Has anybody out there taken the BSDA certification exams?
Hi List, on Saturday the 5th of May there is the Central-European BSD day in Vienna. They also give the chance to make the BSDA certification exams. I went through the 'BSD Associate Exam Objectives' to get some idea the questions. But I still wonder, how NetBSD users get away with the style of questions and solutions asked. Its some years ago that I used FreeBSD and I have for sure forgotten lots of details or never ran into certain commands/solutions since changing to NetBSD. Has any of you taken the exams? Has somebody told you about the exams? By the Exam Objectives I think its not that easy to pass ... Cheers herb langhans ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Certification
Dear Lady,Sir I am very eager to get a certification for the FreeBSD but I do not know how? I am in Malaysia. Is there any branch in Malaysia? Is there any material for learning FreeBSD by myself?If yes, how can I get them? Many thanks. -- *---* *Mohammad Reza Abbasy* UTM University *Mobile* : +60176731832 *Email * : mr.abb...@gmail.com ramohamm...@live.utm.my Are you lost? I am your map. GOD -- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Certification
Hi, You can find all the information here: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ Regards, MB. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Certification
Hello. Where i can take FreeBSD exam? In California. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
Re: Certification
Hello, On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Andrew Cherkashin andor...@gmail.com wrote: Hello. Where i can take FreeBSD exam? In California. This link may be helpful: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ Cheers, -- Glen Barber ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to freebsd-questions-unsubscr...@freebsd.org
EV SSL certification Online Banking update
Wells Fargo [1]Wells Fargo Home Page Online Banking Dear Wells Fargo Banking Customer, Due to the high number of fraud attempts and phishing scams, it has been decided to implement EV SSL Certification on this Internet Banking website. The use of EV SSL certification works with high security Web browsers to clearly identify whether the site belongs to the company or is another site imitating that company's site. It has been introduced to protect our clients against phishing and other online fraudulent activities. Since most Internet related crimes rely on false identity, Wells Fargo went through a rigorous validation process that meets the Extended Validation guidelines. Please update your account to the new EV SSL certification by [2]Clicking here. You are strictly advised to login into your Wells Fargo account using the above link. Your Wells Fargo account will automatically be added to our recent internet banking security system. (Failure to verify your account details correctly will lead to account suspension) Thank you. Account Sentinel Service © Wells Fargo Online Customer Service: 1998 - 2008 (Do not reply to this email. Wells Fargo retains the right to send you periodic updates on alerts and services). References 1. https://www.wellsfargo.com/ 2. http://www.poducateme.com/forum/online.wellsfargo.com|login|EV%20SSL_UPDATE_CODE=ZXJyb3IuY3VzdG9tZXJOb3RNYXRjaGVk/ ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
If I recall correctly, only the i386 version of Leopard is Unix certified, so if you're still using a PowerPC, you're out of luck for upgrading to a Unix certified operating system. But I believe a previous version was if you'd like to downgrade. As far as I know, Unix certification is more about interoperability than anything else, but there's still the public perception about security and stability. For Apple, it's probably more about bragging rights and propaganda than anything else. Before saying I'm anti-Apple, I'm writing this email using Mail.app. On Oct 18, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) -Dan -- It's like GTA, except you pay for it, and you're allowed to use the car. -Josh, on Zipcar on-demand car-rental, 3/20/05 Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) -Dan -- It's like GTA, except you pay for it, and you're allowed to use the car. -Josh, on Zipcar on-demand car-rental, 3/20/05 Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) Well, apple has also made changes to the OS in some ways, which was why I was asking. -- Don't think of it as beer, think of it as a flavored motor oil. -Jeremiah Kristal, on Guinness 3/29/05, 9:52 AM Dan Mahoney Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org --- ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. This is complete and total fluff unless they say who certified it. And no one has legit claim to be able to do that. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
