Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 23, 2017 at 12:59 AM Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Do all cpaps require those funky nasal pillows? They  make my nostrils so
> sore that I need a day to heal.

They require a mask.
Some, like my dad, require a full face mask that covers both mouth and nose. 
I might have ended up with one if I hadn't been able to lower the pressure on 
my machine, as originally prescribed it could break my soft palate and force 
air in my nose and out my mouth while wearing a nasal mask. 
Then there's the old fashioned nasal mask that covers the nose. 
And lastly, the new nasal pillows mask that covers the nostrils.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Do all cpaps require those funky nasal pillows? They  make my nostrils so
sore that I need a day to heal.

On Aug 23, 2017 12:36 AM, "archer75--- via Mercedes" 
wrote:

FWIW: Here is the history of PPB (positive pressure breathing) with
excerpts:

snip...Over the past 40 years we have developed a greater understanding of
the mechanisms and consequences of VILI (Figure 7). We understand that the
key variable is not airway pressure per se, as elegantly demonstrated by
Bouhuys in studies of musicians playing musical instruments (Figure 8)
(24), but was due to overdistension of the lung as demonstrated by Dreyfuss
and Saumon, who suggested the term volutrauma to highlight that it was not
the absolute airway pressures per se that were important, but the
overdistension (25)...snip

Snip...In 1997, we identified a mechanism of injury that we called
biotrauma (i.e., the biological consequences associated with mechanical
ventilation) (26, 27). We showed that injurious forms of ventilation (i.e.,
those that promote atelectrauma or overdistension) could lead to release of
mediators in the lung. Coupled with the increased permeability due to the
underlying disease being treated (e.g., ARDS) or the increased permeability
caused by overdistension, mechanical ventilation could lead to
translocation of mediators, bacteria, or endotoxin into the systemic
circulation (27, 28). This in turn could cause end-organ dysfunction distal
to the lung (e.g., kidneys) and lead to multiorgan failure (Figure 9) (29).
This mechanism could explain the fact that most patients with ARDS who die
do so not because of hypoxemia but because of multiorgan failure...snip

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0421PP
~~
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin
> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base
pressure range of some sort and it adjusts from there?

Mitch Haley wrote:
 "Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping
around locally?
> >
> > I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and
the insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start
with.
> > If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund
if what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than
what you prepaid.
> >
> > The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob
walks in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and
expect him to pay it.
> >
> > I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and
Hypoapnea in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your
AHI (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour).
> >
> > Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

FWIW: Here is the history of PPB (positive pressure breathing) with  excerpts:

snip...Over the past 40 years we have developed a greater understanding of the 
mechanisms and consequences of VILI (Figure 7). We understand that the key 
variable is not airway pressure per se, as elegantly demonstrated by Bouhuys in 
studies of musicians playing musical instruments (Figure 8) (24), but was due 
to overdistension of the lung as demonstrated by Dreyfuss and Saumon, who 
suggested the term volutrauma to highlight that it was not the absolute airway 
pressures per se that were important, but the overdistension (25)...snip

Snip...In 1997, we identified a mechanism of injury that we called biotrauma 
(i.e., the biological consequences associated with mechanical ventilation) (26, 
27). We showed that injurious forms of ventilation (i.e., those that promote 
atelectrauma or overdistension) could lead to release of mediators in the lung. 
Coupled with the increased permeability due to the underlying disease being 
treated (e.g., ARDS) or the increased permeability caused by overdistension, 
mechanical ventilation could lead to translocation of mediators, bacteria, or 
endotoxin into the systemic circulation (27, 28). This in turn could cause 
end-organ dysfunction distal to the lung (e.g., kidneys) and lead to multiorgan 
failure (Figure 9) (29). This mechanism could explain the fact that most 
patients with ARDS who die do so not because of hypoxemia but because of 
multiorgan failure...snip

http://www.atsjournals.org/doi/full/10.1164/rccm.201503-0421PP
~~
> From: Kaleb C. Striplin
> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base pressure 
> range of some sort and it adjusts from there?

Mitch Haley wrote:
 "Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
> >> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
> >> locally? 
> > 
> > I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and the 
> > insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start with. 
> > If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund if 
> > what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than what 
> > you prepaid. 
> > 
> > The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob walks 
> > in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and 
> > expect him to pay it. 
> > 
> > I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and 
> > Hypoapnea in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your 
> > AHI (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour). 
> > 
> > Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 22, 2017 at 11:22 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I saw somewhere that there is talk of requiring truckers to all been screened 
> for sleep apnea.

Maybe Craig can elaborate, but the current situation seems to be that if the 
subject comes up in your physical, the doctor may insist you be tested before 
signing your medical card. Then if you test positive, it's sort of a license 
condition, like my DL says corrective lenses required. 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I saw somewhere that there is talk of requiring truckers to all been screened 
for sleep apnea.

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 22, 2017 at 11:06 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yep. Wow did not realize they were this involved. Makes sense I guess.
> 
> 
> It's great for truckers who have Apnea as a condition on their medical card. 
> (at least for the ones who don't refuse to treat their apnea)
> They just buy the machine through their employer and the employer gets the 
> daily downloads just like your DME gets yours. (on the rental contracts, the 
> DME has to track compliance to keep getting the rent payments from the 
> insurer)
> 
> I was so glad to be able to get a decent night's sleep for the first time in 
> a decade that compliance isn't a problem with me. I've had one night I slept 
> less than four hours, one night I was so stuffed up I couldn't wear it, and 
> one night I was reading in bed and forgot to put it on, so my compliance rate 
> is just under 99%.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 22, 2017 at 11:06 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yep. Wow did not realize they were this involved. Makes sense I guess.


