Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Portable Music Player

2005-06-27 Thread Benjamin Fritzsche
On Monday 27 June 2005 21:22, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a portable music player, but I'm not sure what to
> get, so I'm polling for recommendations.
>
> Ogg/Vorbis support is a *requirement*, as is a Linux interface to the
> device.
>
> I'd prefer to be able to simply mount it as a USB device, but as long as
> I can add/remove/view the contents of the player from Linux it'll be
> fine.  A GPL/BSD firmware and/or Linux interface is a plus.
>
> I'm not set on hard drive or flash based so feel free to recommend on
> either or both.
>
> --
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I´ve got a Creative Zen Touch 20GB.
positive: over 20 hours of battery life in real world (24hrs. spec.), best 
Audio quality of all 20G players (According to reviews 98db, I´m not a 
musician but quality is excellent.) Cheapest 20G player available in europe. 
good build quality and a very good and simple UI.
Works well with linux (look for libnjb (in portage), kzenexplorer 
(sourceforge) or gnomad2 (portage).


negative: 
NO SUPPORT FOR OGG!!!
Doesn´t come up as a USB harddrive. not even for data. even windows needs 
drivers and a little explorer plugin to handle it.
Data Transfer under Linux is quite a bit slower than in Win, but still okay, 
Haven´t done any tests, just a feeling.
A bit bulky: about the Size of a 4G Ipod, a little heavier and a little 
Thicker (prob. Battery)

Hope that helps.

Benny

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Re: [gentoo-user] compile probs in general (tightvnc in particular)

2005-06-27 Thread Colin

James Ferguson wrote:


i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5 * was already set as default.
so I evn-update and source /etc/profile, still got the same error.

am I right in assuming that i need to set my default profile to 
"i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc" ?


gcc-config -l shows these options:

[1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5 *
[2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardened
[3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardenednopie
[4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardenednossp

how do i create one for i386 or more likely how do i get tightvnc to
compile with this profile.

Well if you don't have it, then this isn't the problem.  Re-select 
profile 1, env-update, source /etc/profile and see if it works.  If not, 
then it's something that I can't help you with.


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[gentoo-user] 2.6.12* hoses ati and bcm4400

2005-06-27 Thread Iain Buchanan
Hi,

I recently upgraded to 2.6.12, and on my recompile of all associated
parts, ati-drivers had some trouble, and bcm4400 plain didn't compile!
This process has worked almost flawlessly for me through many 2.6
kernels.

With 2.6.12 I managed to get ati-drivers working, but on boot, when
loading vesafb (tng) the kernel message shows the ati card string, and
then hung about 50% of the time.

With 2.6.12.1 it hung 100% of the time at this point.

I got around the bcm4400 issue by using the kernel's b44 driver.  I
haven't use this in the past because I had some lockup issues with it,
however, with 2.6.12 they seem to be gone, so I'm not so worried about
it.

I would be interested in hearing from any one else who had success /
failure with the 2.6.12* kernel and ati drivers.

Many thanks,
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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Zac Medico
askar ... wrote:
> On 6/27/05, Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>askar ... wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello!
>>>
>>>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
>>>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
>>>kernel there is no driver for it.
>>>Help me.
>>>
>>>askar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I believe the module for that card is 3c59x and has to be compiled
>>either as a module or in the kernel.  You can test that by modprobing
>>the module and see what happens. Once you've done that, follow the
>>network setup as outlined in the Gentoo install guide.
>>
>>Cheers.
> 
> Thanks, but modprobe 3c59x gave me errror: FATAL: Module 3c59x not found.
> In kernel there is no option for 3c59x
> 
> askar
> 

You don't have a module because you did CONFIG_VORTEX=y instead of 
CONFIG_VORTEX=m.  If you had built the driver as a module then "modprobe 3c59x" 
would work.

What about "dmesg | grep eth"?  Did that turn up anything?

Zac

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
> CONFIG_VORTEX=y seems like the right one.  Is there anything interesting from 
> dmesg or /var/log/messages?
> 
> dmesg | grep eth
> grep eth /var/log/messages
> 
> Zac
3c905 card is eth0 in my case.
In /var/log/messages concerning eth0 I have: Dropping NETIF_F_SG since
no checksum feature.

I'm going to try below.

askar
> config VORTEX
> tristate "3c590/3c900 series (592/595/597) \"Vortex/Boomerang\" 
> support"
> depends on NET_VENDOR_3COM && (PCI || EISA)
> select MII
> ---help---
>   This option enables driver support for a large number of 10mbps and
>   10/100mbps EISA, PCI and PCMCIA 3Com network cards:
> 
>   "Vortex"(Fast EtherLink 3c590/3c592/3c595/3c597) EISA and PCI
>   "Boomerang" (EtherLink XL 3c900 or 3c905)PCI
>   "Cyclone"   (3c540/3c900/3c905/3c980/3c575/3c656)PCI and Cardbus
>   "Tornado"   (3c905)  PCI
>   "Hurricane" (3c555/3cSOHO)   PCI
> 
>   If you have such a card, say Y and read the Ethernet-HOWTO,
>   available from . More
>   specific information is in
>and in the comments at
>   the beginning of .
> 
>   To compile this support as a module, choose M here and read
>   .
> 
> 
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
On 6/27/05, Ted Ozolins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> askar ... wrote:
> 
> >Hello!
> >
> >Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> >[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> >kernel there is no driver for it.
> >Help me.
> >
> >askar
> >
> >
> >
> I believe the module for that card is 3c59x and has to be compiled
> either as a module or in the kernel.  You can test that by modprobing
> the module and see what happens. Once you've done that, follow the
> network setup as outlined in the Gentoo install guide.
> 
> Cheers.
Thanks, but modprobe 3c59x gave me errror: FATAL: Module 3c59x not found.
In kernel there is no option for 3c59x

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Richard Fish


askar ... wrote:

>> Can you run lspci and show us the output?
>
> :02:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
> :02:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX
> [Boomerang]


Please run again with:

lspci -n

That will generate output that includes the PCI vendor and device IDs. 
You can compare that to the listings in "vortex_pci_tbl" in
/usr/src/linux/drivers/net/3c59x.c, and make sure that device ID is
listed.  If it is, then there should really be no problem getting it
recognized.

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Zac Medico
askar ... wrote:
>>Can you run lspci and show us the output?
> 
> :02:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
> RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
> :02:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
> 
> kernel's config:
> CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
> CONFIG_MII=y
> CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y
> CONFIG_EL3=y
> CONFIG_3C515=y
> CONFIG_VORTEX=y
> CONFIG_TYPHOON=y
> CONFIG_NET_PCI=y
> CONFIG_EEPRO100=y
> CONFIG_8139TOO=y
> CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y
> 
> 3Com 3c905 still don't work.
> 
> askar
> 

CONFIG_VORTEX=y seems like the right one.  Is there anything interesting from 
dmesg or /var/log/messages?

dmesg | grep eth
grep eth /var/log/messages

Zac
config VORTEX
tristate "3c590/3c900 series (592/595/597) \"Vortex/Boomerang\" support"
depends on NET_VENDOR_3COM && (PCI || EISA)
select MII
---help---
  This option enables driver support for a large number of 10mbps and
  10/100mbps EISA, PCI and PCMCIA 3Com network cards:

  "Vortex"(Fast EtherLink 3c590/3c592/3c595/3c597) EISA and PCI
  "Boomerang" (EtherLink XL 3c900 or 3c905)PCI
  "Cyclone"   (3c540/3c900/3c905/3c980/3c575/3c656)PCI and Cardbus
  "Tornado"   (3c905)  PCI
  "Hurricane" (3c555/3cSOHO)   PCI

  If you have such a card, say Y and read the Ethernet-HOWTO,
  available from . More
  specific information is in
   and in the comments at
  the beginning of .

  To compile this support as a module, choose M here and read
  .


[gentoo-user] Re: can't ping myself when iptables running

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
Sorry, I forgot one more thing.
I was meaning that I could not ping xxx.xxx.xxx.158 from outside.
However I could ping xxx.xxx.xxx.71 and xxx.xxx.xxx.157

askar

On 6/28/05, askar ... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I found out that when I run iptables rule below:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> IPTABLES='/sbin/iptables'
> 
> # Set interface values
> EXTIF='eth1'
> INTIF1='eth0'
> 
> # enable ip forwarding in the kernel
> /bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
> 
> # flush rules and delete chains
> $IPTABLES -F
> $IPTABLES -X
> 
> # enable masquerading to allow LAN internet access
> $IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE
> 
> # forward LAN traffic from $INTIF1 to Internet interface $EXTIF
> $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF1 -o $EXTIF -m state --state
> NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
> 
> #echo -e "   - Allowing access to the SSH server"
> $IPTABLES -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
> 
> #echo -e "   - Allowing access to the HTTP server"
> #$IPTABLES -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT
> 
> $IPTABLES -I INPUT --protocol tcp --dport smtp -i INTIF1 -j REJECT
> ---
> ip address of the nic connected to the modem is not pinged.
> But I don't set any restriction for icmp???
> 
> In thins case I don't use rp-pppoe connection. ADSL modem internally
> has have to interfaces lan and wan. Modem has its own static ip, and
> nic has also static ip:
> modem ip xxx.xxx.xxx.157
> modem wan ip xxx.xxx.xxx.71
> eth connected with modem xxx.xxx.xxx.158
> 
> askar
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] compile probs in general (tightvnc in particular)

2005-06-27 Thread James Ferguson
i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5 * was already set as default.
so I evn-update and source /etc/profile, still got the same error.

am I right in assuming that i need to set my default profile to 
"i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc" ?

gcc-config -l shows these options:

[1] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5 *
[2] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardened
[3] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardenednopie
[4] i686-pc-linux-gnu-3.3.5-hardenednossp

how do i create one for i386 or more likely how do i get tightvnc to
compile with this profile.
 

On 6/28/05, Colin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> James Ferguson wrote:
> 
> >Hi All,
> >
> >Im having trouble emerging tightvnc, I'm running a 2005.0 stage 3 system
> >
> >this is the error im getting:
> >
> >gcc-config error: Could not run/locate "i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc"
> >make[2]: *** [vncauth.o] Error 1
> >make[2]: Leaving directory
> >`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc/libvncauth'
> >make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
> >make[1]: Leaving directory
> >`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc'
> >make: *** [World] Error 2
> >
> >If anyone could suggest a cause for this i would be greatfull, as a
> >lot of other software i have been trying to install has been failing
> >to compile and im starting to think it could all be related.
> >
> I had the same problem while bootstrapping.  After the bootstrap failed,
> I just ran gcc-config to switch to i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3.3.5, and
> continued the bootstrap where I left off..  Use gcc-config and select a
> new compiler.  Then env-update; source /etc/profile and emerge again.
> 
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[gentoo-user] can't ping myself when iptables running

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
Hello!

I found out that when I run iptables rule below:

#!/bin/bash
IPTABLES='/sbin/iptables'

# Set interface values
EXTIF='eth1'
INTIF1='eth0'

# enable ip forwarding in the kernel
/bin/echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward

# flush rules and delete chains
$IPTABLES -F
$IPTABLES -X

# enable masquerading to allow LAN internet access
$IPTABLES -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o $EXTIF -j MASQUERADE

# forward LAN traffic from $INTIF1 to Internet interface $EXTIF
$IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $INTIF1 -o $EXTIF -m state --state
NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT

#echo -e "   - Allowing access to the SSH server"
$IPTABLES -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT

#echo -e "   - Allowing access to the HTTP server"
#$IPTABLES -A INPUT --protocol tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT

$IPTABLES -I INPUT --protocol tcp --dport smtp -i INTIF1 -j REJECT
---
ip address of the nic connected to the modem is not pinged.
But I don't set any restriction for icmp???

In thins case I don't use rp-pppoe connection. ADSL modem internally
has have to interfaces lan and wan. Modem has its own static ip, and
nic has also static ip:
modem ip xxx.xxx.xxx.157
modem wan ip xxx.xxx.xxx.71
eth connected with modem xxx.xxx.xxx.158

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
> Can you run lspci and show us the output?
:02:07.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
:02:09.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]

kernel's config:
CONFIG_NET_ETHERNET=y
CONFIG_MII=y
CONFIG_NET_VENDOR_3COM=y
CONFIG_EL3=y
CONFIG_3C515=y
CONFIG_VORTEX=y
CONFIG_TYPHOON=y
CONFIG_NET_PCI=y
CONFIG_EEPRO100=y
CONFIG_8139TOO=y
CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y

3Com 3c905 still don't work.

