RE: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-16 Thread Lorelei Halley 
Joseph
I have collected some links which might be useful to you.
http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/filetlacis 
Lorelei Halley

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Subject: Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20
The thread is used in a few old Filet Lacis books. I want to use it to make 
netting and then embroider on it to make "filet lace". I just bought a shuttle 
and gauge set, so now I need to find out what thread I need to use.
Joseph

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-16 Thread Joseph Young 
The thread is used in a few old Filet Lacis books. I want to use it to 
make netting and then embroider on it to make "filet lace". I just 
bought a shuttle and gauge set, so now I need to find out what thread I 
need to use.


Joseph



> It depends what sort of lace you are planning to make.  If it’s Torchon then
> 12 wraps of the thread should fit between two foot-edge pinholes.  If it’s a
> point ground it’s 10 wraps.  The wraps should be close together but not
> overlapping.  For Bedfordshire or any braid lace then it’s a combination of
> experience and experiment.
>
> Brenda

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-15 Thread Brenda Paternoster 
It depends what sort of lace you are planning to make.  If it’s Torchon then
12 wraps of the thread should fit between two foot-edge pinholes.  If it’s a
point ground it’s 10 wraps.  The wraps should be close together but not
overlapping.  For Bedfordshire or any braid lace then it’s a combination of
experience and experiment.

Brenda
>
> I'd experiment on a photocopy, and possibly adjust the size of the pattern
if I didn't like the result with the thread, rather than change the thread. I
suspect Brenda may have a more scientific suggestion!

Brenda in Allhallows

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Bev Walker 
Another tidbit  found doing a quick search in images per Walter Evans & Co.
(there weren't many), on a big carton label,  it was also known by its
trademark as Boar's Head Cotton Manufactory; Walter Evans & Co., Derby,.
Superior Crochet and Machine Cotton. In Soft and Patent Glacé .
With this in mind, I'm more certain that the specified thread was cotton.
Here is the link to the image:
http://threadwinder.info/hist/law/BoarsHeadSign.jpg

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Bev Walker  wrote:

> PS - I'm not 100% sure it was cotton; could have been linen, if used on
> linen net.
>
> --
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread ashaak 
Hi Everybody:

Ops! I meant to say DMC cotton floche, not coton a broder.

Adele

> if I were doing that
> today I would substitute pearl cotton, although it could have been a matte
> soft cotton like DMC’s coton a broder.

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Brenda Paternoster 
My guess is that you are probably looking at a 2 ply cotton thread.


IF it was cotton and 2-ply then in theory at least it would compare with coton
perle/pearl cotton

All the different brands of perle are fairly similar in thickness for each
size.
DMC, Mez and Madeira come/came as thick as size 3, all of which I’ve
measured as 2S-8 w/cm.

The finest pearl cottons are generally size 12 and measure 2S-21 w/cm.
Presencia Finca Perle size 16 = 2S-23w/cm

DMC Retors D’Alsace used to come in skeins;  size 16 = 2S-23 w/cm and size
16= 2S/25 w/cm
DMC Broder Machine (Retors or Brilliante) size 20 = 2Z-28w/cm
Madeira Tanne size 20 = 2Z-25w/cm

Note that Broder machine and Tanne are Z twisted because they are intended for
machine embroidery.
Most hand sewing threads are S twisted, which on the whole suits right handed
embroiderers/stitchers, and years ago it was considered a sin not to be right
handed.
>
> The thread
> used was known as Mecklenburg thread and the best quality was made by the
> firm of Walter Evans & Co. of Derby. The Mecklenburg thread came in eight
> grades,  known as 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 20, No. 2 being the coarsest
> and No. 20 the finest."

Brenda in Allhallows

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Adele Shaak 
I found Mrs. Beeton’s book online, and found directions for using
Mecklenburg thread along with embroidery cotton to do cutwork, so they must
have been two different things.

Judging from the way they used the thread in the pattern, if I were doing that
today I would substitute pearl cotton, although it could have been a matte
soft cotton like DMC’s coton a broder. You can see the pattern here:
https://tinyurl.com/yb9aq2uf 

Adele
West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> used was known as Mecklenburg thread and the best quality was made by the
> firm of Walter Evans & Co. of Derby. The Mecklenburg thread came in eight
> grades,  known as 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 20, No. 2 being the coarsest
> and No. 20 the finest."
> So, an embroidery cotton at least.
>

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Bev Walker 
PS - I'm not 100% sure it was cotton; could have been linen, if used on
linen net.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 10:42 AM, I wrote:

> So, an embroidery cotton at least.
>
>
Bev

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Bev Walker 
Hello Joseph and everyone

I googled, Mecklenburg thread No. 20, and found this quote from 'Victorian
Embroidery, An Authoritative Guide' by Barbara J. Morris, 2003.
"...In nineteenth-century England, guipure d'art was worked in raised and
intersected patterns darned on a square network of linen thread. The thread
used was known as Mecklenburg thread and the best quality was made by the
firm of Walter Evans & Co. of Derby. The Mecklenburg thread came in eight
grades,  known as 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 16 and 20, No. 2 being the coarsest
and No. 20 the finest."
So, an embroidery cotton at least.
If you can print a pattern known to require this size thread, and try
different threads that you do have on it, could help decide an equivalent?


On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 10:32 PM, Joseph Young <
graceadlerdesi...@outlook.com> wrote:

>
> I am looking for an equivalent for this thread, Walter Evans and Co.'s
> Mecklenburg thread No. 20. It is mentioned in many old books I have read
> online. I would love a WPC equivalent if possible. I would love to know
> what type of thread it is too, like a mercerized or glazed cotton.
>

Hope this helps.
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful cool Vancouver Island, west
coast of Canada

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Re: [lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-13 Thread Brenda Paternoster 
The book is currently out of print, and for all sorts of reasons it’s been
that way for a while.  Once all our building work is finished I will get down
to doing the next edition.
If Jopie has a spare copy, grab it!

Re the Mecklenburg thread; I haven’t seen any, so that’s why it’s not
listed.  If anyone has a sample of it (or any other unlisted thread) which
they are willing to send a yard or two to me I will happily measure it, add it
to the latest Addendum list and include it in the next edition.

Brenda

>
> The book is called;- Threads for Lace (6th Edition), subtitle;- A survey
and
> comparison of 1800 Lacemaking and other threads by Brenda Paternoster.
There
> is no IBSN as the book is self published. Have a look at;-
> http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/threads/add5.html   Also, Brenda
herself
> is very approachable.
>
> If you cannot get a copy locally or directly from Brenda, I have a couple
for
> sale still (the book is only ï½£10.50 plus whatever the postage is) as not
all
>

Brenda in Allhallows

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[lace] Walter Evans and Co.'s Mecklenburg thread No. 20

2017-12-12 Thread Joseph Young 
Hi all in the arachne web.

I am looking for an equivalent for this thread, Walter Evans and Co.'s 
Mecklenburg thread No. 20. It is mentioned in many old books I have read 
online. I would love a WPC equivalent if possible. I would love to know what 
type of thread it is too, like a mercerized or glazed cotton.

Regards,  Joseph

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