ios blog software?

2015-07-21 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi guys, I’ve just started a web site and blog. Yesterday was my first day 
doing this. I have a lot to learn. So, I have Marsedit for the Mac. On my 
windows machine, I guess I’ll just use the admin area of the site to write 
posts. I’m looking sosftware for myiphone and ipad. Any recommendations?
Check me out at Sarai’s Corner.
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Re: Is there a way to extract text from a JPG file on the Mac?

2015-07-21 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Isn’t tesseract command line based?
Or am i wrong here.
/A
 21 juli 2015 kl. 00:52 skrev Jason White ja...@jasonjgw.net:
 
 Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 Via Fine Reader I would have thought.
 
 Or you could install Tesseract. I'm sure someone has a package for it that
 runs under OS X.
 
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Re: deezer, was Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Terje Strømberg
You are right! Did not find the Deezer app in app store for mac. 

Having a look at it now. Then, will have a closer look later. There seems to be 
options for playlists and album as favorites. Is there an option to add artists 
in a table too?

Take care

21. juli 2015 kl. 16:35 skrev Piotr Machacz piterm...@gmail.com:

Slight correction, Deezer does in fact have a mac client, look it up on 
Applevis. It was the thing that prompted me to try it in the first place as 
well as a promotion they ran in Poland in June. It’s a very simple app, but 
that’s what makes it very good. 99% of it is all native OS X controls, the only 
thing that’s a web view is your recommendation feed. The only thing that could 
be a problem to some on this list is that, even though they’re available in I 
think over a hundred countries, the US isn’t one of them. Well, sort of, 
because if you’re in the US you can only sign up for Deezer if you got a Sonos 
speaker and then you get their lossless flac plan. For everyone else, there’s a 
free tear that gives you unlimited listening with some ads at 128KBPS, and the 
mobile app will only let you start either your flow or artist mix, searching 
for specific tracks is only possible on desktop IE the Mac app. Then you can 
pay about 5 euros a month for premium that lets you listen at 320 kbps, you get 
unlimited skipping, offline downloads and you can play your playlists and 
search in the mobile app.

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 Deezer is the same type of streaming app like Apple Music and Spotify. Not 
 for mac though. IOS and Android and Sonos and probably other streaming 
 hardware devices.Can stream lossless cd quality if you subscribe for that. 
 Seems to work very well with voice over on IOS devices. If the Sonos app for 
 mac had been more accessible with voice over, many could use it on mac via 
 Sonos connect streaming box.
 
 Take care
 
 21. juli 2015 kl. 00:10 skrev Joshua Tubbs ori...@icloud.com:
 
 If I may ask, what is Deezer? Never heard of it.
 
 On Jul 20, 2015, at 2:51 PM, deedra waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the 
 others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album
 
 deedra waters
 dee...@the-brannons.com
 
 
 
 On Jul 19, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 One good thing about Apple Music compare to the competition is that it 
 plays more albums from each artist. For example, Boz Scaggs song - Thanks 
 To You from the album - The Essential Boz Scaggs. A beautiful song. Can not 
 play this song in Deezer. Neither Tidal. There are more artists like 
 Metallica. This is a hugh advantage. Probably because of the drm in Apple 
 Music.
 
 Apple Music is more difficult to use than the competition. Go figure. Its 
 faster with Deezer to add artists in library for example.
 
 Is there a favorite button hidden somewhere in iTunes and IOS music, that 
 adds artists in library after hitting the artist name after serch result 
 for the first time? So many commands before adding artist it looks like. 
 Maybe this will be fixed later. I am sure i saw some options settings 
 somewhere in iTunes Apple Music on mac, but it is gone, can’t find it again.
 
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Re: question about update

2015-07-21 Thread Eugenia Firth
The only problem I am having is my illustrious printer. I have an open case 
again because my Cannon 210 printer is listed, by Cannon, as not working with 
Yosemite. Never mind that it was working earlier but since 10.4. Otherwise, I’m 
ok. The printer thing was a big surprise, and it is not listed on the list of 
printer drivers any more on my Mac. I refuse to buy another printer because 
this blind gal doesn’t print too often unless somebody else wants something. 

Gigi 

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:12 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Gigi, 
 
 I’m assuming you have updated to 10.10.4? I was waiting to hear if there were 
 any major bugs that I should wait for a fix. What have you seen that is 
 different from 10.10.3? I appreciate your assessment of the new update. 
 
 Thanks. 
 
 Eileen 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com 
 mailto:gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there 
 I guess it depends on whether you want the latest update ASAP when it comes 
 out. I keep my Mac updated, even if I pay for it later. That way, if there 
 needs to be changes to anything related to VoiceOver, I can provide 
 information to Apple. I think you just made a typing mistake when you said 
 IOS. If it was your MacBookAir that said that, then it is under OSX 10 point 
 something or other. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:54 AM, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
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 Hello,
  
 When I turn on my macbook air it asks:
 automatically update ios 10?
 Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
 days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I 
 updated.
 Thanks,
 Rena
  
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Large Numbers file and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread Antonio Guimaraes
Hi all,

I am working with a fairly large numbers file containing 6300 columns.

 Voiceover lags behind by about two seconds each time I switch from cell to 
cell.

 Is this normal, can it be resolved in someway?

I only have 4 GB of RAM.

As ever,

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how to stop pitures to show up.

2015-07-21 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi!
Evry time since testing out the public beta of el capitan i have a problem with 
the pictures app.
It keeps on starting evrytime i plug my idevices in.
Itunes doesn’t start but picture does.
I want it to be the oposit way so that itunes start and pictures doesn’t.
But in itunes i have checked all  settings regarding iphone and they are set 
right.
In pictures i can’t open settings for some odd reason.
Any help is highly appreciated.
Thanks.
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Re: question about update

2015-07-21 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Gigi, 

I’m assuming you have updated to 10.10.4? I was waiting to hear if there were 
any major bugs that I should wait for a fix. What have you seen that is 
different from 10.10.3? I appreciate your assessment of the new update. 

Thanks. 

Eileen 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:41 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi there 
 I guess it depends on whether you want the latest update ASAP when it comes 
 out. I keep my Mac updated, even if I pay for it later. That way, if there 
 needs to be changes to anything related to VoiceOver, I can provide 
 information to Apple. I think you just made a typing mistake when you said 
 IOS. If it was your MacBookAir that said that, then it is under OSX 10 point 
 something or other. 
 
 Gigi 
 
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 Hello,
  
 When I turn on my macbook air it asks:
 automatically update ios 10?
 Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
 days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I updated.
 Thanks,
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Re: Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Brandon A. Olivares
Yes I’m getting that error periodically. Restarting iTunes seems to help for a 
time, then it does it again.

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 On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:43 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I’m having the same issue. A bunch of services were down the majority of the 
 day, but Apple’s system status page claims they’re back up, which…obviously, 
 they’re not lol. Are you getting some type of error about being unable to 
 complete your request in the iTunes store, and to try again later?
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Brandon A. Olivares thepianist2...@gmail.com 
 mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
 Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at 
 first, but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only 
 happening today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today or 
 something?
 
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a free antivirus program?

2015-07-21 Thread joe quinn
Sorry for the crossposting, but Since clamsAV isn't free anymore, what's a
good free antivirus program? :) Thanks!

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Re: a free antivirus program?

2015-07-21 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I decided just to go ahead and pay for ClamxAV.  I felt it was worth it:  and 
besides, I got it for $22.46 which is the discount until July 31st.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:56 PM, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 yeah I heard about that and have downloaded it. anxious to try it. :)
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 I haven't tested it, but Malware Bytes just announced a Mac version of their 
 software that's free for the basics. I asked them if it's accessible; they 
 said they haven't tried it, but they'll make VO compatibility a priority in 
 their next update.
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slightly OT: posting Youtube comments using Safari and VO on Mac?

