is contributing to the GNU project by doing what we, the GNOME community, think is the right thing, so there'd be no reason on our side to leave the GNU project. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Le lundi 14 décembre 2009, à 16:56 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > On 12/14/2009 04:34 PM, Vincent Untz wrote: > > >Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have > >the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of > >the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of > >the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with the FSF, and we're all fine this > >way. > > Humm, *now* I'm confused. What does it mean that "The GNOME > Foundation is part of the FSF"? Gah. I obviously missed the "not". It should read: "The GNOME Foundation is not part of the FSF". Apologies for the confusion :-) > As for "GNOME being a GNU project", what that means is explained here: > > http://www.gnu.org/help/evaluation.html Thanks for the link, that's something I was looking for and I couldn't find easily! Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Addition to the Code of Conduct (was Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership)
Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 17:35 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > I also like to see two more ideas added to CoC: > > - Learn to agree to disagree. > > - Criticize ideas, not people presenting them. I support this change. I'm just unsure how we can update the Code of Conduct, since people signed the "old" version and we obviously can't pretend they approved those additions. Should we just version the Code of Conduct? Or is this a non-issue? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Hi, (This is hopefully my last mail for catching up with this thread ;-)) Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009, à 12:48 +, Lucas Rocha a écrit : > Hi all, > > The Board has recently received some complaints from members of the > community about certain the inappropriate behaviors. In the context of > GNOME Foundation, it's really hard to argue about how we expect our > members to behave if there is no official guidelines that members are > supposed to comply with. The GNOME Code of Conduct[1] has been serving > very well as an informal guideline for the community but we'd like to > make it an official document that new Foundation members are expected > to explicitly agree[2] with before being accepted. This way we'll have a > common ground for dealing with certain conflict situations and avoid > trying to base our discussions on guidelines that certain members > haven't explicitly agreed on. > > Before deciding on this, we thought it would be useful to get some > feedback from the community. This is the first mail of the thread. And I'm really sad of the way the thread went. I'm certainly guilty myself of not taking time to read it and participate earlier to try to moderate things, but we should all be able to step back and moderate a thread when it apparently needs to be moderated... First, let me state it: the original proposal has nothing to do with Planet GNOME. If you have an issue with Planet GNOME, you're free to state it publicly, of course, but you can also directly contact the editors. We even put some documentation to answer most questions: http://live.gnome.org/PlanetGnome And if you read that page, you'll see that the editors expect people on Planet GNOME to respect the Code of Conduct. I'm not aware of a case where we removed a post or a blog because of this, but if this needs to happen, then fine, we'll do it. (and yes, the editors are not perfect, and are not always replying in time, and are doing mistakes and all that, so keep this in mind please ;-)) Now, back to the original proposal. The idea is that we want the GNOME project to be a cool place. With great people. Where newcomers feel welcome. And all that. I'd love a rainbow, and illimited ice cream, btw. That what is already behind the Code of Conduct. The Code of Conduct is only stating the obvious. There's nothing revolutionary there. There are surely some cases where it doesn't help us. We can also all have a bad day and not respect the Code of Conduct at some point -- if this happens, as long as we can acknowledge that we could have had a more appropriate behavior, it's fine. If you think that having a "Yes, I agree that I should try to be polite" requirement for GNOME Foundation membership is bad, then, well, okay; that just means you might share one of the values of the GNOME Foundation. Is it the end of the world? No. Does that make it impossible to contribute to GNOME? No. (Hint: you don't have to be a GNOME Foundation member to contribute.) This is really all about explaining to the world what are values are, and trying to lead by the example. This is not about adding rules. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Hey, Le jeudi 10 décembre 2009, à 07:46 -0700, Stormy Peters a écrit : > My post on hunting comes to mind. I self censor now because I didn't like > the negative comments directed at my kids. But would you block my whole blog > because a vocal portion of the community is anti-hunting and people in my > family hunt? I read a few times in this thread that people are self-censoring themselves in their blog. It's possible to avoid that by using a tag-based RSS feed; so if you want to blog the way you want but not have everything appear on Planet GNOME, just contact the Planet editors, and we'll be glad to help you do this. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Le vendredi 11 décembre 2009, à 17:20 +0100, Philip Van Hoof a écrit : > I propose to have a vote on GNOME's membership to the GNU project. So, as far as I can tell, nobody is collecting a list of members who support such a vote proposal. I still wanted to reply there. For many of the reasons Dave wrote, I would believe splitting up from the GNU project is a bad idea. Let me add a few things... The GNOME Foundation itself is a free software supporter, and advocates for free software, and I believe this reflects the opinion of the vast majority of the GNOME community. So I would think it's safe to say that this is the position of the GNOME project. As such, I think the GNOME project definitely has its place in the GNU project, whose goal is to create a free software operating system. That doesn't mean the GNOME Foundation fights against non-free software by saying that non-free software is bad and should not be used nor exist. We have a policy of having the GNOME platform LGPL, and so it can be used by non-free applications. We're happy this way. Our way to fight against non-free software is by writing better code, that is free. Also, the GNU project is not the FSF. When reading the thread, I have the feeling that some people want the GNOME project to not be part of the FSF, or to disagree with the FSF. The GNOME Foundation is part of the FSF, and we sometimes disagree with the FSF, and we're all fine this way. (Note that the FSF is an advisory board member of the GNOME Foundation, though, and it's valuable one that we're happy to have). I think Andy wrote more on this [1], but I didn't take the time to read his post so I won't put words in his mouth :-) Cheers, Vincent [1] http://wingolog.org/archives/2009/12/13/gnu-gnome-and-the-fsf -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Code of Conduct and Foundation membership
Hey, Le mercredi 09 décembre 2009, à 13:32 -0500, Behdad Esfahbod a écrit : > On 12/09/2009 08:48 AM, Lionel Dricot wrote: > >- Each GNOME member should be able to add his feed to pgo. He might want > >to change his feed whenever he wants to take a more specialized one or not. The consensus in the past is that we don't want to have anybody able to change the planet configuration, and that this is what has enabled Planet GNOME to stay (relatively) high quality. > >- Each year, a mail is sent to those member asking if they want to stay on > >pgo and if they consider themselves still on-topic. > > Lets limit it to a reminder that "you're on PGO. if you want to be > removed, email xxx" if we have to do something like that. I'm fine with this idea. If Lucas and Jeff are fine, we can start doing it, but I'm sure that help would be welcome to gather the list of mail addresses to contact. If anybody wants to do that part of the work, please just contact the planet editors. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