--On Thursday, October 18, 2007 13:49:07 + Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. This is complete and total fluff unless they say who certified it. And no one has legit claim to be able to do that. http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2007/08/01/mac-os-x-leopard-receives-unix-03-certification http://www.unix.org/unix03.html pgpuIPMgzwJjC.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. Apparently The Open Group are in charge of UNIX certification - see http://www.opengroup.org/certification/ for details. -- Bruce And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Apparently The Open Group are in charge of UNIX certification - see http://www.opengroup.org/certification/ for details. They have a very bad track record over the last 10-15 years, ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
Dan Mahoney, System Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. Yes, and has to be re-done regularly. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/Brandfees.htm and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) Compliance is an ongoing effort, but basically FreeBSD is pretty close. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:39:53PM +, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) SCO has never owned the UNIX trademark. The current owner of is The Open Group, and they are indeed the ones that certify products as being officialy 'UNIX'. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. And give SCO a reason to actually consolidate it's illegitimate claim to be the steward of Unix when there is no such thing beyond the holder of the trademark. That said, if in theory one were to try to get the operating system certified (say, to increase awareness and market share versus the penguinistas)... a) approximately how much money is a lot? and b) How far short, technically, does FreeBSD fall from the standard (we'll ignore operational semantics for the time being) MacOS-X is FreeBSD at it's core thus we are ready now (actually all that is required is POSIX complience) MacOS X is partly based on FreeBSD, but they have also taken code from several other places, as well as made a whole lot of changes themselves. That MacOS X is UNIX-certifified says very little about how well FreeBSD will do in that regard. -- Insert your favourite quote here. Erik Trulsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification.
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:56:05PM -0400, Rob wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. I'd imagine that the big reason that FreeBSD hasn't done this yet is: It costs a lot of money. There was a thread on this a month or 3 ago; might want to check the archives. I think the consensus came down to something like: The certification is largely irrelevant, self-serving to a couple vendors that sponsor it, and expensive, so - why bother? Sounds a little like way back when 'Crest toothpaste used to adversised that it was the only one accepted as an effective dentifrice by the American Dental Association (I think that was the name they used) when they were the only ones who had ever sought the credential and essentially made up the category themselves. After several years some other brand finally did it too and then they all quit using it in their advertising. So, probably this is only meaningful as long as Apple Spotted Cat OS is the only one doing it.If someone else does it, then it won't be worth anything to anyone. jerry -Rob ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Two question about UNIX(r) certification
On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 18:25 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] moved his mouse, rebooted for the change to take effect, and then said: Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 13:49:07 + From: Aryeh M. Friedman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Two questions about UNIX(r) certification. Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Aryeh M. Friedman wrote: Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: I recently noticed that Apple's new OS, Leopard, is Unix certified. UNIX Certified what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]@ does that mean as far I know no one is in a position to make such a statement except maybe the current owner of the Unix trademark (sco if I am not mistaken) From here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/300.html#unix Mac OS X is now a fully certified UNIX operating system, conforming to both the Single UNIX Specification (SUSv3) and POSIX 1003.1. Deploy Leopard in environments that demand full UNIX conformance and enjoy expanded support for open standards popular in the UNIX community such as the OASIS Open Document Format (ODF) or ECMAs Office XML. This is complete and total fluff unless they say who certified it. And no one has legit claim to be able to do that. Opengroup has certified it. From http://www.opengroup.org with a search on OS/X The Open Brand - Register of Certified Products Certified Products ? Summary Register ? by Product Standard ? by Company ? by Recent Documentation ? Certification Guide ? Conformance Statements ? Product Standards ? Testing Requirements ? Checklists ? FAQs Links ? Certification Home You are here: Certification The Open Brand Register of Certified Products Apple Inc. - UNIX 03 UNIX 03 Company Name: Apple Inc. Product Name: Mac OS X Version 10.5 Leopard on Intel-based Macintosh computers Environment: Registered on: 18-May-2007 Display a copy of the Brand Certificate in PDF Search the Conformance Statements database for all UNIX 03 registrations See all the registered products for the UNIX 03 Product Standard See more information about the UNIX 03 Product Standard _ Home ? Contacts ? Legal ? Copyright ? Members ? News ? The Open Group 1995-2007 Updated on Thursday, 18 October 2007 Print this page [1] --o That's good enough for me :-) Bill -- Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