It's great for truckers who have Apnea as a condition on their medical card. 
(at least for the ones who don't refuse to treat their apnea)
They just buy the machine through their employer and the employer gets the 
daily downloads just like your DME gets yours. (on the rental contracts, the 
DME has to track compliance to keep getting the rent payments from the insurer)

I was so glad to be able to get a decent night's sleep for the first time in a 
decade that compliance isn't a problem with me. I've had one night I slept less 
than four hours, one night I was so stuffed up I couldn't wear it, and one 
night I was reading in bed and forgot to put it on, so my compliance rate is 
just under 99%.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep. Wow did not realize they were this involved. Makes sense I guess.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 22, 2017 at 10:21 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ok I set this up. It's got a signal bar at the top but I don't know what 
>> it's connected to. I did not connect it to my wifi
> 
> Probably Verizon. The internal modem is CDMA. 
> 
> Is there a sticker on it directing you to myair.resmed.com or similar?
> That's where you can register with Resmed so they know whose medical data the 
> machine is sending them, and so you can read pretty much the same thing 
> online as the display on the machine now tells you. 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 22, 2017 at 10:21 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok I set this up. It's got a signal bar at the top but I don't know what it's 
> connected to. I did not connect it to my wifi

Probably Verizon. The internal modem is CDMA. 

Is there a sticker on it directing you to myair.resmed.com or similar?
That's where you can register with Resmed so they know whose medical data the 
machine is sending them, and so you can read pretty much the same thing online 
as the display on the machine now tells you. 

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok I set this up. It's got a signal bar at the top but I don't know what it's 
connected to. I did not connect it to my wifi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Press and hold the home button under the display, and the round knob to the 
> right of the display. After a while, it'll enter clinical setup (don't mess 
> with the clinical settings, I just want you to fix the display setting).
> 
> Go into settings, rotate the knob to scroll way down until you get to 
> Essentials under Options. Press the knob to enter Essentials, and switch it 
> from On to Plus. Now hit the home button, turn the knob to scroll up to exit 
> clinical menu, press the knob, and you should be back at the normal home 
> screen. Now you've set it to display plus data instead of the minimum data 
> they think is essential. 
> 
> This way, in the morning you can look at the display to see the most recent 
> night's AHI instead of logging into ResMed's web site to get it after waiting 
> for your machine to phone home.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes it supposed to go back with 31 to 90 days.

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 8:08 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 22, 2017 at 8:07 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I checked the paperwork here and it says 9-15cm epr3
> 
> Ok, so your doc is using the Exhale Pressure Relief, or in other words it's 
> set up to work like a Bi-PAP instead of a CPAP. For me, EPR=2 didn't feel 
> like it was helping any, and EPR=3 felt strange and distracted me. So, when 
> you first go to sleep, it should be running at 6cm of water column for exhale 
> pressure and 9cm inhale, and if it detects a problem with your breathing (or 
> an air leak) it'll increase pressure as necessary. 
> 
> I've heard of people (probably nobody who had a 2nd study to determine 
> pressures) that received a prescription of 5-20cm, or in other words, "I 
> don't have any idea what pressure this patient needs so I'll give the machine 
> free reign". Fortunately, neither my doc or your doc use an AutoPAP as a 
> substitute for writing a proper Rx. 
> 
> Are you supposed to go back in 3-6 months so your Dr can review the 
> effectiveness of your APAP usage? Mine did a follow-up in 90 days. 
> 
> Mitch
> 
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[MBZ] ML trailer wiring

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I'm done I'll post a complete how-to, but I still have to do one final 
thing: send some battery positive to the trailer light control box. (actually, 
I'd prefer ignition switched positive in case the thing has parasitic current 
draw when sitting idle)

I decided to use the 12v aux power (lighter socket) outlet in the right rear of 
the cargo area. I think this is far superior to running a wire under the car to 
the battery, as a pro installer did in a video I watched. The socket is fused 
for 20A, which shouldn't be a problem unless I play a CPU intensive video game 
on a 17" Laptop while a trailer is plugged in with the headlights and hazard 
lights on. 

The question is, how do I get to the hot wire for that outlet?
Is there a non-destructive way to remove the outlet from the trim panel, tap 
into the wire, and reinstall, or do I need to remove the entire panel? 

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 22, 2017 at 8:07 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I checked the paperwork here and it says 9-15cm epr3

Ok, so your doc is using the Exhale Pressure Relief, or in other words it's set 
up to work like a Bi-PAP instead of a CPAP. For me, EPR=2 didn't feel like it 
was helping any, and EPR=3 felt strange and distracted me. So, when you first 
go to sleep, it should be running at 6cm of water column for exhale pressure 
and 9cm inhale, and if it detects a problem with your breathing (or an air 
leak) it'll increase pressure as necessary. 

I've heard of people (probably nobody who had a 2nd study to determine 
pressures) that received a prescription of 5-20cm, or in other words, "I don't 
have any idea what pressure this patient needs so I'll give the machine free 
reign". Fortunately, neither my doc or your doc use an AutoPAP as a substitute 
for writing a proper Rx. 

Are you supposed to go back in 3-6 months so your Dr can review the 
effectiveness of your APAP usage? Mine did a follow-up in 90 days. 