2015-07-21 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
To enter a contest, I have to post a comment on each of three videos on 
Youtube. I can see the comments others have posted, and I can see buttons to 
like and all that, but I can't figure out how to post my own comment. Is there 
a trick to this? Something I can do a text search for? Is the button or text 
field hiding somewhere strange? Any help would be great. Thanks in advance.

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RE: My question about update

2015-07-21 Thread george b
O s x is for your mac desktop / laptop computers and I o s is for your iPhone, 
iPad, apple watch, and iTuch

 

Navigate through the screen with that question and you will find a update or 
cancel

 

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Subject: My question about update

 

I listened again and the question that the computer asks is:

automatically update OS 10? In my previous message I wrote IOS, but it’s OS.

What’s the difference between IOS and OS? How do I answer yes or not?

Thanks,

Rena

 

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My question about update

2015-07-21 Thread gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net
I listened again and the question that the computer asks is:
automatically update OS 10? In my previous message I wrote IOS, but it’s OS.
What’s the difference between IOS and OS? How do I answer yes or not?
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Re: Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Daniel Miller
The phone doesn’t give you an error, it just refuses to play songs.

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was having this problem using my iPhone with both iTunes match songs that I 
 own and Apple music songs, all in the cloud. On the phone, I was not seeing 
 an error message, or at least it wasn't being read automatically, and I 
 didn't find one. Must be a serious problem on their end.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mailto:thepianist2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
 Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at 
 first, but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only 
 happening today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today or 
 something?
 
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Re: Apple TV No Content Found Error

2015-07-21 Thread Mary Otten
Brian,
It sounds like you are suffering from the same problem that others are 
reporting about problems with music and App Store and God knows what else. 
Apple is having a bad day.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hey all, Amazing only one day with the Apple TV and everything worked 
 yesterday. Today under anything in my music I am getting a No content found 
 message any time I try and play anything. Everything is showing up but 
 nothing will play and a google search just seems to find people with this 
 issue and no solution. I have restarted the Apple TV and still am getting the 
 error message. I am connected to my home network as Netflix works just fine. 
 Any ideas? Thanks,
 
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Re: a free antivirus program?

2015-07-21 Thread Alex Hall
I haven't tested it, but Malware Bytes just announced a Mac version of their 
software that's free for the basics. I asked them if it's accessible; they said 
they haven't tried it, but they'll make VO compatibility a priority in their 
next update.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:31 PM, joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry for the crossposting, but Since clamsAV isn’t free anymore, what’s a 
 good free antivirus program? J Thanks!
 
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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Eugenia Firth
No, I didn’t mean it was available for the Mac. I just meant that when a 
braille display with Apple devices, Bard Mobile for IOS devices is the only one 
that I personally have seen that takes out the control m and control j 
characters when reading on a braille display. I realized later what I had 
written when I mentioned Bard Mobile. 

Gigi 

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:42 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Bard mobile's available for the Mac?  Wo! baby!  Do tell, do tell!
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eugenia Firth mailto:gigifi...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:05 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 OK Chris I am going to take into account that you are super frustrated, so 
 if I get this wrong again, please don't yell at me again. Now, if I 
 understand what your message says, and I did read all that this time, I 
 don't believe that you can change this. I have been trying to change this 
 since 2011. It sounds like you are seeing the control m followed by the 
 control Jay. If you ever figure out how to do this, please let me know 
 because I have been trying to get rid of them also. Whenever I do use my Mac 
 with the braille display, I have just learned to ignore it.
 
  The only program that I have found that gets rid of them is in Bard mobile 
 whenever you read a BRF file. I seem to remember that you said you didn't 
 find it in pages, and if that's true, I believe that may be something new. 
 The last time I tried to use pages with the braille display writing just 
 texted not a table, I saw the same control characters.
 
 Gigi Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 GG,
  
 Did you read my message in its entirety?  With all due respect, the issue 
 has not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized.  
 That's not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display 
 has already been detached.  It was never attached in the first place.
  
 If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the 
 first regard.
  
 Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end.  I'm not 
 trying to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just 
 seems strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than 
 having a guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming 
 pool... in other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being 
 it's already done, and has been so from the start.
  
 Please don't read between the lines!  I'm extremely grateful for your 
 effort to help.  I just don't see the connection.
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message - 
 From: Eugenia Firth mailto:gigifi...@me.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 Hi there  
 You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand 
 find the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off 
 the PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, 
 and you can plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end 
 into the Mac. Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the 
 PacMate display. It did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It 
 better because I still have one that I want to use in an emergency. It 
 doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the way, so forget it on an iOS device. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So 
 is my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate 
 QX 40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  
 It's only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update 
 that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, 
 although, even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this 
 issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook 

an itunes library/apple music question

2015-07-21 Thread Joe Quinn
I've gotten about 21,000 or so tracks courtesy of apple music, and on september 
30, I'll end up losing them. that is, if I don't pay for it. now, is there a 
way I can have a backup listing of everything I've rented, from apple music 
so if I decide to go back to it, I can redownload them? Doubt it, but. :) thfor 
any help you can shed on this.

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Re: a free antivirus program?

2015-07-21 Thread Joe Quinn
yeah I heard about that and have downloaded it. anxious to try it. :)

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:54 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I haven't tested it, but Malware Bytes just announced a Mac version of their 
 software that's free for the basics. I asked them if it's accessible; they 
 said they haven't tried it, but they'll make VO compatibility a priority in 
 their next update.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:31 PM, joe quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Sorry for the crossposting, but Since clamsAV isn’t free anymore, what’s a 
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Re: Apple TV No Content Found Error

2015-07-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hi Mary,

Thanks for the heads up thinking because I am a iTunes match person maybe that 
is the issue as I just saw another post about the Apple issues will let it sit 
for a few hours or day and then try again.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:44 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Brian,
 It sounds like you are suffering from the same problem that others are 
 reporting about problems with music and App Store and God knows what else. 
 Apple is having a bad day.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hey all, Amazing only one day with the Apple TV and everything worked 
 yesterday. Today under anything in my music I am getting a No content found 
 message any time I try and play anything. Everything is showing up but 
 nothing will play and a google search just seems to find people with this 
 issue and no solution. I have restarted the Apple TV and still am getting 
 the error message. I am connected to my home network as Netflix works just 
 fine. Any ideas? Thanks,
 
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Now, I'm really! perplexed!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Guys, I booted to a USB drive I have made with Super Dooper which had Mavericks 
9.5 on it.  I know that is a little older, but I wanted to see if my braille 
display issue I wrote about earlier would occur over there.  What the heck do 
ya know!  It does!  I even tried on my friend's mac to boot to that same image, 
and on his system once booted into that Mavericks drive, the problem appears.  
On his mac though it doesn't occur.

The only thing I haven't yet done is to make a super doop image of his 
partition, boot it on my system and see if the issue goes away.  If it does, 
I'll image his mac over to my internal drive, then just get him to go through 
and remove all his personal stuff, and then we'll sign into my! ICloud, ITunes, 
and what not instead.

That literally, guys, is the only other thing I can think to do!  I've even 
done a permission repair, verify disk, and repair disk.

This is just totally the oddest! thing I've seen!

Chris.

