Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet and closure of fabric sources

2010-01-19 Thread Talia
Yeah, he's good about that sort of thing. He's that rare man that actually
knows fabrics. He hasn't gotten tricked yet :)

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:17 AM, SPaterson  wrote:

> Tell him to be careful, many times the guys in Seoul tried to sell my mum,
> polyester-silk as silk.
>
> My mum:  Silk?
> Guys: Nae (head nodding)
> My mum: no, not silk
> Guy: Nae, silk...polyester-silk
>
> mind you we lived there when I was a kid a few mumble decades ago but I
> noticed a similar trend in the suk in Ba'hrain not that too long ago.
>
> Sarah Paterson / Bess Darnley
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
>> I'm really lucky in respect to fabric...my man is posted with the military
>> in Seoul, Korea and he actually knows about fabrics, so I can just tell
>> him
>> what I want and he gets it for me at the fabric district. :)
>>
>> It's not that much cheaper over there though, since the bad economy has
>> pretty much affected the whole world. I have set him a quest this weekend
>> to
>> look for 100% silk velvet, so we'll see what he comes up with.
>>
>>
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet and closure of fabric sources

2010-01-19 Thread SPaterson
Tell him to be careful, many times the guys in Seoul tried to sell my mum, 
polyester-silk as silk.


My mum:  Silk?
Guys: Nae (head nodding)
My mum: no, not silk
Guy: Nae, silk...polyester-silk

mind you we lived there when I was a kid a few mumble decades ago but I 
noticed a similar trend in the suk in Ba'hrain not that too long ago.


Sarah Paterson / Bess Darnley

- Original Message - 


I'm really lucky in respect to fabric...my man is posted with the military
in Seoul, Korea and he actually knows about fabrics, so I can just tell 
him

what I want and he gets it for me at the fabric district. :)

It's not that much cheaper over there though, since the bad economy has
pretty much affected the whole world. I have set him a quest this weekend 
to

look for 100% silk velvet, so we'll see what he comes up with.



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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet and closure of fabric sources

2010-01-19 Thread Talia
I'm really lucky in respect to fabric...my man is posted with the military
in Seoul, Korea and he actually knows about fabrics, so I can just tell him
what I want and he gets it for me at the fabric district. :)

It's not that much cheaper over there though, since the bad economy has
pretty much affected the whole world. I have set him a quest this weekend to
look for 100% silk velvet, so we'll see what he comes up with.

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 9:03 AM, Abel, Cynthia L.  wrote:

> Silk velvet(silk and rayon)is getting harder to find, even online and I
> usually need to check fabric out in person.  Over the past ten years, the
> few specialty fabric stores in my area have closed due to retirement of
> owners and economy. Even the one good quilting fabric store may close.
>
> The fabric and craft stores I can get to by bus are also closing or moving
> to locations further out west, and the new stores are smaller.
>
> I only dress dolls now in historic costumes, so thank goodness for my
> fabric stash I do have. And I haven't made one in over a year, but hope to
> start up again soon.
>
> Cindy Abel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Chiara Francesca
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:45 PM
> To: 'Historical Costume'
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
>
> It may have been the one that is closed now. Gold had three shops back
> there at one time. Now I think someone else is renting the space and selling
> fabrics through there but the last time we went two of them were closed.
>
> They vary between what doors are opened and closed through the seasons. :)
>
> ♫
> Chiara Francesca
> "Which 'Chiara'...?? Nah... wasn't me ;-)"
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
> > On Behalf Of Traci
> > Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:26 AM
> > To: Historical Costume
> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
> >
> > Yes, I think she meant Golden D'or.  Their backroom is cheap but I
> > haven't
> > been able to find much there as of late.  Was a goldmine when they
> > first
> > opened the backroom up but not so much now.
> >
> > I did not find my velvet there; it was from one of the little stores on
> > Perth Street (which is a short distance away from Golden D'or).
> >
> > Traci
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Lavolta Press
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You mean these guys?
> > >
> > > http://www.goldendor.com/retail_store.html
> > >
> > > Fran
> > > Lavolta Press
> > > http://www.lavoltapress.com
> > >
> > > On 1/17/2010 5:11 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote:
> > >
> > >> Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow
> > into
> > >> that little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is
> > where
> > >> some of us have found the silk velvet.
> > >>
> > >> And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D
> > >>
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet and closure of fabric sources

2010-01-19 Thread Abel, Cynthia L.
Silk velvet(silk and rayon)is getting harder to find, even online and I usually 
need to check fabric out in person.  Over the past ten years, the few specialty 
fabric stores in my area have closed due to retirement of owners and economy. 
Even the one good quilting fabric store may close.