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Re: [gentoo-user] KDE 3.4.1 won't start

2005-06-27 Thread Joseph Drake
Yes, this works fine. Thanks!

On 6/27/05, LostSon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Switch it to
>  kde-3.4
>  and it will fire right up
> 
> 
> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 00:18 +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote:
> > On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:07:59 +0200, q-parser wrote:
> >
> > > I've just emerged kde-meta-3.4.1, but it won't start after issuing
> > > "startx". I changed XSESSION in /etc/rc.conf to "kde-meta-3.4.1" but
> > > still nothing.
> >
> > I think it should be "kde-3.4.1", no "meta", but I've always used a plain
> > "kde" and it picks up the latest version.
> >
> >
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Re: [gentoo-user] BaseLayout Shutdown not working

2005-06-27 Thread Robert Robinson
On 6/27/05, Peter Karlsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Robert Robinson wrote:
> 
> > Well, I don't even have that installed, and don't eremember ever
> > having to install it to get it to work in the first place.
> >
> > But, try everything once I guess.
> 
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Powerdown_on_shutdown_-h
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Peter K
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> 

the problem wasn't the kernel, it was that it wasn't given enough time
to halt before the halt -f command was sent.

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Re: [gentoo-user] compile probs in general (tightvnc in particular)

2005-06-27 Thread Colin

James Ferguson wrote:


Hi All,

Im having trouble emerging tightvnc, I'm running a 2005.0 stage 3 system

this is the error im getting:

gcc-config error: Could not run/locate "i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc"
make[2]: *** [vncauth.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc/libvncauth'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc'
make: *** [World] Error 2

If anyone could suggest a cause for this i would be greatfull, as a
lot of other software i have been trying to install has been failing
to compile and im starting to think it could all be related.

I had the same problem while bootstrapping.  After the bootstrap failed, 
I just ran gcc-config to switch to i686-pc-linux-gnu-gcc-3.3.5, and 
continued the bootstrap where I left off..  Use gcc-config and select a 
new compiler.  Then env-update; source /etc/profile and emerge again.


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[gentoo-user] compile probs in general (tightvnc in particular)

2005-06-27 Thread James Ferguson
Hi All,

Im having trouble emerging tightvnc, I'm running a 2005.0 stage 3 system

this is the error im getting:

gcc-config error: Could not run/locate "i386-pc-linux-gnu-gcc"
make[2]: *** [vncauth.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc/libvncauth'
make[1]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/var/tmp/portage/tightvnc-1.3_alpha5/work/vnc_unixsrc'
make: *** [World] Error 2

If anyone could suggest a cause for this i would be greatfull, as a
lot of other software i have been trying to install has been failing
to compile and im starting to think it could all be related.

tia,
James
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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Portable Music Player

2005-06-27 Thread Neil Bothwick
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:22:34 -0400, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a portable music player, but I'm not sure what to 
> get, so I'm polling for recommendations.
> 
> Ogg/Vorbis support is a *requirement*, as is a Linux interface to the 
> device.
> 
> I'd prefer to be able to simply mount it as a USB device, but as long
> as I can add/remove/view the contents of the player from Linux it'll be 
> fine.  A GPL/BSD firmware and/or Linux interface is a plus.

I use an iRiver H320, hard drive player. It plays Ogg Vorbis and mounts
as a standard USB storage device. There is a Linux program to create
playlists for it, but I haven't tried that yet.


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Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Portable Music Player

2005-06-27 Thread Bob Sanders
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:22:34 -0400
"Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm looking to buy a portable music player, but I'm not sure what to 
> get, so I'm polling for recommendations.
> 
> Ogg/Vorbis support is a *requirement*, as is a Linux interface to the 
> device.
> 

I've used a Neuros, V1, in the past for a few years and it's worked fine until
the battery recharge circuitry ate itself.  The hard drive is now in one of my
Gentoo systems as a system drive.  (Definition - after multiple firmware 
upgrades,
it finally started working fine last year.)  Downside of the V1 was that it's 
audio
output was pretty crappy by my standards.  The V2 and the new model coming out
this fall, I can't comment on.

I now use an iRiver IFP-999 with the ifp-line driver (it's emergable) and the
ifpmanager, a perl script - http://ifp-manager.sourceforge.net/


> I'd prefer to be able to simply mount it as a USB device, but as long as 
> I can add/remove/view the contents of the player from Linux it'll be 
> fine.  A GPL/BSD firmware and/or Linux interface is a plus.
> 

The iriver doesn't act like a USB storage device, but it's easy enough to deal 
with.
Beware, that not all iRiver products support Ogg/Vorbis.  Check the specs.

> I'm not set on hard drive or flash based so feel free to recommend on 
> either or both.
> 

Downside to hard drives - fragile, suck power, physically larger, will die 
sooner.

Downside to flash - limited to 1 GB, at the moment, for reasonable costs.  
(Note,
the 1 GB iRiver I bought was actually 
significantly less
at iRiver's online store then their suggested 
list on their main
web site - check the real prices.)

Upside of hard drive - Was able to load up all 13 GB of music.  For me, 1 GB of 
Ogg
files on the iRiver is approx 120 songs.

Upside of flash drive - Really small, lightweight, rugged, and easy to carry.  
Audio
quality of this particular iRiver is very, very 
good when used
with good headphones - the included ear buds 
suck.

Sharp Zaurus - Audio quality out of the C860 or C3000 is outstanding.  A bit 
tricky
on the C3000 to get a player to play Ogg files, much 
easier on
the 5600 or C860 - theKompany's $20 music player works 
ok.
Music can be stored on SD or CF and moved in and out.
USB network support is outstanding, while sync support 
still
sucks on Linux.  Downside is the Sharp's a a bit bulky, 
but they
do include a keyboard and full computer functionality.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 1210SA / 1205SA opinions

2005-06-27 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.

Jakub Krajcovic wrote:
i am about to buy an adaptec 1210SA "fakeraid" controller, or a 1205SA 
host controller, and 2 SATA disks at about 200GB. Could someone please 
recommend this, or say something against?


I haven't had any problems with my 1205SA.  But, I'm only using one 
channel with a 200GB.  I can't say anything about the 1210SA, though.


I could tell the difference over my old IDE drive immediately.

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Re: [gentoo-user] distcc not working

2005-06-27 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
[The scene: Joseph is having trouble getting distcc and distccmon-gnome 
to work.  I asked him to test outside of emerge.]


Joseph wrote:

Yes, it did work; I run the distccmon-gnome on both computers but the
activity only showed up on the computer that initiate the compiling .101
with IP of the client .103  


That's standard behavior.

distccmon-gnome shows the distcc jobs initiated from the current 
computer, not distcc jobs being serviced on the current computer.


If distcc jobs initiated from the current machine via emerge aren't 
showing up in distccmon-gnome.


Re-read the gentoo distcc guide, and it should tell you what directory 
you have to use as DISTCC_DIR is order to have distcc jobs initiated by 
emerge show up in distccmon-gnome.


Double check that distcc is in your FEATURES and that emerge is enabling 
it by reading 'emerge --info'.  Also, if you need to repost for more 
help, include the output of that command in your mail.


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[gentoo-user] [OT] Portable Music Player

2005-06-27 Thread Boyd Stephen Smith Jr.
I'm looking to buy a portable music player, but I'm not sure what to 
get, so I'm polling for recommendations.


Ogg/Vorbis support is a *requirement*, as is a Linux interface to the 
device.


I'd prefer to be able to simply mount it as a USB device, but as long as 
I can add/remove/view the contents of the player from Linux it'll be 
fine.  A GPL/BSD firmware and/or Linux interface is a plus.


I'm not set on hard drive or flash based so feel free to recommend on 
either or both.


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Re: [gentoo-user] Broken sudo

2005-06-27 Thread Sean Higgins

Chris,

Did you run etc-update, or dispatch-conf, to merge configuration file changes?  
I ran into the same error on several systems, but once I fixed up the 
configuration files changes, everything was fine.

Sean

On Sunday 26 June 2005 10:48 pm, Chris Ong wrote:
> Hi all,
>   And recent upgrade sudo-1.6.8_p9 make sudo with password inpossible.
>
>   After update sudo to the mentioned version, I get the problem and fixed
> by FAQ section in
>
> http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/troubleshooting.html
>
> Q) Sudo says 'Account expired or PAM config lacks an "account"
>section for sudo, contact your system administrator' and exits
>but I know my account has not expired.
> A) Your PAM config lacks an "account" specification.  On Linux this
>usually means you are missing a line like:
>   accountrequiredpam_unix.so
>in /etc/pam.d/sudo.
>
> But I was hung in this problem
>
> Q) When sudo asks me for my password it never accepts what I enter even
>though I know I entered my password correctly.
> A) If your system uses shadow passwords, it is possible that sudo
>didn't detect this.  Take a look at the generated config.h file
>and verify that the C function used for shadow password lookups
>was detected.  For instance, for SVR4-style shadow passwords,
>HAVE_GETSPNAM should be defined (you can search for the string
>"shadow passwords" in config.h with your editor).  Note that
>there is no define for 4.4BSD-based shadow passwords since that
>just uses the standard getpw* routines.
>
> Well, this is totally out from me to get this done. Is it a bug or
> anything in sudo source or the gentoo sudo ebuild?
>
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> Linux System Engineer
> RHCT Cert No: 603004347692007
> http://www.redhat.com/rhce/rhce603004347692007.html
>
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> Your Open Source Partner.
> http://www.md.com.my http://www.net.my
> 2005
>
> This week's fortune:
> ---
> Avoid the Gates of Hell.  Use Linux
> Ö(Unknown source)
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Re: [gentoo-user] Impress Templates

2005-06-27 Thread Justin Hart
Awesome.

Justin

On 6/27/05, Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Justin Hart wrote:
> > Hey,
> >
> > Is there an ebuild out there with a number of impress templates
> > therein?  It would seem as though I only have 2 templates to choose
> > from when developing an impress presentation.
> >
> 
> emerge ooextras
> 
> Zac
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Re: [gentoo-user] Impress Templates

2005-06-27 Thread Zac Medico
Justin Hart wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Is there an ebuild out there with a number of impress templates
> therein?  It would seem as though I only have 2 templates to choose
> from when developing an impress presentation.
> 

emerge ooextras

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[gentoo-user] Impress Templates

2005-06-27 Thread Justin Hart
Hey,

Is there an ebuild out there with a number of impress templates
therein?  It would seem as though I only have 2 templates to choose
from when developing an impress presentation.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install Situation

2005-06-27 Thread C.Beamer
Noah Roberts wrote:

>C.Beamer wrote:
>
>  
>
>>
>>How do I continue from where I left off or do I have to start all over
>>again?
>>
>>
>>
>I would gather that you are in a pre-bootable stage?  Did you emerge
>lilo or grub yet?  All you will need to do at this point then is to
>mount your filesystems and then chroot like it says in the handbook. 
>Then you should be ready to continue where you left off.
>  
>

In response to your question, no I haven't emerged the boot loader, so
will follow your other suggestion.

Thanks for the assistance.  Thanks to Colin as well.

Regards,

Colleen

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install Situation

2005-06-27 Thread Noah Roberts
C.Beamer wrote:

>Hello All,
>
>Yesterday, I started my first attempt at installing Gentoo.  This was a
>practice run on a test computer prior to installing on my regular computer.
>
>I let the kernel build run overnight and consequently was not able to
>finish the install before going to work today.  Everything was fine.  I
>did couple more steps as outlined in the Handbook when I was home at
>lunch.  I left the computer on because I wasn't finished the install and
>sometime this afternoon, there was a power blip and the computer
>rebooted.  Of course, my installation CD (Universal) was in the CD drive
>so, I'm back at the
>livecd root # prompt.
>
>How do I continue from where I left off or do I have to start all over
>again?
>
I would gather that you are in a pre-bootable stage?  Did you emerge
lilo or grub yet?  All you will need to do at this point then is to
mount your filesystems and then chroot like it says in the handbook. 
Then you should be ready to continue where you left off.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Install Situation

2005-06-27 Thread Colin

C.Beamer wrote:


Hello All,

Yesterday, I started my first attempt at installing Gentoo.  This was a
practice run on a test computer prior to installing on my regular computer.