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Apple TV No Content Found Error

2015-07-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey all, Amazing only one day with the Apple TV and everything worked 
yesterday. Today under anything in my music I am getting a No content found 
message any time I try and play anything. Everything is showing up but nothing 
will play and a google search just seems to find people with this issue and no 
solution. I have restarted the Apple TV and still am getting the error message. 
I am connected to my home network as Netflix works just fine. Any ideas? Thanks,

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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Bard mobile's available for the Mac?  Wo! baby!  Do tell, do tell!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eugenia Firth 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:05 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  OK Chris I am going to take into account that you are super frustrated, so if 
I get this wrong again, please don't yell at me again. Now, if I understand 
what your message says, and I did read all that this time, I don't believe that 
you can change this. I have been trying to change this since 2011. It sounds 
like you are seeing the control m followed by the control Jay. If you ever 
figure out how to do this, please let me know because I have been trying to get 
rid of them also. Whenever I do use my Mac with the braille display, I have 
just learned to ignore it.

   The only program that I have found that gets rid of them is in Bard mobile 
whenever you read a BRF file. I seem to remember that you said you didn't find 
it in pages, and if that's true, I believe that may be something new. The last 
time I tried to use pages with the braille display writing just texted not a 
table, I saw the same control characters.

  Gigi Sent from my iPhone

  On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


GG,

Did you read my message in its entirety?  With all due respect, the issue 
has not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized.  
That's not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display has 
already been detached.  It was never attached in the first place.

If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the 
first regard.

Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end.  I'm not 
trying to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just seems 
strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than having a 
guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming pool... in 
other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being it's already 
done, and has been so from the start.

Please don't read between the lines!  I'm extremely grateful for your 
effort to help.  I just don't see the connection.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eugenia Firth 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  Hi there  
  You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand 
find the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off the 
PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, and you can 
plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end into the Mac. 
Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the PacMate display. It 
did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It better because I still 
have one that I want to use in an emergency. It doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the 
way, so forget it on an iOS device. 


  Gigi 


On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Guys,

I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  
So is my friend.

I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who 
flew down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 
40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's 
only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.

I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running 
Yosemite 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that 
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even 
before doing so, I still saw this issue.

I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.

In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.

I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.

The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich 
text, or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout 
the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.

So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:

Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit 
return to make a new line.

Then on the next line of text, I write:  
My name is Chris.

OK, if you're reading this with a 

Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Christina C.
I am no expert but I’m not a tech idiot either and I personally find apple 
music on the Mac very difficult to use. On the iPhone it is a bit easier but 
there are less options there. Anyways, the only way I’ve consistently been able 
to play all songs by one artist is to use Siri on my iPhone and to ask Siri to 
play all songs by so and so. Also, when I’ve done this, then expanded the mini 
player and used the up next button, at the top I’ve noticed an add button close 
to the top but I have not tried it yet to say what it does or what you can add. 
I wonder if it’s to add more artists but I haven’t had time to play with it. 
Everything in appleMusic takes me soo long to set up and to make changes. It’s 
very cumbersome and clunky for me personally.

Christina
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 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album

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Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Alex Hall
I haven't figured out how to play all music from an artist either. Aside from 
that, though, iTunes Music has been quite easy to use for me, in iTunes on a 
Mac. I did a podcast on it for AppleVis; if you'd like, I can send you the link.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am no expert but I’m not a tech idiot either and I personally find apple 
 music on the Mac very difficult to use. On the iPhone it is a bit easier but 
 there are less options there. Anyways, the only way I’ve consistently been 
 able to play all songs by one artist is to use Siri on my iPhone and to ask 
 Siri to play all songs by so and so. Also, when I’ve done this, then expanded 
 the mini player and used the up next button, at the top I’ve noticed an add 
 button close to the top but I have not tried it yet to say what it does or 
 what you can add. I wonder if it’s to add more artists but I haven’t had time 
 to play with it. Everything in appleMusic takes me soo long to set up and to 
 make changes. It’s very cumbersome and clunky for me personally.
 
 Christina
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 mailto:dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the 
 others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album
 
 
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how to turn off keyboard notifications?

2015-07-21 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
good day to all, how to turn off keyboard notification even though i have 53% 
more on my apple wireless keyboard? it is so annoying. thanks

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Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Terje Strømberg
Yes, send a link. Thanks. I can swear that Metallica was gone from Apple Music 
4-5 ours ago. They are back now. Although i mostly listen to jazz and more 
quiet music it is good to have some loud tones and rythm from time to time.

It looks like there is not possible to play songs from the whole catalog of one 
specific artist without changing albums. The Siri walkaroung is good.

Take care 

21. juli 2015 kl. 21:34 skrev Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com:

I haven't figured out how to play all music from an artist either. Aside from 
that, though, iTunes Music has been quite easy to use for me, in iTunes on a 
Mac. I did a podcast on it for AppleVis; if you'd like, I can send you the link.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 2:59 PM, Christina C. blindmaclo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am no expert but I’m not a tech idiot either and I personally find apple 
 music on the Mac very difficult to use. On the iPhone it is a bit easier but 
 there are less options there. Anyways, the only way I’ve consistently been 
 able to play all songs by one artist is to use Siri on my iPhone and to ask 
 Siri to play all songs by so and so. Also, when I’ve done this, then expanded 
 the mini player and used the up next button, at the top I’ve noticed an add 
 button close to the top but I have not tried it yet to say what it does or 
 what you can add. I wonder if it’s to add more artists but I haven’t had time 
 to play with it. Everything in appleMusic takes me soo long to set up and to 
 make changes. It’s very cumbersome and clunky for me personally.
 
 Christina
 On Jul 20, 2015, at 12:51 PM, deedra waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the 
 others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album
 
 
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Re: slightly OT: posting Youtube comments using Safari and VO on Mac?

2015-07-21 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I seem to recall that what you need to do, after you've made each video and 
uplodaded it, you can click where you'd normally make a comment, and then, 
there should be a button near by that let's you choose a video to add.  Could 
be wrong as it's been a while since I've bothered.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 To enter a contest, I have to post a comment on each of three videos on 
 Youtube. I can see the comments others have posted, and I can see buttons to 
 like and all that, but I can't figure out how to post my own comment. Is 
 there a trick to this? Something I can do a text search for? Is the button or 
 text field hiding somewhere strange? Any help would be great. Thanks in 
 advance.
 
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Re: Large Numbers file and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries
That's pretty big and if you run out of real RAM OSX will try to fake it 
by swapping pages of memory out to disk. Once that happens your machine 
will turn to sludge. On OSX 10.9 or later you can go to terminal and type


sysctl -a vm | grep vm.mem

which will give you the memory pressure. I'm running 8GB RAM with the 
usual mail, chat, web apps open so when I do that I get 0 pressure. You 
can also check the minimum target for free pages of memory:


sysctl -a vm | grep free_target

and how many free pages you have

sysctl -a vm | grep free_count

My target was 4000 and actual was 5533 so I'm good. Once the actual 
drops below the target OSX will start asking apps to free up any memory 
they can and beyond a certain threshold will start swapping to disk. 
There's some details here:


http://newosxbook.com/articles/MemoryPressure.html

CB

On 7/21/15 12:32 PM, Antonio Guimaraes wrote:

Hi all,

I am working with a fairly large numbers file containing 6300 columns.

  Voiceover lags behind by about two seconds each time I switch from cell to 
cell.

  Is this normal, can it be resolved in someway?

I only have 4 GB of RAM.

As ever,

Antonio



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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there 
You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand find the 
release key. This should result in taking the braille display off the PacMate, 
at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, and you can plug the 
USB cable into the braille display and the other end into the Mac. Hopefully, 
when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the PacMate display. It did the last 
time I plugged in a PacMate display. It better because I still have one that I 
want to use in an emergency. It doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the way, so forget it 
on an iOS device. 

Gigi 

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So is 
 my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 40 
 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's only 
 the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update 
 that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, 
 even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
  
 The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, or 
 a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout the 
 file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.
  
