Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
> I am travelling to the USa next week with my husband and we will have > about a week near the East Coast between about Philadelphia and > Richmond. We will be hiring a car in Pittburgh and travelling around > before we go to the SCA's Pennsic War. The area of travel is influenced > by where friends live. > If you are interested in boats, there is a neat tall ship (reconstructed from about 1812) in Erie, PA (1 hour and 15 minutes north of Pennsic). If you're interested, check the sailing schedule ahead of time - I think it is sailing to Ohio for a week or 2 sometime this summer, or, (if you're lucky) there are occasional day sails that the public can go on. Less than 2 hrs. from Erie is Cleveland where the art museum has a fine medieval collection and also home of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. By taking I-80, you could get back to Pennsic probably in 2 and a half hours. (I'm guessing on that one, as it's been years since I took that route.) Is this your first Pennsic? Be warned - once you get there, you may not want to leave to go anywhere else! Janet (or Lady Leah Janette) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYuUaUi892k First off, none of the gowns I saw were from or near 1400s looking. The first woman on the sideline dancing with a man is wearing something akin to what I had seen once upon a time in the Simplicity fantasy costume section. The two "courtesans" one wearing green and the other in red look like Hollywood 1800s western dance hall outfits or something that might have been worn at the Moulin rouge. at 3:02 and 3:08 there is a woman wearing something akin to Venice "V" gown. http://tinyurl.com/kvcfkv 3:10 Striped gown, hard to see it but I believe the black partlet may be one of the thing off about it. Most gowns look like they were "Dangerous Beauty meets Moulin Rouge. This demo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9jIgLnQOSo&NR=1 at 2:49 looks like the back of a Florentine gown of 1530(?) http://festiveattyre.com/research/secondflor/secflor6.html I agree, good animation. -Original Message- I have been doing some publicity for EB Games/Game Depot lately which is odd seeing I don't have a damned idea about video and computer games nor any interest in playing the things, however, has anyone seen the previews for Assassin's Creed 2, an up-coming video game? It is set in northern Italy, late 1400s. There was something suspicious about the woman wearing red in the preview video (see it at thier site or go into a game store, tell 'em I sent you!) so I went back to some old research and was a bit surprised... Whoever designed the game look has actually done more than gone to a Ren Faire, the woman is not a bad animated match for some Durer sketches of that period -- or maybe just the Moonlighting Taming of the Shrew ep! The lushness and textures impress me. Still, there is something about the briefly-seen costume that annoys me although I cannot put my finger on it. Fall of gown? Shape in general? I dunno. Anyone else seen it and have an opinion. Oh, and by the way, I am not citing it as a great example of historical reproduction, just a curiosity, -C. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see?
Pierre & Sandy Pettinger wrote: Well, we just heard of an interesting-sounding fabric store, via one of our friends on another costume list - and it also applies to the current thread about 60's and 70's clothing! Which costume list? Re Gombar's Fabrics, if they put up a website I'd be interested in buying from them that way. Fran Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costume New book on 1820s clothing! http://www.lavoltapress.com Sandy Our friend Sophia Kelly Shultz sends this information: Gombar's Fabrics is located in St. Clair, PA (home of the famous St. Clair fern fossils, for you fossil collectors out there). It is the last fabric store in Schuylkill ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see?