I let the kernel build run overnight and consequently was not able to
finish the install before going to work today.  Everything was fine.  I
did couple more steps as outlined in the Handbook when I was home at
lunch.  I left the computer on because I wasn't finished the install and
sometime this afternoon, there was a power blip and the computer
rebooted.  Of course, my installation CD (Universal) was in the CD drive
so, I'm back at the
livecd root # prompt.

How do I continue from where I left off or do I have to start all over
again?

Of course not!  Just set up your network, mount your partitions and 
/proc and then chroot back into /mnt/gentoo.  Then just pick up where 
you think it left off.


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[gentoo-user] Install Situation

2005-06-27 Thread C.Beamer
Hello All,

Yesterday, I started my first attempt at installing Gentoo.  This was a
practice run on a test computer prior to installing on my regular computer.

I let the kernel build run overnight and consequently was not able to
finish the install before going to work today.  Everything was fine.  I
did couple more steps as outlined in the Handbook when I was home at
lunch.  I left the computer on because I wasn't finished the install and
sometime this afternoon, there was a power blip and the computer
rebooted.  Of course, my installation CD (Universal) was in the CD drive
so, I'm back at the
livecd root # prompt.

How do I continue from where I left off or do I have to start all over
again?

Regards,

Colleen
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Re: [gentoo-user] (A bit OT) Gentoo on a Dell OptiPlex G1

2005-06-27 Thread Colin

Walter Dnes wrote:


On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:36:51PM -0400, Colin wrote
 


Has anyone had any experience with this?  Would Gentoo install and
run on this machine without any problems?  It looks like it will make
an ideal server/NAT gateway/distcc node/rsync server/DHCP server/DNS
server/wireless AP for my home network.
   



 As long as you don't try loading X/gnome/KDE you should be OK.  Just
to see if it could be done, I got Gentoo working on a 400 mhz PII, Dell
Optiplex GX1.  There was one weird setting I needed in /etc/make.conf

MAKEOPTS="-j1"

With the recommended -j2 setting, compiles were blowing up.  Other than
that, and being a bit slow, it was OK.  How large is the hard drive?
 

I'm not loading any DE's, just the basic server stuff like OpenSSH, 
Squid, iptables, dhcpd, dnsmasq, ProFTPd, rsync, distcc, Samba, 
hardened-sources, etc.  This is still in the planning stages.  I've read 
through the Home Server HOWTO on the Gentoo Wiki site, that's where I 
got this great idea.


Taking a guess here:
 CHOST="i686-pc-linux-gnu"
 CFLAGS="-O2 -march=pentium3 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer -fstack-protector"

CPU:  Undecided, some flavor of Pentium III
RAM:  256 MB
Storage:  700 MB IDE (/boot, something else)
Storage:  18.2 GB Ultra160 SCSI (on a Series 428 MegaRAID)
OS:  Windows NT Server... kidding!  Gentoo!

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[gentoo-user] mldonkey previewer

2005-06-27 Thread sIbOk
I'm running mldonkey on a remote machine, to administrate it i use the
web interface and also kmldonkey. I would like to know how can i
preview partial donwloaded files. Someone knows how to do it?
thanks in advanced.

Currently i'm following those links:
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=previewer
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=mldonkey_previewer
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=PreviewDownload

I think mplayer or videolan must be installed on the server, but also
can work with mplayer on the client side or maybe with mplayerplug-in,
that's tight? someone is using previewer in mldonkey?
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[gentoo-user] mldonkey previewer

2005-06-27 Thread sIbOk
I'm running mldonkey on a remote machine, to administrate it i use the
web interface and also kmldonkey. I would like to know how can i
preview partial donwloaded files. Someone knows how to do it?
thanks in advanced.

Currently i'm following those links:
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=previewer
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=mldonkey_previewer
http://mldonkey.berlios.de/modules.php?name=Wiki&pagename=PreviewDownload

I think mplayer or videolan must be installed on the server, but also
can work with mplayer on the client side or maybe with mplayerplug-in,
that's tight? someone is using previewer in mldonkey?
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Re: [gentoo-user] javac & emerge error

2005-06-27 Thread Zac Medico
Matias Grana wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 03:56:39PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> 
>>Matias Grana wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:29:54PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
>>>
>>>
Matias Grana wrote:


>hi;
>As a result of an  'emerge -uD world',  I've run across this error while
>emerging gnu-classpath.
>
>--
>
>
>
Unpacking source...
Unpacking classpath-0.14.tar.gz to 
/var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work
Source unpacked.
>
>[ snip ]
>checking for gcj... no
>checking for jikes... no
>checking for kJC... no
>checking for gcjx... no
>checking for ecj... no
>configure: cannot find javac, try --with-gcj, --with-jikes, --with-kjc, or 
>--with-gcjx
>
>!!! Please attach the config.log to your bug report:
>!!! /var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work/classpath-0.14/config.log
>
>!!! ERROR: dev-java/gnu-classpath-0.14 failed.
>!!! Function econf, Line 485, Exitcode 0
>!!! econf failed
>!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status 
>message.
>--
>
>The file /var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work/classpath-0.14/config.log
>is too large to send it to the list (of course, I can send it if needed).
>Where should I look for a hint?
>
>TIA,
>Matias


You need a java compiler.  If you have a jdk like blackdown-jdk or sun-jdk 
then you can use java-config to choose  which one you want.  You can 
"emerge jikes" to get just a compiler. For gcj, you need to remerge gcc 
with USE=gcj enabled.  Almost any one of these compilers should work.

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>>>
>>>
>>>But I already had blackdown-jdk:
>>>
>>>mati(rojo)~$ java-config -c
>>>/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
>>>mati(rojo)~$ java-config -j
>>>/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/jar
>>>mati(rojo)~$ java-config -O
>>>/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
>>>mati(rojo)~$ java-config -o
>>>
>>>Except that it seems I don't have a JRE configured. Might this be the
>>>problem? I have  blackdown-jre-1.4.2.01  emerged, but it doesn't appear
>>>at the "java-config -o" command.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the answer, Zac,
>>>Matias
>>>
>>
>>The jre isn't useful because it doesn't have the javac compiler.
>>
>>You should only have to run these commands:
>>
>>java-config -S blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
>>source /etc/profile
>>
>>After that, you should have /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin in your PATH.
>>
>>which javac
>>/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
>>
>>Zac
> 
> 
> When I tried 
> $ java-config -S blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
> I got this error:
> Cannot find JAVA_HOME in config file /etc/env.d/java/22javacc
> 
> So I copied the JAVA_HOME line from
> /etc/env.d/java/20blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
> and could do the 'java-config -S'.
> But I still get the same problem when emerging world!
> 
> Afterwards, I tried changing the JAVA_HOME line by other things (and
> doing env-update && source /etc/profile accordingly), but things don't
> improve.  BTW: I already have /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin in my
> PATH, it doesn't help either.
> 
> Any clues?
> Thanks a lot anyway.
> Matías
> 

I think you can safely ignore that message about javacc.  That shouldn't affect 
your blackdown-jdk.  If java-config is working properly then all the variables 
from /etc/env.d/java/20blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02 should be copied to 
/etc/env.d/20java and /etc/profile.env.

The most important thing is that javac is in your search PATH.  When you run 
"which javac" it should tell you  /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac and you 
should be able to run javac from the shell.  Can you?  If not then something is 
wrong with your PATH.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Disk Backup From One Machine To Another

2005-06-27 Thread David Busby

Timo Boettcher wrote:

Hi David,

I would be very interested in this.

 Timo



Timo (and everyone else)
  I've posted that script so you can use it, added some documentation.  It's 
available here:

http://www.edoceo.com/creo/remote-host-secure-backup.php

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Re: [gentoo-user] OT? Gnome no bzip2 utility

2005-06-27 Thread Holly Bostick
Dave S schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
> 

> cd to the directory
> 
> bash-2.05b$ ls
> 36x36  README  index.theme  makePngFromSvg.sh  scalable
> bash-2.05b$ cat README
> This is a mostly complete svg icon set based on SGI's Indigo Magic Desktop.
> 


>>Some themes available on kde-look.org and (less often)
>>art.gnome.org or gnome-look.org need to be compiled first (they're
>>actually source tarballs rather than gnome-installable themes).
>>
> 
> I did not know that, but the README does not suggest compiling & there
> is no make file

I understand that--- but that script

makePngFromSvg.sh

must be in there for some reason, mustn't it? If you didn't have to
convert the .svg files, why would you need it? Because you were maybe
still using GNOME 2.4? Yeah, right. Well, OK, it's possible that the
theme has been around for a long time, from before GNOME fully supported
SVG. I take it back.

Anyway, why don't you just make a folder in your ~/.themes folder, with
the name of the theme, and drag the 36x36, index.theme, and scalable
items into it. That's all the theme manager does anyway.

Alternatively, open a file manager or file-roller as root, and extract
the same files to a "theme_name" folder in /usr/share/icons, which is
where the theme would be installed if it was installed as part of the
system.

One of those two is probably a better idea anyway; the theme manager can
be kind of a bear and doesn't usually work well for me anyway.

HTH,
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT? Gnome no bzip2 utility

2005-06-27 Thread Dave S
Holly Bostick wrote:

>Dave S schreef:
>  
>
>>I am starting to play with Gnome,
>>
>>I am trying to install some more icons, I drag my icon file to 'Theme
>>Preferences', it downloads then reports ...
>>
>>"Can not install theme.
>>The bzip2 utility is not installed"
>>
>>bash-2.05b$ emerge -p bzip2
>>
>>These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
>>
>>Calculating dependencies ...done!
>>[ebuild   R   ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3 
>>bash-2.05b$
>>
>>So it is there. I have tried comming out and then back into Gnome but
>>with the same result.
>>
>>Any ideas ?
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>
>
>Where did you get the icon theme from? 
>
http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1051

>Have you looked inside the
>archive? 
>
Nope but if I save it to the desktop,
bunzip2 it ..
tar xvf it ..
cd to the directory

bash-2.05b$ ls
36x36  README  index.theme  makePngFromSvg.sh  scalable
bash-2.05b$ cat README
This is a mostly complete svg icon set based on SGI's Indigo Magic Desktop.

If you come across any file types missing icons, drop me a note at
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll add it
bash-2.05b$


>Some themes available on kde-look.org and (less often)
>art.gnome.org or gnome-look.org need to be compiled first (they're
>actually source tarballs rather than gnome-installable themes).
>
I did not know that, but the README does not suggest compiling & there
is no make file

> Plus it
>would be useful to know if the archive is actually openable in the first
>place-- and by what program, 
>
Yep it opens by bunzip2

>so open it and look inside to see what's there.
>
>Weird error, though-- even for a theme.
>
>Holly
>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] Where can I download the gentoo binary for Ximian Evolution 2?

2005-06-27 Thread Hareesh Nagarajan
On 6/27/05, Holly Bostick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> IMO, Nick wasn't talking to you, Hareesh.

I thought he was!

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Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 1210SA / 1205SA opinions

2005-06-27 Thread Jakub Krajcovic
Ok, i ditched the whole 12xx thing, and bought a REAL raid controller, 
the adaptec 2410SA, because i learned that i have a much bigger budget 
than i previously thought



gmail - the best way to share your privacy with others
On jún 27, 2005, at 17:25, Bill Roberts wrote:


If you have a SATA controller on your motherboard (i.e., SATA
connections), the I would recommend foregoing the SATA controller and
just going with software RAID.

If you want hardware RAID, spend the money and get 3Ware.

Linux software RAID works very well.

Bill Roberts

On 13:49 Mon 27 Jun , Jakub Krajcovic wrote:

Hi guys,

i am about to buy an adaptec 1210SA "fakeraid" controller, or a 1205SA
host controller, and 2 SATA disks at about 200GB. Could someone please
recommend this, or say something against? I searched the whole net,
gentoo forums, gentoo wiki, and so far it looks quite good, but i 
still

am a bit afraid, whether or not this thing will work. (of course i am
going to install gentoo on this thing :-))

thanks
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Re: [gentoo-user] OT? Gnome no bzip2 utility

2005-06-27 Thread Holly Bostick
Dave S schreef:
> I am starting to play with Gnome,
> 
> I am trying to install some more icons, I drag my icon file to 'Theme
> Preferences', it downloads then reports ...
> 
> "Can not install theme.
> The bzip2 utility is not installed"
> 
> bash-2.05b$ emerge -p bzip2
> 
> These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> 
> Calculating dependencies ...done!
> [ebuild   R   ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3 
> bash-2.05b$
> 
> So it is there. I have tried comming out and then back into Gnome but
> with the same result.
> 
> Any ideas ?
> 
> Dave
> 

Where did you get the icon theme from? Have you looked inside the
archive? Some themes available on kde-look.org and (less often)
art.gnome.org or gnome-look.org need to be compiled first (they're
actually source tarballs rather than gnome-installable themes). Plus it
would be useful to know if the archive is actually openable in the first
place-- and by what program, so open it and look inside to see what's there.

