Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing - Part 2

[Ali Linx]

Hello Julien and Everyone,

- When you select a partition, you need to affect all the space of this
> partition. If you want affect less, you need to resize the partition, or
> split the partition.


What I was trying to explain is: when I did that test, the installer did NOT
allow me to do ANYTHING except allocating the whole space for my HDD to one
partition which is sda1. I couldn't even change the size or anything else.
It happened "only" when installing from LiveCD. With LiveUSB, everything was
fine when it comes to partitioning.

Usually, I use GParted to create the partitions I need then install but
because that was a test, I created my partitions purposely during the
installation to see whether I'll get some errors or not and indeed I got
this one.


I also had this recently, but it seems to be gone with the last ISO. You can
> report a bug against ubiquity is you see it with a recent daily build :
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/


Indeed, */dev/zram0 *is gone with the latest iso.


It's because a new version of ubiquity is available. If you use a recent
> daily build, it should not appear.


If I'm not wrong, it appeared again. I have installed 11.10 (07102011) twice
and I saw that on the 2nd one. Not 100% sure though.


Yes it's normal, we removed it (XChat) in this cycle. But you can install it
> after the installation.


Yes, I know I can do that after the installation but why to remove it on the
first place? :) just curious.


You need to update your system before sending automatic bug reports.


Well, even after I update my system, I still can't send reports. However, I
noticed that the PCManFM crashes are less now. When I first reported it, I
had like 5-6 crashes in less than 1 hour.


Please run LSC in a terminal and paste the output to a bug report.


Now LSC has new version with GTK3 with new problem and less crashes. I have
sent all the needed info to Stefano :)
I also have some notes regarding LSC but I'll wait until the final release
then will shot :D


Thanks!

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

>  Le 09/28/2011 10:10 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
>
> ***3- Installation > Something else >> I'm installing on a wiped HDD with
> 18.6GB un-allocated space >> no matter what custom size I choose for root
> (/) partition, the install allocate the whole space to that partition (sda1)
> and I can't do anything about it. Definitely a bug but I'm not sure whether
> I can re-produce it or not?
>
> - I choose 4GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
> - I choose 10GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
> - I even tried to adjust the size after that but it did not allow me to
> change it
>
> When you select a partition, you need to affect all the space of this
> partition. If you want affect less, you need to resize the partition, or
> split the partition.
>
>
>
>  On the partition screen, there is two devices:
> - /dev/sda
> - /dev/zram0
>
>  I have never seen that before so what is "/dev/zram0" ???
>
> I also had this recently, but it seems to be gone with the last ISO. You
> can report a bug against ubiquity is you see it with a recent daily build :
> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/
>
>
>
>  2- First Step in the installation (Choosing the Language) > *You may wish
> to update this installer* > Click on it >  Message disappeared.
>
>  I don't remember I have seen that before. It happened on that PC not on
> my other PC. The message is a link when you click it, it's gone.
>
>  I have no idea what is that?
>
> It's because a new version of ubiquity is available. If you use a recent
> daily build, it should not appear.
>
>
>
>  1- XChat is not installed by default, unlike Lubuntu 11.04.
>
> Yes it's normal, we removed it in this cycle. But you can install it after
> the installation.
>
>
>  3- I installed LSC on PC2 where I did Test No.2 and I can see the Search
> Box is active and the interface of LSC is a bit different now. However, I
> got many Crash Report and Screenshots will be included.
>
> Please run LSC in a terminal and paste the output to a bug report.
>
>
>  4- PCManFM keeps Crashing even on both PCs. Crash Report could NOT be
> sent again. Screenshots will be included.
>
> You need to update your system before sending automatic bug reports.
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>
>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Julien Lavergne]

Le 10/07/2011 10:08 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
> *ubuntu-bug network-manager-applet*
> In LXTerminal > it gives a pop up error msg > Package
> network-manager-applet does not exist.
>
> Please advice!
Oops, it's network-manager-gnome.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

Hi Julien and everyone,

So sorry for the late reply.

No, but it seems that ubiquity is not so strict about the space available.
> But it's still a bug, see : http://pad.lv/819538
>

Hmmm, don't know yet how the installer do that but as long as it worked,
it's ok, I won't nag about it :)


Ah, probably because you have a webcam, and my system doesn't.
>

Yes, it happened that my Cam was connected to my PC. However, my point was
and still is: there is no point of that step anyway because the purpose of
taking a picture is to use it later after the user finishes the installation
and that never happened. I mean, after I'm done with installation, I can't
see the picture I took anywhere so what's the point of that?
Do you think it might work with Ubuntu because it uses GDM while Lubuntu
uses LXDM?


No, a package available in official repository, but not installed by
> default.
>

That's really great.
So, will you guys remove the extra themes and stuff? or everything will
remain the same?
If it's still possible to do that at the moment, I would vote to remove the
extra themes and give the user all the ability to install it after that from
the repo. Just my opinion :)


Probably this bug :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/818869
>

Preciously. Indeed "lxpanel - 0.5.8-1ubuntu3" is working correctly.
Thanks!