Mitch

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Mine is just plain air but I think some of them have supplemental o2

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 7:29 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Are these machines pushing plain air or oxygen. or air minus the nitrogen
> (oxygen concentrators)?
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> I checked the paperwork here and it says 9-15cm epr3
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know what your Rx is, but to give an example, mine was set to
>> ramp up from a pressure of 5.0, then after ramping it would run from
>> 9.0-12.0 as needed. You can set it to ramp a specific number of minutes
>> after you turn it on, or have it sense when you go to sleep and ramp up
>> when you're asleep.
>>> The 9-12 range was determined in my sleep study. 5 is pretty much the
>> minimum pressure for these, if you get below 4 or 5 it feels like the
>> machine is restricting your breathing, so my Dr had it set to run at 5
>> until I fell asleep. My Dr didn't specify BiPAP mode which lets you exhale
>> at a lower pressure than you inhale, I enabled that mode once and it felt
>> like the machine was trying to tell me when to breathe. Maybe if my
>> pressure was 15 I'd want pressure relief when exhaling.
>>> 
>>> Brianna told me I snored less the night after the sleep study,
>> apparently one night with the machine at the sleep center helped open my
>> breathing passages.
>>> After a few months on it, I found I can run it at 7.0 and it virtually
>> eliminates my apnea, but 7 didn't stop my apnea the night of my study.
>>> Now that I'm used to it, 7 feels like nothing, so there's no point in
>> trying to get the pressure lower than that.
>>> 
>>> If you download SleepyHead, you can stick the memory card in your
>> computer and see what pressures it runs through the night. They say to
>> write protect your card before sticking it in a computer and backing up the
>> data on it. If your OS likes to write stupid indexing files on the card
>> without asking, or altering the directory structure, not flipping the write
>> switch on the card might make it useless in the CPAP machine.
>>> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sleepyhead/
>>> 
>>> For me, I'd see it run up to 12 when I caused a leak, then stay at 12
>> for 15-20 minutes before slowing backing down to where it belonged. I found
>> it worked better (for me) to just give it a tight range, like 7-8, or even
>> 7-7 once I found out that 7 was my best pressure. I think it's a software
>> flaw to have it run the pressure to the top of its allowed range when you
>> have a mask leak. That reminds me, I have to see about getting fitted for
>> the pillows and see if I knock the mask loose less often with a smaller
>> mask.
>>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Are these machines pushing plain air or oxygen. or air minus the nitrogen
(oxygen concentrators)?

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I checked the paperwork here and it says 9-15cm epr3
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know what your Rx is, but to give an example, mine was set to
> ramp up from a pressure of 5.0, then after ramping it would run from
> 9.0-12.0 as needed. You can set it to ramp a specific number of minutes
> after you turn it on, or have it sense when you go to sleep and ramp up
> when you're asleep.
> > The 9-12 range was determined in my sleep study. 5 is pretty much the
> minimum pressure for these, if you get below 4 or 5 it feels like the
> machine is restricting your breathing, so my Dr had it set to run at 5
> until I fell asleep. My Dr didn't specify BiPAP mode which lets you exhale
> at a lower pressure than you inhale, I enabled that mode once and it felt
> like the machine was trying to tell me when to breathe. Maybe if my
> pressure was 15 I'd want pressure relief when exhaling.
> >
> > Brianna told me I snored less the night after the sleep study,
> apparently one night with the machine at the sleep center helped open my
> breathing passages.
> > After a few months on it, I found I can run it at 7.0 and it virtually
> eliminates my apnea, but 7 didn't stop my apnea the night of my study.
> > Now that I'm used to it, 7 feels like nothing, so there's no point in
> trying to get the pressure lower than that.
> >
> > If you download SleepyHead, you can stick the memory card in your
> computer and see what pressures it runs through the night. They say to
> write protect your card before sticking it in a computer and backing up the
> data on it. If your OS likes to write stupid indexing files on the card
> without asking, or altering the directory structure, not flipping the write
> switch on the card might make it useless in the CPAP machine.
> > https://sourceforge.net/projects/sleepyhead/
> >
> > For me, I'd see it run up to 12 when I caused a leak, then stay at 12
> for 15-20 minutes before slowing backing down to where it belonged. I found
> it worked better (for me) to just give it a tight range, like 7-8, or even
> 7-7 once I found out that 7 was my best pressure. I think it's a software
> flaw to have it run the pressure to the top of its allowed range when you
> have a mask leak. That reminds me, I have to see about getting fitted for
> the pillows and see if I knock the mask loose less often with a smaller
> mask.
> > Mitch.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I checked the paperwork here and it says 9-15cm epr3

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I don't know what your Rx is, but to give an example, mine was set to ramp up 
> from a pressure of 5.0, then after ramping it would run from 9.0-12.0 as 
> needed. You can set it to ramp a specific number of minutes after you turn it 
> on, or have it sense when you go to sleep and ramp up when you're asleep. 
> The 9-12 range was determined in my sleep study. 5 is pretty much the minimum 
> pressure for these, if you get below 4 or 5 it feels like the machine is 
> restricting your breathing, so my Dr had it set to run at 5 until I fell 
> asleep. My Dr didn't specify BiPAP mode which lets you exhale at a lower 
> pressure than you inhale, I enabled that mode once and it felt like the 
> machine was trying to tell me when to breathe. Maybe if my pressure was 15 
> I'd want pressure relief when exhaling. 
> 
> Brianna told me I snored less the night after the sleep study, apparently one 
> night with the machine at the sleep center helped open my breathing passages. 
> After a few months on it, I found I can run it at 7.0 and it virtually 
> eliminates my apnea, but 7 didn't stop my apnea the night of my study.
> Now that I'm used to it, 7 feels like nothing, so there's no point in trying 
> to get the pressure lower than that. 
> 
> If you download SleepyHead, you can stick the memory card in your computer 
> and see what pressures it runs through the night. They say to write protect 
> your card before sticking it in a computer and backing up the data on it. If 
> your OS likes to write stupid indexing files on the card without asking, or 
> altering the directory structure, not flipping the write switch on the card 
> might make it useless in the CPAP machine. 
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/sleepyhead/
> 
> For me, I'd see it run up to 12 when I caused a leak, then stay at 12 for 
> 15-20 minutes before slowing backing down to where it belonged. I found it 
> worked better (for me) to just give it a tight range, like 7-8, or even 7-7 
> once I found out that 7 was my best pressure. I think it's a software flaw to 
> have it run the pressure to the top of its allowed range when you have a mask 
> leak. That reminds me, I have to see about getting fitted for the pillows and 
> see if I knock the mask loose less often with a smaller mask. 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok that is what I was wondering 