Weird error, though-- even for a theme.

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[gentoo-user] OT? Gnome no bzip2 utility

2005-06-27 Thread Dave S
I am starting to play with Gnome,

I am trying to install some more icons, I drag my icon file to 'Theme
Preferences', it downloads then reports ...

"Can not install theme.
The bzip2 utility is not installed"

bash-2.05b$ emerge -p bzip2

These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

Calculating dependencies ...done!
[ebuild   R   ] app-arch/bzip2-1.0.3 
bash-2.05b$

So it is there. I have tried comming out and then back into Gnome but
with the same result.

Any ideas ?

Dave

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Re: [gentoo-user] BaseLayout Shutdown not working

2005-06-27 Thread Peter Karlsson

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005, Robert Robinson wrote:


Well, I don't even have that installed, and don't eremember ever
having to install it to get it to work in the first place.

But, try everything once I guess.


http://gentoo-wiki.com/TIP_Powerdown_on_shutdown_-h

Best regards

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:33:25 +0200
> Philip Lawatsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>>LDPATH. Have a look at /etc/env.d/05gcc.
>>
>>Hm, strange enough, this never shows up in my environment. Neither with
>>gcc3 or gcc4 profiles.
> 
> 
> Aaargh, my fault. This is used by env-update and gets - *grep, grep,
> grep* - written by it to /etc/ld.so.conf.
> 
> After reading "man ld.so" I remember the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment
> variable ;-)
> 
> You've got to set it to the corresponding dir in /usr/... (that LD_PATH
> setting).

I'm still wondering why I have to do it though. I also upgraded my glibc
while upgrading gcc. If recompiling libstdc++ (for does not fix the
problem (without setting LD_PATH) I'll file a bug about gcc-config -E
not printig out a correct LD_LIBRARY_PATH setting.

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Re: [gentoo-user] distcc not working

2005-06-27 Thread Joseph
[snip]
> > distcc [COMPILER] [compile options] -o OBJECT -c SOURCE
> > So in my example if I want to test it on 10.0.0.101 machine I would
> > enter:
> > distcc 10.0.0.103:3632  -o ?  -c ?
> > 
> > What do I put in place of OBJECT SOURCE? 
> 
> Oh, being a C programmer, I don't really have a problem finding 
> something to but in there. :P
> 
> try:
> 
> cat << EOF > hello.c
> #include 
> #include 
> 
> int main(int argc, char *argv[]) {
>   printf("Hello, World!\n");
>   return EXIT_SUCCESS;
> }
> EOF
> 
> distcc -o hello.o -c hello.c

Yes, it did work; I run the distccmon-gnome on both computers but the
activity only showed up on the computer that initiate the compiling .101
with IP of the client .103  

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Re: [gentoo-user] Would zapping USE in make.defaults hurt anything?

2005-06-27 Thread Holly Bostick
Richard Fish schreef:
> Holly Bostick wrote:
> 
> 
>>Walter Dnes schreef:
>> 
>>> The point which I'm trying to make, and everybody else seems to be
>>>missing, is that *THE DEFAULTS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING UNDER OUR FEET*.
>>>Several weeks ago, I didn't have to put -gnome in USE in /etc/make.conf.
>>>Now I do.  Several months ago, I didn't have to put -ipv6 in USE.  Now I
>>>do.  
>>>   
>>>
>>
>>I'm sorry, I don't agree that the defaults are "constantly" changing.
>>I'm 99% positive that gnome was a default in last year's profiles (as
>>was kde), and I'm moderately less certain about ipv6, but I do think it
>>was there. Perhaps your, like my, usage habits have changed, so you have
>>only now *noticed* these defaults (that's why I'm less certain about
>>ipv6; I never paid attention to it until I decided to stop using it),
>>rather than that the defaults themselves have changed.
>>
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> I think this is accurate, at least for gnome,kde,arts,...although ipv6
> seems to be a fairly new addition.  What I find happens most often is
> that a package that I already have installed gets an updated ebuild,
> which now includes some USE flag that was already set by default. 
> Because I don't have any other packages installed that use that flag, I
> don't specify it anywhere.  But when when the update occurs, now it
> looks like I have to pull in 5-10 other packages, or change my use flags
> to exclude it.
> 
> Adding --newuse to the emerge command gives a good clue when USE flags
> get updated though.
> 
> -Richard
> 

That's another point as well, Richard-- control of USE flags is much
more fine-grained now than it was let us say a year ago, when I last
installed Gentoo. So it's often not so much that the USE flags are
changing as that more USE flags are being made visible than were
previously. Program updates are moving previously "always compiled"
functions into USE flags that we can control (witness GDM and PAM, and
in the future apparently OO.o will also have a working PAM USE flag,
which it didn't before, until people started complaining that they had
removed PAM, but had to emerge it in for OO.o). Also, some USE flags--
notably kde-- don't quite have the same meaning anymore, because of the
split ebuilds... I check any ebuild that comes up with a kde flag,
because I have some KDE parts, but not all, so I always want to know if
the part of KDE that the flag for the specific program I'm trying to
install refers to is one I have or one I don't, and if compiling the
program -kde will break something.

The thing is, this is how it's supposed to be, as far as I understand
it. The control of USE flags is at the heart of Gentoo's
customizeability, and we're intended to use --newuse, and watch for the
green flags, and the starred flags, so we know what's going on, and to
actively contol what's going on.

I'll grant that it's maybe kind of a rocky transition, as we all get
used to the increased information flow, and absorb the meaning of it
all, but the tools to manage it all are still there, just like they've
always been (and getting better all the time). So I must say I don't see
 cause to complain; I use Gentoo and not whatever else because I *want*
this control, after all.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:33:25 +0200
Philip Lawatsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > LDPATH. Have a look at /etc/env.d/05gcc.
> 
> Hm, strange enough, this never shows up in my environment. Neither with
> gcc3 or gcc4 profiles.

Aaargh, my fault. This is used by env-update and gets - *grep, grep,
grep* - written by it to /etc/ld.so.conf.

After reading "man ld.so" I remember the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment
variable ;-)

You've got to set it to the corresponding dir in /usr/... (that LD_PATH
setting).

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Richard Fish wrote:
> Philip Lawatsch wrote:
> 
> 
>>So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
>>there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
>>programs compiled with gcc 4?
>> 
>>
> 
> 
> I haven't verified this (try switching configs back and forth to
> verify), but I believe the problem is in /etc/ld.so.conf.  This file
> tells the dynamic linker what directories to search for a library.
> 
> You can do one of two things:
> 
> 1. Export "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" to point to the directory where the gcc4
> stdc++ library is
> 2. Add the same directory to /etc/ld.so.conf.
> 
> The problem with #2 is that I am pretty sure that if you switch
> gcc-configs too many times, you will end up removing your edits.

The real problem is not ld.so.conf but that the lib dirs of the selected
gcc-profile are first in the list and that the others come later. Now
when I manually set ld_library_path as you suggested it works fine.

Thanks a bunch!

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Richard Fish
Luigi Pinna wrote:

>Have you run the script fix_libtool_files.sh?
>After a gcc emerge (if it removes an old version) you must use always 
>the command:
>  
>

No, this is only to fix _building_ programs that use libtool, not for
run-time dynamic linking issues.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Richard Fish
Philip Lawatsch wrote:

>So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
>there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
>programs compiled with gcc 4?
>  
>

I haven't verified this (try switching configs back and forth to
verify), but I believe the problem is in /etc/ld.so.conf.  This file
tells the dynamic linker what directories to search for a library.

You can do one of two things:

1. Export "LD_LIBRARY_PATH" to point to the directory where the gcc4
stdc++ library is
2. Add the same directory to /etc/ld.so.conf.

The problem with #2 is that I am pretty sure that if you switch
gcc-configs too many times, you will end up removing your edits.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:09:44 -0400
Travis Osterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My only concern is that while this will
> work for my web server, it appears as though I would have to put all
> my service-providing machines on different subnets and have rules for
> each of them ... am I understanding that correctly?

Hm, depends on the service. But I think fairly all could be placed in
the same "DMZ" subnet. Only DNS-dependent access between the machines
in the DMZ using the "external" DNS name wouldn't work. But clean
design of the services should not allow to let such a situation arise.

> Also, sadly, my
> webserver is doubling as a samba server right now and I'm not overly
> optimistic that windows will see it on the different subnet.

OK, i agree. Probably setting up two networks on the webserver as well
could easily solve this. I tend to now call our "DMZ" just "virtual
other subnet" as there's no clear rule between them.

so we have three networks:
- WAN (ppp0)
- LAN (eth1/192.168.1.x)
- "virtual other subnet" (eth1/192.168.3.x)

where the last share the medium.

The webserver/samba machine should listen on 192.168.3.x for webserver
requests and should serve Samba on the 192.168.1.x address. But it
would work if both services listen on both addresses as well.

> Is there a way to check and see is local traffic is (terminally)
> destined for ppp0 and set up a chain to filter by port and reroute
> that traffic to the appropriate lan computer?

Hm, local traffic destined for ppp0 would show up on nat/POSTROUTING.

> Could dnsmasq point
> my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to the address of eth1 instead of ppp0 to
> make the routing easier (bypassing NAT)?

Yes, of course. dnsmasq could answer with the _real_ IP address of the
webserver. But if all services are to be distributed from the router to
various other machines instead of (in the LAN) their real IPs, that
wouldn't work as only one IP address can be answered by dnsmasq for one
specific domain name. That's actually the problem's core (translated
freely from German). You want to separate the traffic from the virtual
service provider identified by the domain name transparently to other
machines. So you will not only have to provide the way to the real
machines hidden behind the router but also the way back. With the
iptables approach only, the packets would even be sent back to the
requesting machines. But there they wont (probably, maybe another
network pro could be more clear on this? But I think we've lost most of
the readers down here;-) ) be recognized as correct answers, I think,
and such being dropped (because the request was made to $Router_Machine
and the answer comes back from $Real_Service).

Another possibility would be to setup proxy servers on the Router. But
that scales far worser with the number of services. OTOH, this is
needed if the service itself is not routable.

> I'm still really green at network design issues, but this is a
> fasinating problem to me.  Thanks for your input so far.

Well, it also is to me. Never thought that much on such issues before.
Actually, the approach via routing to a "virtual other subnet" came to
my mind when I finished a reply using only one additional rule in
iptables. Only then I thought about the answers from the servers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Would zapping USE in make.defaults hurt anything?

2005-06-27 Thread Richard Fish
Holly Bostick wrote:

>Walter Dnes schreef:
>  
>
>>On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:39:15AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Bit I think you're missing the point. These are DEFAULTS, if you
>>>really don't want any unnecessary GNOME packages installed, you
>>>should be specifically including -gnome in /etc/make.conf.
>>>  
>>>
>>  The point which I'm trying to make, and everybody else seems to be
>>missing, is that *THE DEFAULTS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING UNDER OUR FEET*.
>>Several weeks ago, I didn't have to put -gnome in USE in /etc/make.conf.
>>Now I do.  Several months ago, I didn't have to put -ipv6 in USE.  Now I
>>do.  
>>
>>
>
>I'm sorry, I don't agree that the defaults are "constantly" changing.
>I'm 99% positive that gnome was a default in last year's profiles (as
>was kde), and I'm moderately less certain about ipv6, but I do think it
>was there. Perhaps your, like my, usage habits have changed, so you have
>only now *noticed* these defaults (that's why I'm less certain about
>ipv6; I never paid attention to it until I decided to stop using it),
>rather than that the defaults themselves have changed.
>
>  
>

I think this is accurate, at least for gnome,kde,arts,...although ipv6
seems to be a fairly new addition.  What I find happens most often is
that a package that I already have installed gets an updated ebuild,
which now includes some USE flag that was already set by default. 
Because I don't have any other packages installed that use that flag, I
don't specify it anywhere.  But when when the update occurs, now it
looks like I have to pull in 5-10 other packages, or change my use flags
to exclude it.