Just run "ubuntu-bug network-manager-applet"
>

*ubuntu-bug network-manager-applet*
In LXTerminal > it gives a pop up error msg > Package network-manager-applet
does not exist.

Please advice!

When I tried to report that, nothing happened. Seemed to me the Report can't
> be sent. Please advice!
> Shall I include a screenshot next time?
>

There you go :)

http://i51.tinypic.com/14nhdm8.jpg
http://i51.tinypic.com/2ekq544.jpg

This is what I get when I report the problem with File Manager.

http://i54.tinypic.com/2r44qpt.jpg
This is what I get when I report LSC.


That's all for now :)


On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

>  Le 09/28/2011 07:05 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
>
> What I was trying to say is I did not get an error message or the installer
> didn't crash even though the partition where I was trying to install Lubuntu
> 11.10 beta 2 on is less than 4GB.
> I have done another installation on another PC with less space (3.5GB) and
> again nothing wrong happened.
> Does that mean the problem is fixed? or it happened from time to time?
>
>  Also, does the installer calculate the total HDD Size and based on that
> it decides whether the Disc Space is not enough or not? just to make sure
> what I'm thinking about is correct.
>
> No, but it seems that ubiquity is not so strict about the space available.
> But it's still a bug, see : http://pad.lv/819538
>
>
>  "Choose a Picture" Step appears right after the partitions screen but
> I'll double check and confirm where exactly it appears.
> But, is it a bug or something? it shouldn't show up, right?
>
> Ah, probably because you have a webcam, and my system doesn't.
>
>
>   7- We plan to add more artwork, but not by default. It should be a
>> package available which have more artwork for Lubuntu.
>
>
>  PPA you mean? that would be great and better IMHO :)
> Lubuntu really needs lots of these stuff. I was trying to write some guides
> about that but I'll wait until 11.10 be released and will have 6 months to
> write guides as much as possible :)
>
> No, a package available in official repository, but not installed by
> default.
>
>
>
>  *8- I'd like to report a new problem with the Menu:*
> I installed "Cairo-Dock" and I wanted to move LXPanel to the top of the
> screen. I done that. While I was trying to open the menu, I got the
> following *screenshot 
> 
> .*
> I repeated the same with the other PC without installing Cairo-Doc, I just
> moved the LXPanel to the top of the screen and the same issue happened
> again.
> Menu is totally blank as you can see and you can't do anything unless you
> moved it back to the bottom.
> Please note that I haven't tried to "restart" the LXPanel.
> Please advice!
>
> Probably this bug :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/818869
>
>
>
>  9- Yes please, I'm sure the network-manager will have a look at it if you
>> document it like this :)
>
>
>  I'm sorry but where do I have to report that? here
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop ???
>
>   Just run "ubuntu-bug network-manager-applet"
>
>
>   13- Yes, it should collect all the information we need.
>
>
>  When I tried to report that, nothing happened. Seemed to me the Report
> can't be sent. Please advice!
> Shall I include a screenshot next time?
>
>  Yes please :)
>
> Regards,
> Julien Lavergne
>



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing - Part 2

[Julien Lavergne]

Le 09/28/2011 10:10 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
> ***3- Installation > Something else >> I'm installing on a wiped HDD
> with 18.6GB un-allocated space >> no matter what custom size I choose
> for root (/) partition, the install allocate the whole space to that
> partition (sda1) and I can't do anything about it. Definitely a bug
> but I'm not sure whether I can re-produce it or not?
>
> - I choose 4GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
> - I choose 10GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
> - I even tried to adjust the size after that but it did not allow me
> to change it
When you select a partition, you need to affect all the space of this
partition. If you want affect less, you need to resize the partition, or
split the partition.

>
> On the partition screen, there is two devices: 
> - /dev/sda
> - /dev/zram0 
>
> I have never seen that before so what is "/dev/zram0" ???
I also had this recently, but it seems to be gone with the last ISO. You
can report a bug against ubiquity is you see it with a recent daily
build : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/

>
> 2- First Step in the installation (Choosing the Language) > *You may
> wish to update this installer* > Click on it >  Message disappeared.
>
> I don't remember I have seen that before. It happened on that PC not
> on my other PC. The message is a link when you click it, it's gone.
>
> I have no idea what is that?
It's because a new version of ubiquity is available. If you use a recent
daily build, it should not appear.

>
> 1- XChat is not installed by default, unlike Lubuntu 11.04.
Yes it's normal, we removed it in this cycle. But you can install it
after the installation.

> 3- I installed LSC on PC2 where I did Test No.2 and I can see the
> Search Box is active and the interface of LSC is a bit different now.
> However, I got many Crash Report and Screenshots will be included.
Please run LSC in a terminal and paste the output to a bug report.