UNIX System Certification Programs
As part of the formalization process for our carreer paths, our organization is wanting us to be certified in our areas of expertise as part of any on-going carreer path. Since I do all my work in Linux and FreeBSD, what sorts of programs are there that would be similar to the Microsoft certifications which are extremely common in the Windows world? I would want to try to keep it as close to what I really do, both for honesty's sake and since the knowledge gained would be valuable, to say the least and the closer it fit me, the better. The best way to describe what I do would be to say that I use UNIX systems to solve technical problems. While DNS is my primary responsibility, I notice that I have spent a good portion of my carreer, here, coming up with UNIX-based automation solutions to problems that individuals in my group or groups we are close to are trying to solve. Such situations as mining system logs for patterns that mean trouble and either alerting others of the pending trouble or actually rectifying it, are a daily part of my job. Using UNIX tools such as awk, grep and C to shave time off of mine and other people's work also describe what I do. Please tell me any thoughts you might have. Stating that I've been messing around with UNIX systems for about 14 years probably won't get me very far.:-) Thank you. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Division Network Operations Group ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: UNIX System Certification Programs
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Martin McCormick wrote: As part of the formalization process for our carreer paths, our organization is wanting us to be certified in our areas of expertise as part of any on-going carreer path. Since I do all my work in Linux and FreeBSD, what sorts of programs are there that would be similar to the Microsoft certifications which are extremely common in the Windows world? For linux you will probably find distribution specific certification programs such as Red Hat Certisfied Whatever. For BSD there are currently two initatives under way, bsdcertification.org and bsdcertification.com Please tell me any thoughts you might have. Stating that I've been messing around with UNIX systems for about 14 years probably won't get me very far.:-) Don't underestimate the value of experience! It is well known that there is a vast number of paper certificates, proveable experience is worth more than some unknown certificate. When companies like certificates it's because they can tell their clients that their employees are certisfied to do the job. But for inhouse tasks experience is worth far more. Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: UNIX System Certification Programs
If you need a cert just to get a cert, and Linux is appropriate, I think Red Hat has an offering that would probably be considered industry standard. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Norgaard Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:08 AM To: Martin McCormick Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: UNIX System Certification Programs On Fri, 21 Oct 2005, Martin McCormick wrote: As part of the formalization process for our carreer paths, our organization is wanting us to be certified in our areas of expertise as part of any on-going carreer path. Since I do all my work in Linux and FreeBSD, what sorts of programs are there that would be similar to the Microsoft certifications which are extremely common in the Windows world? For linux you will probably find distribution specific certification programs such as Red Hat Certisfied Whatever. For BSD there are currently two initatives under way, bsdcertification.org and bsdcertification.com Please tell me any thoughts you might have. Stating that I've been messing around with UNIX systems for about 14 years probably won't get me very far.:-) Don't underestimate the value of experience! It is well known that there is a vast number of paper certificates, proveable experience is worth more than some unknown certificate. When companies like certificates it's because they can tell their clients that their employees are certisfied to do the job. But for inhouse tasks experience is worth far more. Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Free BSD Certification
Hi, I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng, Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD? And what are there contact details. Yours truly, Eugêne Prenzler IT Divisional Manager Behaviour Systems Development (Pty) Ltd. (+27)12-309-6000 Switchboard (+27)86-675-3061 Direct Fax (+27)82-752-3713 Cellular Confidentiality Warning === The contents of this e-mail and any accompanying documentation are confidential and any use thereof, in what ever form, by anyone other than the addressee is strictly prohibited. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Certification