Well, we just heard of an interesting-sounding fabric store, via one of our friends on another costume list - and it also applies to the current thread about 60's and 70's clothing! Sandy Our friend Sophia Kelly Shultz sends this information: Gombar's Fabrics is located in St. Clair, PA (home of the famous St. Clair fern fossils, for you fossil collectors out there). It is the last fabric store in Schuylkill (if you're from Philly you pronounce this "Skoo-kull"; natives here call themselves "Skooks" which I find scary) County. Thanks to Wally World and the general economy, she is in trouble financially and it would be a tremendous loss to the sewing world if she went out of business. This store has not gotten new fabric in since about 1988, and most of the fabric dates to well before that. I have not gone through a fraction of the stock and have seen loads of fabric dating back to the 70s and before, and LACE...if you like vintage lace (not the stuff everybody's grandma saved from the Victorian era, but things like the cotton laces of the 60s and 70s--beautiful stuff, really, and in quantity) this is the place to go. Her prices are AMAZING (read: the prices have not gone up since they got each piece of fabric in. Gathered 2" wide cotton lace can be had for .69/yard.) She also has vintage TRIMS, some of it hilariously dated (think MOD) but most in beautiful condition. If you are interested in millinery, she has millinery blocks in profusion, including specialty ones for wide brims. Her mother got her start as a milliner and I hope to find more feathers like the ones I found in the basement last week. We do not have set prices on the blocks, but no fair offer will be refused. (And please be fair: she is fighting for her life here.) BUTTONS...they are everywhere and I haven't taken inventory yet, but there are a LOT, dating back maybe to the 50s. PATTERNS...if you like vintage patterns she must have at least 500 of them (looks like a thousand.) Some are without envelopes but were apparently "samples" provided by the pattern companies, so they are not cut or anything, just without envelopes. They date from the 40s to the 80s, and include hat patterns, classic dress patterns, bridals, and men's clothing. Interestingly, she has many of the same pattern in multiple sizes, particularly from the 70s. I am hoping to start a database soon, starting with the really old patterns. We plan to inventory all of the patterns and make sure each one has all its pieces. REMNANTS... Some .25 and .50 each. Tidbits of the past! So as you can see, this place is a treasure trove, with 30% off her already low prices on fabric (one time I bought something and she said, "Now, you know this is $3.49/yard" like that was a lot!) I have been helping clean out and we find new things every time I am there. I suppose I can update this as we find things. If you call in advance, we will open specially for parties or individuals wishing to fish around. We are right off of I-81 (at the Frackville Exit) and Route 61 South (directions are available or you can use google maps.) If you're coming some distance, please call me at 570-691-6327 and I will be happy to put you up at my house if you can tolerate two energetic Springer Spaniels, a pissed off cat (one of the dogs is new) and my rock collection. Please help to save this store! Gombar's Fabrics 15 West Carroll St. St. Clair PA 17970 570-429-0403 The owner's name is Mary Beth. Thanks in advance!! Sophia At 06:04 PM 7/7/2009, you wrote: Hi everyone, I am travelling to the USa next week with my husband and we will have about a week near the East Coast between about Philadelphia and Richmond. We will be hiring a car in Pittburgh and travelling around before we go to the SCA's Pennsic War. The area of travel is influenced by where friends live. We hope to get to Plimoth and Jamestown reenactment villages but are looking for other places of interest to see - historical or costume-related, but not as late period as the Civil War. Any recommendations? thanks in advance Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) "Those Who Fail to Learn History Are Doomed to Repeat It; Those Who Fail To Learn History Correctly - Why They Are Simply Doomed." Achemdro'hm "The Illusion of Historical Fact" -- C. Y. 4971 Andromeda ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
Of course!? So could we. From 2:00 to 4:00 on Sunday afternoon.? Doors open.? Feet on the floor.? Housemother wandering the halls.? And they had to sign in at the desk in the lobby.? Catherine -Original Message- From: Beth Chamberlain (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.)? ? Beth? ? ? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
While it's a whole nuther subject and unrelated to historic costume, it bears mentioning that it wasn't just the clothing rebels you have to thank for your academic freedom, but all those courageous dissidents on campuses like Cal Berkeley who stood up for their right to free speech in the late 1960s. A lot changed because of them. That's all. Sylvia On Jul 7, 2009, at 9:42 PM, Beth Chamberlain wrote: These younger girls don't realize what they missed!< But we appreciated the paths you forged! By the 80's we could show up for class in jeans, sweats or even pj's. I always wondered if the girls in pj's with uncombed hair would have dared to do that if there were guys in class. The Home Ec students were certainly "encouraged" to dress nicely for certain events but in class it was pretty much anything goes. (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.) Beth "A library is not a luxury but one of the necessities of life" Henry Ward Beecher http://mysite.verizon.net/bachamberlain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
These younger girls don't realize what they missed!< But we appreciated the paths you forged! By the 80's we could show up for class in jeans, sweats or even pj's. I always wondered if the girls in pj's with uncombed hair would have dared to do that if there were guys in class. The Home Ec students were certainly "encouraged" to dress nicely for certain events but in class it was pretty much anything goes. (Of course by then we could have men in our rooms too - thank you to the women of the 70's for that.) Beth "A library is not a luxury but one of the necessities of life" Henry Ward Beecher http://mysite.verizon.net/bachamberlain ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dress Codes....was 1960 hippie fashion
albert...@aol.com wrote:
> Male dress codes abound too.