> 4- PCManFM keeps Crashing even on both PCs. Crash Report could NOT be
> sent again. Screenshots will be included.
You need to update your system before sending automatic bug reports.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Julien Lavergne]

Le 09/28/2011 07:05 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
> What I was trying to say is I did not get an error message or the
> installer didn't crash even though the partition where I was trying to
> install Lubuntu 11.10 beta 2 on is less than 4GB.
> I have done another installation on another PC with less space (3.5GB)
> and again nothing wrong happened. 
> Does that mean the problem is fixed? or it happened from time to time?
>
> Also, does the installer calculate the total HDD Size and based on
> that it decides whether the Disc Space is not enough or not? just to
> make sure what I'm thinking about is correct.
No, but it seems that ubiquity is not so strict about the space
available. But it's still a bug, see : http://pad.lv/819538

> "Choose a Picture" Step appears right after the partitions screen but
> I'll double check and confirm where exactly it appears.
> But, is it a bug or something? it shouldn't show up, right?
Ah, probably because you have a webcam, and my system doesn't.

> 7- We plan to add more artwork, but not by default. It should be a
> package available which have more artwork for Lubuntu.
>
>
> PPA you mean? that would be great and better IMHO :)
> Lubuntu really needs lots of these stuff. I was trying to write some
> guides about that but I'll wait until 11.10 be released and will have
> 6 months to write guides as much as possible :)
No, a package available in official repository, but not installed by
default.

>
> *8- I'd like to report a new problem with the Menu:*
> I installed "Cairo-Dock" and I wanted to move LXPanel to the top of
> the screen. I done that. While I was trying to open the menu, I got
> the following *screenshot 
> .*
> I repeated the same with the other PC without installing Cairo-Doc, I
> just moved the LXPanel to the top of the screen and the same issue
> happened again.
> Menu is totally blank as you can see and you can't do anything unless
> you moved it back to the bottom.
> Please note that I haven't tried to "restart" the LXPanel.
> Please advice!
Probably this bug :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxpanel/+bug/818869

>
> 9- Yes please, I'm sure the network-manager will have a look at it
> if you document it like this :)
>
>
> I'm sorry but where do I have to report that?
> here https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop
>  ???
>
Just run "ubuntu-bug network-manager-applet"

> 13- Yes, it should collect all the information we need.
>
>
> When I tried to report that, nothing happened. Seemed to me the Report
> can't be sent. Please advice!
> Shall I include a screenshot next time?
>
Yes please :)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing - Part 2

[Ali Linx]

Hello Everyone,

As promised, this is my 2nd Test Notes and I'm so sorry for being late.

---
*Test No.2*
---
PC: P4 3.0GHz - 512GB RAM - *Wiped* 20GB IDE HDD - Radeon Xpress 200* *
BIOS: Phoenix

Media 1: Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 *LiveCD *- 32 bit
Media 2: Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 *LiveUSB* - 32 bit
---

*Please be advised:*
On my 2nd PC (H/W Details above), I can share my RAM with the Graphics
Memory *[Onboard Video Memory Size]* and I have decided to share 256MB which
is the maximum size I can choose from the list. Thus, this test was done on
less than 256MB RAM :D

Also, please note that my CD Drive is making terrible sounds (loud) but it
works until now.
*
*
*
*
*
*
*A- Test From LiveCD*

*Installation Notes:*
1- Try Lubuntu without Installation > CLI > startx > LXDE Desktop - Same
what happened in Test No.1

Reboot done ...

2- Install Ubuntu > Quit > Quit > Lubuntu Desktop

***3- Installation > Something else >> I'm installing on a wiped HDD with
18.6GB un-allocated space >> no matter what custom size I choose for root
(/) partition, the install allocate the whole space to that partition (sda1)
and I can't do anything about it. Definitely a bug but I'm not sure whether
I can re-produce it or not?

- I choose 4GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
- I choose 10GB but it gave the whole space to sda1
- I even tried to adjust the size after that but it did not allow me to
change it

On the partition screen, there is two devices:
- /dev/sda
- /dev/zram0

I have never seen that before so what is "/dev/zram0" ???


4- "Erase Disk and Install" was the only way to install Lubuntu on that
machine.



*B- Test From LiveUSB Creating using UNetbootin*
*
*
*Installation Notes:*
1- Try Lubuntu without installation ... WORKED :)

I have repeated that on my other PC and it worked too. That is telling me
when booting from LiveUSB, "Try Lubuntu without installation" will work but
when booting from LiveCD, it does not. Weird.


2- First Step in the installation (Choosing the Language) > *You may wish to
update this installer* > Click on it >  Message disappeared.

I don't remember I have seen that before. It happened on that PC not on my
other PC. The message is a link when you click it, it's gone.

I have no idea what is that?


3- Installation > Something else > When creating new partition, it did not
give me the previous error and I can create partitions as I want and give
the size I want. I gave sda1 3.5GB only + 512MB for SWAP.

/dev/zram0 was there too.

However, something weird happened which did not happen when I was installing
from LiveCD (*A- Test From LiveCD*). I think the installer needed 30mins or
more just to move to the next step. After creating the partitions, I tried
to go to the next screen but it got stuck. I went to have my lunch and when
I came back, it moved to the next step. That never happened with me before
as far as I can remember.