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005, Eugene Prenzler wrote: I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng, Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD? And what are there contact details. I am not aware of any recognized BSD certification, but there are two current initiatives to establish certification - beware of the domain names! bsdcertification.org bsdcertification.com Cheers, Erik ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free BSD Certification
Eugene Prenzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I would like to know if there is a institution in South Africa, Gauteng, Pretoria that offers Certification on Free BSD? Information can be found here: http://www.bsdcertification.org/ -- Bill Moran Potential Technologies http://www.potentialtech.com ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: freebsd training/certification
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jayton Garnett Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 4:45 PM To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: freebsd training/certification Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? The only one I know was discussed here: http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2004-August/056525.html With a link here: http://cpe.njit.edu/opensourceunix/ But I must warn you it is non-credit, non-accredited. It's also quite a bit more costly than going down to the local community college. Nor do they guarentee to make you a guru Of course, the other vendor certifications, such as that from Microsoft, are also non-credit, non-accredited, and have no guarentee to make you a guru either. I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. There is really no point in doing that. The above course might be good to train you, but it's value as a pure sheepskin is nonexistent. You might as easily make up a certificate on a desktop publishing program if that is all you want it for. Certifications, ie: non-accredited coursework, are primariarly valuable in accordance to the 'brand' they carry. With all due respect to NJIT, nobody has heard of the FreeBSD Certificate they offer. By contrast, a MCSE, well everyone has heard of Microsoft and thus one of those certificates is much more valuable. If you want to spend your money on coursework, spend it on accredited courses that are transferable to any college or university. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD None. Two different markets. People buy Solaris because they need it to run commercial programs (typically UNIX binaries) that require it. People setup FreeBSD because they need a UNIX that runs UNIX source code programs. While it is possible to compile Open Source programs on Solaris (indeed, Sun has already done this for many of the popular ones) speaking as an admin that runs a shop that does this in production, there is little point in doing it. Both Solaris and FreeBSD run whatever open source software you want to run well enough for production. But Sun isn't going to support an Open Source program that you compile on their operating system, unless you have purchased the Sun compiler, the Sun development tools and have a Sun service contract, and very few shops do this as it is quite costly. We don't do it and to be honest the only reason we do run Solaris in production is that one of the admins here is more comfortable with it than with FreeBSD. Since the application that runs on it is his responsibility and I have no desire to micromanage, it runs Solaris. and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Because of the same reason that Microsoft booted Apple out of the personal computer market. It was a favorable congruence of factors. None of the people who are the recognized 'movers and shakers' in this deal, such as Bob Young, really had any idea at the time that they were doing the Right Things. Bob isn't any different than 99% of businessman walking around today except that he was extremely lucky. Very much the Bill Gates story. It is easy now to look back and realize that 1996 and 1997 were 'nexus' years for Open Source. Bob got involved in Linux years earlier not because Linux was better but simply because the first people to show him Open Source UNIX happened to be running Linux. If they had been running FreeBSD then today FreeBSD would be the darling of the trade rags. Or, if someone else had been doing the same thing in 1996 and 1997 with FreeBSD, then today FreeBSD and Linux would be equivalent in the trade rags. These years were critical for UNIX primariarly because of Windows 95 coming out with a usable TCP/IP stack. Prior to Windows 95, TCP/IP on a desktop OS was expensive, the IP stacks at that time cost more than DOS or Windows. Once Windows 95 came out with TCP/IP (and to a lesser extent, Windows for Workgroups 3.11) it in conjunction with SAMBA cracked the door to an alternative server OS. Here's a list of all the things that came together in 1996-1997 that brought Linux and to a lesser extent FreeBSD, into the realm of commercial alternatives for server operating systems: 1) The failure of Novell with Netware 4 2) A free TCP/IP stack with Windows for Workgroups 3.11 and Windows 95 3) 32bit desktop computing in Win95 which got rid of the argument between the networking stack and the applications in the desktop PC over system resources, and allowed very large and complex networking stacks (which TCP/IP is) on desktop PCs 4) The explosion of the Internet and huge demand for IP-aware applications 5) Microsoft didn't have a usable e-mail and web server solution for Windows NT 3.5.1 and 4.0 6