>
> At Prep school, we boys had to wear a coat and tie to class and
> dinner. Freshmen had to wear a black tie. No jeans were allowed so
> we resorted to the ubiquitous navy blazer, grey or khaki pants and
> some kind of striped tie.just like today! Then around 1970 the
> denim blazer came out! We were praising little baby Jesus because
> now we could wear jeans with our denim blazers to class.
My husband attended a prep school his junior year ('71/'72) and was
required to wear a shirt, tie, and coat. Nothing was said about the
pants requirement, so he wore shorts and hiking boots with he shirt,
tie, and coat. Even in the New Hampshire winter!
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Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
> > These younger girls don't realize what they missed! Well, I went to high school in the 1990s... which means that the one outfit I remember wearing to DEATH was a brown wool shirt (think lumberjack type, but thinner, and brown with a thin blue line and some orange patterning instead of red and black) that was (and still is) several sizes too big for me (almost went to my knees), with brown ankle-high Kickers shoes. We also wore our jeans too long and walked on them until the hem ripped out (my mother wouldn't let me do this, though). ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] non-conformist behavior
Yeah, that talk needs to be given, even here, even now. MAYBE, the world is finally ready for it! On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey < mary.d...@pierocarey.info> wrote: > Anahita said: > > The Head Mistress saw me walking into chapel to give my talk and told me > not to. This was either late 66 or early 67. I was the only senior not to > give a talk. > > What on earth did she think you were going to do? More importantly, what > WERE you going to do? > Mary Piero Carey, aging hippie & high school stealth subversive > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
you were stealthy!?! I should have tried that; maybe my mother and the principal wouldn't have been on a first-name basis. My mom - bless her - said that as long as my grades were good I could wear whatever I wanted within the sense of decency (although she would have kept me in the sweater sets she bought me in elementary school if she could have). Actually, we had to be uppity and strident - it was the time for it and we needed to be heard as people, not just girls. It may not have won us fans in the administration but they finally heard us. On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Mary + Doug Piero Carey < mary.d...@pierocarey.info> wrote: > Michelle said: > > LynnD, apparently you and other uppity girls of your generation are > responsible for the comfort my generation enjoyed in our school days. > Thanks. > > You're welcome. We worked at it. > > Mary Piero Carey, aging hippie & high school stealth subversive > > > >> > ___ > h-costume mailing list > h-costume@mail.indra.com > http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume > ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see?[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Colonial Williamsburg -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of Wilson, Annette Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 4:04 PM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see?[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi everyone, I am travelling to the USa next week with my husband and we will have about a week near the East Coast between about Philadelphia and Richmond. We will be hiring a car in Pittburgh and travelling around before we go to the SCA's Pennsic War. The area of travel is influenced by where friends live. We hope to get to Plimoth and Jamestown reenactment villages but are looking for other places of interest to see - historical or costume-related, but not as late period as the Civil War. Any recommendations? thanks in advance Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] WWI Khaki Drill?