 So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
  
 Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return to 
 make a new line.
  
 Then on the next line of text, I write:  
 My name is Chris.
  
 OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
 uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
 nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
 strange:
  
 ,hello1 my n is ,*ris4
  
 However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just to 
 further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the literal 
 text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
 command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
 turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, 
 instead of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5.)  
  
 So in other words, instead of seeing:
  
 Hello
 My name is Chris.
  
 I see:
  
 cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.
  
 All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the word 
 hello, and then it goes to:
  
 Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.
  
 Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 8 
 as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is to 
 the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 
 capital sign.
  
 I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
 disabling dot 7 8 braille.  NO good.
  
 I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on 
 Voiceover Utility in the language popup button.  They both are producing this 
 issue.
  
 I've rebooted the mac.  NO good.  I've unplugged and replugged the USB cord 
 both from the mac side, and from the display side.  I've swapped out the USB 
 cable, and that didn't work either.
  
 I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand.  LOL! 
  Only kidding on that one!  I feel like I could! though?
  
 I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and they 
 were stumped beyond belief!  My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook mid 
 2010, 13 inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having this 
 issue.
  
 We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings.  All are 
 100% identical.  I've reset my settings.  NO good.  I'm totally out of 
 possibilities.  I think Pages calls these things the display is showing, 
 Invisibles.  Pages isn't having this issue though.  It is *only!* doing it 
 in Text Edit.  My friend isn't having this issue at all.  Not even! in Text 
 

Leaf and syncing services

2015-07-21 Thread Antonio Guimaraes
Hello all,

I am using a program called Leaf to read RSS feeds on the Mac.

I would like to set it up with sinking between my iPhone and Mac. They use a 
couple of services, and I am wondering which one you have experiences with on 
both platforms.

Leaf uses the following services:

Feedly, FeedBin, Wrangler, NewsBlur.

I have NewsRack and Newsy installed on my phone, but I am open to suggestions 
on RSS readers on the phone which will sync well with one of these services I 
install on Leaf.

As ever,

Antonio

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Re: The Moodle interface and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread Devin Prater
I,m glad this was discussed too i'll be using this platform too, at a place 
called Gentry. Gentry is a technical facility, kind of like Alabama's Colorado 
Center for the blind. . 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:39 PM, Tim Emmons temmo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Matt, where did you get your certification and how does that particular piece 
 of certification work. I’m interested in getting an Assistive Technology 
 certification as well. Thanks and take care. 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Matthew Dierckens matt.dierck...@me.com wrote:
 
 Good morning Gina,
 I use this for my assistive technology certification course last year. The 
 interface is quite accessible with voiceover on the Mac at least. It seemed 
 pretty accessible on the phone as well. Good luck with your online course, 
 hopefully you won't run into too many disability barriers.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Certified Assistive technology specialist
 Macintosh trainer
 Canadian phone: 5199629140
 U.S. Phone: 5734011018
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 09:31, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I’m considering an online course that uses something called the moodle. I 
 wondered if anyone had come across this interface and how VO managed it 
 either via a iMac or mobile device?
 
 Your report of your experiences would be most useful.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Gena
 
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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread David Chittenden
It is probably the braille display. As the original model, it does not have any 
updated firmware drivers built-in to it, and it has not been supported for 
several years.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So is 
 my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 40 
 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's only 
 the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update 
 that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, 
 even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
  
 The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, or 
 a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout the 
 file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.
  
 So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
  
 Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return to 
 make a new line.
  
 Then on the next line of text, I write: 
 My name is Chris.
  
 OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
 uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
 nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
 strange:
  
 ,hello1 my n is ,*ris4
  
 However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just to 
 further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the literal 
 text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
 command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
 turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, 
 instead of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5.) 
  
 So in other words, instead of seeing:
  
 Hello
 My name is Chris.
  
 I see:
  
 cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.
  
 All of that on one line of text.  Move to the  end of the line with the word 
 hello, and then it goes to:
  
 Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.
  
 Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 8 
 as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is to 
 the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 
 capital sign.
  
 I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
 disabling dot 7 8 braille.  NO good.
  
 I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on 
 Voiceover Utility in the language popup button.  They both are producing this 
 issue.
  
 I've rebooted the mac.  NO good.  I've unplugged and replugged the USB cord 
 both from the mac side, and from the display side.  I've swapped out the USB 
 cable, and that didn't work either.
  
 I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand.  LOL! 
  Only kidding on that one!  I feel like I could! though?
  
 I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and they 
 were stumped beyond belief!  My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook mid 
 2010, 13 inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having this 
 issue.
  
 We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings.  All are 
 100% identical.  I've reset my settings.  NO good.  I'm totally out of 
 possibilities.  I think Pages calls these things the display is showing, 
 Invisibles.  Pages isn't having this issue though.  It is *only!* doing it 
 in Text Edit.  My friend isn't having this issue at all.  Not even! in Text 
 Edit.  This isn't an assumption either.  We very concreetly tried it, and 
 sure enough.  It's not occurring on his system.
  
 The only thing I've not done is to delete the .plist file associated with 
 Text Edit.  I'm not sure though where that file would be exactly, nor what it 
 would be called.  I'm sure I could find it 

Re: how to stop pitures to show up.

2015-07-21 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi. Without breaking NDA, I'll just say that I also had this problem in 
Yosemite as well. So I wonder if there is a way to fix this.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
Facebook Username: Shawn Krasniuk
Twitter Handle: shawnk_aka_bbs
Skype username: bbstheblindrapper
Facetime: bbssh...@icloud.com

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Evry time since testing out the public beta of el capitan i have a problem 
 with the pictures app.
 It keeps on starting evrytime i plug my idevices in.
 Itunes doesn’t start but picture does.
 I want it to be the oposit way so that itunes start and pictures doesn’t.
 But in itunes i have checked all  settings regarding iphone and they are set 
 right.
 In pictures i can’t open settings for some odd reason.
 Any help is highly appreciated.
 Thanks.
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Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Christina C.
Alex, I guess the only work around would be to have appleMusic on the iPhone 
play all songs from an artist than add that playlist to your library and then 
on the mac play that playlist? I’m so happy to know  that you did a podcast for 
appleMusic with iTunes on the Mac. I will definitely be listening to that one. 
I use my stream for podcasts and am subscribed to the appleVis podcast but my 
stream has been in the shop and that’s why I must have missed it. :)

Thanks so much for letting me know about the podcast. They are much appreciated.

Christina
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I haven't figured out how to play all music from an artist either. Aside from 
 that, though, iTunes Music has been quite easy to use for me, in iTunes on a 
 Mac. I did a podcast on it for AppleVis; if you'd like, I can send you the 
 link.
 

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Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Guys,

I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So is my 
friend.

I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew down 
to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 40 
original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's only 
the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.

I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that 
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even 
before doing so, I still saw this issue.

I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.

In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the Voiceover 
Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.

I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.

The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, or a 
plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout the file, 
I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.

So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:

Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return to 
make a new line.

Then on the next line of text, I write:  
My name is Chris.

OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
strange:

,hello1 my n is ,*ris4

However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see the 
letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just to 
further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the literal 
text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with command+up 
arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now turns into two 
cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, instead of just a 
letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the letter j, (dots 2, 
4, and 5.)  

So in other words, instead of seeing:

Hello
My name is Chris.

I see:

cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.

All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the word 
hello, and then it goes to:

Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.

Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 8 
as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is to 
the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 capital 
sign.

I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
disabling dot 7 8 braille.  NO good.

I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on 
Voiceover Utility in the language popup button.  They both are producing this 
issue.