4- Installation took longer but it's done.

*

Above are the installation notes.

*
*
*>Now, some other notes after installation on this PC and the other one as
well.*

1- XChat is not installed by default, unlike Lubuntu 11.04.

2- I managed to re-produce the same issue with the Menu on both PCs when it
got stuck or frozen (Screenshot will be included).

3- I installed LSC on PC2 where I did Test No.2 and I can see the Search Box
is active and the interface of LSC is a bit different now. However, I got
many Crash Report and Screenshots will be included.

4- PCManFM keeps Crashing even on both PCs. Crash Report could NOT be sent
again. Screenshots will be included.

5- The previous described issue about "Enable Networking" and "Enable
Wireless" is the same on both PCs. I also noticed that if I tick/check both,
reboot, everything back to the previous point which means both options are
un-checked or un-ticked.

6- Today I noticed that every time I reboot my machine and login to Lubuntu,
I got "Authentication required by Wireless Network" pop-up message and I
have to enter the password for my Wireless Router.
I think it's happening from time to time because on the 2nd PC, I didn't get
that message today but I'm sure I got it yesterday.

7- The 2nd PC with less than 256MB is working ok with Lubuntu and as per the
Screenshot (will be included), when the PC is idle, 60MB of the RAM is being
used. However, I had hard time during the installation.

Lubuntu does work with less than 256MB but I guess it needs more during the
installation or else, the installation will be so slow.

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

Hi Gabriel,

You most welcome :)

Then, you need to press Fn+F11 so that your NumLock got activated? then If
I'm not wrong, "numlockx" won't effect you unless you press Fn+F11. So
simply don't :P

I don't see there's a problem but again, it's a matter of personal opinion
and some other people may disagree with me.
After all, it's up to the developers to include this small app :)



On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Gabriel Salles wrote:

> Hello Ali
>
> Thanks for the tip ;)
>
> My netbook is an Aspire One D250. If I press Fn+F11, I turn on the NumLock
> and "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>
> Thanks,
> Gabriel Salles
>
>
> 2011/9/28 Ali Linx 
>
>>
>> Hello Gabriel :)
>>
>> I think you forgot to hit "Reply All" so I was the only one who received
>> your message. I think it's better to hit "Reply All" so everyone on the list
>> can read it.  Never mind :)
>>
>>
>> I don't think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when
>>> NumLock is on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>>
>>
>> Well, on my HP Pavilion DV6, I don't even have Num-Lock. Got another
>> Laptop at home (Toshiba) and same applies to it. Also, we do have Netbook
>> (Samsung 150N Plus) and there is no Num-Lock at all :)
>> What Netbook do you have?
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Ali
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Gabriel Salles 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 8 - I'm using Lubuntu 11.04 and this happens with me sometimes... Like
>>> A.J. said, clicking on the desktop does nothing. So I click on lxpanel and
>>> the menu disappears.
>>>
>>> 11 -
>>> a - From what I read, *numlockx *makes the NumLock on by default. I
>>> don't think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when
>>> NumLock is on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Gabriel Salles
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Gabriel Salles]

Hello Ali

Thanks for the tip ;)

My netbook is an Aspire One D250. If I press Fn+F11, I turn on the NumLock
and "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.

Thanks,
Gabriel Salles


2011/9/28 Ali Linx 

>
> Hello Gabriel :)
>
> I think you forgot to hit "Reply All" so I was the only one who received
> your message. I think it's better to hit "Reply All" so everyone on the list
> can read it.  Never mind :)
>
>
> I don't think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when
>> NumLock is on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>
>
> Well, on my HP Pavilion DV6, I don't even have Num-Lock. Got another Laptop
> at home (Toshiba) and same applies to it. Also, we do have Netbook (Samsung
> 150N Plus) and there is no Num-Lock at all :)
> What Netbook do you have?
>
>
> Thanks!
> Ali
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Gabriel Salles 
> wrote:
>
>> 8 - I'm using Lubuntu 11.04 and this happens with me sometimes... Like
>> A.J. said, clicking on the desktop does nothing. So I click on lxpanel and
>> the menu disappears.
>>
>> 11 -
>> a - From what I read, *numlockx *makes the NumLock on by default. I don't
>> think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when NumLock is
>> on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Gabriel Salles
>>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

Hello Gabriel :)

I think you forgot to hit "Reply All" so I was the only one who received
your message. I think it's better to hit "Reply All" so everyone on the list
can read it.  Never mind :)


I don't think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when
> NumLock is on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.


Well, on my HP Pavilion DV6, I don't even have Num-Lock. Got another Laptop
at home (Toshiba) and same applies to it. Also, we do have Netbook (Samsung
150N Plus) and there is no Num-Lock at all :)
What Netbook do you have?