A friend of mine is working on a uniform reproduction and needs khaki cotton drill (about 4 yards). He's got the supplier in the UK who has made it for the British armed forces for the last 150 years or so, but is wondering if there's a supplier here in the states that might be cheaper and quicker. Any suggestions for sources? andy ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
Michelle said: LynnD, apparently you and other uppity girls of your generation are responsible for the comfort my generation enjoyed in our school days. Thanks. You're welcome. We worked at it. Mary Piero Carey, aging hippie & high school stealth subversive ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] non-conformist behavior
Anahita said: The Head Mistress saw me walking into chapel to give my talk and told me not to. This was either late 66 or early 67. I was the only senior not to give a talk. What on earth did she think you were going to do? More importantly, what WERE you going to do? Mary Piero Carey, aging hippie & high school stealth subversive ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED
Welcome to America!?? If you are planning to visit Jamestown, Williamsburg (colonial capital of Virginia) is right next door and Yorktown (British surrender) just a few miles away.? They call it the Historic Triangle.? Virginia Beach has an outdoor drama about the First Landing (before they got to Jamestown) this summer.? That is about an hour east of? Williamsburg, on the coast.? From what I've read, performances depend on weather (it's on the beach) and security (it's on Fort Story).?? Richmond is about an hour west of Williamsburg.? If you want to go a little further south, Manteo, North Carolina has the outdoor drama "Lost Colony" about the settlement that disappeared a few years before Jamestown. ? If you want SCA references, Jamestown/Williamsburg/Yorktown are in the Barony of Tir-y-don and Virginia Beach is in the Barony of Marinus.? Enjoy your stay and have fun at Pennsic!? Wish we were going this year. Sigh.? Catherine Norfolk, Virginia Barony of Marinus, Atlantia -Original Message- From: Wilson, Annette To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 7:04 pm Subject: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi everyone, I am travelling to the USa next week with my husband and we will have about a week near the East Coast between about Philadelphia and Richmond. We will be hiring a car in Pittburgh and travelling around before we go to the SCA's Pennsic War. The area of travel is influenced by where friends live. We hope to get to Plimoth and Jamestown reenactment villages but are looking for other places of interest to see - historical or costume-related, but not as late period as the Civil War. Any recommendations? thanks in advance Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] nehru jackets
You do? Ooh! I have wanted one since I was kid! I have a couple tux jackets with mandarin collars that have satiated me, but I like the concept of making one! Any chance of making a copy of it? Henry W. Osier Chairman, Costume-Con 28 May 7 to May 10, 2010 www.CC28.org Look for our fan page on Facebook! And on Twitter: CostumeCon28 Got questions? Join the CostumeCon Yahoo group! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see? [SEC=UN...
In a message dated 7/7/2009 7:05:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, annette.wil...@environment.gov.au writes: Any recommendations? A friend told me that the current exhibit of Spanish armor at the National Gallery of Art in Washington is fabulous, and she is by no means an armor enthusiast. Ann Wass **Looking for love this summer? Find it now on AOL Personals. (http://personals.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntuslove0003) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] visiting eastern USA - recommendations of things to see? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Hi everyone, I am travelling to the USa next week with my husband and we will have about a week near the East Coast between about Philadelphia and Richmond. We will be hiring a car in Pittburgh and travelling around before we go to the SCA's Pennsic War. The area of travel is influenced by where friends live. We hope to get to Plimoth and Jamestown reenactment villages but are looking for other places of interest to see - historical or costume-related, but not as late period as the Civil War. Any recommendations? thanks in advance Annette Wilson (Canberra, Australia) -- If you have received this transmission in error please notify us immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. If this e-mail or any attachments have been sent to you in error, that error does not constitute waiver of any confidentiality, privilege or copyright in respect of information in the e-mail or attachments. Please consider the environment before printing this email. -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art WAS Research, Primary & so on