Adding --newuse to the emerge command gives a good clue when USE flags
get updated though.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Luigi Pinna wrote:
> Alle 19:01, lunedì 27 giugno 2005, Philip Lawatsch ha scritto:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>
>>I'd like to use gcc 4 to compile some of my own software but still
>>use 3.4 for everything else (all ebuilds etc).
>>
>>Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did
>>export the variables a

> Have you run the script fix_libtool_files.sh?
> After a gcc emerge (if it removes an old version) you must use always 
> the command:
> fix_libtool_files.sh oldgcc
> Try now!

Won't help / matter since I want to use 3.4.x as the default gcc used by
portage and everything else on my system. I did _not_ upgrade this one
but instead also installed gcc 4. So afaik nothing has to be fixed.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Philip Lawatsch wrote:
> Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> 
>>Hi,
>>
>>On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:01 +0200
>>Philip Lawatsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did export
>>>the variables a
>>>
>>>gcc-config -E x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.0.1-pre20050616
>>>
>>>printed out.
>>>
>>>This way I successfully compiled and linked my programm with gcc4.
>>>
>>>Now my problem is that I can't execute it.
>>>[...]
>>>So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
>>>there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
>>>programs compiled with gcc 4?
>>
>>
>>LDPATH. Have a look at /etc/env.d/05gcc.
> 
> 
> Hm, strange enough, this never shows up in my environment. Neither with
> gcc3 or gcc4 profiles.
> 
> I'll give it a try as soon as my current compilation finishes.

Nope, didnt help. I did the following

icefox gentoo-64 # gcc-config  1
 * Sw

 * If you intend to use the gcc from the new profile in an already
 * running shell, please remember to do:

 *   # source /etc/profile

icefox gentoo-64 # . /etc/profile
icefox gentoo-64 # gcc-config -E 5
export
PATH="/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.0.1-pre20050616:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.3:/opt/Acrobat5:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin"

icefox gentoo-64 # export
PATH="/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.0.1-pre20050616:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4.3:/opt/Acrobat5:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin:/opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/jre/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.4/sbin:/usr/kde/3.4/bin"

icefox gentoo-64 # export
LDPATH="/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.0.1-pre20050616:/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.0.1-pre20050616/32:/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3:/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3/32"


icefox gentoo-64 # ./foo
./foo: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libstdc++.so.6: version
`GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found (required by ./foo)


Any other ideas?

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Hans-Werner Hilse wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:01 +0200
> Philip Lawatsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did export
>>the variables a
>>
>>gcc-config -E x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.0.1-pre20050616
>>
>>printed out.
>>
>>This way I successfully compiled and linked my programm with gcc4.
>>
>>Now my problem is that I can't execute it.
>>[...]
>>So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
>>there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
>>programs compiled with gcc 4?
> 
> 
> LDPATH. Have a look at /etc/env.d/05gcc.

Hm, strange enough, this never shows up in my environment. Neither with
gcc3 or gcc4 profiles.

I'll give it a try as soon as my current compilation finishes.

Thanx for the help.

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Luigi Pinna
Alle 19:01, lunedì 27 giugno 2005, Philip Lawatsch ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
>
> I'd like to use gcc 4 to compile some of my own software but still
> use 3.4 for everything else (all ebuilds etc).
>
> Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did
> export the variables a
>
> gcc-config -E x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.0.1-pre20050616
>
> printed out.
>
> This way I successfully compiled and linked my programm with gcc4.
>
> Now my problem is that I can't execute it.
>
> If I give it a try I'm getting this error:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/ $ ./foo
> ./foo: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libstdc++.so.6: version
> `GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found (required by ./foo)
>
> This is strange since for one its still using something from the
> 3.4.3 profile and also I've just upgraded (with the gcc upgrade) to
> glibc 3.5.
>
> If I switch my profile with gcc-config to the gcc4 profile everything
> works.
>
> So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
> there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
> programs compiled with gcc 4?
>
>
> kind regards Philip

Have you run the script fix_libtool_files.sh?
After a gcc emerge (if it removes an old version) you must use always 
the command:
fix_libtool_files.sh oldgcc
Try now!
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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread A. Khattri
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005, askar ... wrote:

> I tried this one. It didn't work.

Can you run lspci and show us the output?


>
> askar
>
> >
> > The card comes under
> > Device Drivers
> > -> Networking Support
> >  -> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
> >-> 3Com Cards
> >  -> 3c590/3c900 series (592/595/597) "Vortex/Boomerang" support
> >
> > It works fine, my old server had 2 of those cards in.
> >
> > >
> > > Bill Roberts
> > >
> > > On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> > >
> > >>Hello!
> > >>
> > >>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> > >>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> > >>kernel there is no driver for it.
> > >>Help me.
> > >>
> > >>askar
> > >>
> > >>--
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> > >>
> >
> > --
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> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > http://tim.igoe.me.uk - Personal Site
> > http://tv.igoe.me.uk - UK TV Guide
> >
> > "Computers are like Air-con, open windows and they stop working!"
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Re: [gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:01:01 +0200
Philip Lawatsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did export
> the variables a
> 
> gcc-config -E x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.0.1-pre20050616
> 
> printed out.
> 
> This way I successfully compiled and linked my programm with gcc4.
> 
> Now my problem is that I can't execute it.
> [...]
> So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
> there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
> programs compiled with gcc 4?

LDPATH. Have a look at /etc/env.d/05gcc.

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
I tried this one. It didn't work.

askar

> 
> The card comes under
> Device Drivers
> -> Networking Support
>  -> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
>-> 3Com Cards
>  -> 3c590/3c900 series (592/595/597) "Vortex/Boomerang" support
> 
> It works fine, my old server had 2 of those cards in.
> 
> >
> > Bill Roberts
> >
> > On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> >
> >>Hello!
> >>
> >>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> >>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> >>kernel there is no driver for it.
> >>Help me.
> >>
> >>askar
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
Thanks.
I will check it out.

askar

On 6/27/05, Bill Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do a search in 'make menuconfig' for CONFIG_E100. That's what you
> want.
> 
> I think they call it something like 3c950 series or something that
> does not match 3c905.
> 
> Bill Roberts
> 
> On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> > [Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> > kernel there is no driver for it.
> > Help me.
> >
> > askar
> >
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Travis Osterman
On 6/27/05, Hans-Werner Hilse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:20:53 -0400
> Travis Osterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I cut all port forwarding rules but port 80 and all mac filtering less
> > one and commented as such to keep the length down.  Thanks again for
> > any suggestions.
> 
> I'll comment below...
> 
> > *nat
> > # [...]
> > # snipped other DNAT
> > -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 
> > 192.168.1.20
> > -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp -m udp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 
> > 192.168.1.20
> 
> Never heard of http-via-udp... But the problem will show up here:
> The PREROUTING should apply also for packets coming from eth1 (LAN).
> Otherwise they'll hit the router's own tcp stack - where there's
> supposedly no http and such the connection would be resetted.
> 
> 
> The problem atm seems to be, pointed out:
> 
> 1. both external clients and internal clients can correctly resolve
> http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to the ppp0's IP.
> 2.a. external clients' requests hit the router coming from ppp0
> 2.b. internal clients' requests hit the router coming from eth1
> 3. nat/PREROUTING:
> 3.a. The packets from 2.a. get rewritten to dst 192.168.1.20
> 3.b. The other ones don't get rewritten
> 4. Routing is performed (filter/FORWARD, nat/POSTROUTING):
> 4.a. The packets from 2.a. will get routed to 192.168.1.20 and leave
>   the router if allowed by nat/OUTPUT. (it is) WWW server does its job
>   then.
> 4.b. The packets from 2.b. will hit the router's tcp stack if
>   allowed by filter/INPUT (it is). They'll get RSTed if there's no
>   open port 80.
> 
> Well, and we have some more problems. Your actual POSTROUTING chain
> only MASQUERADEs packets leaving through ppp0. With this, and the new
> rules, www packets from the LAN would get destination rewritten on the
> router and being routed there. The source address will still be set to
> the original source address. So the router would answer to that
> address. Problem here is the client: It expects an answer from the
> router's IP. So the web server's reply gets dropped at the client.
> 
> To overcome this, you can setup routing on the web server to generally
> send packets via the router. I'd suggest placing it in a different
> subnet, e.g. 192.168.3./24, and have the router use an address in that
> range to. A little of a DMZ on the LAN wire (not suggested, but not
> different from you current solution).
> 
> To-Do:
> 
> - on the webserver: configure address to 192.168.3.20
> - on the router:
> - configure a second address for eth1 in /etc/conf.d/net (192.168.3.1 assumed 
> here)
> - modify iptables settings:
> 
> You need to insert a new rule like the ones above but also for "-i
> eth1". You'll further need to specify "-d EXTERNAL_IP" (well, of course
> with that IP instead) to not get all connections to a www port
> rewritten to that destination. I'd suggest using a new chain for this
> that you can flush in a script and just place a new rule there if the
> IP changes.
> 
> e.g. global skript on boot up:
> 
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT 
> --to-destination 192.168.3.20
> iptables -t nat -N internalwww
> iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j internalwww
> 
> and e.g. in your dhcp-script:
> 
> iptables -t nat -F internalwww
> iptables -t nat -A internalwww -d $EXTERNAL_IP -j DNAT --to-destination 
> 192.168.3.20
> 
> 
> 
> -hwh
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> 
> 

I had to read your reply about seven times until I could really grasp
everything you were saying.  My only concern is that while this will
work for my web server, it appears as though I would have to put all
my service-providing machines on different subnets and have rules for
each of them ... am I understanding that correctly?  Also, sadly, my
webserver is doubling as a samba server right now and I'm not overly
optimistic that windows will see it on the different subnet.

Is there a way to check and see is local traffic is (terminally)
destined for ppp0 and set up a chain to filter by port and reroute
that traffic to the appropriate lan computer?  Could dnsmasq point
my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to the address of eth1 instead of ppp0 to
make the routing easier (bypassing NAT)?

I'm still really green at network design issues, but this is a
fasinating problem to me.  Thanks for your input so far.

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[gentoo-user] gcc 4 and 3.4 in parallel

2005-06-27 Thread Philip Lawatsch
Hi,


I'd like to use gcc 4 to compile some of my own software but still use
3.4 for everything else (all ebuilds etc).

Now I simply emerged gcc4 (its slotted) and then as my user I did export
the variables a

gcc-config -E x86_64-pc-linux-gnu-4.0.1-pre20050616

printed out.

This way I successfully compiled and linked my programm with gcc4.

Now my problem is that I can't execute it.

If I give it a try I'm getting this error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/ $ ./foo
./foo: /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libstdc++.so.6: version
`GLIBCXX_3.4.4' not found (required by ./foo)

This is strange since for one its still using something from the 3.4.3
profile and also I've just upgraded (with the gcc upgrade) to glibc 3.5.

If I switch my profile with gcc-config to the gcc4 profile everything works.