Thanks!
Ali


On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Gabriel Salles wrote:

> 8 - I'm using Lubuntu 11.04 and this happens with me sometimes... Like A.J.
> said, clicking on the desktop does nothing. So I click on lxpanel and the
> menu disappears.
>
> 11 -
> a - From what I read, *numlockx *makes the NumLock on by default. I don't
> think this is a good idea to Lubuntu. I have a netbook, and when NumLock is
> on, I "lose" the *J,K,L,U,I,O,P *letters.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Gabriel Salles
>



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

Hi Julien,

Hope you are fine and doing well. Thanks again for your reply :)

For LSC, I reported the bug as agreed:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center/+bug/861554

Now, to reply your latest email:


3- Yes, it's a bug : http://pad.lv/819538
> If it's not fixed for the final release, you will have to use the alternate
> ISO if you have less than 4.0 Gb.


What I was trying to say is I did not get an error message or the installer
didn't crash even though the partition where I was trying to install Lubuntu
11.10 beta 2 on is less than 4GB.
I have done another installation on another PC with less space (3.5GB) and
again nothing wrong happened.
Does that mean the problem is fixed? or it happened from time to time?

Also, does the installer calculate the total HDD Size and based on that it
decides whether the Disc Space is not enough or not? just to make sure what
I'm thinking about is correct.


4- Sorry, I mean, where do you find that screen ? In which step of the
> installation did it appear ?


"Choose a Picture" Step appears right after the partitions screen but I'll
double check and confirm where exactly it appears.
But, is it a bug or something? it shouldn't show up, right?


5- Hum, I done many installations, but never having this problem :-/ I'll
> try to do some testing next time I install Lubuntu to see if I can reproduce
> it.
>

I'll try re-install Lubuntu and hope I can re-produce the same error.
Will keep you posted :)


7- We plan to add more artwork, but not by default. It should be a package
> available which have more artwork for Lubuntu.


PPA you mean? that would be great and better IMHO :)
Lubuntu really needs lots of these stuff. I was trying to write some guides
about that but I'll wait until 11.10 be released and will have 6 months to
write guides as much as possible :)


*8- I'd like to report a new problem with the Menu:*
I installed "Cairo-Dock" and I wanted to move LXPanel to the top of the
screen. I done that. While I was trying to open the menu, I got the
following *screenshot

.*
I repeated the same with the other PC without installing Cairo-Doc, I just
moved the LXPanel to the top of the screen and the same issue happened
again.
Menu is totally blank as you can see and you can't do anything unless you
moved it back to the bottom.
Please note that I haven't tried to "restart" the LXPanel.
Please advice!


9- Yes please, I'm sure the network-manager will have a look at it if you
> document it like this :)


I'm sorry but where do I have to report that? here
https://bugs.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop ???



13- Yes, it should collect all the information we need.


When I tried to report that, nothing happened. Seemed to me the Report can't
be sent. Please advice!
Shall I include a screenshot next time?




Thanks a lot,
Ali


On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 12:05 AM, Julien Lavergne  wrote:

>  Le 27/09/2011 10:25, Ali Linx a écrit :
>
>   3- I chose "Something Else" and created a new Partition (sda9) with *
>> 3.91GB* from un-allocated disk space. Please note that I'm Multi-Booting
>> several Distros on this test PC. GRUB was installed into sda9 not MBR (sda).
>> Installation was smooth and errors-free.
>
>
>  Apparently, Lubuntu 11.10 "can" be installed on less than 4GB HDD. I
> think I have read it somewhere that there is an error or bug because the
> installer require more than 4GB. Am I right? just thought to highlight this
> because this is important for those who wants to install Lubuntu on 4GB USB
> Drive.
>
> Yes, it's a bug : http://pad.lv/819538
> If it's not fixed for the final release, you will have to use the alternate
> ISO if you have less than 4.0 Gb.
>
>
>   4- It's currently not supported. How do you find to this screen using
>> the installer ?
>
>
>  If it's not supported, will this feature be included with the final
> release of Lubuntu 11.10?
>
>  Sorry, what do you mean by "How do you find to this screen using the
> installer"???
>
> Sorry, I mean, where do you find that screen ? In which step of the
> installation did it appear ?
>
>
>   5- It should not happen if you don't do anything like plug in a new
>> media. Is it reproducible ? Are you using a USB stick or a live CD ?
>
>
>  I was installing from LiveCD.
> No, I haven't inserted anything. I was so surprised because that was my
> first time I see such message or pop-up window during the installation.
> Reproducible? shall I re-install Lubuntu 11.10? I got it during the
> installation process which has already begun and I'm not quite sure whether
> I'll get it or not. I did not get it on my 2nd and 3rd test on the other PC
> (I'll send an email about it later today hopefully).
>
> Hum, I done many installations, but never having this problem :-/ I'll try
> to do some testing next time I install Lubuntu to see if I can reproduce it.
>
>
>   7- Thanks, we have great artists around here ;-)
>
>
>  Indeed he's great. It 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Julien Lavergne]

Le 27/09/2011 10:25, Ali Linx a écrit :
>
> 3- I chose "Something Else" and created a new Partition (sda9)
> with *_3.91GB_* from un-allocated disk space. Please note that I'm
> Multi-Booting several Distros on this test PC. GRUB was installed
> into sda9 not MBR (sda). Installation was smooth and errors-free.
>
>
> Apparently, Lubuntu 11.10 "can" be installed on less than 4GB HDD. I
> think I have read it somewhere that there is an error or bug because
> the installer require more than 4GB. Am I right? just thought to
> highlight this because this is important for those who wants to
> install Lubuntu on 4GB USB Drive.
Yes, it's a bug : http://pad.lv/819538
If it's not fixed for the final release, you will have to use the
alternate ISO if you have less than 4.0 Gb.