I've rebooted the mac.  NO good.  I've unplugged and replugged the USB cord 
both from the mac side, and from the display side.  I've swapped out the USB 
cable, and that didn't work either.

I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand.  LOL!  
Only kidding on that one!  I feel like I could! though?

I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and they were 
stumped beyond belief!  My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook mid 2010, 13 
inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having this issue.

We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings.  All are 
100% identical.  I've reset my settings.  NO good.  I'm totally out of 
possibilities.  I think Pages calls these things the display is showing, 
Invisibles.  Pages isn't having this issue though.  It is *only!* doing it in 
Text Edit.  My friend isn't having this issue at all.  Not even! in Text Edit.  
This isn't an assumption either.  We very concreetly tried it, and sure enough. 
 It's not occurring on his system.

The only thing I've not done is to delete the .plist file associated with Text 
Edit.  I'm not sure though where that file would be exactly, nor what it would 
be called.  I'm sure I could find it easily enough, but I've not gone that far 
just quite yet.

Aside that though, I am totally out of options!

I've even looked under Accessibility within System Prefs, but see absolutely 
nothing rellavent.

Please please! can someone help before I go insane over here trying to figure 
this out, or put my friend in a mental institution?  LOL!

Chris.

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Re: The Moodle interface and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread Tim Emmons
Matt, where did you get your certification and how does that particular piece 
of certification work. I’m interested in getting an Assistive Technology 
certification as well. Thanks and take care. 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Matthew Dierckens matt.dierck...@me.com wrote:
 
 Good morning Gina,
 I use this for my assistive technology certification course last year. The 
 interface is quite accessible with voiceover on the Mac at least. It seemed 
 pretty accessible on the phone as well. Good luck with your online course, 
 hopefully you won't run into too many disability barriers.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Certified Assistive technology specialist
 Macintosh trainer
 Canadian phone: 5199629140
 U.S. Phone: 5734011018
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 09:31, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I’m considering an online course that uses something called the moodle. I 
 wondered if anyone had come across this interface and how VO managed it 
 either via a iMac or mobile device?
 
 Your report of your experiences would be most useful.
 
 Thanks.
 
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Re: Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Mary Otten
I was having this problem using my iPhone with both iTunes match songs that I 
own and Apple music songs, all in the cloud. On the phone, I was not seeing an 
error message, or at least it wasn't being read automatically, and I didn't 
find one. Must be a serious problem on their end.
Mary


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 Hello,
 
 iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
 Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at 
 first, but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only 
 happening today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today or 
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Re: Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Paul Sandoval
I'm able to play songs from my phone, but not from my iPad.


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 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The phone doesn’t give you an error, it just refuses to play songs.
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I was having this problem using my iPhone with both iTunes match songs that 
 I own and Apple music songs, all in the cloud. On the phone, I was not 
 seeing an error message, or at least it wasn't being read automatically, and 
 I didn't find one. Must be a serious problem on their end.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
 Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at 
 first, but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only 
 happening today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today 
 or something?
 
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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Wait a minute though David.

Why then if that is the case was Ben able to get this thing to not exhibit that 
behavior on his macbook, with identically the same configuration, and the same 
OS?  Not just the same OS, mind you, but the exact same build, even.  I hear 
what you're saying, but that still doesn't appear to answer my question... 
or... does it?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  It is probably the braille display. As the original model, it does not have 
any updated firmware drivers built-in to it, and it has not been supported for 
several years.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Guys,

I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So 
is my friend.

I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 40 
original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's only 
the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.

I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that 
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even 
before doing so, I still saw this issue.

I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.

In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.

I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.

The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, 
or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout the 
file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.

So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:

Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return 
to make a new line.

Then on the next line of text, I write:  
My name is Chris.

OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
strange:

,hello1 my n is ,*ris4

However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see 
the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just 
to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the 
literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, instead 
of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the letter j, 
(dots 2, 4, and 5.)  

So in other words, instead of seeing:

Hello
My name is Chris.

I see:

cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.

All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the word 
hello, and then it goes to:

Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.

Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 
8 as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is to 
the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 capital 
sign.

I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
disabling dot 7 8 braille.  NO good.

I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on 
Voiceover Utility in the language popup button.  They both are producing this 
issue.

I've rebooted the mac.  NO good.  I've unplugged and replugged the USB cord 
both from the mac side, and from the display side.  I've swapped out the USB 
cable, and that didn't work either.

I've thrown the thing across the room and then paid him back ten grand.  
LOL!  Only kidding on that one!  I feel like I could! though?

I called Apple Accessibility, 1-877-204-3930, Option 2 from IVR, and they 
were stumped beyond belief!  My friend using a white Polycarbon macbook mid 
2010, 13 inch also on Yosemite 10.10.4 official release is not having this 
issue.

We've looked in Text Edit's preferences, and compared our settings.  All 
are 100% identical.  I've reset my settings.  NO good. 

Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
GG,

Did you read my message in its entirety?  With all due respect, the issue has 
not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized.  That's 
not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display has already 
been detached.  It was never attached in the first place.

If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the first 
regard.

Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end.  I'm not trying 
to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just seems 
strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than having a 
guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming pool... in 
other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being it's already 
done, and has been so from the start.

Please don't read between the lines!  I'm extremely grateful for your effort to 
help.  I just don't see the connection.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Eugenia Firth 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  Hi there 
  You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand find 
the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off the 
PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, and you can 
plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end into the Mac. 
Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the PacMate display. It 
did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It better because I still 
have one that I want to use in an emergency. It doesn’t do Bluetooth, by the 
way, so forget it on an iOS device. 


  Gigi 


On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Guys,

I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So 
is my friend.

I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 40 
original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's only 
the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.

I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that 
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even 
before doing so, I still saw this issue.

I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.

In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.

I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.

The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, 
or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout the 
file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.

So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:

Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return 
to make a new line.

Then on the next line of text, I write:  
My name is Chris.

OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
strange:

,hello1 my n is ,*ris4

However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see 
the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just 
to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the 
literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, instead 
of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the letter j, 
(dots 2, 4, and 5.)  

So in other words, instead of seeing:

Hello
My name is Chris.

I see:

cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.

All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the word 
hello, and then it goes to:

Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.

Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 
8 as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is to 
the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 capital 
sign.

I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
disabling 

Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Brandon A. Olivares
Hello,

iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at first, 
but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only happening 
today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today or something?

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Re: Problems Accessing iTunes Library

2015-07-21 Thread Daniel Miller
Hi,

I’m having the same issue. A bunch of services were down the majority of the 
day, but Apple’s system status page claims they’re back up, which…obviously, 
they’re not lol. Are you getting some type of error about being unable to 
complete your request in the iTunes store, and to try again later?
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:38 PM, Brandon A. Olivares thepianist2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 iTunes keeps having an issue with playing my music in iCloud. I have Apple 
 Music. So when I play a playlist I have of my own music, it will work at 
 first, but then it will only play the stuff I have downloaded. It is only 
 happening today. Does anyone know if there’s some issue with iCloud today or 
 something?
 
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Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread David Chittenden
My apologies, I read your original message to mean that a different display did 
not have the same issues. If it was the same display, the problem is specific 
to your Mac. I would consider the braille translation tables. Perhaps your 
table is somehow set to display end-of-line / linefeed characters. Sorry, I do 
not know how to modify the braille tables.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wait a minute though David.
  
 Why then if that is the case was Ben able to get this thing to not exhibit 
 that behavior on his macbook, with identically the same configuration, and 
 the same OS?  Not just the same OS, mind you, but the exact same build, even. 
  I hear what you're saying, but that still doesn't appear to answer my 
 question... or... does it?
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: David Chittenden
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 It is probably the braille display. As the original model, it does not have 
 any updated firmware drivers built-in to it, and it has not been supported 
 for several years.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So is 
 my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 
 40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's 
 only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update 
 that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, 
 although, even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this 
 issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
  
 The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, 
 or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout 
 the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the 
 display.
  