So my querstion now is what else gets changed by gcc-config, and is
there a chance to have the 3.4 gcc profile selected but still run
programs compiled with gcc 4?


kind regards Philip
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Re: [gentoo-user] qmail-r16 is sending mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-06-27 Thread Rumen Yotov
Hi Yousef,
First thing qmail-1.03-r16 *is* masked (testing in my profile at least)
-r15 is the stable version.
Maybe (if possible, don't need something from -r16) you should try -r15
first.
Now checking and saw there are 24 patches against vanilla qmail-1.03 in
-r15 and 28 patches for -r16.
You could check them in
"/var/portage/mail-mta/qmail/qmail-1.03-r1x.ebuild" (there are only two
15,16).
Also could change/remove some patches by commenting them in an ebuild
copy in an overlay dir.
As you are already using qmail check and use only these patches which
you need.
More one point, i like the way gentoo builds/uses qmail, but most ML
(qmail-list) require to install it by following LifeWithQmail so as
there are some differences you could have problems later.
Can't help you more as i use qmail as personal mail-server and don't use
much of it's power, a pity.
PS: suggest you stop top-posting as it's not very appreciated with this
list ;)
HTH. Rumen
Yousef Raffah wrote:

>Thanks Rumen for your reply but I had a previous experience with qmail
>and I read lots of documents on qmail with Gentoo. However, I'm facing
>an issue with qmail-1.03-r16 after I created the aliases for root,
>postmasert and mailer-daemon based on
>(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/qmail-howto.xml). Now when I try to send
>an E-mail to root for example, it is delivering it to the correct
>alias mailbox but with a failure message about bouncing bounces.
>
>Note that I used the USE="logmail" flag while emerging this ebuild and
>I think this is generating the [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mails...Any
>idea what is the exact use of this USE flag? is it important? How can
>I know what is the use of it?
>
>Thanks in advance...
>
>Sincerely,
>Yousef Raffah
>
>On 6/26/05, Rumen Yotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  
>
>>Yousef Raffah wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Humm
>>>
>>>This is my second qmail installation on gentoo, the first one was
>>>perfect but this one seems quite different. In this installation I
>>>used qmail-r16 and started configuring it based on
>>>(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/qmail-howto.xml). I stopped at the point
>>>where I configured the aliases then send mails to those aliases.
>>>
>>>By the time I checked my inbox, where I'm suppose to receive three
>>>messages, I got about 12 messages, in which , some are bouncing
>>>bounces stating that the user "[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>" doesn't exist or do not have a
>>>mailbox! Why is qmail trying to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>? I sent to
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> and
>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>>only!
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for any help...
>>>
>>>--
>>>-BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
>>>Version: 3.12
>>>GIT d- s: a- C++ UL+++ P L+++ E- W+++ N o-- K- w--
>>>O-- M+ V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R- tv-- b+ DI- D+
>>>G e++ h--- r+++ y+++
>>>--END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
>>>  
>>>
>>Hi,
>>This answer is a little bit by memory only, but true IMHO/experience.
>>Go to http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html (original site, a bit outdated now),
>>www.netqmail.org or qmail.org.
>>There are much docs there, or better search/google for QmailOnGentoo.txt
>>document, it's very good (-r13).
>>In qmail no mail is sent to root - it's always sent to some other
>>account - see the docs in sites above.
>>The setup is done in /var/qmail/alias dir using .qmail-account_name (ex.
>>".qmail-root") in which you put a user account (existing) which gets the
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] mail. Then in this users ".maildir" directory you get
>>root mails.
>>As far as i know, one major difference in qmail-1.03-r15 vs
>>qmail-1.03-r13 is changed place for /etc/tcp.smtp* to
>>/etc/tcprules.d/qmail-tcp.smtp* plus some new patches (breaks parts of
>>qmailctl script).
>>Now (in -r15) there are more then 20 patches (this against vanilla
>>qmail-1.03).
>>HTH. Rumen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>  
>



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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread brettholcomb
Try the 3c59x driver.  If you look in make menuconfig on the help for 3com 
cards it will tell you.

> 
> From: "askar ..." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 2005/06/27 Mon AM 11:24:04 EDT
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]
> 
> Hello!
> 
> Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> [Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> kernel there is no driver for it.
> Help me.
> 
> askar
> 
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> 

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 11:20:53 -0400
Travis Osterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I cut all port forwarding rules but port 80 and all mac filtering less
> one and commented as such to keep the length down.  Thanks again for
> any suggestions.

I'll comment below...

> *nat
> # [...]
> # snipped other DNAT
> -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 
> 192.168.1.20
> -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp -m udp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to-destination 
> 192.168.1.20

Never heard of http-via-udp... But the problem will show up here:
The PREROUTING should apply also for packets coming from eth1 (LAN).
Otherwise they'll hit the router's own tcp stack - where there's
supposedly no http and such the connection would be resetted.


The problem atm seems to be, pointed out:

1. both external clients and internal clients can correctly resolve
http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to the ppp0's IP.
2.a. external clients' requests hit the router coming from ppp0
2.b. internal clients' requests hit the router coming from eth1
3. nat/PREROUTING:
3.a. The packets from 2.a. get rewritten to dst 192.168.1.20
3.b. The other ones don't get rewritten
4. Routing is performed (filter/FORWARD, nat/POSTROUTING):
4.a. The packets from 2.a. will get routed to 192.168.1.20 and leave
  the router if allowed by nat/OUTPUT. (it is) WWW server does its job
  then.
4.b. The packets from 2.b. will hit the router's tcp stack if
  allowed by filter/INPUT (it is). They'll get RSTed if there's no
  open port 80.

Well, and we have some more problems. Your actual POSTROUTING chain
only MASQUERADEs packets leaving through ppp0. With this, and the new
rules, www packets from the LAN would get destination rewritten on the
router and being routed there. The source address will still be set to
the original source address. So the router would answer to that
address. Problem here is the client: It expects an answer from the
router's IP. So the web server's reply gets dropped at the client.

To overcome this, you can setup routing on the web server to generally
send packets via the router. I'd suggest placing it in a different
subnet, e.g. 192.168.3./24, and have the router use an address in that
range to. A little of a DMZ on the LAN wire (not suggested, but not
different from you current solution).

To-Do:

- on the webserver: configure address to 192.168.3.20
- on the router:
- configure a second address for eth1 in /etc/conf.d/net (192.168.3.1 assumed 
here)
- modify iptables settings:

You need to insert a new rule like the ones above but also for "-i
eth1". You'll further need to specify "-d EXTERNAL_IP" (well, of course
with that IP instead) to not get all connections to a www port
rewritten to that destination. I'd suggest using a new chain for this
that you can flush in a script and just place a new rule there if the
IP changes.

e.g. global skript on boot up:

iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT 
--to-destination 192.168.3.20
iptables -t nat -N internalwww
iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j internalwww

and e.g. in your dhcp-script:

iptables -t nat -F internalwww
iptables -t nat -A internalwww -d $EXTERNAL_IP -j DNAT --to-destination 
192.168.3.20



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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Ted Ozolins
Bill Roberts wrote:

>Do a search in 'make menuconfig' for CONFIG_E100. That's what you
>want.
>
>I think they call it something like 3c950 series or something that
>does not match 3c905. 
>
>Bill Roberts
>
>On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
>  
>
>>Hello!
>>
>>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
>>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
>>kernel there is no driver for it.
>>Help me.
>>
>>askar
>>
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>>
>>
>
>  
>
Oops I goofed. The module is 3c905 for the vortex/boomerang 3Com card or
at least in the 2.6.11-gentoo-r9 kernel and it is listed when running
"make menuconfig". You have to click on "enable 3Com" to see it.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Alternatives to xdm/gdm?

2005-06-27 Thread Mark Knecht
On 6/21/05, Matthew Cline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/21/05, Mark Knecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On my systems, since they are frontend only, this might work but I
> > don't know how to do it. Can someone point out basically how to try?
> >
> > Also, what user account would be used if mythfrontend was started this
> > way? Maybe that will be apparent when I get a clue about how to do
> > this.
> 
> Here's the format of the /etc/inittab on my system:
> 
> # TERMINALS
> c1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty 38400 tty1 linux
> 
> So try changing it to something like this:
> c1:12345:respawn:su mythuser -c startx
> 
> with 'mythuser' being the username you want to run mythfrontend and
> 'startx' replaced by whatever script or program you want. If X is
> exited for killed for some reason, then init should respawn it again.
> 
> Of course, you should also read man inittab for more info.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Matt

Thnaks Matt. That seems to have worked without modification.

Cheers,
Mark

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Tim Igoe


Bill Roberts wrote:
> Do a search in 'make menuconfig' for CONFIG_E100. That's what you
> want.
> 
> I think they call it something like 3c950 series or something that
> does not match 3c905. 

The card comes under
Device Drivers
-> Networking Support
  -> Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit)
-> 3Com Cards
  -> 3c590/3c900 series (592/595/597) "Vortex/Boomerang" support

It works fine, my old server had 2 of those cards in.

> 
> Bill Roberts
> 
> On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> 
>>Hello!
>>
>>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
>>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
>>kernel there is no driver for it.
>>Help me.
>>
>>askar
>>
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>>

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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Ted Ozolins
askar ... wrote:

>Hello!
>
>Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
>[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
>kernel there is no driver for it.
>Help me.
>
>askar
>
>  
>
I believe the module for that card is 3c59x and has to be compiled
either as a module or in the kernel.  You can test that by modprobing
the module and see what happens. Once you've done that, follow the
network setup as outlined in the Gentoo install guide.

Cheers.

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Re: [gentoo-user] javac & emerge error

2005-06-27 Thread Matias Grana
On Fri, Jun 24, 2005 at 03:56:39PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> Matias Grana wrote:
> > On Wed, Jun 22, 2005 at 04:29:54PM -0700, Zac Medico wrote:
> > 
> >>Matias Grana wrote:
> >>
> >>>hi;
> >>>As a result of an  'emerge -uD world',  I've run across this error while
> >>>emerging gnu-classpath.
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Unpacking source...
> >>Unpacking classpath-0.14.tar.gz to 
> >>/var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work
> >>Source unpacked.
> >>>
> >>>[ snip ]
> >>>checking for gcj... no
> >>>checking for jikes... no
> >>>checking for kJC... no
> >>>checking for gcjx... no
> >>>checking for ecj... no
> >>>configure: cannot find javac, try --with-gcj, --with-jikes, --with-kjc, or 
> >>>--with-gcjx
> >>>
> >>>!!! Please attach the config.log to your bug report:
> >>>!!! /var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work/classpath-0.14/config.log
> >>>
> >>>!!! ERROR: dev-java/gnu-classpath-0.14 failed.
> >>>!!! Function econf, Line 485, Exitcode 0
> >>>!!! econf failed
> >>>!!! If you need support, post the topmost build error, NOT this status 
> >>>message.
> >>>--
> >>>
> >>>The file /var/tmp/portage/gnu-classpath-0.14/work/classpath-0.14/config.log
> >>>is too large to send it to the list (of course, I can send it if needed).
> >>>Where should I look for a hint?
> >>>
> >>>TIA,
> >>>Matias
> >>
> >>
> >>You need a java compiler.  If you have a jdk like blackdown-jdk or sun-jdk 
> >>then you can use java-config to choose  which one you want.  You can 
> >>"emerge jikes" to get just a compiler. For gcj, you need to remerge gcc 
> >>with USE=gcj enabled.  Almost any one of these compilers should work.
> >>
> >>Zac
> >>-- 
> >>gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
> > 
> > 
> > But I already had blackdown-jdk:
> > 
> > mati(rojo)~$ java-config -c
> > /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
> > mati(rojo)~$ java-config -j
> > /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/jar
> > mati(rojo)~$ java-config -O
> > /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
> > mati(rojo)~$ java-config -o
> > 
> > Except that it seems I don't have a JRE configured. Might this be the
> > problem? I have  blackdown-jre-1.4.2.01  emerged, but it doesn't appear
> > at the "java-config -o" command.
> > 
> > Thanks for the answer, Zac,
> > Matias
> > 
> 
> The jre isn't useful because it doesn't have the javac compiler.
> 
> You should only have to run these commands:
> 
> java-config -S blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
> source /etc/profile
> 
> After that, you should have /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin in your PATH.
> 
> which javac
> /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin/javac
> 
> Zac

When I tried 
$ java-config -S blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
I got this error:
Cannot find JAVA_HOME in config file /etc/env.d/java/22javacc

So I copied the JAVA_HOME line from
/etc/env.d/java/20blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02
and could do the 'java-config -S'.
But I still get the same problem when emerging world!

Afterwards, I tried changing the JAVA_HOME line by other things (and
doing env-update && source /etc/profile accordingly), but things don't
improve.  BTW: I already have /opt/blackdown-jdk-1.4.2.02/bin in my
PATH, it doesn't help either.

Any clues?
Thanks a lot anyway.
Matías
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Re: [gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread Bill Roberts
Do a search in 'make menuconfig' for CONFIG_E100. That's what you
want.

I think they call it something like 3c950 series or something that
does not match 3c905. 

Bill Roberts

On 21:24 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
> [Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
> kernel there is no driver for it.
> Help me.
> 
> askar
> 
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Re: [gentoo-user] Adaptec 1210SA / 1205SA opinions

2005-06-27 Thread Bill Roberts
If you have a SATA controller on your motherboard (i.e., SATA
connections), the I would recommend foregoing the SATA controller and
just going with software RAID.

If you want hardware RAID, spend the money and get 3Ware. 

Linux software RAID works very well.

Bill Roberts

On 13:49 Mon 27 Jun , Jakub Krajcovic wrote:
> Hi guys,
> 
> i am about to buy an adaptec 1210SA "fakeraid" controller, or a 1205SA 
> host controller, and 2 SATA disks at about 200GB. Could someone please 
> recommend this, or say something against? I searched the whole net, 
> gentoo forums, gentoo wiki, and so far it looks quite good, but i still 
> am a bit afraid, whether or not this thing will work. (of course i am 
> going to install gentoo on this thing :-))
> 
> thanks
> jakub
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[gentoo-user] driver for 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX [Boomerang]????