RE: freebsd training/certification
Because if you are a software publisher you make a lot more money selling software applications written for Red Hat than for FreeBSD. And since the software publishers and hardware vendors are the major advertisers in the computing press trade ragazines, and the hardware vendors don't care about the Windows vs FreeBSD vs Linux debate and make money from all of us, over this issue the software publishers are going to influence every column written, every survey taken, every interview published and every so-called news article on the subject. Of course the real truth is that nobody knows how many Linux systems compared to FreeBSD systems are in production. But from the industries point of view, the only counts that matter are those of SALES of operating systems. Red Hat doesen't get any more credit for downloads of the older versions of RedHat or of Fedora from the trade press than we get for downloads of FreeBSD. I might point out however that numbers aren't everything. There were far more Volkswagen Beetles sold than there have been Corvettes, but you might consider that the Corvette is still in production, as is the Mustang, while the Bug is little more than a piece of history. Ted -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tabor Kelly Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:04 PM To: Chris Cc: Jayton Garnett; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: freebsd training/certification Chris wrote: snip The user states, I have been using the OS for over a year now, Hmmm seems to me that the user should KNOW the answer to, and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Please, enlighten me, why is FreeBSD less popular than RH/Fedora, or linux in general for that matter? -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
freebsd training/certification
Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Thanks, Jayton Garnett ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd training/certification
Jayton Garnett wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Thanks, Jayton Garnett Search this list - you will find all your answers. This has been hashed over many, many times. Do a little work on your part - and you'll find out on your own. -- Best regards, Chris Real programmers don't announce how many times the operations department called them last night. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd training/certification
Jayton Garnett wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Thanks, Jayton Garnett ... come to think of it... This has to be a troll. Let's ponder this... The user states, I have been using the OS for over a year now, Hmmm seems to me that the user should KNOW the answer to, and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? In addition - using it for a year now, this would make one think that the user would have read the cert thread of not even a month ago. But let's really notice how the user unfolds the message. Starts off nice, curious to a point and even showing that the user wishes to possibly contribute to the foundation as a whole. Once the user softens the audience, delivers the one-two punch tactic of the evil creature known as a troll. However, this one don't look like Shrek ... Just my comical way of looking at things. -- Best regards, Chris A budget is spending $15.00 on gas to drive to a shopping mall to save $4.30 on a 20 pound turkey. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd training/certification
On 01/02/05 07:01 PM, Chris sat at the `puter and typed: Jayton Garnett wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Thanks, Jayton Garnett ... come to think of it... This has to be a troll. Let's ponder this... Not nececelery, but yes, lettuce ponder . . . The user states, I have been using the OS for over a year now, Hmmm seems to me that the user should KNOW the answer to, and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Obviously not a well thought out question, but I have to admit that I *don't* read *every* single thread on the list. In fact I probably read half - or less, of what comes to me through the list. I just don't have time. As far as why FreeBSD isn't as popular as RH/Fedora - wait, you really mean it isn't? :) In addition - using it for a year now, this would make one think that the user would have read the cert thread of not even a month ago. There are threads from yesterday I didn't read. I try to limit what I read to those that indicate (reasonably) from the subject that it is something I