The fabric and craft stores I can get to by bus are also closing or moving to 
locations further out west, and the new stores are smaller.

I only dress dolls now in historic costumes, so thank goodness for my fabric 
stash I do have. And I haven't made one in over a year, but hope to start up 
again soon.

Cindy Abel

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On 
Behalf Of Chiara Francesca
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 5:45 PM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

It may have been the one that is closed now. Gold had three shops back there at 
one time. Now I think someone else is renting the space and selling fabrics 
through there but the last time we went two of them were closed.

They vary between what doors are opened and closed through the seasons. :)

♫
Chiara Francesca
"Which 'Chiara'...?? Nah... wasn't me ;-)"

> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
> On Behalf Of Traci
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:26 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
> 
> Yes, I think she meant Golden D'or.  Their backroom is cheap but I
> haven't
> been able to find much there as of late.  Was a goldmine when they
> first
> opened the backroom up but not so much now.
> 
> I did not find my velvet there; it was from one of the little stores on
> Perth Street (which is a short distance away from Golden D'or).
> 
> Traci
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Lavolta Press
> wrote:
> 
> > You mean these guys?
> >
> > http://www.goldendor.com/retail_store.html
> >
> > Fran
> > Lavolta Press
> > http://www.lavoltapress.com
> >
> > On 1/17/2010 5:11 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote:
> >
> >> Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow
> into
> >> that little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is
> where
> >> some of us have found the silk velvet.
> >>
> >> And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D
> >>
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-18 Thread Chiara Francesca
It may have been the one that is closed now. Gold had three shops back there at 
one time. Now I think someone else is renting the space and selling fabrics 
through there but the last time we went two of them were closed.

They vary between what doors are opened and closed through the seasons. :)

♫
Chiara Francesca
"Which 'Chiara'...?? Nah... wasn't me ;-)"

> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
> On Behalf Of Traci
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:26 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
> 
> Yes, I think she meant Golden D'or.  Their backroom is cheap but I
> haven't
> been able to find much there as of late.  Was a goldmine when they
> first
> opened the backroom up but not so much now.
> 
> I did not find my velvet there; it was from one of the little stores on
> Perth Street (which is a short distance away from Golden D'or).
> 
> Traci
> 
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Lavolta Press
> wrote:
> 
> > You mean these guys?
> >
> > http://www.goldendor.com/retail_store.html
> >
> > Fran
> > Lavolta Press
> > http://www.lavoltapress.com
> >
> > On 1/17/2010 5:11 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote:
> >
> >> Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow
> into
> >> that little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is
> where
> >> some of us have found the silk velvet.
> >>
> >> And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D
> >>
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-18 Thread Traci
Yes, I think she meant Golden D'or.  Their backroom is cheap but I haven't
been able to find much there as of late.  Was a goldmine when they first
opened the backroom up but not so much now.

I did not find my velvet there; it was from one of the little stores on
Perth Street (which is a short distance away from Golden D'or).

Traci

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> You mean these guys?
>
> http://www.goldendor.com/retail_store.html
>
> Fran
> Lavolta Press
> http://www.lavoltapress.com
>
> On 1/17/2010 5:11 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote:
>
>> Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow into
>> that little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is where
>> some of us have found the silk velvet.
>>
>> And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D
>>
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-18 Thread Lavolta Press

You mean these guys?

http://www.goldendor.com/retail_store.html

Fran
Lavolta Press
http://www.lavoltapress.com

On 1/17/2010 5:11 PM, Chiara Francesca wrote:

Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow into that 
little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is where some of us 
have found the silk velvet.