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe that the upper and lower limits are set by the vendor to match the 
> prescription, then the machine automatically adjusts the pressure to prevent 
> apnea events by raising pressure when it detects an event.
> 
> Greg
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:39 PM
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> Cc: Kaleb C. Striplin
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store
> 
> So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base pressure 
> range of some sort and it adjusts from there?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On August 22, 2017 at 6:28 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
>>> locally? 
>> 
>> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and the 
>> insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start with. 
>> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund if 
>> what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than what 
>> you prepaid. 
>> 
>> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob walks 
>> in without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and expect 
>> him to pay it. 
>> 
>> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and Hypoapnea 
>> in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your AHI 
>> (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour). 
>> 
>> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I don't know what your Rx is, but to give an example, mine was set to ramp up 
from a pressure of 5.0, then after ramping it would run from 9.0-12.0 as 
needed. You can set it to ramp a specific number of minutes after you turn it 
on, or have it sense when you go to sleep and ramp up when you're asleep. 
The 9-12 range was determined in my sleep study. 5 is pretty much the minimum 
pressure for these, if you get below 4 or 5 it feels like the machine is 
restricting your breathing, so my Dr had it set to run at 5 until I fell 
asleep. My Dr didn't specify BiPAP mode which lets you exhale at a lower 
pressure than you inhale, I enabled that mode once and it felt like the machine 
was trying to tell me when to breathe. Maybe if my pressure was 15 I'd want 
pressure relief when exhaling. 

Brianna told me I snored less the night after the sleep study, apparently one 
night with the machine at the sleep center helped open my breathing passages. 
After a few months on it, I found I can run it at 7.0 and it virtually 
eliminates my apnea, but 7 didn't stop my apnea the night of my study.
Now that I'm used to it, 7 feels like nothing, so there's no point in trying to 
get the pressure lower than that. 

If you download SleepyHead, you can stick the memory card in your computer and 
see what pressures it runs through the night. They say to write protect your 
card before sticking it in a computer and backing up the data on it. If your OS 
likes to write stupid indexing files on the card without asking, or altering 
the directory structure, not flipping the write switch on the card might make 
it useless in the CPAP machine. 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/sleepyhead/

For me, I'd see it run up to 12 when I caused a leak, then stay at 12 for 15-20 
minutes before slowing backing down to where it belonged. I found it worked 
better (for me) to just give it a tight range, like 7-8, or even 7-7 once I 
found out that 7 was my best pressure. I think it's a software flaw to have it 
run the pressure to the top of its allowed range when you have a mask leak. 
That reminds me, I have to see about getting fitted for the pillows and see if 
I knock the mask loose less often with a smaller mask. 
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I believe that the upper and lower limits are set by the vendor to match the 
prescription, then the machine automatically adjusts the pressure to prevent 
apnea events by raising pressure when it detects an event.

Greg

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base pressure 
range of some sort and it adjusts from there?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 22, 2017 at 6:28 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
>> locally? 
> 
> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and the 
> insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start with. 
> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund if 
> what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than what 
> you prepaid. 
> 
> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob walks in 
> without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and expect him 
> to pay it. 
> 
> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and Hypoapnea 
> in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your AHI 
> (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour). 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So are these machine truly automatic or do they have to set a base pressure 
range of some sort and it adjusts from there?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:34 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On August 22, 2017 at 6:28 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
>> locally? 
> 
> I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and the 
> insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start with. 
> If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund if 
> what you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than what 
> you prepaid. 
> 
> The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob walks in 
> without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and expect him 
> to pay it. 
> 
> I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and Hypoapnea 
> in real time always ship from the factory set to not display your AHI 
> (Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour). 
> 
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 22, 2017 at 6:28 PM "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
> locally? 

I have no idea, but I suspect they all charge some inflated price and the 
insurance company knocks it down to what it should have been to start with. 
If the DME is in your insurance network, they should give you a refund if what 
you might owe on the EOB from your insurance company is less than what you 
prepaid. 

The entire medical world seems to work this way, then some poor slob walks in 
without insurance and they charge him $2800 for a $900 machine and expect him 
to pay it. 

I have no idea why Resmed's high end machines that sense Apnea and Hypoapnea in 
real time always ship from the factory set to not display your AHI 
(Apnea/Hypoapnea Index, or # of breathing disturbances per hour). 

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] '98 Porsche Boxster 5 speed on BAT

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> On August 22, 2017 at 2:04 AM Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:

> Sadly, I once re-educated a flock of crows, who seemed to have calibrated a
> nice for-70-mph liftoff from something tasty in the middle of the highway.
> It didn't work out so well for them at triple-digit speeds.