> 4- It's currently not supported. How do you find to this screen
> using the installer ?
>
>
> If it's not supported, will this feature be included with the final
> release of Lubuntu 11.10?
>
> Sorry, what do you mean by "How do you find to this screen using the
> installer"???
Sorry, I mean, where do you find that screen ? In which step of the
installation did it appear ?

> 5- It should not happen if you don't do anything like plug in a
> new media. Is it reproducible ? Are you using a USB stick or a
> live CD ?
>
>
> I was installing from LiveCD.
> No, I haven't inserted anything. I was so surprised because that was
> my first time I see such message or pop-up window during the
> installation. 
> Reproducible? shall I re-install Lubuntu 11.10? I got it during the
> installation process which has already begun and I'm not quite sure
> whether I'll get it or not. I did not get it on my 2nd and 3rd test on
> the other PC (I'll send an email about it later today hopefully).
Hum, I done many installations, but never having this problem :-/ I'll
try to do some testing next time I install Lubuntu to see if I can
reproduce it.

> 7- Thanks, we have great artists around here ;-)
>
>
> Indeed he's great. It would be great too if more wallpapers can be
> added? say total 12 instead of 6 maybe?
We plan to add more artwork, but not by default. It should be a package
available which have more artwork for Lubuntu.

> 9- Seems a bug yes, but only a display bug. Is the network working
> for you ?
>
>
> Yes, on this PC, my Wireless Connection is working and my Wired
> Connection too. I'm connected to the internet via Range Extender
> through Wireless Network. 
>
> I did a simple testing while I'm writing this reply:
> - Right Click on the Connections Icon showed this
> screen: http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8204 
> 
>
> - Ticked "*Enable Networking*" and Ticked "*Enable Wireless*".
> http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8212
> 
>
> - I un-checked/un-ticked "*Enable Networking*" and Ticked "*Enable
> Wireless*". My Networks got disconnected. I Ticked "*Enable
> Networking*" and Ticked "*Enable Wireless*" yet again and connections
> back to work.
>
> So I think you are right. It's a display bug but it's confusing.
>
> Shall I log a bug report?
Yes please, I'm sure the network-manager will have a look at it if you
document it like this :)

> 10 - Thanks, bug reported
> : 
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxappearance-obconf/+bug/860105
>
>
> You most welcome :)
> It seems that you have the same issue. I just read the bug and I
> noticed it's amd64 not i386. Shall I add my notes on the same bug report?
No, I'm pretty sure it's the same on both :)

> 13- Some pcmanfm crashes have been identified, but ususally you
> should just let apport reporting bugs.
>
>
> You mean "Send Crash Report"? I did that already but it didn't work,
> didn't send anything. Yes, I was connected to the internet. 
> Some screenshots will be useful? please let me know what shall I do
> and I'll gladly do it :)
Yes, it should collect all the information we need.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

You most welcome and thanks a lot for your reply :)

1- See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/854837
> It would be very useful to provide more information about it, as it seems
> to affect more people and more configuratiosn than I though.


How can I provide more info about it? Shall I check this:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingCasper and report back here?


3- I chose "Something Else" and created a new Partition (sda9) with
*3.91GB* from
> un-allocated disk space. Please note that I'm Multi-Booting several Distros
> on this test PC. GRUB was installed into sda9 not MBR (sda). Installation
> was smooth and errors-free.


Apparently, Lubuntu 11.10 "can" be installed on less than 4GB HDD. I think I
have read it somewhere that there is an error or bug because the installer
require more than 4GB. Am I right? just thought to highlight this because
this is important for those who wants to install Lubuntu on 4GB USB Drive.



4- It's currently not supported. How do you find to this screen using the
> installer ?


If it's not supported, will this feature be included with the final release
of Lubuntu 11.10?

Sorry, what do you mean by "How do you find to this screen using the
installer"???


5- It should not happen if you don't do anything like plug in a new media.
> Is it reproducible ? Are you using a USB stick or a live CD ?


I was installing from LiveCD.
No, I haven't inserted anything. I was so surprised because that was my
first time I see such message or pop-up window during the installation.
Reproducible? shall I re-install Lubuntu 11.10? I got it during the
installation process which has already begun and I'm not quite sure whether
I'll get it or not. I did not get it on my 2nd and 3rd test on the other PC
(I'll send an email about it later today hopefully).



6- Yes, sometime it doesn't work, but it's safe to just reboot by hand.


 I figured that out. Thanks a lot :)


7- Thanks, we have great artists around here ;-)


Indeed he's great. It would be great too if more wallpapers can be added?
say total 12 instead of 6 maybe?