And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D

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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-17 Thread Chiara Francesca
Silk d'Or has a private bridal shop that they put out the overflow into that 
little back room that has minimal lighting sometimes. That is where some of us 
have found the silk velvet.

And I too have mine sitting in a box for um ... too many years. :D

♫
Chiara Francesca
"Which 'Chiara'...?? Nah... wasn't me ;-)"


> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com]
> On Behalf Of Traci
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:27 AM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
> 
> I don't know the name of the store unfortunately; it was one of the
> ones on
> Perth street (which is basically the Dallas fabric district).   <:)
> 
> Also, I got my velvet over 2 years ago (like I said, I really need to
> find
> the time for this project!).  Since those stores can't order anything
> and
> they get what they get it was luck that I found the bolt.
> Traci
> On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Betsy Marshall <
> be...@softwareinnovation.com> wrote:
> 
> > I'll second that request! Please, please...(Arlington TX area, but
> not
> > far...)
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-
> boun...@indra.com] On
> > Behalf Of Elena House
> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:57 PM
> > To: Historical Costume
> > Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Traci 
> wrote:
> > > I found my velvet at a small private store (not a chain and not
> online)
> > in
> > > the fabric district near me (Dallas)
> >
> > As someone who has tons of family in and around Dallas, I'd like very
> > much to know more about this small private store...
> >
> > -E House
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-17 Thread Traci
I don't know the name of the store unfortunately; it was one of the ones on
Perth street (which is basically the Dallas fabric district).   <:)

Also, I got my velvet over 2 years ago (like I said, I really need to find
the time for this project!).  Since those stores can't order anything and
they get what they get it was luck that I found the bolt.
Traci
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Betsy Marshall <
be...@softwareinnovation.com> wrote:

> I'll second that request! Please, please...(Arlington TX area, but not
> far...)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Elena House
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:57 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Traci  wrote:
> > I found my velvet at a small private store (not a chain and not online)
> in
> > the fabric district near me (Dallas)
>
> As someone who has tons of family in and around Dallas, I'd like very
> much to know more about this small private store...
>
> -E House
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-17 Thread Betsy Marshall
I'll second that request! Please, please...(Arlington TX area, but not
far...)

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Behalf Of Elena House
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:57 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Traci  wrote:
> I found my velvet at a small private store (not a chain and not online) in
> the fabric district near me (Dallas)

As someone who has tons of family in and around Dallas, I'd like very
much to know more about this small private store...

-E House
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Elena House
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Traci  wrote:
> I found my velvet at a small private store (not a chain and not online) in
> the fabric district near me (Dallas)

As someone who has tons of family in and around Dallas, I'd like very
much to know more about this small private store...

-E House
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Lavolta Press



I have a front load washer so no washer dyeing for me.


That's why I always have a top-loading one.



Feel free to purchase from them if you want.  I was just sharing my
experience.


I emailed to ask how much they'd charge for undyed velvet. What did they 
charge you per yard?


If you get anything dyed in future:  My advice is go to the hardware 
store, get two copies of a paint chip in the desired color, send them 
one, and keep the other. Tell them the dye job has to closely match the 
paint chip, and you'll only pay half down before they start work and the 
other half after you accept the job. Reserve the right to get them to 
redo the job if it does not match the paint chip closely enough. Have 
them send a swatch of the dyed velvet before they send the whole thing. 
If it's not close enough to the paint chip, have them redo it and send 
you another swatch. Put all this in a contract both of you sign before 
you pay them anything.


Otherwise, you will probably not get exactly what you want, they'll 
refuse you a refund, you'll think they're "rude," and everyone will be 
dissatisfied.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Traci
I found my velvet at a small private store (not a chain and not online) in
the fabric district near me (Dallas); of course I came across it when
looking for something else.  ;)

I have a front load washer so no washer dyeing for me.

Feel free to purchase from them if you want.  I was just sharing my
experience.