Was riding with my now-deceased great uncle about 10 years ago, couldn't have 
been going over 55 when a buzzard was slow to lift off, and Uncle Clyde gave it 
a helpful boost in the backside with his windshield. Didn't seem to harm the 
buzzard, but I bet it didn't push its luck that far when the next car came 
along. 

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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So how bad did I get screwed? Would I have saved much by shopping around 
locally? 

They did not mention anything about data logging and phoning home but I figured 
it did.

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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 5:22 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Press and hold the home button under the display, and the round knob to the 
> right of the display. After a while, it'll enter clinical setup (don't mess 
> with the clinical settings, I just want you to fix the display setting).
> 
> Go into settings, rotate the knob to scroll way down until you get to 
> Essentials under Options. Press the knob to enter Essentials, and switch it 
> from On to Plus. Now hit the home button, turn the knob to scroll up to exit 
> clinical menu, press the knob, and you should be back at the normal home 
> screen. Now you've set it to display plus data instead of the minimum data 
> they think is essential. 
> 
> This way, in the morning you can look at the display to see the most recent 
> night's AHI instead of logging into ResMed's web site to get it after waiting 
> for your machine to phone home.
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Re: [MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

Press and hold the home button under the display, and the round knob to the 
right of the display. After a while, it'll enter clinical setup (don't mess 
with the clinical settings, I just want you to fix the display setting).

Go into settings, rotate the knob to scroll way down until you get to 
Essentials under Options. Press the knob to enter Essentials, and switch it 
from On to Plus. Now hit the home button, turn the knob to scroll up to exit 
clinical menu, press the knob, and you should be back at the normal home 
screen. Now you've set it to display plus data instead of the minimum data they 
think is essential. 

This way, in the morning you can look at the display to see the most recent 
night's AHI instead of logging into ResMed's web site to get it after waiting 
for your machine to phone home.

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[MBZ] I get worked over at the cpap store

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

So I got the new top of the line resmed 10 automatic whatever and the pilliow 
mask. Copay was $508. They charged $2800 for this setup. I explained how this 
is the problem with health care and insurance in this country. I could go 
online to Amazon and buy the same machine for $489, or at an online cpap place 
for $889 or so. Make is $69 to $109, hose is $20. I wanted to just get on with 
it and be done and paid them their money.

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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nahh, it’s the flouridated water.

Dang it, the string in my leg just gave out.

-D



> On Aug 22, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Communists have infiltrated NASA stealing our precious bodily fluids 
> 
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

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Communists have infiltrated NASA stealing our precious bodily fluids 

--R
Sent from iPhone

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks like my speeds were in KPH, not MPH.  Servers me right for listening
> to a NASA video about the eclipse.
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> The sun revolves around the center of our galaxy. We are kinda out in the
>> suburbs on one arm of it so we're getting slung along pretty fast.
>> 
>> --R
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The sun probably revolves?
>>> Thanks for (re)introduction to REVOLVE and ROTATE.
>>> tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Looks like my speeds were in KPH, not MPH.  Servers me right for listening
to a NASA video about the eclipse.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> The sun revolves around the center of our galaxy. We are kinda out in the
> suburbs on one arm of it so we're getting slung along pretty fast.
>
> --R
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > The sun probably revolves?
> > Thanks for (re)introduction to REVOLVE and ROTATE.
> > tin.man
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz art deco-inspired electric car

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The designers live in Amsterdam 

--R
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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:39 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> http://inhabitat.com/mercedes-benz-unveils-stunning-art-deco-inspired-electric-car/
> 
> http://www.caranddriver.com/news/vision-mercedes-maybach-6-cabriolet-photos-and-info-news
> 
> Germany must have legalized pot. How about those "comfortable" looking seats?
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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

The sun revolves around the center of our galaxy. We are kinda out in the 
suburbs on one arm of it so we're getting slung along pretty fast. 

--R
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> On Aug 22, 2017, at 3:41 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The sun probably revolves?
> Thanks for (re)introduction to REVOLVE and ROTATE.
> tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> The moon REVOLVES about the earth (and the earth REVOLVES about the sun),
> the moon and earth ROTATE about their axes (and the moon is rotation-locked
> to the earth so it always presents the same face to the earth).

The sun probably revolves?
Thanks for (re)introduction to REVOLVE and ROTATE.
tin.man

>
> And actually earth rotation speed is about 1000mph (24 hours, 24000mi
> circumference).
>
> --R (The Pedant)
>
>
>
> On 8/22/17 1:10 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>> The Earth rotates at about 1700 mph at the equator, the moon orbits at
>> around 3400 mph in the same direction, so slightly faster, so the shadow
>> passes from west to east.
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Do the sun and moon rotate in different directions around the planet?
>>> The sun in this neighborhood rises in the east and sets in the west.
>>> The moon also rises in the east and sets in the west?
>>> Why did the eclipse totality go from west to east?
>>> ...yeah... duckduckgo
>>> tin.man
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[MBZ] Mercedes-Benz art deco-inspired electric car

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

> http://inhabitat.com/mercedes-benz-unveils-stunning-art-deco-inspired-electric-car/

http://www.caranddriver.com/news/vision-mercedes-maybach-6-cabriolet-photos-and-info-news

Germany must have legalized pot. How about those "comfortable" looking seats?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> I think if a utility is publicly owned, it should have to suffer...

Are there of this arrangement?  Is this system of public ownership and
regulatory oversight failing?  Are we United? or States? or Republic?
or Democracy?  Questions.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

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--R wrote:
> A perfect storm of incompetence and money and corruption.  What's not to
> like?