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
Hello!

Is there anybody who knows how to make 3Com 3c905 100BaseTX
[Boomerang] work. I'm using gentoo 2005.0, gentoo-sources. In the
kernel there is no driver for it.
Help me.

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Travis Osterman
> You could post your iptables-save output here to allow us to give more
> specific hints...
> 
> -hwh
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> 
> 

I cut all port forwarding rules but port 80 and all mac filtering less
one and commented as such to keep the length down.  Thanks again for
any suggestions.

-- Travis

# iptables-save
# Generated by iptables-save v1.2.11 on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005
*nat
:PREROUTING ACCEPT [216087:13609285]
:POSTROUTING ACCEPT [1770:106027]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [2452:149468]
# snipped other DNAT
-A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT
--to-destination 192.168.1.20
-A PREROUTING -i ppp0 -p udp -m udp --dport 80 -j DNAT
--to-destination 192.168.1.20
-A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE
COMMIT
# Completed on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005
# Generated by iptables-save v1.2.11 on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005
*mangle
:PREROUTING ACCEPT [9719337:5380558312]
:INPUT ACCEPT [709772:240958250]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [98811994:50860885137]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [217470:176831399]
:POSTROUTING ACCEPT [99357297:51156775257]
COMMIT
# Completed on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005
# Generated by iptables-save v1.2.11 on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005
*filter
:INPUT DROP [0:0]
:FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
:OUTPUT ACCEPT [217479:176832555]
:mac_check - [0:0]
-A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i ! eth1 -p udp -m udp --dport 67 -j REJECT --reject-with
icmp-port-unreachable
-A INPUT -i ! ppp0 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -p udp -m udp --dport 123 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -m state --state RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i ppp0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT
-A INPUT -i ! eth1 -j DROP
-A FORWARD -p udp -m udp --sport 123 --dport 123 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -s 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT
-A FORWARD -d 192.168.1.0/255.255.255.0 -i ppp0 -j ACCEPT
-A OUTPUT -p udp -m udp --sport 123 -j ACCEPT
-A mac_check -m mac --mac-source 00:30:BD:B2:49:80 -j ACCEPT
# snipped other mac filtering
-A mac_check -j DROP
COMMIT
# Completed on Mon Jun 27 11:15:50 2005

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[gentoo-user] Re: Weirdness emerging pkgconfig

2005-06-27 Thread Kevin O'Gorman
never mind.  The next emerge sync cleared up whatever the problem was.


On 6/24/05, Kevin O'Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A new "stable" ebuild is refusing to emerge for security reasons: pkgconfig!
> 
> Here's what it says:
> 
> > treat # emerge -aDvu world
> >
> > These are the packages that I would merge, in order:
> >
> > Calculating world dependencies ...done!
> > [ebuild U ] dev-util/pkgconfig-0.17.2-r1 [0.15.0] -debug -hardened 0 kB
> > [ebuild U ] dev-libs/glib-2.6.4 [2.6.3] -debug +doc -hardened -static 
> > 2,321 kB
> >
> > Total size of downloads: 2,321 kB
> >
> > Do you want me to merge these packages? [Yes/No] yes
> > >>> emerge (1 of 2) dev-util/pkgconfig-0.17.2-r1 to /
> > !!! Security Violation: A file exists that is not in the manifest.
> > !!! File: files/digest-pkgconfig-0.17.2
> > treat # ls files
> 
> What's a person to do?
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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Hans-Werner Hilse
Hi,

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:08:35 -0400
Travis Osterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com from inside my network returns:
> "connection was refused when attempting to contact
> my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com."
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is an iptables issue or dns (or something
> else) which makes the problem hard to google for.  Any leads, tips, or
> ideas would be much appreciated.

1.: routing should tend to do the "short cut" here and never spit out
the packets on the WAN side. That's default, AFAIK.
2.: that means that iptables shouldn't block incoming packets (INPUT
queue) for the WAN address coming from the LAN interface.
3.: a FORWARD rule may also be needed to allow this, I'm not sure here.

You could post your iptables-save output here to allow us to give more
specific hints...

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Travis Osterman
On 6/27/05, Niklas Herder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Travis Osterman wrote:
> > I recently switched from a linksys router to a gentoo-based system and
> > have gotten along pretty well with it.  One of the last things I have
> > left to figure out is how to get dynamic dns name requests to the
> > correct internal machine on my network.
> >
> > Here's the symptoms:
> > my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com points to my current ip address
> > http://my-server - works internally
> > http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com - works from outside my network
> > (through iptables)
> > http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com from inside my network returns:
> > "connection was refused when attempting to contact
> > my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com."
> >
> > I'm not sure whether this is an iptables issue or dns (or something
> > else) which makes the problem hard to google for.  Any leads, tips, or
> > ideas would be much appreciated.
> >
> > -- Travis Osterman
> >
> 
> You could install dnsmasq and add the
> dynamic ip:s with their internal addresses to /etc/hosts on your DNS
> server. That's what I do, works like a charm.
> 
> /N
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> 
> 

I tried adding my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to the /etc/hosts line that
my server is on and still get the same error.  This also isn't the
ideal solution for me because I would like to route different
protocols to different machines.  Ideally, I just want all the
internal traffic on its way to my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com to route
through my WAN interface.

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Re: [gentoo-user] grub failure or something bad about partitions

2005-06-27 Thread Martins Steinbergs
hi

problem solved and it was in mbr. rewrited it and LBA is enabled in BIOS.

new fdisk output:

Disk /dev/hda: 30.7 GB, 30750031872 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 3738 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/hda1   *   1295523728288+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/hda229563738 6289447+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/hda529563738 62894167  HPFS/NTFS


little howto on fixing this in fedora forum:

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=22751

Martins


On Sunday 26 June 2005 17:44, Richard Fish wrote:
> Martins Steinbergs wrote:
> >Disk /dev/hda: 30.7 GB, 30750031872 bytes
> >16 heads, 63 sectors/track, 59582 cylinders
> >Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 = 516096 bytes
> >
> >   Device Boot  Start End  Blocks   Id  System
> >/dev/hda1   *   1   4708023728288+   7  HPFS/NTFS
> >Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> >/dev/hda2   47096   59575 6289447+   f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
> >Partition 2 does not end on cylinder boundary.
> >/dev/hda5   47096   59575 62894167  HPFS/NTFS
>
> Holly covered all of the major points...I just want to add that these
> messages may or may not be a problem.  They indicate that the windows
> disk was originally partitioned in 'LBA' mode, which always pretends to
> have 255 heads.  If your BIOS is disabling LBA mode on the primary
> master disk, then it is possible that the windows boot loader is not
> able to find some block-mapped files that it needs (ntldr being the
> critical one).  But that error would come after the point where you are
> currently stuck, so I don't think this is the problem currently.
> However, you may want to double check the BIOS settings for the PM disk
> and make sure that LBA is enabled.
>
> -Richard
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Re: [gentoo-user] Intel Compiler to compile gentoo ?

2005-06-27 Thread Andrew Lowe
	I use the Intel compiler at work, but on a Wintel platform :(, and for 
some reason the V9 compiler, which has just been released, has slowed 
down. I have some code that runs fine built with a 8 year old M$ 
compiler but takes forever to run when built with the latest Intel 
compiler. Very frustrating.


	Back to your original question, from what I've heard, the eventual goal 
is for drop in replacement of GCC but it still isn't quite there, or if 
you can get it to compile, it needs A LOT of fiddling with make files 
etc. Maybe try posting the question here:


http://softwareforums.intel.com/ids/board?board.id=16

It's the C++ forum on Intels site.

regatta wrote:

Hi everyone,

Did anyone try to use Intel compiler to compile Gentoo ? is there any
performance improvement ?







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[gentoo-user] Adaptec 1210SA / 1205SA opinions

2005-06-27 Thread Jakub Krajcovic

Hi guys,

i am about to buy an adaptec 1210SA "fakeraid" controller, or a 1205SA 
host controller, and 2 SATA disks at about 200GB. Could someone please 
recommend this, or say something against? I searched the whole net, 
gentoo forums, gentoo wiki, and so far it looks quite good, but i still 
am a bit afraid, whether or not this thing will work. (of course i am 
going to install gentoo on this thing :-))


thanks
jakub

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Re: [gentoo-user] 32 bit pci disk controller -> 64 bit pci slot

2005-06-27 Thread Jakub Krajcovic

Thanks mike, this is what i needed to know.

jakub


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On jún 27, 2005, at 11:46, Mike Williams wrote:


On Monday 27 June 2005 10:20, Jakub Krajcovic wrote:

this is not really a gentoo related question, but could someone please
help me anyway?  I have an HP tc2120 server, with 64 bit pci slots, 
and

i need to know, if i can stick a 32 bit pci adaptec disk controller
(SATA or IDE) into it. I am searching google just now, but i would
still like to hear the answer from a real person, who knows for sure.
So, if anyone out there can help me with this, i'd greatly appreciate
it. thanks in advance


It will.
32bit, 64bit, 33MHz, 66MHz, 100MHz, 133MHz, PCI, PCI-X are all 
electrically,
and from a software point, the same. (PCI-e is something entirely 
different,

BTW)
The only exclusion is 3.3V and 5V, but a 3.3V only card won't fit into 
a 5V

only slot, as 5V slots have a second key in the slot.
The bus will automatically clock itself down to the lowest common 
denominator,

so you'll get a performance hit on other cards on the same bus.

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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/log/messages becomes bigger

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
Thank you for info.

askar

On 6/27/05, Bill Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm using logrotate (and logwatch), and find them both very
> satisfactory. You could do it manually, or via a script.
> 
> There is no automatic log rotation in syslog-ng.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On 17:11 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> > I noticed that the /var/log/messages file grows.
> > I'm using syslog-ng.
> > Do I have to install logrotate?
> >
> > askar
> >
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Re: [gentoo-user] /var/log/messages becomes bigger

2005-06-27 Thread Bill Roberts
I'm using logrotate (and logwatch), and find them both very
satisfactory. You could do it manually, or via a script.

There is no automatic log rotation in syslog-ng.

Bill 

On 17:11 Mon 27 Jun , askar ... wrote:
> I noticed that the /var/log/messages file grows.
> I'm using syslog-ng.
> Do I have to install logrotate?
> 
> askar
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[gentoo-user] /var/log/messages becomes bigger

2005-06-27 Thread askar ...
I noticed that the /var/log/messages file grows.
I'm using syslog-ng.
Do I have to install logrotate?

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Re: [gentoo-user] 32 bit pci disk controller -> 64 bit pci slot

2005-06-27 Thread Mike Williams
On Monday 27 June 2005 10:20, Jakub Krajcovic wrote:
> this is not really a gentoo related question, but could someone please
> help me anyway?  I have an HP tc2120 server, with 64 bit pci slots, and
> i need to know, if i can stick a 32 bit pci adaptec disk controller
> (SATA or IDE) into it. I am searching google just now, but i would
> still like to hear the answer from a real person, who knows for sure.
> So, if anyone out there can help me with this, i'd greatly appreciate
> it. thanks in advance

It will.
32bit, 64bit, 33MHz, 66MHz, 100MHz, 133MHz, PCI, PCI-X are all electrically, 
and from a software point, the same. (PCI-e is something entirely different, 
BTW)
The only exclusion is 3.3V and 5V, but a 3.3V only card won't fit into a 5V 
only slot, as 5V slots have a second key in the slot.
The bus will automatically clock itself down to the lowest common denominator, 
so you'll get a performance hit on other cards on the same bus.

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Re: [gentoo-user] (A bit OT) Gentoo on a Dell OptiPlex G1

2005-06-27 Thread Walter Dnes
On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 04:36:51PM -0400, Colin wrote
> Has anyone had any experience with this?  Would Gentoo install and
> run on this machine without any problems?  It looks like it will make
> an ideal server/NAT gateway/distcc node/rsync server/DHCP server/DNS
> server/wireless AP for my home network.

  As long as you don't try loading X/gnome/KDE you should be OK.  Just
to see if it could be done, I got Gentoo working on a 400 mhz PII, Dell
Optiplex GX1.  There was one weird setting I needed in /etc/make.conf

MAKEOPTS="-j1"

With the recommended -j2 setting, compiles were blowing up.  Other than
that, and being a bit slow, it was OK.  How large is the hard drive?