8- That would be nice to have a test case, when it's always reproducible. I
> can't currently reproduce it.


This is weird. I had it like 3-4 times yesterday and it happened when I was
writing my first email about my test. I can't reproduce it as of now but
I'll keep trying. I'll also check if the same can happen on my 2nd PC. As I
previously mentioned, I'm testing Lubuntu 11.10 beta 2 on two test PCs :)
Ok, the 2nd PC is actually next to me so I just tried to reproduce the same
thing but nothing has changed.
I'll try to provide an update later. I'll focus on what was opened at that
time and what is the item I wanted to select from the menu. I think that
would be better :)



9- Seems a bug yes, but only a display bug. Is the network working for you ?


Yes, on this PC, my Wireless Connection is working and my Wired Connection
too. I'm connected to the internet via Range Extender through Wireless
Network.

I did a simple testing while I'm writing this reply:
- Right Click on the Connections Icon showed this screen:
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8204

- Ticked "*Enable Networking*" and Ticked "*Enable Wireless*".
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8212

- I un-checked/un-ticked "*Enable Networking*" and Ticked "*Enable Wireless*".
My Networks got disconnected. I Ticked "*Enable Networking*" and
Ticked "*Enable
Wireless*" yet again and connections back to work.

So I think you are right. It's a display bug but it's confusing.

Shall I log a bug report?


10 - Thanks, bug reported :
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxappearance-obconf/+bug/860105


You most welcome :)
It seems that you have the same issue. I just read the bug and I noticed
it's amd64 not i386. Shall I add my notes on the same bug report?


11-

a) It's not installed on Ubuntu also, and I'm not sure it's working nicely
> with lxdm.


I always install it after I'm done with installation whether it's Ubuntu or
Lubuntu. Yes, it's not included in Ubuntu as well. It would be nice to have
it.
I noticed it doesn't work unless you login to the desktop. From my
understanding, it should work right after booting because the same option is
Enabled in BIOS. However, in my case, it always work right after I login to
the desktop after I type my login password.
A for lxdm and gdm, never had an issue with both.



> b) dnsmasq-base, which contains the dnsmasq program is installed by
> default, its should be sufficient in this case.


I just checked and indeed it's there. Thanks :)



> c)  This one is for advanced usages, an average user should not have to
> touch the partitions after the installation. Ubuntu do the same thing. You
> can still install it after the installation.


Yes, I'm aware of that but as long as you can install it after you are done
with installation, anyone else can do that too :)
With Ubuntu 9.10, it was installed by defau

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Julien Lavergne]

Thanks for the complete review, I'll try to answer each comments :

Le 26/09/2011 22:15, Ali Linx a écrit :
> 1- Try Lubuntu without installation does not work and drop you to CLI.
> Typing "*starx*"  command will take you to LXDE Desktop with LXDE
> wallpaper instead of Lubuntu Desktop. There is an icon on the LXDE
> Desktop to Install Lubuntu.
>
See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/854837
It would be very useful to provide more information about it, as it
seems to affect more people and more configuratiosn than I though.

> 4- Choose a Picture during the installation process simple does
> nothing. Even when I took a picture, it didn't show it on the preview
> small box. 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8210
> 
>
> Apparently, it's a new feature but I'm not sure how does it work?
It's currently not supported. How do you find to this screen using the
installer ?

> 5- "Removable Medium is inserted" pop-up window during installation.
> Not sure if that's a bug or something?!
> http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8211
> 
It should not happen if you don't do anything like plug in a new media.
Is it reproducible ? Are you using a USB stick or a live CD ?

> 6- Continue Testing OR Reboot > Reboot > Please remove installation
> media and press Enter - Not Responding when Press Enter > Force Reboot
> - Ctrl+Alt+Del > "Press Enter to reboot msg" > Reboot Done.
>
> Not sure if that's an error or something but I recall I got the same
> with other LiveCD and other Distros, mainly Ubuntu-Based.
Yes, sometime it doesn't work, but it's safe to just reboot by hand.

> 7- Wallpapers are really nice and getting better. Good job :)
Thanks, we have great artists around here ;-)

> 8- Sometimes, the menu doesn't disappear even after making a
> selection: http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8205
> 
> Clicking on the desktop does nothing. I had to go to menu and click
> there twice and then it disappeared.
That would be nice to have a test case, when it's always reproducible. I
can't currently reproduce it.

> 9- Looks like "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless" does
> nothing: http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8204
> 
> It's not 'ticked' or 'selected'. Looks like a bug?
Seems a bug yes, but only a display bug. Is the network working for you ?

> 10- Customize Look and Feel > Window Border > No Preview
> http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8207
> 
Thanks, bug reported :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxappearance-obconf/+bug/860105

> 11- Some apps are not installed. I suggest to include these apps.
> IMHO, I see it's good to have these:
> a- *numlockx*
It's not installed on Ubuntu also, and I'm not sure it's working nicely
with lxdm.