Do you mean the two courtesan type women dancing? -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of stils...@netspace.net.au Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 6:50 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art WAS Research, Primary & so on I have been doing some publicity for EB Games/Game Depot lately which is odd seeing I don't have a damned idea about video and computer games nor any interest in playing the things, however, has anyone seen the previews for Assassin's Creed 2, an up-coming video game? It is set in northern Italy, late 1400s. There was something suspicious about the woman wearing red in the preview video (see it at thier site or go into a game store, tell 'em I sent you!) so I went back to some old research and was a bit surprised... Whoever designed the game look has actually done more than gone to a Ren Faire, the woman is not a bad animated match for some Durer sketches of that period -- or maybe just the Moonlighting Taming of the Shrew ep! The lushness and textures impress me. Still, there is something about the briefly-seen costume that annoys me although I cannot put my finger on it. Fall of gown? Shape in general? I dunno. Anyone else seen it and have an opinion. Oh, and by the way, I am not citing it as a great example of historical reproduction, just a curiosity, -C. This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dress Codes....was 1960 hippie fashion
Yes, that. The boys at our school (public) had to wear trousers (no jeans or shorts) and collared shirts (no tanks or tees). Shoes and socks, no sandals. No facial hair. Haircuts no longer than the bottom of the collar. No earrings (not that a lot of guys had pierced ears - YET.) No necklaces other than religious medals/crosses/the like, and must be SMALL. I'm sure there was other stuff as well, but these were the ones my male friends complained of the most... Liadain "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..." needleworks in progress- http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com freebie and pattern news- http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies -Original Message- From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On Behalf Of albert...@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 11:08 AM To: h-cost...@indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Dress Codeswas 1960 hippie fashion Just for the record... Male dress codes abound too. At Prep school, we boys had to wear a coat and tie to class and dinner. Freshmen had to wear a black tie. No jeans were allowed so we resorted to the ubiquitous navy blazer, grey or khaki pants and some kind of striped tie.just like today! Then around 1970 the denim blazer came out! We were praising little baby Jesus because now we could wear jeans with our denim blazers to class. I remember tying all my ties and hanging them on the bed post so I could just grab one and run to class. My Junior year, coats and ties were no longer required except for Sunday sit down dinner at one's advisor's table. But still no T-shirts to class! **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=htt p://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
Martha, You are a little ahead of me.? I was in high school when I had the blouse with eggplants.? It had an olive-green background and matching skirt.? I had a sweater to match the skirt.? Now I know that was probably not a good color for me - and I know why my mother would never let me have the "burnt orange" outfit.? I had scads of really neat knee socks - all different patterns and colors. When I left for college, my mother went through my stuff and gave most of them away. Imagine my disappointment when I asked her to send them to me when the weather turned cold!? She did send me my old black loafers to wear for band.? In high school, I wore saddles with the knee socks. I remember polishing them every morning before school. They stayed on better than loafers - I have skinny feet.? (And were more practical for walking up the driveway from the bus stop - especially in the snow.) My freshman year room-mate was barely 5' and I'm 5'10".? She wore my tennis dress to the President's Tea.? These younger girls don't realize what they missed! By the way, we took our younger son to Lynchburg College this past weekend for Governor's School.? He'll be there all month.? Catherine -Original Message- From: Martha Kelly To: h-cost...@indra.com Sent: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 2:42 pm Subject: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie Hi Kate (Sweetbriar) and Catherine (Radford) I was at Randolph-Macon Woman's College in Lynchburg, Virginia from 1964-1966. Then I went to Northwestern. Because I was there such a brief time and because new clothes were bought for college, I have all sorts of snapshots of my friends and myself that I can nail to a short period of time. I do wish we could post pictures here. Absolutely NO pants of any kind allowed on front campus or in class. For 8:00 AM French class we rolled up the legs of our pajamas and hid them with our London Fog raincoats. The most popular footwear was Bass Weejuns (Scotch grain). Weejuns were spiffier than Old Maine Trotters. In high school we put pennies in the brown loafers and nickels