 So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
  
 Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return 
 to make a new line.
  
 Then on the next line of text, I write: 
 My name is Chris.
  
 OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
 uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
 nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
 strange:
  
 ,hello1 my n is ,*ris4
  
 However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  Just to 
 further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the 
 literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
 command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
 turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, 
 instead of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5.) 
  
 So in other words, instead of seeing:
  
 Hello
 My name is Chris.
  
 I see:
  
 cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.
  
 All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the word 
 hello, and then it goes to:
  
 Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is Chris.
  
 Again, all on one line.  No, I am not mistaking the j or mj with dots 7 and 
 8 as the blinking cursor.  That's just showing as a blinking dot 7, which is 
 to the right of the mj, or if at the start of the line, is under the dot 6 
 capital sign.
  
 I've tried turning off contracted braille, and also have tried enabling and 
 disabling dot 7 8 braille.  NO good.
  
 I've tried English US, and also have tried English Unified in Braille on 
 Voiceover Utility in the language popup button.  They both are producing 
 this issue.
  
 I've rebooted the mac.  NO good.  I've unplugged and replugged the USB cord 
 both from the mac side, and from the display side.  I've swapped out the 

Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, David, let's approach this differently, as you still may could help.

Is there a way to modify/create braille tables on the Mac?  If so, where'd we 
go to look and see if indeed your theory regarding the braille table is 
correct?  I couldn't begin to imagine how this would have happened, but I 
suppose anything's possible.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:49 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  My apologies, I read your original message to mean that a different display 
did not have the same issues. If it was the same display, the problem is 
specific to your Mac. I would consider the braille translation tables. Perhaps 
your table is somehow set to display end-of-line / linefeed characters. Sorry, 
I do not know how to modify the braille tables.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Wait a minute though David.

Why then if that is the case was Ben able to get this thing to not exhibit 
that behavior on his macbook, with identically the same configuration, and the 
same OS?  Not just the same OS, mind you, but the exact same build, even.  I 
hear what you're saying, but that still doesn't appear to answer my question... 
or... does it?

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: David Chittenden 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!


  It is probably the braille display. As the original model, it does not 
have any updated firmware drivers built-in to it, and it has not been supported 
for several years.

  David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA 
  Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
  Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
  Sent from my iPhone

  On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:


Guys,

I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  
So is my friend.

I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who 
flew down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 
40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's 
only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.

I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running 
Yosemite 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update that 
just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, although, even 
before doing so, I still saw this issue.

I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.

In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this issue.

I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.

The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich 
text, or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout 
the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the display.

So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:

Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit 
return to make a new line.

Then on the next line of text, I write:  
My name is Chris.

OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you 
are in uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note 
to nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
strange:

,hello1 my n is ,*ris4

However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I 
see the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  
Just to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move the 
literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text with 
command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 now 
turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, instead 
of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by the letter j, 
(dots 2, 4, and 5.)  

So in other words, instead of seeing:

Hello
My name is Chris.

I see:

cap sign, (dot 6,) helloj+dots 7 and 8my name is cap sign chris.

All of that on one line of text.  Move to the end of the line with the 
word hello, and then it goes to:

Hellomj+dots 7 and 8my name is 

Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread Eugenia Firth
OK Chris I am going to take into account that you are super frustrated, so if I 
get this wrong again, please don't yell at me again. Now, if I understand what 
your message says, and I did read all that this time, I don't believe that you 
can change this. I have been trying to change this since 2011. It sounds like 
you are seeing the control m followed by the control Jay. If you ever figure 
out how to do this, please let me know because I have been trying to get rid of 
them also. Whenever I do use my Mac with the braille display, I have just 
learned to ignore it.

 The only program that I have found that gets rid of them is in Bard mobile 
whenever you read a BRF file. I seem to remember that you said you didn't find 
it in pages, and if that's true, I believe that may be something new. The last 
time I tried to use pages with the braille display writing just texted not a 
table, I saw the same control characters.

Gigi Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 5:25 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 GG,
  
 Did you read my message in its entirety?  With all due respect, the issue has 
 not the slightest thing to do with the display not being recognized.  That's 
 not even remotely! close to the problem I'm having, and the display has 
 already been detached.  It was never attached in the first place.
  
 If it had been, I wouldn't have been able to use it effectively in the first 
 regard.
  
 Please go back and re-read my msg again from beginning to end.  I'm not 
 trying to be rude purposely, if that's how I'm coning across, but it just 
 seems strange that you'd write this when detaching it is no different than 
 having a guitarest drive a yellow pokodotted motocycle through a swimming 
 pool... in other words, I don't comprehend the rellavence, especially being 
 it's already done, and has been so from the start.
  
 Please don't read between the lines!  I'm extremely grateful for your effort 
 to help.  I just don't see the connection.
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: Eugenia Firth
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:15 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 Hi there 
 You need to take the braille display off the PacMate. Look under itand find 
 the release key. This should result in taking the braille display off the 
 PacMate, at least it does on BX PacMate. Then you need a USB cable, and you 
 can plug the USB cable into the braille display and the other end into the 
 Mac. Hopefully, when you do this, VoiceOver will recognize the PacMate 
 display. It did the last time I plugged in a PacMate display. It better 
 because I still have one that I want to use in an emergency. It doesn’t do 
 Bluetooth, by the way, so forget it on an iOS device. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:49 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
 clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So is 
 my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 
 40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's 
 only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled  the EFI firmware 
 update that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, 
 although, even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this 
 issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
  
 The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, 
 or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout 
 the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the 
 display.
  
 So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
  
 Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return 
 to make a new line.
  
 Then on the next line of text, I write:  
 My name is Chris.
  
 OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
 uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
 nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
 strange:
  
 ,hello1 my n is ,*ris4
  
 However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see the 
 letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 

Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!

2015-07-21 Thread David Chittenden
I heard once that there is, but I do not know anything more. I consider it a 
rumor which I have not researched. Unfortunately, that is all I know at this 
time.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 22 Jul 2015, at 12:00, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 OK, David, let's approach this differently, as you still may could help.
  
 Is there a way to modify/create braille tables on the Mac?  If so, where'd we 
 go to look and see if indeed your theory regarding the braille table is 
 correct?  I couldn't begin to imagine how this would have happened, but I 
 suppose anything's possible.
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: David Chittenden
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:49 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 My apologies, I read your original message to mean that a different display 
 did not have the same issues. If it was the same display, the problem is 
 specific to your Mac. I would consider the braille translation tables. 
 Perhaps your table is somehow set to display end-of-line / linefeed 
 characters. Sorry, I do not know how to modify the braille tables.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jul 2015, at 10:19, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Wait a minute though David.
  
 Why then if that is the case was Ben able to get this thing to not exhibit 
 that behavior on his macbook, with identically the same configuration, and 
 the same OS?  Not just the same OS, mind you, but the exact same build, 
 even.  I hear what you're saying, but that still doesn't appear to answer my 
 question... or... does it?
  
 Chris.
  
 - Original Message -
 From: David Chittenden
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Weirdest thing ever! with refreshable braille display!
 
 It is probably the braille display. As the original model, it does not have 
 any updated firmware drivers built-in to it, and it has not been supported 
 for several years.
 
 David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
 Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
 Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 22 Jul 2015, at 08:49, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Guys,
  
 I swear to God I'm about ready to pull my f***ing hair out over here!  So 
 is my friend.
  