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Re: [gentoo-user] Cannot route dynamic dns name internally

2005-06-27 Thread Niklas Herder
Travis Osterman wrote:
> I recently switched from a linksys router to a gentoo-based system and
> have gotten along pretty well with it.  One of the last things I have
> left to figure out is how to get dynamic dns name requests to the
> correct internal machine on my network.
> 
> Here's the symptoms:
> my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com points to my current ip address
> http://my-server - works internally
> http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com - works from outside my network
> (through iptables)
> http://my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com from inside my network returns:
> "connection was refused when attempting to contact
> my-dynamic-name.no-ip.com."
> 
> I'm not sure whether this is an iptables issue or dns (or something
> else) which makes the problem hard to google for.  Any leads, tips, or
> ideas would be much appreciated.
> 
> -- Travis Osterman
> 

You could install dnsmasq and add the
dynamic ip:s with their internal addresses to /etc/hosts on your DNS
server. That's what I do, works like a charm.

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[gentoo-user] 32 bit pci disk controller -> 64 bit pci slot

2005-06-27 Thread Jakub Krajcovic

Hi guys,

this is not really a gentoo related question, but could someone please 
help me anyway?  I have an HP tc2120 server, with 64 bit pci slots, and 
i need to know, if i can stick a 32 bit pci adaptec disk controller 
(SATA or IDE) into it. I am searching google just now, but i would 
still like to hear the answer from a real person, who knows for sure. 
So, if anyone out there can help me with this, i'd greatly appreciate 
it. thanks in advance


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Re: [gentoo-user] Would zapping USE in make.defaults hurt anything?

2005-06-27 Thread Holly Bostick
Walter Dnes schreef:
> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 09:39:15AM +0100, Neil Bothwick wrote
> 
> 
>>Bit I think you're missing the point. These are DEFAULTS, if you
>>really don't want any unnecessary GNOME packages installed, you
>>should be specifically including -gnome in /etc/make.conf.
> 
> 
>   The point which I'm trying to make, and everybody else seems to be
> missing, is that *THE DEFAULTS ARE CONSTANTLY CHANGING UNDER OUR FEET*.
> Several weeks ago, I didn't have to put -gnome in USE in /etc/make.conf.
> Now I do.  Several months ago, I didn't have to put -ipv6 in USE.  Now I
> do.  

I'm sorry, I don't agree that the defaults are "constantly" changing.
I'm 99% positive that gnome was a default in last year's profiles (as
was kde), and I'm moderately less certain about ipv6, but I do think it
was there. Perhaps your, like my, usage habits have changed, so you have
only now *noticed* these defaults (that's why I'm less certain about
ipv6; I never paid attention to it until I decided to stop using it),
rather than that the defaults themselves have changed.

> What's going to be added to the defaults next week or next month?
> I don't like the idea of an "anti-USE definition" that needs constant
> checking and updating like a Windows anti-virus definition.  Here's what
> /usr/portage/profiles/default-linux/x86/make.defaults has accumulated
> over the years to date...
> > 
> USE="alsa apm arts avi berkdb bitmap-fonts crypt cups emboss encode fortran 
> foomaticdb gdbm gif gnome gpm gtk gtk2 imlib ipv6 jpeg kde libg++ libwww mad 
> mikmod motif mp3 mpeg ncurses nls oggvorbis opengl oss pam pdflib perl png 
> python qt quicktime readline sdl spell ssl tcpd truetype truetype-fonts 
> type1-fonts X xml2 xmms xv zlib"
> 
>   Is all this *REALLY* necessary, folks?  Now we know why people trying
> to build a minimal Gentoo have problems cutting it down to size.  

Perhaps so, but is building a minimal system the default behaviour that
the profiles are targeted to? Apparently not. This "default system" is
expected to likely meet the following criteria:

1) it has sound (alsa, oss)
2) it uses X (X, xv)
3) it uses KDE or GNOME for a DE (qt, kde, arts, gtk, gtk2)
4) it has a printer attached (cups, foomaticdb)

and that the user of the system may very likely --out of the box-- want to:

5) have access Internet servers of various types (ipv6, tcpd)
6) play music of various sorts (mad, mikmod, oggvorbis, xmms)
7) play video of various formats (avi, mpeg, quicktime)
8) view images of various formats (imlib, jpeg, gif, png, zlib)
9) rip music CDs or DVDs (encode)
10) have decent-looking fonts (truetype, type1-fonts, bitmap-fonts)
11) read PDF or xml documents (pdflib, xml2)
11) encrypt some part of their system (crypt),
12) login securely, and/or from a remote location (ssl, pam)
13) compile or develop something (fortran, python, perl,libwww)
14) have access to a complete range of console apps (ncurses, gpm, readline)
15) see programs in their native language, whatever it may be (nls, spell)

with support for significant minority positions such as:

15) having a laptop (apm)
16) using a different WM/DE (motif)
17) the necessity of connecting to a database (berkdb, gbdm, libg++)
18) using the system in the sciences (emboss)


OK, it's not a precise grouping, but it's probably good enough. The
point being that a mininal system is *not* "default" but the default
settings are themselves fairly minimal for a wide range of
possibilities-- meaning that an "average user" who didn't use KDE, or
have a sound card would only have to change the lowest possible number
of settings in the default profile.

Which imo is a reasonable compromise between functionality (bloat), and
flexibility. If you want to do something "special", like run a minimal
system, or not use PAM, or use the box solely as a MythTV server, or
router, or whatever, then yes, you have to do more work, but you're
building a custom box, so you should already be prepared to do a fair
amount of work.

Secondly, this business of "constantly having to keep an eye on the
defaults, because they're always changing" falls a bit flat for me as
well. *Linux* is always changing, and what it can do is constantly
expanding, and the USE defaults change to suit. Naturally, before there
was an ALSA, there could not be an alsa USE flag, and even when there
was, I'm sure it wasn't in the default profile, since most people were
still using OSS, as were most sound-producing programs. But now it's the
default kernel sound system, so of course support for it is also
default. The thing is, when ALSA became the default set of kernel
drivers, we all --meaning all Linux users--knew about that. There was
certainly enough noise made about the differences of the 2.6 kernel
series to the 2.4 kernel series that it would have been pretty hard not
to know-- and if you were at that time a Gentoo user, it wouldn't have
taken a lot of brainpower to guess that alsa might well become a default
USE flag, and

Re: [gentoo-user] Where can I download the gentoo binary for Ximian Evolution 2?

2005-06-27 Thread Holly Bostick
Hareesh Nagarajan schreef:
> On 6/22/05, Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>learn some manners huh?
> 
> 
> Pray, what made my reply desrespectful?
> 
> Hareesh
> 

IMO, Nick wasn't talking to you, Hareesh.

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Re: [gentoo-user] qmail-r16 is sending mails to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

2005-06-27 Thread Yousef Raffah
Thanks Rumen for your reply but I had a previous experience with qmail
and I read lots of documents on qmail with Gentoo. However, I'm facing
an issue with qmail-1.03-r16 after I created the aliases for root,
postmasert and mailer-daemon based on
(http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/qmail-howto.xml). Now when I try to send
an E-mail to root for example, it is delivering it to the correct
alias mailbox but with a failure message about bouncing bounces.

Note that I used the USE="logmail" flag while emerging this ebuild and
I think this is generating the [EMAIL PROTECTED] e-mails...Any
idea what is the exact use of this USE flag? is it important? How can
I know what is the use of it?

Thanks in advance...

Sincerely,
Yousef Raffah

On 6/26/05, Rumen Yotov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yousef Raffah wrote:
> 
> > Humm
> >
> > This is my second qmail installation on gentoo, the first one was
> > perfect but this one seems quite different. In this installation I
> > used qmail-r16 and started configuring it based on
> > (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/qmail-howto.xml). I stopped at the point
> > where I configured the aliases then send mails to those aliases.
> >
> > By the time I checked my inbox, where I'm suppose to receive three
> > messages, I got about 12 messages, in which , some are bouncing
> > bounces stating that the user "[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > " doesn't exist or do not have a
> > mailbox! Why is qmail trying to send to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ? I sent to
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  and
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > only!
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help...
> >
> > --
> > -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-
> > Version: 3.12
> > GIT d- s: a- C++ UL+++ P L+++ E- W+++ N o-- K- w--
> > O-- M+ V- PS PE+ Y+ PGP++ t 5 X R- tv-- b+ DI- D+
> > G e++ h--- r+++ y+++
> > --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
> 
> Hi,
> This answer is a little bit by memory only, but true IMHO/experience.
> Go to http://cr.yp.to/qmail.html (original site, a bit outdated now),
> www.netqmail.org or qmail.org.
> There are much docs there, or better search/google for QmailOnGentoo.txt
> document, it's very good (-r13).
> In qmail no mail is sent to root - it's always sent to some other
> account - see the docs in sites above.
> The setup is done in /var/qmail/alias dir using .qmail-account_name (ex.
> ".qmail-root") in which you put a user account (existing) which gets the
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail. Then in this users ".maildir" directory you get
> root mails.
> As far as i know, one major difference in qmail-1.03-r15 vs
> qmail-1.03-r13 is changed place for /etc/tcp.smtp* to
> /etc/tcprules.d/qmail-tcp.smtp* plus some new patches (breaks parts of
> qmailctl script).
> Now (in -r15) there are more then 20 patches (this against vanilla
> qmail-1.03).
> HTH. Rumen
> 
> 
> 


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RE: [gentoo-user] Other XMMS issue - crash, when I add ogg files to the playlist :: try beep-media-player

2005-06-27 Thread Daevid Vincent
You might consider "beep-media-player", it's like xmms but better (and
actively being developed). Uses xmms skins and plugins. Looks just like it. 

> -Original Message-
> From: István PONGRÁCZ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 8:03 AM
> To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Other XMMS issue - crash, when I 
> add ogg files to the playlist
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I disabled some plugins, working correctly :)
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> PS: Még jó, hogy van magyar lista is :)
> 
> Tamas Sarga wrote:
> 
> >On Sun, 12 Jun 2005, István PONGRÁCZ wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>When I add ogg files to the playlist, I got segment failure and xmms
> >>crash immediatelly.
> >>
> >>Message is:
> >>ead_string() got invalid value "None" for Blursk.fullscreen_method
> >>Message: device: default
> >>XS[xmms-sid.c:196]: xs_init()
> >>XS[xs_config.c:166]: initializing configuration ...
> >>XS[xs_config.c:239]: loading from config-file ...
> >>XS[xs_config.c:290]: OK
> >>XS[xmms-sid.c:143]: initializing emulator engine #2...
> >>XS[xs_sidplay2.cc:99]: init builder #1
> >>XS[xs_sidplay2.cc:123]: ReSID V1.0.1 Engine:
> >>XS[xmms-sid.c:160]: init#1: OK, 2
> >>XS[xmms-sid.c:173]: init#2: OK, 0
> >>XS[xs_length.c:390]: sldb_close()
> >>XS[xs_stil.c:337]: stildb_close()
> >>XS[xmms-sid.c:205]: OK
> >>
> >>Szegmentációs hiba
> >>
> >>Valószínűleg hibát talált az XMMS-ben. Látogassa meg ezt a címet:
> >>http://bugs.xmms.org és töltse ki a hibabejelentőt.
> >>
> >>
> >>I use
> >>media-sound/xmms
> >> Latest version available: 1.2.10-r15
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r15
> >>media-plugins/xmms-alsa
> >>  Latest version available: 1.2.10-r3
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r3
> >>media-plugins/xmms-esd
> >>  Latest version available: 1.2.10-r1
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r1
> >>media-plugins/xmms-mpg123
> >>  Latest version available: 1.2.10-r1
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r1
> >> media-plugins/xmms-musepack
> >>  Latest version available: 1.1.2
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.1.2
> >>media-plugins/xmms-oss
> >>  Latest version available: 1.2.10-r2
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r2
> >>media-plugins/xmms-vorbis
> >>  Latest version available: 1.2.10-r1
> >>  Latest version installed: 1.2.10-r1
> >>
> >>Is there any experiences about this problem?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Try it without Blursk plug-in!
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Tamas Sarga  Sárga Tamás
> >--
> >Make the world confused! Zavard össze a világot!
> >Smile on monday morning! Mosolyogj hétfő reggel!
> >
> >  
> >
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