Traci
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

>
>
> On 1/16/2010 5:41 PM, Traci wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately I don't have the ability to dye the large amount of silk
>> velvet that I needed (15+ yards); I was willing to pay for the service
>> they
>> claimed to offer to get the exact shade I needed.  Lucky for me I have
>> since
>> found the red silk velvet that I needed; now I just have to find the time
>> to
>> work on the project!  ;)
>>
>
> Where?  It's not like it's easy to find 100% silk velvet. I'd be happy to
> buy from them and just do the dye job in my washer.
>
> Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Lavolta Press



On 1/16/2010 5:41 PM, Traci wrote:

Unfortunately I don't have the ability to dye the large amount of silk
velvet that I needed (15+ yards); I was willing to pay for the service they
claimed to offer to get the exact shade I needed.  Lucky for me I have since
found the red silk velvet that I needed; now I just have to find the time to
work on the project!  ;)


Where?  It's not like it's easy to find 100% silk velvet. I'd be happy 
to buy from them and just do the dye job in my washer.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Traci
Unfortunately I don't have the ability to dye the large amount of silk
velvet that I needed (15+ yards); I was willing to pay for the service they
claimed to offer to get the exact shade I needed.  Lucky for me I have since
found the red silk velvet that I needed; now I just have to find the time to
work on the project!  ;)

I wouldn't patronize any company with such poor customer service as they
showed me.

Traci

On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Lavolta Press wrote:

> If they will sell it to you white so you can dye it yourself, I have no
> problem with doing that.
>
> Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Silk velvet

2010-01-16 Thread Lavolta Press
If they will sell it to you white so you can dye it yourself, I have no 
problem with doing that.


Fran
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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet Seller in the U. S.

2009-01-19 Thread Sunshine . K . Buchler
> My spy has reported back that she spoke with the very helpful Silk 
> Baron, who said that the silks were in fact silk pile and rayon 
> ground. As I have not heard it this way round, I assume that in fact 
> they are a silk ground with a rayon pile, the same as is available in 
> England. 

No really, based on my bleach-test they ARE silk pile and rayon backing. 
There weren't enough rayon strands left in the bleach for them to have 
been the pile - and they were long strands, not the short pile strands.
-sunny
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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-15 Thread Lavolta Press
The Silk Trading Company store in San Francisco at least used to have a 
100% silk velvet, which I've seen and I believe their label. However, it 
was a heavy upholstery weight--if you used it for clothes, it would 
weigh like a brick.


Fran
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Suzi Clarke wrote:

At 19:28 15/01/2009, you wrote:
Well, I am really interested if you succeed to get a 100% silk velvet. 





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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-15 Thread Suzi Clarke

At 19:28 15/01/2009, you wrote:
Well, I am really interested if you succeed to get a 100% silk 
velvet. Me and my sister import silk fabrics from China to EU and we 
visited several factories that were specialized in making silk 
velvets, but they told us they only do rayon pile and silk backing, 
no matter what amount of meters you offer.
Another interesting issue is that if you don't buy directly from a 
factory, the dealer are able to tell you anything - they claim a 
polyester to be silk and so on. So if you're not very skilled at 
recognizing silk, you may be cheated. And maybe...some companies 
don't realize or realize too late. So, beware. We always check our 
fabrics for weight and silk percentage.


Zuzana


Thanks - you pretty much confirm what I suspected, but I'll wait for 
the final report from my "spy" on the specific seller.


Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-15 Thread Zuzana Kraemerova
Well, I am really interested if you succeed to get a 100% silk velvet. Me and 
my sister import silk fabrics from China to EU and we visited several factories 
that were specialized in making silk velvets, but they told us they only do 
rayon pile and silk backing, no matter what amount of meters you offer. 
Another interesting issue is that if you don't buy directly from a factory, the 
dealer are able to tell you anything - they claim a polyester to be silk and so 
on. So if you're not very skilled at recognizing silk, you may be cheated. And 
maybe...some companies don't realize or realize too late. So, beware. We always 
check our fabrics for weight and silk percentage.

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Melanie Schuessler

Interesting!