 I never ever have ever used a braille display before.  My friend who flew 
 down to visit with me for a few weeks brought along with him a Packmate QX 
 40 original USB braille display.  This is not the up to date display.  It's 
 only the classic model.  He got it in 2004 if that helps.
  
 I have plugged it into my I5 Mac Mini Late 2012 system, running Yosemite 
 10.10.4.  This is not a public beta or the like.  This is the official 
 available up to date release.  I have also pulled the EFI firmware update 
 that just came down on July the 15th, if that makes any difference, 
 although, even before doing so, I still saw this issue.
  
 I have disabled all the status cells, and am using contracted braille, 
 therefore causing dot 7 8 braille to be disabled.
  
 In my Voiceover Utility, (VO+F8,) I have disabled the showing of the 
 Voiceover Cursor, although even when turned on, I'm still noticing this 
 issue.
  
 I've reset Voiceover to all default settings, and even have imported my 
 friend's Voiceover settings from his macbook which did absolutely no good.
  
 The issue is that when I go into Text Edit, and create either a rich text, 
 or a plain txt document, either/or, which has carriage returns throughout 
 the file, I'm literally seeing the physical carriage return code on the 
 display.
  
 So, for instance, say I open up Text Edit, and type the following:
  
 Hello, then after the letter o in hello is typed, I immediately hit return 
 to make a new line.
  
 Then on the next line of text, I write: 
 My name is Chris.
  
 OK, if you're reading this with a braille display currently, and you are in 
 uncontracted braille, let me type out literally what you'll see.  Note to 
 nonbraille display users, the following line of text is going to look very 
 strange:
  
 ,hello1 my n is ,*ris4
  
 However, after the low d, (dots 2, 5, and 6,) for the period sign, I see 
 the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5,) plus in that same cell, dots 7 and 8.  
 Just to further! wackid things up, as if that isn't odd enough, if I move 
 the literal text edit insertion point to the end of the first line of text 
 with command+up arrow, followed by command+right arrow, that j+dots 7 and 8 
 now turns into two cells.  Both have dots 7 8 under them.  Basically, now, 
 instead of just a letter j, I now see m, (dots 1, 3, and 4,) followed by 
 the letter j, (dots 2, 4, and 5.) 
  
 So in other words, instead of seeing:
  
 Hello
 My name is Chris.
  
 I see:
  

Re: slightly OT: posting Youtube comments using Safari and VO on Mac?

2015-07-21 Thread Alex Hall
That's just it though, I don't see anywhere to make a comment. I'm on the video 
page (it's not mine, it's from someone else) but I see no way of adding a 
comment. I'm logged in, so that shouldn't be a problem.
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Ray Foret Jr rforet7...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I seem to recall that what you need to do, after you've made each video and 
 uplodaded it, you can click where you'd normally make a comment, and then, 
 there should be a button near by that let's you choose a video to add.  Could 
 be wrong as it's been a while since I've bothered.
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:05 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 To enter a contest, I have to post a comment on each of three videos on 
 Youtube. I can see the comments others have posted, and I can see buttons to 
 like and all that, but I can't figure out how to post my own comment. Is 
 there a trick to this? Something I can do a text search for? Is the button 
 or text field hiding somewhere strange? Any help would be great. Thanks in 
 advance.
 
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question about update

2015-07-21 Thread gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net
Hello,

When I turn on my macbook air it asks:
automatically update ios 10?
Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I updated.
Thanks,
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Re: question about update

2015-07-21 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Huh?

I O S 10?  Are you sure?  Not meaning to be rude, but I thought I O S 9 wasn't 
even out yet, and was still only in public beta, let alone! I O S 10, which 
I've heard absolutely nothing about.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 7:54 AM
  Subject: question about update


  Hello,

  When I turn on my macbook air it asks:
  automatically update ios 10?
  Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I updated.
  Thanks,
  Rena

  http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
  Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal


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Re: Question about safari

2015-07-21 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Rena,

VO-u opens the Web Rotor. Where did you see this list of commands saying that 
VO-u opens a list of links? That used to be the case before the Web Rotor 
existed, so your list of commands must be very out of date.
Have you tried VO-u again and tried navigating right to see what you find?
Also, for a complete list of VO commands, press VO-h-h. You can also test any 
command you think you know by opening Keyboard Help (VO-k) and pressing the 
keys for the command. You will hear what it does.

Cheers,

Anne


 On 20 Jul 2015, at 21:19, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
 
 Anne, I’m confused. I read in a list of commands that VO u gives a lit of 
 links. When I was in safari and I hit VO u, I saw only links. However, you 
 say:
 VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page.
 Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something.
  
 http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
 Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
  
 From: Anne Robertson mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:35 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about safari
  
 Hello Rena,
  
 VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page that you’ve 
 chosen to show under Web Rotor in the VoiceOver Utility. Having done VO-u, 
 you can go right or left to select the list you want.
 To get the numbers of all the links, headings etc on the page, press 
 VO-Shift-i for Web page statistics.
  
 VO-i is the Item Chooser and can be used in any application to locate an item 
 by typing a few letters.
  
 Cheers,
  
 Anne
  
  
 On 20 Jul 2015, at 15:10, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
  
 Hello,
  
 I entered Safari and I hit VO u to see all the links. So far it’s the only 
 thing I know to do in Safari. I understand that there are other commands to 
 see all the lists, tables, etc. My question is: in Windows I can see links, 
 tables, buttons, etc. altogether. Is it possible to see the same in the mac? 
 To see all the links, etc. only is optional?
 Thank you,
 Rena
  
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The Moodle interface and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread Georgina Joyce
Hello All,

I’m considering an online course that uses something called the moodle. I 
wondered if anyone had come across this interface and how VO managed it either 
via a iMac or mobile device?

Your report of your experiences would be most useful.

Thanks.

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Re: The Moodle interface and VoiceOver

2015-07-21 Thread Matthew Dierckens
Good morning Gina,
I use this for my assistive technology certification course last year. The 
interface is quite accessible with voiceover on the Mac at least. It seemed 
pretty accessible on the phone as well. Good luck with your online course, 
hopefully you won't run into too many disability barriers.

Matt Dierckens
Certified Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
U.S. Phone: 5734011018
Sent from my iPhone

 On Jul 21, 2015, at 09:31, Georgina Joyce g...@gena-j.me.uk wrote:
 
 Hello All,
 
 I’m considering an online course that uses something called the moodle. I 
 wondered if anyone had come across this interface and how VO managed it 
 either via a iMac or mobile device?
 
 Your report of your experiences would be most useful.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Gena
 
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Re: Question about safari

2015-07-21 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Rena,

What level of Mac OS X are you running?
VO-u opens the Web Rotor.
VO-i opens the Item Chooser.
VO-Shift-i reads the web page statistics.

When you did VO-u, you should have navigated to the right or left to find other 
lists of items.
Another thing that comes to mind is that you have Quick Nav activated. Try 
pressing on the left and right arrow keys at the same time to see if Quick Nav 
was on or off.

Cheers,

Anne


 On 21 Jul 2015, at 14:45, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
 
 Anne, it’s very possible that my list of commands is outdated, but when I hit 
 VO u, it showed me only links.
 Also, when I asked to the list, someone wrote:
 what you are referring to is called the item chooser. You activate it with VO 
 plus I. That will give a listing of every element on the page be a static 
 text links, tables, buttons, etc.
 Perhaps I misunderstood some answers, but I find your answer different to 
 others, and I am confused.
  
 http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
 Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal
  
 From: Anne Robertson mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk
 Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:25 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about safari
  
 Hello Rena,
  
 VO-u opens the Web Rotor. Where did you see this list of commands saying that 
 VO-u opens a list of links? That used to be the case before the Web Rotor 
 existed, so your list of commands must be very out of date.
 Have you tried VO-u again and tried navigating right to see what you find?
 Also, for a complete list of VO commands, press VO-h-h. You can also test any 
 command you think you know by opening Keyboard Help (VO-k) and pressing the 
 keys for the command. You will hear what it does.
  
