Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
On Dec 5, 2014 8:27 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Could be legit. I wonder if rubber cement would work or if the solvent would eat the record. Maybe liquid latex? Its pretty benign stuff. This cat says wood glue, I've heard that before also: http://120studio.com/vinylcleaning.htm Best, Tim needs to get out to work on the MBs so he can post on topic again ;) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Not that I know, but then again, I buy enterprise grade drives for my RAIDs. I guess the consumer grade stuff could be wonky like that. Enterprise grade fails too, but shipping mixes them up so customers don't see it, even if there is a single bad line. As I understand it the drive's life is mostly limited because of the tolerances of the components; if you have a single run of every component in manufacturing, it is somewhat more likely they will fail at about the same time in the same usage environment. On the other hand your enterprise drives probably have a 10 or 20 year MTBF, by which time you've already replaced them. Of course you are probably using RAID 5 or 6 too, so even if you have a couple drives fail at almost the same time you can easily recover. If two drives out of a RAID 0 fail, and that -was- your backup, you have a problem. :) Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 7:27 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: For what it's worth, Sansa portable audio players, and BlackBerry phones are able to play FLAC files. (Another excellent reason to ditch Android and Apple). I've played FLAC on Android. I normally use MX player (just because I like it) but I thought it was built in. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
It may be fake, but I recall a CSI episode where elmers glue was used on a rare jazz record to clean it up. Spread it along the grooves to make a thin skin, which goes deep into the groove and grabs all the kruft. Once dry, just peal it up and the recording is like new. OR just hollywood smoke and mirrors. clay On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Greg wrote: Much of our collection other than classical music has been rode hard and put away wet. The audio restoration software of Sound Forge produces a remarkable improvement in the listenability of these LPs. A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Use dish soap, warm water, and fingers to scrub the crud off. I try to keep the center label dry so it is less likely to come off. Also, keep the scrubbing action fairly light and parallel to the groove. Playing the LP wet can make an amazing improvement in surface noise - but the water will creep up the stylus and can damage the cartridge so I play mine dry. I happen to have a vacuum record cleaner so I use that, but a paper towel or a cleaning brush works okay. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Could be legit. I wonder if rubber cement would work or if the solvent would eat the record. Maybe liquid latex? Its pretty benign stuff. -Curt From: clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: fmiser fmi...@gmail.com; Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital It may be fake, but I recall a CSI episode where elmers glue was used on a rare jazz record to clean it up. Spread it along the grooves to make a thin skin, which goes deep into the groove and grabs all the kruft. Once dry, just peal it up and the recording is like new. OR just hollywood smoke and mirrors. clay On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:56 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Greg wrote: Much of our collection other than classical music has been rode hard and put away wet. The audio restoration software of Sound Forge produces a remarkable improvement in the listenability of these LPs. A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Use dish soap, warm water, and fingers to scrub the crud off. I try to keep the center label dry so it is less likely to come off. Also, keep the scrubbing action fairly light and parallel to the groove. Playing the LP wet can make an amazing improvement in surface noise - but the water will creep up the stylus and can damage the cartridge so I play mine dry. I happen to have a vacuum record cleaner so I use that, but a paper towel or a cleaning brush works okay. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? Greg F sez: No, he is using the turntables A/D converter to make the analog into digital files and recording them in Audacity. He then makes a digital copy and edits that in Sound Forge. Finally, he's using Sound Forge to compress it to an MP3. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Curly McLain via Mercedes wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? If you want to get rid of the LPs, you don't want to put it on ONE hard drive. Nor do you want to put it on two hard drives which were made on the same day. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Put them on a RAID. Dan who backs up backups Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to get rid of the LPs, you don't want to put it on ONE hard drive. Nor do you want to put it on two hard drives which were made on the same day. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