Well, a new word is liked.
Shall you guess which word?
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile

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The window regulators on these and models of similar vintage are prone to fail. 
 They use a really poorly designed regulator system that utilizes nylon pulleys 
with steel cables, and the pulleys fail from material fatigue over time and 
disintegrate, rendering the window unusable.

The W220s do it, too.

I would much rather have this car, but the owner has been huffing brake 
cleaner, methinks:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6261249754.html


-D

> On Aug 22, 2017, at 2:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I got to wonder how two windows get off track, and not fixed. Is the car
> that poorly made? Or were kids at work? Or play?
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I got to wonder how two windows get off track, and not fixed. Is the car
that poorly made? Or were kids at work? Or play?

On Aug 22, 2017 1:50 PM, "Rich Thomas via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> Shifter bushings?  Does that car have them similar to the 126s? Would the
> tranny be trashed or is it something simple?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 8/22/17 1:25 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6275160142.html
>>
>> No, I don’t need any project cars, thank you.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

The moon REVOLVES about the earth (and the earth REVOLVES about the 
sun), the moon and earth ROTATE about their axes (and the moon is 
rotation-locked to the earth so it always presents the same face to the 
earth).


And actually earth rotation speed is about 1000mph (24 hours, 24000mi 
circumference).


--R (The Pedant)


On 8/22/17 1:10 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote:

The Earth rotates at about 1700 mph at the equator, the moon orbits at
around 3400 mph in the same direction, so slightly faster, so the shadow
passes from west to east.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Do the sun and moon rotate in different directions around the planet?
The sun in this neighborhood rises in the east and sets in the west.
The moon also rises in the east and sets in the west?
Why did the eclipse totality go from west to east?
...yeah... duckduckgo
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Except when you have a Public Service Commission that is also wrapped up 
in the politicians, and the other oversight organs that are controlled 
by the politicians.  That is what happened here, the corruptocrats 
passed a law called the Base Load Review Act that basically put all risk 
on the ratepayers, and the PSC and other oversight orgs just 
rubber-stamped everything the utilities wanted (and their lobbyists 
called for) while tehe corruptocrats continued to collect their checks 
from the donors in the whole spectrum of utility execs and contractors, etc.


Just saw a blurb that the chosen reactor design (Westinghouse AP1000 I 
think it was) was basically unbuildable due to specifications that were 
generally unachievable by any sort of construction practices.  
(Westinghouse is bankrupt, I think Toshiba bought them, and Toshiba is 
teetering now too).


So these guys, some of whom admit they relied on whatever the lobbyists 
told them, are responsible for screwing the citizens bigtime, while also 
probably causing a collapse of a segment of the international economy.  
The utility execs were collecting big bonuses for their management of 
this whole sh**show, which makes sense because they did a great job for 
their stockholders (except for the state-owned utility, but they also 
unloaded huge risk per the elected idiots).


A perfect storm of incompetence and money and corruption.  What's not to 
like?


--R


On 8/22/17 1:32 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I think if a utility is publicly owned, it should have to suffer the same fate 
that any publicly held company does when they make bad choices.  Some might 
argue that this would put the public at risk, as we can’t have utility 
companies failing.  My response to that is that if they were responsible to 
their stockholders like any regular company was and knew that they couldn’t put 
their risky behavior on the backs of ratepayers, they would be far less likely 
to engage in said risky behavior.

Marble Hill was a perfect example of this.  PSI saw the writing on the wall 
years ahead of the damage, but rather than cut their losses when they could 
still handle it, they just pushed forward, snowballing the situation out of 
control.

-D




On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes  
wrote:

-D wrote:

That’s my problem with publicly owned utilities that the states regulate.

That doesn't sound political.
Tell us more about your "problem" and what is a better system.  Your
solution is not likely to happen, but... neither is a lot of things
DIY accomplishes.
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] Klebmobile

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Shifter bushings?  Does that car have them similar to the 126s? Would 
the tranny be trashed or is it something simple?


--R


On 8/22/17 1:25 PM, Daniel Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6275160142.html

No, I don’t need any project cars, thank you.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think if a utility is publicly owned, it should have to suffer the same fate 
that any publicly held company does when they make bad choices.  Some might 
argue that this would put the public at risk, as we can’t have utility 
companies failing.  My response to that is that if they were responsible to 
their stockholders like any regular company was and knew that they couldn’t put 
their risky behavior on the backs of ratepayers, they would be far less likely 
to engage in said risky behavior.

Marble Hill was a perfect example of this.  PSI saw the writing on the wall 
years ahead of the damage, but rather than cut their losses when they could 
still handle it, they just pushed forward, snowballing the situation out of 
control.

-D



> On Aug 22, 2017, at 12:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> -D wrote:
>> That’s my problem with publicly owned utilities that the states regulate.
> 
> That doesn't sound political.
> Tell us more about your "problem" and what is a better system.  Your
> solution is not likely to happen, but... neither is a lot of things
> DIY accomplishes.
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[MBZ] Klebmobile

[Daniel Penoff via Mercedes]

https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/6275160142.html

No, I don’t need any project cars, thank you.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

The Earth rotates at about 1700 mph at the equator, the moon orbits at
around 3400 mph in the same direction, so slightly faster, so the shadow
passes from west to east.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
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> Do the sun and moon rotate in different directions around the planet?
> The sun in this neighborhood rises in the east and sets in the west.
> The moon also rises in the east and sets in the west?
> Why did the eclipse totality go from west to east?
> ...yeah... duckduckgo
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

-D wrote:
> That’s my problem with publicly owned utilities that the states regulate.