 Cheers,
  
 Anne
  
  
 On 20 Jul 2015, at 21:19, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
  
 Anne, I’m confused. I read in a list of commands that VO u gives a lit of 
 links. When I was in safari and I hit VO u, I saw only links. However, you 
 say:
 VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page.
 Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something.
  
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 From: Anne Robertson mailto:a...@anarchie.org.uk
 Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:35 PM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Question about safari
  
 Hello Rena,
  
 VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page that 
 you’ve chosen to show under Web Rotor in the VoiceOver Utility. Having done 
 VO-u, you can go right or left to select the list you want.
 To get the numbers of all the links, headings etc on the page, press 
 VO-Shift-i for Web page statistics.
  
 VO-i is the Item Chooser and can be used in any application to locate an 
 item by typing a few letters.
  
 Cheers,
  
 Anne
  
  
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 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net 
 mailto:gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
  
 Hello,
  
 I entered Safari and I hit VO u to see all the links. So far it’s the only 
 thing I know to do in Safari. I understand that there are other commands to 
 see all the lists, tables, etc. My question is: in Windows I can see links, 
 tables, buttons, etc. altogether. Is it possible to see the same in the 
 mac? To see all the links, etc. only is optional?
 Thank you,
 Rena
  
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Re: question about update

2015-07-21 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there 
I guess it depends on whether you want the latest update ASAP when it comes 
out. I keep my Mac updated, even if I pay for it later. That way, if there 
needs to be changes to anything related to VoiceOver, I can provide information 
to Apple. I think you just made a typing mistake when you said IOS. If it was 
your MacBookAir that said that, then it is under OSX 10 point something or 
other. 

Gigi 

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 gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:
 
 Hello,
  
 When I turn on my macbook air it asks:
 automatically update ios 10?
 Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
 days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I updated.
 Thanks,
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RE: question about update

2015-07-21 Thread george b
Christifer,

I am doing the beta of mac os and did a reinstall of my system where would I 
find the mt xxx install for the beta

 

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On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 05:03
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question about update

 

Huh?

 

I O S 10?  Are you sure?  Not meaning to be rude, but I thought I O S 9 wasn't 
even out yet, and was still only in public beta, let alone! I O S 10, which 
I've heard absolutely nothing about.

 

Chris.

 

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Subject: question about update

 

Hello,

 

When I turn on my macbook air it asks:

automatically update ios 10?

Should I answer yes? If so, how? I hit VO space, but nothing happens. A few 
days ago it said that there were some updates. I went to store and I updated.

Thanks,

Rena

 

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Re: Question about safari

2015-07-21 Thread gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net
Anne, it’s very possible that my list of commands is outdated, but when I hit 
VO u, it showed me only links.
Also, when I asked to the list, someone wrote:
what you are referring to is called the item chooser. You activate it with VO 
plus I. That will give a listing of every element on the page be a static text 
links, tables, buttons, etc. 
Perhaps I misunderstood some answers, but I find your answer different to 
others, and I am confused.

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From: Anne Robertson 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 8:25 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Question about safari

Hello Rena,

VO-u opens the Web Rotor. Where did you see this list of commands saying that 
VO-u opens a list of links? That used to be the case before the Web Rotor 
existed, so your list of commands must be very out of date.
Have you tried VO-u again and tried navigating right to see what you find?
Also, for a complete list of VO commands, press VO-h-h. You can also test any 
command you think you know by opening Keyboard Help (VO-k) and pressing the 
keys for the command. You will hear what it does.

Cheers,

Anne


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gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

  Anne, I’m confused. I read in a list of commands that VO u gives a lit of 
links. When I was in safari and I hit VO u, I saw only links. However, you say:
  VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page.
  Perhaps I’m misunderstanding something.

  http://www.greenpathtowellness.com/
  Author of Dear Suzie, Rivers Of Light and Annie's Journal


  From: Anne Robertson 
  Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 2:35 PM
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Question about safari

  Hello Rena,

  VO-u gives you lists of all the types of elements on the web page that you’ve 
chosen to show under Web Rotor in the VoiceOver Utility. Having done VO-u, you 
can go right or left to select the list you want.
  To get the numbers of all the links, headings etc on the page, press 
VO-Shift-i for Web page statistics.

  VO-i is the Item Chooser and can be used in any application to locate an item 
by typing a few letters.

  Cheers,

  Anne


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gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Hello,

I entered Safari and I hit VO u to see all the links. So far it’s the only 
thing I know to do in Safari. I understand that there are other commands to see 
all the lists, tables, etc. My question is: in Windows I can see links, tables, 
buttons, etc. altogether. Is it possible to see the same in the mac? To see all 
the links, etc. only is optional?
Thank you,
Rena

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For 

deezer, was Re: Apple Music

2015-07-21 Thread Piotr Machacz
Slight correction, Deezer does in fact have a mac client, look it up on 
Applevis. It was the thing that prompted me to try it in the first place as 
well as a promotion they ran in Poland in June. It’s a very simple app, but 
that’s what makes it very good. 99% of it is all native OS X controls, the only 
thing that’s a web view is your recommendation feed. The only thing that could 
be a problem to some on this list is that, even though they’re available in I 
think over a hundred countries, the US isn’t one of them. Well, sort of, 
because if you’re in the US you can only sign up for Deezer if you got a Sonos 
speaker and then you get their lossless flac plan. For everyone else, there’s a 
free tear that gives you unlimited listening with some ads at 128KBPS, and the 
mobile app will only let you start either your flow or artist mix, searching 
for specific tracks is only possible on desktop IE the Mac app. Then you can 
pay about 5 euros a month for premium that lets you listen at 320 kbps, you get 
unlimited skipping, offline downloads and you can play your playlists and 
search in the mobile app.

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 Deezer is the same type of streaming app like Apple Music and Spotify. Not 
 for mac though. IOS and Android and Sonos and probably other streaming 
 hardware devices.Can stream lossless cd quality if you subscribe for that. 
 Seems to work very well with voice over on IOS devices. If the Sonos app for 
 mac had been more accessible with voice over, many could use it on mac via 
 Sonos connect streaming box.
 
 Take care
 
 21. juli 2015 kl. 00:10 skrev Joshua Tubbs ori...@icloud.com:
 
 If I may ask, what is Deezer? Never heard of it.
 
 On Jul 20, 2015, at 2:51 PM, deedra waters dee...@the-brannons.com wrote:
 
 I can’t help accept to agree with you about apple music compared to the 
 others
 you can’t add artists to anything as far as i can tell it’s got to be added 
 album by album
 
 deedra waters
 dee...@the-brannons.com
 
 
 
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 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 One good thing about Apple Music compare to the competition is that it 
 plays more albums from each artist. For example, Boz Scaggs song - Thanks 
 To You from the album - The Essential Boz Scaggs. A beautiful song. Can not 
 play this song in Deezer. Neither Tidal. There are more artists like 
 Metallica. This is a hugh advantage. Probably because of the drm in Apple 
 Music.
 
 Apple Music is more difficult to use than the competition. Go figure. Its 
 faster with Deezer to add artists in library for example.
 
 Is there a favorite button hidden somewhere in iTunes and IOS music, that 
 adds artists in library after hitting the artist name after serch result 
 for the first time? So many commands before adding artist it looks like. 
 Maybe this will be fixed later. I am sure i saw some options settings 
 somewhere in iTunes Apple Music on mac, but it is gone, can’t find it again.
 
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