or 3 raids, each in a different state. A single raid can be taken out when the controller fails. But, you didn't answer my questions about archiving and file size. Put them on a RAID. Dan who backs up backups Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to get rid of the LPs, you don't want to put it on ONE hard drive. Nor do you want to put it on two hard drives which were made on the same day. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I can remember when I was somewhat of an audiophile that one could still prefer vinyl over a CD played via a Mark Levinson ($25K) CD player, so I can't relate to the interest(s) in converting to digital files. Other than live performances, I prefer good recordings played back via good equipment. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Put them on a RAID. Any truth to the stories of people buying a pair of matching disks, configuring them in RAID 1, and having them both die within a day of each other? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Not that I know, but then again, I buy enterprise grade drives for my RAIDs. I guess the consumer grade stuff could be wonky like that. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Put them on a RAID. Any truth to the stories of people buying a pair of matching disks, configuring them in RAID 1, and having them both die within a day of each other? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Yes! I have even had identical hard drives in different machines die within days of each other. These were seagate ide. It appears they had a cyanide pill programmed into the software to kill the drive after 10 years. I don't believe that each drive just happened to die of natural causes within days of each other. The order in which they died was exactly in the order of production, and 10 years after production. I have older hitachi/ibm ide drives still working. (though not for anything critical) Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Put them on a RAID. Any truth to the stories of people buying a pair of matching disks, configuring them in RAID 1, and having them both die within a day of each other? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
FLAC files are like a WAV file, but smaller. Here's a good explanation: http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-flac-the-high-def-mp3-explained/ Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
OK Don wrote: Keep us informed of your progress - I have a bunch of 78's to digitize, as well as some LPs, but haven't gotten started yet. Perhaps someday when I get bored . . . Don - I have stacks of classical 78s that are waiting to be played on my antique Dual turntable once I set it up in my new place. I just know the 78s will crack or shatter over time. Please let me know how your experiment works, in particular, whether the briliance off tone is preserved in the digitization process... It's amazing that this topic has created one of the longest threads in the history of diesel Mercedes lists. I guess vintage Mercedes dieselers are almost all audiophiles... On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FLAC files are like a WAV file, but smaller. Here's a good explanation: http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-flac-the-high-def-mp3-explained/ Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Yeah, but I have never been able to hear quality sound improvement of vinyl over digital. Much of our collection other than classical music has been rode hard and put away wet. The audio restoration software of Sound Forge produces a remarkable improvement in the listenability of these LPs. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of G. M. Brown via Mercedes Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 10:06 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital I can remember when I was somewhat of an audiophile that one could still prefer vinyl over a CD played via a Mark Levinson ($25K) CD player, so I can't relate to the interest(s) in converting to digital files. Other than live performances, I prefer good recordings played back via good equipment. G. M. Brown Brevard, NC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I'm of the opinion its largely not worth worrying about. Write a backup to tape or DVD, how much audio do you have really? How often do you really have drive failures? I bet I handle a lot more hard drives on a weekly basis than most folks (I'm a shared storage instructor, there are around 256 hard drives in my classroom. I get about 1 failure a year. Keep 'em clean, dry and reasonably cool and you'll be okay. -Curt From: Mitch Haley via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: Put them on a RAID. Any truth to the stories of people buying a pair of matching disks, configuring them in RAID 1, and having them both die within a day of each other? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I think the MSFT player will do wav OK, and VLC will play about anything. I listened in my truck this afternoon to a ripped vinyl -- CD of Mississippi Fred McDowell I Do Not Play No Rock'n'Roll I made years ago. Sounded quite good aside from a few burps here and there that might have been on the vinyl. --R On 12/4/14 2:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote: Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Audacity will take a 78 played at 45 and turn it into the proper speed. I ripped some old 78s I got at a yard sale on my turntable that only does 33 and 45, nothing particularly interesting, but it worked OK. --R On 12/4/14 2:45 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote: OK Don wrote: Keep us informed of your progress - I have a bunch of 78's to digitize, as well as some LPs, but haven't gotten started yet. Perhaps someday when I get bored . . . Don - I have stacks of classical 78s that are waiting to be played on my antique Dual turntable once I set it up in my new place. I just know the 78s will crack or shatter over time. Please let me know how your experiment works, in particular, whether the briliance off tone is preserved in the digitization process... It's amazing that this topic has created one of the longest threads in the history of diesel Mercedes lists. I guess vintage Mercedes dieselers are almost all audiophiles... On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: FLAC files are like a WAV file, but smaller. Here's a good explanation: http://www.cnet.com/news/what-is-flac-the-high-def-mp3-explained/ Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2014, at 2:05 PM, OK Don via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Curly McLain via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Is that correct? -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Curly wrote: If you want to store the files on a hard drive, and never need to make a cd or dvd, (or mp3 player) wouldn't it be possible to save the file as a .wav analog file and play that on demand? Or is the .wav way to big to do this? You could. But a FLAC is a smaller file plus has provision for metadata like jacket art, CUE files, comments, full jacket text, replay gain, and the typical tags like composer, record date, performer, track number, etc. that .wav lacks. It seems to me that other than file size, the .wav might be the closest in quality to the original vinyl. FLAC is lossless - unlike ACC, MP3, and OGG (vorbis) - so in is the same audio quality as a .wav. I had not heard of this flac file type before. I gather it is a digital more or less equivalent to the .wav file. Pretty much. You could also zip a .wav (or aiff) to save space. But I'm not aware of any music players that will play a zip file. FLAC is just as loss-less as zip - but it can be played by many audio players. And it (like OGG vorbis) is an open format, with no patent encumbrances. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
OK wrote: Does anyone have the answer to Curly's question? Yes. I'm just slow. *smiles* -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Greg wrote: Much of our collection other than classical music has been rode hard and put away wet. The audio restoration software of Sound Forge produces a remarkable improvement in the listenability of these LPs. A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Use dish soap, warm water, and fingers to scrub the crud off. I try to keep the center label dry so it is less likely to come off. Also, keep the scrubbing action fairly light and parallel to the groove. Playing the LP wet can make an amazing improvement in surface noise - but the water will creep up the stylus and can damage the cartridge so I play mine dry. I happen to have a vacuum record cleaner so I use that, but a paper towel or a cleaning brush works okay. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Original Message From: fmiser via Mercedes Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Record cleaners (NOT CHEAP!) http://www.musicdirect.com/c-562-record-cleaning-machines.aspx http://www.nittygrittyinc.com/index.html http://www.needledoctor.com/Online-Store/Record-Cleaning-Machines More information to keep vintage vinyl lovers occupied. http://cleaningvinyllps.blogspot.com/2012/11/how-to-clean-vinyl-records-right-way.html?m=1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinyl_disc_records_preservation http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/recordcleaning.html Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Aren't 78s shellac? Do you wash them with water also? On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:47 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Original Message From: fmiser via Mercedes Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital A step I forgot to mention is to wash the LP. Record cleaners (NOT CHEAP!) -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
or 3 raids, each in a different state. A single raid can be taken out when the controller fails. Our RAID is purely software, built into Mac OSX. You can take one of the disks and put it into any SATA Mac and read it, no problems. Though not the highest-performance solution, it was the cheapest, and likely to be the most reliable long-term. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