in the black ones. By 1964 this was uncool. We wore our loafers with knee socks or with panty hose. Keds were good for summer. They were white canvas and had a blue label on the back of the heel. I had a few real Villager outfits, but mostly copies. The popular style was an A-line heathery skirt with a matching cable-knit sweater. You wore this on a casual date and to "mixers." The appropriate length was mid-knee. Everyone wore printed cotton blouses. These were often floral, but sometimes whimsical. I had one with eggplants. These usually had Peter Pan collars and roll-up sleeves. They were worn with solid-color skirts. Cardigans were worn, unbuttoned, over blouses. Many were hand made. We were all busy knitting. Fair Isle sweaters were greatly admired. Everybody had a yellow slicker with a hood. Hoods in general were popular, but garments with them weren't called "hoodies." Madras was everywhere. My Madras dress had a hemp belt. In fact, I had hemp belts in all colors. The front part was always leather and the buckle was metal. I had a Granny dress made out of a mustard-colored cotton with a tiny print. It was empire waisted and almost touched the floor. It was trimmed with rickrack. This style was a new concept in Virginia in the mid-60's. Very daring. For church, and for the President's Tea, we wore little white gloves. Our purses matched our heels. We wore pantyhose and always wore a slip. Pettipants were around, too. There were no tattoos. Not much nail polish. Ears were not pierced. We all smoked - absolutely everybody. Martha PS By 1969 I was working at Actor's Theater in Louisville and buying myself 1930's velvets at the Salvation Army. ** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
> I was at Randolph-Macon Woman's College in Lynchburg, Virginia from > 1964-1966. This all sounds like what many people were doing when I was in High School in southern CA. then, except for the church and white gloves part. The Beach Boys, and the (male) surfer crowd in southern CA, looked like Grunge, with jeans, plaid flannel shirts, t-shirts with silk-screened something on them, and hair that touched their shirt collars. The first decorated t-shirts were silk-screened. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Dress Codes....was 1960 hippie fashion
> My Junior year, coats and ties were no longer required except for Sunday > sit down dinner at one's advisor's table. But still no T-shirts to class! As recently as the 1980s women weren't allowed to wear t-shirts to class at my trade school. So I convinced them that a plain-colored pocket-less t-shirt was a "knit top", and wore those for shirts. I don't think I've owned a regular blouse since the 1960s. -- Carolyn Kayta Barrows -- “The future is already here, it is just unevenly distributed.” -William Gibson -- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Virginia Women's Colleges in the 1960's - definitely pre-hippie
Hi Kate (Sweetbriar) and Catherine (Radford) I was at Randolph-Macon Woman's College in Lynchburg, Virginia from 1964-1966. Then I went to Northwestern. Because I was there such a brief time and because new clothes were bought for college, I have all sorts of snapshots of my friends and myself that I can nail to a short period of time. I do wish we could post pictures here. Absolutely NO pants of any kind allowed on front campus or in class. For 8:00 AM French class we rolled up the legs of our pajamas and hid them with our London Fog raincoats. The most popular footwear was Bass Weejuns (Scotch grain). Weejuns were spiffier than Old Maine Trotters. In high school we put pennies in the brown loafers and nickels in the black ones. By 1964 this was uncool. We wore our loafers with knee socks or with panty hose. Keds were good for summer. They were white canvas and had a blue label on the back of the heel. I had a few real Villager outfits, but mostly copies. The popular style was an A-line heathery skirt with a matching cable-knit sweater. You wore this on a casual date and to "mixers." The appropriate length was mid-knee. Everyone wore printed cotton blouses. These were often floral, but sometimes whimsical. I had one with eggplants. These usually had Peter Pan collars and roll-up sleeves. They were worn with solid-color skirts. Cardigans were worn, unbuttoned, over blouses. Many were hand made. We were all busy knitting. Fair Isle sweaters were greatly admired. Everybody had a yellow slicker with a hood. Hoods in general were popular, but garments with them weren't called "hoodies." Madras was everywhere. My Madras dress had a hemp belt. In fact, I had hemp belts in all colors. The front part was always leather and the buckle was metal. I had a Granny dress made out of a mustard-colored cotton with a tiny print. It was empire waisted and almost touched the floor. It was trimmed with rickrack. This style was a new concept in Virginia in the mid-60's. Very daring. For church, and for the President's Tea, we wore little white gloves. Our purses matched our heels. We wore pantyhose and always wore a slip. Pettipants were around, too. There were no tattoos. Not much nail polish. Ears were not pierced. We all smoked - absolutely everybody. Martha PS By 1969 I was working at Actor's Theater in Louisville and buying myself 1930's velvets at the Salvation Army. ** ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dress Codes....was 1960 hippie fashion