That doesn't sound political.
Tell us more about your "problem" and what is a better system.  Your
solution is not likely to happen, but... neither is a lot of things
DIY accomplishes.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

--R wrote:
> The corruption in this state is incredible.

Eh?
You don't live in IL.
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Re: [MBZ] Eclipse started here

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OK, I was wrong.  So sue me.

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> Andrew wrote:
> > And the world did NOT end yet.
>
> Really?
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

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Happened to me in Indiana years ago (Marble Hill) and hit us here in FL 
recently with Duke buying a broken plant (Crystal River) that had duct tape and 
baling wire repairs that they bought for pennies on the dollar that they were 
going to “fix up”.  After determining that the bodged up repairs the previous 
utility performed compromised the unit so badly it couldn’t be fixed, they 
decided to shut it down.  Who is paying for that?

Why the ratepayers, of course!  Heavens, we couldn’t let the grossly mismanaged 
and horrendously overbudget costs fall back on the stockholders, now could we?

That’s my problem with publicly owned utilities that the states regulate.

-D


> On Aug 22, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The nukes in MD have already been written off and no new ones are being
> built.  Our local utility is also very solar friendly and pays me market
> rates for my PV generated roof top  power.  I can never understand why the
> southern tier of states - including AZ and NV -as well as FL and its
> neighbors - are so unwelcoming to solar energy.  There are literally
> thousands of  high skill jobs they are missing out on.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Eclipse started here

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Andrew wrote:
> And the world did NOT end yet.

Really?
tin.man

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[MBZ] Paint Huffing Price, but....

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

...really nice:

http://germancarsforsaleblog.com/1975-mercedes-benz-450sel/?utm_source=feedburner_medium=email_campaign=Feed%3A+GermanCarsForSaleBlog+%28German+Cars+For+Sale+Blog%29

-D


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Re: [MBZ] OT In the path of the eclipse

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Do the sun and moon rotate in different directions around the planet?
The sun in this neighborhood rises in the east and sets in the west.
The moon also rises in the east and sets in the west?
Why did the eclipse totality go from west to east?
...yeah... duckduckgo
tin.man

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Re: [MBZ] I identify with this guy, and so do you

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

If a car's value is solely for transportation, then he made a killing.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> 123,000 views???
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I haven't watched it all - how many cheap MB's does he have?
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] I identify with this guy, and so do you

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

123,000 views???

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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I haven't watched it all - how many cheap MB's does he have?
>
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
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Re: [MBZ] I identify with this guy, and so do you

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I haven't watched it all - how many cheap MB's does he have?

-
Max
Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] OT: What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Probably McCain. 
USS Forestall.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I=em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIWeq2DL_N4=em

It has been speculated that he was shot down by "friendly fire" in retaliation 
for the Forestall incident.

Rick
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[MBZ] I identify with this guy, and so do you

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQy0B3jsi78

--R


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[MBZ] OT: What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What US congresscritter has killed more US servicemen than all the rest 
put together?


Somewhat OT.  Make sure you are not driving your MB anywhere near this 
congresscritter if you want to stay alive.


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Re: [MBZ] This is probably a reasonable price

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'd worry about needing an expensive engine rebuild or valve job.  Might
offer 7500.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

"The corruption in every state is incredible."

There. 
I fixed it for you.

Rick
Who works in Crook County Illinois. 


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

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The nukes in MD have already been written off and no new ones are being
built.  Our local utility is also very solar friendly and pays me market
rates for my PV generated roof top  power.  I can never understand why the
southern tier of states - including AZ and NV -as well as FL and its
neighbors - are so unwelcoming to solar energy.  There are literally
thousands of  high skill jobs they are missing out on.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Rich Thomas <
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net> wrote:

> You missed the part that it has already been put on the backs of the
> ratepayers.  We have paid for the it with bills 30-35% higher that they
> would have been otherwise, for years and years.  The politicians are
> exactly to blame.  The corruption in this state is incredible.  Turns out
> the AG is now shown to be in bed with the top lobbyist/political consultant
> in the state in investigating the corruption.  He tried to derail another
> attorney from the investigations because it appears he is also in bed with
> the corruptocrats.  Incredible.
>
> --R
>
> On 8/22/17 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
>
> I'm betting the path of least resistance will allow the utility write off
> the losses as a tax credit we will all subsidize.
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the
>> state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a nuke power plant
>> project that they have sunk like $8bil into. Rampant mismanagement, the
>> contractors have gone bankrupt, would take another $8-10bil to finish.
>> This was all enabled by a law that the legislature passed some years ago
>> that guaranteed them the rate-payers would pay for the project during
>> construction (as opposed to the utility bonding it out to be paid when
>> on-line). Now there is like another $2bil in obligations the ratepayers get
>> to pay.  The execs have all been raking in huge bonuses over the years for
>> their management expertise in funneling YOOOGE amounts of money to
>> various contractors and politicians.  The politicians are now claiming that
>> the lobbyists told them this would work out well, and are now scrambling to
>> set up commissions and panels and investigatory bodies to find out what
>> happened, and to shift blame away from their ignorance and corruption.
>>
>> We are so screwed.
>>
>> --R
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[MBZ] This is probably a reasonable price

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/d/1986-mercedes-560-sl/6272920680.html

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

You missed the part that it has already been put on the backs of the 
ratepayers.  We have paid for the it with bills 30-35% higher that they 
would have been otherwise, for years and years.  The politicians are 
exactly to blame.  The corruption in this state is incredible.  Turns 
out the AG is now shown to be in bed with the top lobbyist/political 
consultant in the state in investigating the corruption.  He tried to 
derail another attorney from the investigations because it appears he is 
also in bed with the corruptocrats.  Incredible.