Thanks,
Melanie


On Jan 14, 2009, at 10:15 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote:


I used it interlined with broadcloth for a 1625 doublet.  It's a  
medium weight, but it's got a lot of body.


Carmen
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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Carmen Beaudry


On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote:

I've dealt with them for silk dupioni and taffeta.  Their prices  are 
excellent, and so is their shipping and customer service.


What weight is the taffeta?  Is it lining weight, or is it the  heavier 
sort?


Thanks,
Melanie Schuessler


I used it interlined with broadcloth for a 1625 doublet.  It's a medium 
weight, but it's got a lot of body.


Carmen 


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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Melanie Schuessler


On Jan 14, 2009, at 1:31 PM, Carmen Beaudry wrote:

I've dealt with them for silk dupioni and taffeta.  Their prices  
are excellent, and so is their shipping and customer service.


What weight is the taffeta?  Is it lining weight, or is it the  
heavier sort?


Thanks,
Melanie Schuessler
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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Carmen Beaudry



I haven't had a reason to order the velvet yet,
but I've looked at it.  I'd email them and ask about it, I've always gotten 
a quick response from them.


Thanks - I have a U.S. spy working on that aspect
for me already - so much easier than doing it myself!!

Suzi

Let me know what they find out.  I've got a couple of projects the velvet 
would work for.


Carmen

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Suzi Clarke

At 19:16 14/01/2009, you wrote:

Dupion and Taffeta I can get here, at prices that
are higher, but don't involve shipping from the
U.S. and the resultant customs duty on goods over
£25.00. I can also get silk/rayon velvet at a
similar price, but 100% silk is way more expensive which is why I was asking.

Suzi

I haven't had a reason to order the velvet yet, 
but I've looked at it.  I'd email them and ask 
about it, I've always gotten a quick response from them.


Thanks - I have a U.S. spy working on that aspect 
for me already - so much easier than doing it myself!!


Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Carmen Beaudry

Dupion and Taffeta I can get here, at prices that
are higher, but don't involve shipping from the
U.S. and the resultant customs duty on goods over
£25.00. I can also get silk/rayon velvet at a
similar price, but 100% silk is way more expensive which is why I was 
asking.


Suzi

I haven't had a reason to order the velvet yet, but I've looked at it.  I'd 
email them and ask about it, I've always gotten a quick response from them.


Carmen

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Sunshine . K . Buchler
> Has anyone dealt with this company? I am told I can get 100% silk velvet 
here.
> http://www.silkbaron.com/silk/

Hi Suzi!

I've bought from them. My bleach test suggests that it's not 100% silk - 
that the PILE is silk while the backing is not (which is the reverse of 
most silk-velvets one can buy at "reasonable" prices). I still bought my 
fabric from them, and they were very nice about it all, and the fabric 
arrived quickly. (It ships from LA, so I can't comment on the speed it 
gets across the Atlantic). I recommend ordering swatches, the colors on my 
monitor didn't look much like the in-person colors.
-sunny


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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Suzi Clarke

At 18:31 14/01/2009, you wrote:
I've dealt with them for silk dupioni and 
taffeta.  Their prices are excellent, and so is 
their shipping and customer service.



Dupion and Taffeta I can get here, at prices that 
are higher, but don't involve shipping from the 
U.S. and the resultant customs duty on goods over 
£25.00. I can also get silk/rayon velvet at a 
similar price, but 100% silk is way more expensive which is why I was asking.


Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?

2009-01-14 Thread Carmen Beaudry
I've dealt with them for silk dupioni and taffeta.  Their prices are 
excellent, and so is their shipping and customer service.


Carmen
- Original Message - 
From: "Suzi Clarke" 

To: "Historical Costume" 
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:06 AM
Subject: [h-cost] Silk Velvet seller in U.S.?





Has anyone dealt with this company? I am told I can get 100% silk velvet 
here.


http://www.silkbaron.com/silk/

Suzi

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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-09 Thread Kimiko Small

At 02:28 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote:
Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone 
here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk 
velvet for only $19 per yard.


Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests 
support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself.