Just for the record... Male dress codes abound too. At Prep school, we boys had to wear a coat and tie to class and dinner. Freshmen had to wear a black tie. No jeans were allowed so we resorted to the ubiquitous navy blazer, grey or khaki pants and some kind of striped tie.just like today! Then around 1970 the denim blazer came out! We were praising little baby Jesus because now we could wear jeans with our denim blazers to class. I remember tying all my ties and hanging them on the bed post so I could just grab one and run to class. My Junior year, coats and ties were no longer required except for Sunday sit down dinner at one's advisor's table. But still no T-shirts to class! **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222585089x1201462806/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
Sorry don't know how that got out twice.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Lynn Downward wrote:
> Even in the public schools of hippy San Francisco (go Lincoln Mustangs!) we
> weren't allowed to wear pants until my senior year, Sept or Oct, 1969 and
> then only because we all decided to do it anyway. As Liadain said, there
> were too many of us to send home. Our Pant-In was on a Friday and only half
> of us wore pants again on Monday, but that was enough; we'd broken the
> deans' spirit and there wasn't another word about not wearing pants. They
> still didn't like the granny dresses for another year or so, or so my
> younger brother said. He paid attention to fashions because I had been
> strident (I'll admit to strident, even harping) in trying to get more
> variety allowed in clothing at school - minis in 10th grad, maxis, grannys,
> pants. Yes, I was one of the fringe-wearing kids who asked how what we wore
> impacted how well we learned.
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Frank A Thallas Jr <
> fathal...@collinscom.net> wrote:
>
>> We weren't allowed to wear pants unless the temp was 32F or below (and no
>> jeans!). This doesn't happen that often in Corpus Christi, TX - but by
>> golly that sea wind is blessed COLD at 33degrees...
>> In my 9th grade year('68), most of the girls staged a pants-wearing "sit
>> in". Didn't work, but there were too many of us to send home to change.
>>
>> Liadain
>> cruisin' on the nostalgia train
>>
>> "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."
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>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
>> Behalf Of Sharon Collier
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:12 PM
>> To: 'Historical Costume'
>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
>>
>> I remember freezing in skirts in the winter because we weren't allowed to
>> wear pants. In a class where the teacher wore a sheepskin vest (nice and
>> cozy) and kept the windows open for fresh air. Talk about a distraction!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
>> Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:14 PM
>> To: h-cost...@indra.com
>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/6/2009 2:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> dela...@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> They called it a "distraction."
>>
>>
>> How is a maxi-skirt a distraction? I just don't get it. Mini...I can, in
>> disagreement, see it. But NOT showing your legs is a distraction?
>>
>> Of course I was told my hair was too long by my English teacher in
>> prep-school. I asked him "What does the length of my hair have to do with
>> my
>> ability to learn English?" I thought it was a good question. I wanted to
>> know the answer. I got sent to the Head Master's office.
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Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
Even in the public schools of hippy San Francisco (go Lincoln Mustangs!) we
weren't allowed to wear pants until my senior year, Sept or Oct, 1969 and
then only because we all decided to do it anyway. As Liadain said, there
were too many of us to send home. Our Pant-In was on a Friday and only half
of us wore pants again on Monday, but that was enough; we'd broken the
deans' spirit and there wasn't another word about not wearing pants. They
still didn't like the granny dresses for another year or so, or so my
younger brother said. He paid attention to fashions because I had been
strident (I'll admit to strident, even harping) in trying to get more
variety allowed in clothing at school - minis in 10th grad, maxis, grannys,
pants. Yes, I was one of the fringe-wearing kids who asked how what we wore
impacted how well we learned.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Frank A Thallas Jr wrote:
> We weren't allowed to wear pants unless the temp was 32F or below (and no
> jeans!). This doesn't happen that often in Corpus Christi, TX - but by
> golly that sea wind is blessed COLD at 33degrees...