--R


On 8/22/17 10:15 AM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:
I'm betting the path of least resistance will allow the utility write 
off the losses as a tax credit we will all subsidize.


On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
> wrote:


A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership
with the state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a
nuke power plant project that they have sunk like $8bil into.
Rampant mismanagement, the contractors have gone bankrupt, would
take another $8-10bil to finish.  This was all enabled by a law
that the legislature passed some years ago that guaranteed them
the rate-payers would pay for the project during construction (as
opposed to the utility bonding it out to be paid when on-line).
Now there is like another $2bil in obligations the ratepayers get
to pay.  The execs have all been raking in huge bonuses over the
years for their management expertise in funneling YOOOGE
amounts of money to various contractors and politicians. The
politicians are now claiming that the lobbyists told them this
would work out well, and are now scrambling to set up commissions
and panels and investigatory bodies to find out what happened, and
to shift blame away from their ignorance and corruption.

We are so screwed.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I'm betting the path of least resistance will allow the utility write off
the losses as a tax credit we will all subsidize.

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the
> state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a nuke power plant
> project that they have sunk like $8bil into. Rampant mismanagement, the
> contractors have gone bankrupt, would take another $8-10bil to finish.
> This was all enabled by a law that the legislature passed some years ago
> that guaranteed them the rate-payers would pay for the project during
> construction (as opposed to the utility bonding it out to be paid when
> on-line). Now there is like another $2bil in obligations the ratepayers get
> to pay.  The execs have all been raking in huge bonuses over the years for
> their management expertise in funneling YOOOGE amounts of money to
> various contractors and politicians.  The politicians are now claiming that
> the lobbyists told them this would work out well, and are now scrambling to
> set up commissions and panels and investigatory bodies to find out what
> happened, and to shift blame away from their ignorance and corruption.
>
> We are so screwed.
>
> --R
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Need to fire and replace most if not all of the top management of the
utility, and figure out a better solution than abandoning the project.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the
> state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a nuke power plant
> project that they have sunk like $8bil into. Rampant mismanagement, the
> contractors have gone bankrupt, would take another $8-10bil to finish.
> This was all enabled by a law that the legislature passed some years ago
> that guaranteed them the rate-payers would pay for the project during
> construction (as opposed to the utility bonding it out to be paid when
> on-line). Now there is like another $2bil in obligations the ratepayers get
> to pay.  The execs have all been raking in huge bonuses over the years for
> their management expertise in funneling YOOOGE amounts of money to
> various contractors and politicians.  The politicians are now claiming that
> the lobbyists told them this would work out well, and are now scrambling to
> set up commissions and panels and investigatory bodies to find out what
> happened, and to shift blame away from their ignorance and corruption.
>
> We are so screwed.
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] '98 Porsche Boxster 5 speed on BAT

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

yesterday when I was driving back from Clumya there were some massive 
backups on I-26, sometimes this is normal.  Anyway, at one point there 
was a Boxster off in the ditch sideways and astraddle on the right side 
of the road, launched fairly far off the road. I was wondering how he 
managed to do that, I figure he was tooling along and car in front 
stopped short and he had to dump it off the side to keep from 
rear-ending the car ahead.  I guess the nannies were not too helpful.  
Driver and a coupla other cars were there, the driver, man dressed well, 
did not look Happy.


--R


On 8/22/17 2:04 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes wrote:

Ma and Pa Kettle in their Crown Vic didn't realize that little speck in
the distance was closing on them much faster than normal


Sadly, I once re-educated a flock of crows, who seemed to have calibrated a
nice for-70-mph liftoff from something tasty in the middle of the highway.
It didn't work out so well for them at triple-digit speeds.

-- Jim
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[MBZ] OT Sorta speaking of politics and energy

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

A week or two ago the local power utility SCANA in partnership with the 
state-owned utility Santee-Cooper decided to abandon a nuke power plant 
project that they have sunk like $8bil into. Rampant mismanagement, the 
contractors have gone bankrupt, would take another $8-10bil to finish.  
This was all enabled by a law that the legislature passed some years ago 
that guaranteed them the rate-payers would pay for the project during 
construction (as opposed to the utility bonding it out to be paid when 
on-line). Now there is like another $2bil in obligations the ratepayers 
get to pay.  The execs have all been raking in huge bonuses over the 
years for their management expertise in funneling YOOOGE amounts of 
money to various contractors and politicians.  The politicians are now 
claiming that the lobbyists told them this would work out well, and are 
now scrambling to set up commissions and panels and investigatory bodies 
to find out what happened, and to shift blame away from their ignorance 
and corruption.


We are so screwed.

--R


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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

Sign me up for a large!

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I don't want to disturb your eclipse viewing but some had asked about
> ChowdaQ, this should help: https://goo.gl/photos/N2f4Gcb23AQdwJey8
>
> For those who are planning on attending and might want a t-shirt they're
> going to run $20 each. I'd like to get an idea of how many to order. If
> anybody else wants one shoot me a note with your size.
> -Curt
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Re: [MBZ] '98 Porsche Boxster 5 speed on BAT

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> Ma and Pa Kettle in their Crown Vic didn't realize that little speck in
> the distance was closing on them much faster than normal


Sadly, I once re-educated a flock of crows, who seemed to have calibrated a
nice for-70-mph liftoff from something tasty in the middle of the highway.
It didn't work out so well for them at triple-digit speeds.

-- Jim
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