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Hi Kate and all,

I ordered a few samples of their "silk velvet", which arrived yesterday. 
Just as I suspected, the bleach test has shown that the velvet has a silk 
backing, and a non-silk pile. Lots of short nubbies left floating in the 
baby jar of bleach. I did not do a burn test.


And the samples did not look encouraging as to the quality of silk blend 
velvet, it was very short, had sticky stuff on the backs of some samples, 
and rather stiffer than I recall my other samples of silk/rayon velvet, but 
I haven't hunted those down yet to compare directly.


Kimiko


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Re: [h-cost] Silk Velvet

2006-05-09 Thread Joan Jurancich

At 05:49 AM 5/9/2006, you wrote:

Whoo, I nearly missed this one

I have already offered at another list, where it 
came up, to have a look at that particular 
velvet from Distinctive Fabrics under the 
microscope, cause that's what I do with all my 
so called "silk velvets". The problem with burn 
testing is that rayon is sometimes hard to 
differentiate by smell and behaviour, but a 
bleach test will normally tell you straight away 
if it's rayon or silk. Under the microscope, you 
will see the striations of the silk (irregular, 
with small bits of sericin on the fibres) and 
you can compare them to rayon striations (which 
are very regular, seeing that it's pressed 
through a nozzle when the fibre is created, and 
no sericin of course). There is also a 
difference in thickness of an individal rayon fibre and a silk filament.


The only place so far that I have been able to 
find easily obtainable 100% silk velvet is in 
Germany, a place called "Gewand und Tand" (very 
loosely translated: Garb and stuff). They sell 
white silk velvet, 140cm wide for ~€59 
(~US$70)/m, and I've analysed the fibre content 
under the microscope, it's the real deal! The 
one from the Silk trading company is indeed very 
heavy, but only the pile is silk, since they 
need their fabrics for upholstery and make the 
backing out of tough man-made fibres for that purpose.


Since I don't do later periods (as in 17th 
century upwards) I can't speak for those 
velvets, but some early velvets (14th, 15th 
century) in the V&A in London show a very low 
pile and beautiful sheen and that's even in a 
sample that has three different heights of cut 
and uncut velvet. The silk velvet from Germany 
has a low pile, but a wonderful sheen, which is 
nothing like the rayon pile. I got several 
samples to compare and I took it to the V&A as 
well and it really looks the part... the only 
difference is that the original textiles have a 
pattern woven in different colours but I'm 
working on at least getting a two height cut 
pattern working even if the fabric will be one 
colour only. It's not too heavy,  but with a 
nice lining, it drapes wonderfully.


Hope this helps, if anyone is interested in the 
German source, I can post the link.


Cheers,

Caithlinn


I just received a sample of the black 'silk 
velvet' from Distinctive Fabrics.  I will try the 
bleach test on it and report back.



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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread E House
- Original Message - 
From: "Catherine Olanich Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet.  There's a 
high-end

upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it.  I
haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't
come cheap.



There's also linen velvet--beeyootiful.

-E House

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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Lavolta Press
The Silk Trading company in San Francisco sometimes has 100% silk 
velvet, but it is heavy upholstery weight and very expensive.


Fran
Lavolta Press
http://www.lavoltapress.com




For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet.  There's a high-end 
upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it.  I 
haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't 
come cheap.



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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Catherine Olanich Raymond
On Thursday 04 May 2006 7:39 pm, michaela wrote:
> > >Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to
> > >say--I'm not thrilled with it.  It doesn't look or feel very
> > >luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all.
>
> The silk velvet I handled from the 1880s has a very short pile as well. In
> fact it looked and felt just like a good quality cotton velveteen (washed
> and dried to soften.) I couldn't tell which direction the pile ran in the
> sample though as it was made up into a cap.
> I saw a documentary about Shakespeare at the same time and a bolt of
> crimson silk velvet was rolled on a table which again was low sheen, fairly
> stiff to the hand and again looked like a good quality velveteen on screen.
> They were showing fabric because Shakespeare got a certain amount of red
> fabric as did other people for some purpose (James' Coronation I think)
> they were showing what the various fabrics could have been, they thought it
> likely he got wool though rather than the silk velvet.
>
> Needless to say I prefer velveteen I can get to the "silk" velvet I can get
> for dress before the early 20thC.