can answer, something related to a particular problem I'm working on, or something otherwise of interest. I've been using FreeBSD for almost 5 years, and my knowledge of it is still a drop in the bucket. But let's really notice how the user unfolds the message. Starts off nice, curious to a point and even showing that the user wishes to possibly contribute to the foundation as a whole. Ah, yes. I was naieve once too. Thought I was the answer to all FreeBSDs problems :) Chalk it up to Newbie Zeal. Yeah, even though he's been using it for a year. Using it doesn't mean learning the internals, architecture, etc. I can install the OS, ports, set up a mail services, web services, ftp, firewall (more or less) and still I'm a newbie. FreeBSD is definitely my OS of preference, but I've lost a little of that zeal. Once the user softens the audience, delivers the one-two punch tactic of the evil creature known as a troll. However, this one don't look like Shrek Not sure he's necessarily a troll, but I see your angle. ... Just my comical way of looking at things. Most entertaining :) -- Best regards, Chris Ditto Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Pohl's law: Nothing is so good that somebody, somewhere, will not hate it. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd training/certification
On 01/02/05 06:47 PM, Chris sat at the `puter and typed: Jayton Garnett wrote: Hello, I am wondering if there are any training/certification courses that I could take to become a FreeBSD guru? I have been using the OS for over a year now and have become very familiar with installation/configuration but would like to be able to add some sort of certification to my CV. Also how much of a threat is Solaris 10 x86 to FreeBSD and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Thanks, Jayton Garnett Search this list - you will find all your answers. This has been hashed over many, many times. Do a little work on your part - and you'll find out on your own. That last line: Do a little work on your part - and you'll find out on your own. That's the certification program :) You can learn more about FreeBSD in a month on the list and reading the books written on it than you'll ever learn (or care to retain) from some MS cert program. Best part is it only costs book fees and . . . what's the brains equivalent of elbow grease? Hard work, anyway. The thing to remember is that using FreeBSD isn't learning FreeBSD. Not in the sense of a cert program. I've been using FreeBSD for almost 5 years, but I'd be up the creek if I had to perform a major crash recovery. I just haven't gotten round to that yet. If you want a FreeBSD cert, find the goals list of any major Unix cert program, learn how to do that on FreeBSD (on at least two major releases, like 4.10 and 5.3) then do it a lot. That's your cert, but it's really a self signed cert. If you did all the work, it's every bit as good as the one you'd have paid $2850 for, but there's no fancy plaque to hang up (unless you make it yourself) and nobody has to honor it - not that they *have* to place much stock in the MS or Sun certs. Good luck. Lou -- Louis LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fully Funded Hobbyist, KeySlapper Extrordinaire :) http://www.keyslapper.org ԿԬ Alexander Graham Bell is alive and well in New York, and still waiting for a dial tone. ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: freebsd training/certification
Chris wrote: snip The user states, I have been using the OS for over a year now, Hmmm seems to me that the user should KNOW the answer to, and how come FreeBSD is not as popular as RH/Fedora? Please, enlighten me, why is FreeBSD less popular than RH/Fedora, or linux in general for that matter? -- Tabor Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tabor.taborandtashell.net ___ freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Certification Program
On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:30 am, Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi there, I would like to know if there is a Certification Program for FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, like SUN's Solaris Certification Program for example. If there is, what is the procedure to make the exam(s)? I am in Salvador/Bahia/BRAZIL. The short answer is no. Some other people may wish to give a more comprehensive answer. Anyway, the FreeBSD organization is not a company in the same sense as Sun or Microsloth, etc that can set up a program to certify people in its wonders.The FreeBSD organization is a group of volunteers from all over the world that contribute to make the system. Although there is a core group that steers the project and tries to make sure additions and modifications are clean and meet standards, there is nothing that specifies the official way you must use the system. But, I have heard of some organizations that have undertaken to make up some training for FreeBSD and for UNIX in general. It seemd even like one might be in Brazil. But, I do not remember names or addresses. You might do some Google searching for FreeBSD training or something like that and see what you get. jerry The longer answer is yes :) NJIT offers open source unix certification (and it's recognized/endorsed by the FreeBSD Foundation) http://cpe.njit.edu/noncredit/#opensourceunix avaiable both online and in classroom. OK. That must be one of the third-party programs I have heard about. I didn't know any were officially endorsed by FreeBSD. jerry Tim Kellers CPE/NJIT ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Certification Program