> b- *dnsmasq *(http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31326
> )
dnsmasq-base, which contains the dnsmasq program is installed by
default, its should be sufficient in this case.

> c- *GParted*
This one is for advanced usages, an average user should not have to
touch the partitions after the installation. Ubuntu do the same thing.
You can still install it after the installation.

> d- *Flash Player*
Proprietary software, we can't include it by default.

> 12- LSC installed:
>
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
> sudo apt-get update
> sudo apt-get install lubuntu-software-center
>
> I'm finding it a bit hard to deal with. For example, you need to
> Double Click on a Category and it takes sometime until the contents
> show up. Search Box is disabled until you choose a Category and that
> means if you don't know in which Category the application or program
> you want is included then you need to select "All". I was looking for
> Firefox to install but couldn't easily find it because I got many
> selections. Not to mention I got some Crash Error and it was asking to
> report this problem.
Please report the bugs directly under the LSC project :
https://bugs.launchpad.net/lubuntu-software-center
The problem of the search box should be fixed in the last revision.

> 13- Crash Report sometimes with Chromium and PCManFM.
Some pcmanfm crashes have been identified, but ususally you should just
let apport reporting bugs.

> 14- I see too many themes, widget, etc are installed by default. I
> suggest (IMHO) to remove the extra themes and give users the choice to
> install these after installing Lubuntu 11.10 in case they want to.
> Perhaps PPA for all these extra themes? won't that reduce some size?
> perhaps I'm wrong and it's just a suggestion.
It's the themes by defa

[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 - Testing

[Ali Linx]

Hi everyone,

This is my first email to the list and this is my first test ever so please,
be patient :)

I have two Test Desktop PCs, each with P4 @3.0GHz but one with 2GB RAM and
the other with 512MB RAM (with the ability to share its RAM).

---
*Test No.1*
---
PC: P4 3.0GHz - 2GB RAM - 40GB IDE HDD - Intel Graphics Card *(driver=i915)
*
Media: Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2 LiveCD - 32 bit
---

Notes:
1- Try Lubuntu without installation does not work and drop you to CLI.
Typing "*starx*"  command will take you to LXDE Desktop with LXDE wallpaper
instead of Lubuntu Desktop. There is an icon on the LXDE Desktop to Install
Lubuntu.

Reboot done ...

2- Install Lubuntu Option > Quit > Quit > Lubuntu Desktop. Please note that
I used to do the same with Lubuntu 11.04.

3- I chose "Something Else" and created a new Partition (sda9) with
*3.91GB*from un-allocated disk space. Please note that I'm
Multi-Booting several
Distros on this test PC. GRUB was installed into sda9 not MBR (sda).
Installation was smooth and errors-free.
> After 
> Installation<

4- Choose a Picture during the installation process simple does nothing.
Even when I took a picture, it didn't show it on the preview small box.
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8210

Apparently, it's a new feature but I'm not sure how does it work?

5- "Removable Medium is inserted" pop-up window during installation. Not
sure if that's a bug or something?!
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8211

6- Continue Testing OR Reboot > Reboot > Please remove installation media
and press Enter - Not Responding when Press Enter > Force Reboot -
Ctrl+Alt+Del > "Press Enter to reboot msg" > Reboot Done.

Not sure if that's an error or something but I recall I got the same with
other LiveCD and other Distros, mainly Ubuntu-Based.

Installation done ... rebooted.

7- Wallpapers are really nice and getting better. Good job :)

8- Sometimes, the menu doesn't disappear even after making a selection:
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8205
Clicking on the desktop does nothing. I had to go to menu and click there
twice and then it disappeared.

9- Looks like "Enable Networking" and "Enable Wireless" does nothing:
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8204
It's not 'ticked' or 'selected'. Looks like a bug?

10- Customize Look and Feel > Window Border > No Preview
http://ubuntuforums.org/picture.php?albumid=2432&pictureid=8207

11- Some apps are not installed. I suggest to include these apps. IMHO, I
see it's good to have these:
a- *numlockx*
b- *dnsmasq *(http://forum.lxde.org/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=31326)
c- *GParted*
d- *Flash Player*

12- LSC installed:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install lubuntu-software-center

I'm finding it a bit hard to deal with. For example, you need to Double
Click on a Category and it takes sometime until the contents show up. Search
Box is disabled until you choose a Category and that means if you don't know
in which Category the application or program you want is included then you
need to select "All". I was looking for Firefox to install but couldn't
easily find it because I got many selections. Not to mention I got some
Crash Error and it was asking to report this problem.

13- Crash Report sometimes with Chromium and PCManFM.

14- I see too many themes, widget, etc are installed by default. I suggest
(IMHO) to remove the extra themes and give users the choice to install these
after installing Lubuntu 11.10 in case they want to. Perhaps PPA for all
these extra themes? won't that reduce some size? perhaps I'm wrong and it's
just a suggestion.

---

Ok, that's all for now.
I'm also done with two other tests on the other PC, one from LiveCD and the
other from LiveUSB. Got some stuff to share with you but guess that will be
later because I must go now.

Thank you for your time :)

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