For what it's worth, it is possible to find *wool* velvet.  There's a high-end 
upholstery fabric dealer on Ebay called Carolina Fabrics that sells it.  I 
haven't ordered any, so I don't know what its hand is like, but it doesn't 
come cheap.

-- 
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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread E House
- Original Message - 
From: "Suzi Clarke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my 
silk/viscose piece for fun.


Cut a swatch of the fabric in question, and put it in a small, covered 
container with enough bleach to cover the fabric.  Leave it for a few hours, 
or up to a day or two.  Any protein content will dissolve in bleach, leaving 
behind whatever, if anything, was blended with it.  A couple of caveats: 
first, use relatively new bleach, as it looses its efficacy surprisingly 
fast; second, bleach, like everything else under the sun, has been linked 
with cancer.


-E House

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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread A & J Garden

Has anyone purchased from Anjorian silks? I like their colours.
http://www.anjooriansilks.com/silk-velvet.html
Aylwen

E House wrote:

I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if I 
still have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test.


Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to 
say--I'm not thrilled with it.  It doesn't look or feel very 
luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm 
kind of hoping that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, 
because I've been hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if 
that's what it's like... sigh.  If my swatch isn't the 100% silk 
velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it.


-E House
(hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt if 
I have to!)

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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Lavolta Press
Speaking as someone who owns quite a number of original silk velvet 
garments from the 19th and early 20th centuries:


The length of the pile, and the drape of the velvet, have nothing to do 
with the fiber content.


The modern silk/rayon velvets currently popular for "burnout" designs 
have the same drape as, and don't look too different from, the silk 
"chiffon velvets" often used in the 1920s.


Victorian velvets tend to be heavier. There is a type of (usually brown) 
silk velvet, or silk plush, which was heavily used to imitate sealskin 
for outer garments. It has a distinctly longer pile than chiffon velvet, 
and is much heavier in weight (and warmer). It is quite an attractive 
and plausible fake fur.


A somewhat lighter and shorter-piled silk velvet was made in any number 
of colors for non-"sealskin" outer garments. It was also woven in 
designs onto silk satin backgrounds for the same purposes.


Victorian dress velvets were shorter piled, closer to what we think of 
as a velveteen length, and somewhat lighter. Still, for a style with a 
lot of yardage, garments made from them can be quite heavy and hot.


Although rayon does not have to be shiny, modern rayon velvets tend to 
be very shiny, excessively so for my taste. Silk velvet has a mild 
sheen, considerably less than the modern 100% rayon, and only slightly 
more than a good modern cotton velvet. The latter is a better 
approximation of a Victorian velvet than most rayon velvets.


Fran
Lavolta Press Books on Historic Costuming and Vintage Clothing
http://www.lavoltapress.com



It doesn't look or feel very luxurious,
has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm kind of hoping 
that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, because I've been 
hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if that's what it's 
like... sigh.  If my swatch isn't the 100% silk velvet, I'll order a 
swatch of this stuff and test it.


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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Kimiko Small

At 04:00 PM 5/4/2006, you wrote:
Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com Their 
silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00


Gwen



If you look at the fiber content listed online, it is usually 18% silk, 82% 
rayon. Their "Long Pile/Flat Velvet, 50" " is 20%/80%.


If they carry 100% silk velvet, I haven't seen it yet.

As to the other store carrying 100% silk, I am willing to order a swatch, 
and submit it to a burn *and* bleach test, and see what happens. I'm 
looking for fabrics for my next project anyway.


Kimiko

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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread E House
Thai Silks doesn't claim to have the 100% stuff, though--they've got the 
standard silk/rayon blend.  Neat iridescent velvet, though.


-E House


- Original Message - 
From: "Gwen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com  Their 
silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00


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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread michaela
> >Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to
> >say--I'm not thrilled with it.  It doesn't look or feel very
> >luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all.