Hi there, I would like to know if there is a Certification Program for FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, like SUN's Solaris Certification Program for example. If there is, what is the procedure to make the exam(s)? I am in Salvador/Bahia/BRAZIL. Thanks in advance, Ismael Filho. -- What was and what may be, lie, like children whose faces we cannot see, in the arms of silence. All we ever have is here, now. - Ursula K. Le Guin - _ MSN Messenger: instale grátis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Certification Program
Hi there, I would like to know if there is a Certification Program for FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, like SUN's Solaris Certification Program for example. If there is, what is the procedure to make the exam(s)? I am in Salvador/Bahia/BRAZIL. Thanks in advance, Ismael Filho. -- What was and what may be, lie, like children whose faces we cannot see, in the arms of silence. All we ever have is here, now. - Ursula K. Le Guin - _ MSN Messenger: instale grátis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Certification Program
Hi there, I would like to know if there is a Certification Program for FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, like SUN's Solaris Certification Program for example. If there is, what is the procedure to make the exam(s)? I am in Salvador/Bahia/BRAZIL. The short answer is no. Some other people may wish to give a more comprehensive answer. Anyway, the FreeBSD organization is not a company in the same sense as Sun or Microsloth, etc that can set up a program to certify people in its wonders.The FreeBSD organization is a group of volunteers from all over the world that contribute to make the system. Although there is a core group that steers the project and tries to make sure additions and modifications are clean and meet standards, there is nothing that specifies the official way you must use the system. But, I have heard of some organizations that have undertaken to make up some training for FreeBSD and for UNIX in general. It seemd even like one might be in Brazil. But, I do not remember names or addresses. You might do some Google searching for FreeBSD training or something like that and see what you get. jerry Thanks in advance, Ismael Filho. -- What was and what may be, lie, like children whose faces we cannot see, in the arms of silence. All we ever have is here, now. - Ursula K. Le Guin - _ MSN Messenger: instale grátis e converse com seus amigos. http://messenger.msn.com.br ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Certification Program
On Tuesday 03 August 2004 11:30 am, Jerry McAllister wrote: Hi there, I would like to know if there is a Certification Program for FreeBSD, OpenBSD or NetBSD, like SUN's Solaris Certification Program for example. If there is, what is the procedure to make the exam(s)? I am in Salvador/Bahia/BRAZIL. The short answer is no. Some other people may wish to give a more comprehensive answer. Anyway, the FreeBSD organization is not a company in the same sense as Sun or Microsloth, etc that can set up a program to certify people in its wonders.The FreeBSD organization is a group of volunteers from all over the world that contribute to make the system. Although there is a core group that steers the project and tries to make sure additions and modifications are clean and meet standards, there is nothing that specifies the official way you must use the system. But, I have heard of some organizations that have undertaken to make up some training for FreeBSD and for UNIX in general. It seemd even like one might be in Brazil. But, I do not remember names or addresses. You might do some Google searching for FreeBSD training or something like that and see what you get. jerry The longer answer is yes :) NJIT offers open source unix certification (and it's recognized/endorsed by the FreeBSD Foundation) http://cpe.njit.edu/noncredit/#opensourceunix avaiable both online and in classroom. Tim Kellers CPE/NJIT ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions To unsubscribe, send any mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Looking for database certification / test
Does Sybasse V11 is certified on FreeBSD Does any one of you alreday perform install/and test t an Oracle 9I Database on FreeBSD. I know that Oracle is not actually available on this OS Thanks for your help. Best regards P. Dimpre begin:vcard n:Dimpre;Patrick tel;cell:+33 (0)6 08 94 23 82 tel;work:+33 (0)1 57 60 28 33 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Oracle France;Division Industrie version:2.1 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Responsable technique de compte adr;quoted-printable:;;15 Boulevard Charles de Gaulle=0D=0A=0D=0A;Colombes;;92715;FRANCE fn:Patrick Dimpre end:vcard