> In my 9th grade year('68), most of the girls staged a pants-wearing "sit
> in". Didn't work, but there were too many of us to send home to change.
>
> Liadain
> cruisin' on the nostalgia train
>
> "You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."
> needleworks in progress-
> http://practical-blackwork.blogspot.com
> freebie and pattern news-
> http://practical-blackwork.tripod.com
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/liadains_fancies
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Sharon Collier
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 1:12 PM
> To: 'Historical Costume'
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
>
> I remember freezing in skirts in the winter because we weren't allowed to
> wear pants. In a class where the teacher wore a sheepskin vest (nice and
> cozy) and kept the windows open for fresh air. Talk about a distraction!
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of albert...@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:14 PM
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
>
>
> In a message dated 7/6/2009 2:24:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dela...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> They called it a "distraction."
>
>
> How is a maxi-skirt a distraction? I just don't get it. Mini...I can, in
> disagreement, see it. But NOT showing your legs is a distraction?
>
> Of course I was told my hair was too long by my English teacher in
> prep-school. I asked him "What does the length of my hair have to do with
> my
> ability to learn English?" I thought it was a good question. I wanted to
> know the answer. I got sent to the Head Master's office.
> **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy
> Steps!
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Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
At Sweet Briar (a touch north of Radford) in '66 you could wear jodhpurs to
class if your riding class butted up to one of your other classes, but we
could wear jeans when not in class (the theatre prof let us techie types
wear them to class in the theatre).
Kate Pinner
-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of cbellfl...@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 9:02 PM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
I attended Radford, an all-girls college in Southwestern Virginia, starting
in 1968.? We were allowed to have slacks (not denim) but could only wear
them outside the dorm with a knee-length coat freshman year.? I was in the
band and we were getting ready for? Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.? Band
was scheduled as an 8am class, but we were actually starting at 7:30 most
days to get in the extra practice.? By mid-November it was cold!?? The only
time we could wear slacks to class was if the Dean declared it a "slacks
day" and she didn't announce that until about 8am!? Oh, by the way, our
uniform was full Scottish regalia - kilt and all. ?
Sophmore year the rule was changed to letting us wear slacks and by senior
year we were in jeans.? (The summer after I graduated the school went
co-ed.)?
Catherine
-Original Message-
From: Frank A Thallas Jr
To: 'Historical Costume'
Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2009 9:47 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1960 hippie fashion
We weren't allowed to wear pants unless the temp was 32F or below (and no
jeans!). This doesn't happen that often in Corpus Christi, TX - but by
golly that sea wind is blessed COLD at 33degrees...
In my 9th grade year('68), most of the girls staged a pants-wearing "sit
in". Didn't work, but there were too many of us to send home to change.
Liadain
cruisin' on the nostalgia train
"You get a wonderful view from the point of no return..."
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Re: [h-cost] Ye olde modern art WAS Research, Primary & so on
Very pretty images, nice depth and texture to the animation. As for the womens' gowns I would say: 1950s painting of a Victorian dress up party into which some women in their underwear have accidentally wandered! :-) (but my guess is that the pictures they were based on were mostly later 16th century Venetian) - Hope stils...@netspace.net.au wrote: Whoever designed the game look has actually done more than gone to a Ren Faire, the woman is not a bad animated match for some Durer sketches of that period -- or maybe just the Moonlighting Taming of the Shrew ep! The lushness and textures impress me. Still, there is something about the briefly-seen costume that annoys me although I cannot put my finger on it. Fall of gown? Shape in general? I dunno. Anyone else seen it and have an opinion. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