The silk velvet I handled from the 1880s has a very short pile as well. In
fact it looked and felt just like a good quality cotton velveteen (washed
and dried to soften.) I couldn't tell which direction the pile ran in the
sample though as it was made up into a cap.
I saw a documentary about Shakespeare at the same time and a bolt of crimson
silk velvet was rolled on a table which again was low sheen, fairly stiff to
the hand and again looked like a good quality velveteen on screen.
They were showing fabric because Shakespeare got a certain amount of red
fabric as did other people for some purpose (James' Coronation I think) they
were showing what the various fabrics could have been, they thought it
likely he got wool though rather than the silk velvet.

Needless to say I prefer velveteen I can get to the "silk" velvet I can get
for dress before the early 20thC.

> I haven't found a source of 100% silk velvet in England that I can
> afford. What sells as silk velvet here has a rayon or viscose pile,
> and a 18% silk ground. It burns like 100% silk, and looks like it,
> but it is rather limp, without the body that silk velvet from earlier
> times has.

That's what the vast majority of what is sold actually is all around the
world. If you can make burnout patterns, it's not pure silk. In fact the
pile is a cellulose fibre.1

> Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my
> silk/viscose piece for fun.

Just put a small piece in straight bleach. The silk will totally dissolve,
the cellulose fibres will remain. At least after the first few hours. It'll
break down eventually.

Michaela de Bruce
http://costumes.glittersweet.com



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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Suzi Clarke

At 00:05 05/05/2006, you wrote:
I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if 
I still have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test.


Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to 
say--I'm not thrilled with it.  It doesn't look or feel very 
luxurious, has a short pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm 
kind of hoping that I have a swatch of a different velvet from them, 
because I've been hoping for a nice silk velvet for a while and if 
that's what it's like... sigh.  If my swatch isn't the 100% silk 
velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it.


-E House
(hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt 
if I have to!)



I haven't found a source of 100% silk velvet in England that I can 
afford. What sells as silk velvet here has a rayon or viscose pile, 
and a 18% silk ground. It burns like 100% silk, and looks like it, 
but it is rather limp, without the body that silk velvet from earlier 
times has.


Could you remind me of the bleach test, as I would like to test my 
silk/viscose piece for fun.


Suzi


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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread E House
I _think_ I have a sample of this somewhere already--If I do, and if I still 
have some bleach around, I'll do a bleach test.


Although, even if what I've got is actually 100% silk, I have to say--I'm 
not thrilled with it.  It doesn't look or feel very luxurious, has a short 
pile, and doesn't have much sheen at all. I'm kind of hoping that I have a 
swatch of a different velvet from them, because I've been hoping for a nice 
silk velvet for a while and if that's what it's like... sigh.  If my swatch 
isn't the 100% silk velvet, I'll order a swatch of this stuff and test it.


-E House
(hasn't had to actually _pay_ for fabric in a long time--it'll hurt if I 
have to!) 


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Re: [h-cost] silk velvet!

2006-05-04 Thread Gwen
Another place that has silk velvet is thai silks - www.thaisilks.com  Their 
silk velvets are between 16.00 and 27.00

Gwen
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ailith Mackintosh 
  To: Historical Costume 
  Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 17:28
  Subject: [h-cost] silk velvet!


  Late last night I was surfing the net and clicked on a link that someone 
  here supplied for Distinctive Fabric. Much to my surprise they list silk 
  velvet for only $19 per yard.

  Being just a tad skeptical (only $19/yard *and* a 100% silk??!!), I emailed 
  them. This is the response I received:

  - Original Message - 
  From: "Distinctive Fabric" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 12:46 PM
  Subject: Re: Web inquiry (General inquiry)


  > Yes it's a 100% silk, our suppliers claim it to be and our burn tests 
  > support their claim. Feel free to order samples to judge for yourself.
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  > 877-721-7269
  > http://www.distinctivefabric.com

  They've got a nice palette of colors in their special order page:
  
http://www.distinctivefabric.com/fabric.php?product=SILKVELVET1&palette=special_order&expand=1

  Special order colors require a minimum 5 yard cut.

  With regards,
  kate



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