OK Don wrote: Keep us informed of your progress - I have a bunch of 78's to digitize, as well as some LPs, but haven't gotten started yet. Perhaps someday when I get bored . . . Rich wrote: Audacity will take a 78 played at 45 and turn it into the proper speed. I ripped some old 78s I got at a yard sale on my turntable that only does 33 and 45, nothing particularly interesting, but it worked OK. The EQ won't be quite right. Close, though. 78's use a different playback EQ than 45 and LP. Audacity can fix that too, I don't happen to know off the top of my head what the EQ stetting would need to be... -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Listers: I know that some of you are audiophiles to some degree. So this is directed at you. We have an eclectic collection of LPs of all types of music. A while back I bought my wife (the main music lover) a cheap ION USB turntable. She already had a good quality component turntable, but I figures the USB interface would make it easy to transfer vinyl to digital. The results were so-so. Recently she gave away the vintage quality TT to our son, a recent convert to vinyl. In addition to creating a need for a quality component, this event also cleared a spot on our A-V components rack. After much research and comparison shopping, I bought an Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB TT from Amazon. I received this unit yesterday, and have just converted my first LP to MP3 files today. My workflow was to use the most recent version of Audacity to convert my wife's old ELO Eldorado album to wav files on my HTPC through the USB interface. The HTPC has a 6-core AMD FX processor and an ASUS XONAR DG Headphone Amp PCI 5.1 Audio Card. I then transferred the files (one for each album side) to my ThinkPad T61 laptop running Sound Forge 10 (SF) and equipped with a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS PMCMCIA card. I ran the SF audio cleaner module on the wav files, then saved them to MP3 files, all using the default settings in SF. I then saved the MP3s to the network HD, and am currently playing them back through the HTPC using VLC. All I can say is that the results are totally satisfactory! There is still a little bit of vinyl noise remaining after the SF cleanup, but it is significantly reduced from the original recordings. Considering that the cleanup took only a few seconds I am very impressed with the results. As to the turntable itself: After reading some negative reviews, I examined the platter and all other criticized items carefully. I could notice no warping of the platter, and all other parts of the turntable looked very good. As an amateur machinist, I do have a stand and dial indicator. I may gauge the runout of the platter just to see if there is any measurable warpage that I am unable to detect visually. I am favorably impressed with the quality and feature set considering the moderate cost of the unit. I have read that a DIY mat made of cork or rubber will improve the sound quality, and am pleased to see that the height of the tone arm is adjustable to accommodate a thicker mat. Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I have my 40yo Pioneer turntable (quite nice) hooked up to my 20yo Sony receiver and thence to my iMac. I occasionally rip a vinyl album using Audacity then export an MP3 to iTunes, which is sorta crappy way to do it but it works OK. I have some CDs I have made in the past using the same process but going to whatever the CD format was from Audacity, and converting to MP3 too for iTunes. You are doing it pretty much right if it works and sounds half decent. Audacity has a clean-up function now too I think, I recall using it once and it did improve the recording but did not eliminate all the pops. I think it has a track separation function too so you can separate the tracks easily and then name them for export. Been awhile since I have fooled with it, I always have to relearn how to do it all. I heard on the radio yesterday that vinyl sales are booming again, the hipsters have discovered turntables! --R On 12/3/14 6:39 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote: Listers: I know that some of you are audiophiles to some degree. So this is directed at you. We have an eclectic collection of LPs of all types of music. A while back I bought my wife (the main music lover) a cheap ION USB turntable. She already had a good quality component turntable, but I figures the USB interface would make it easy to transfer vinyl to digital. The results were so-so. Recently she gave away the vintage quality TT to our son, a recent convert to vinyl. In addition to creating a need for a quality component, this event also cleared a spot on our A-V components rack. After much research and comparison shopping, I bought an Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB TT from Amazon. I received this unit yesterday, and have just converted my first LP to MP3 files today. My workflow was to use the most recent version of Audacity to convert my wife's old ELO Eldorado album to wav files on my HTPC through the USB interface. The HTPC has a 6-core AMD FX processor and an ASUS XONAR DG Headphone Amp PCI 5.1 Audio Card. I then transferred the files (one for each album side) to my ThinkPad T61 laptop running Sound Forge 10 (SF) and equipped with a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS PMCMCIA card. I ran the SF audio cleaner module on the wav files, then saved them to MP3 files, all using the default settings in SF. I then saved the MP3s to the network HD, and am currently playing them back through the HTPC using VLC. All I can say is that the results are totally satisfactory! There is still a little bit of vinyl noise remaining after the SF cleanup, but it is significantly reduced from the original recordings. Considering that the cleanup took only a few seconds I am very impressed with the results. As to the turntable itself: After reading some negative reviews, I examined the platter and all other criticized items carefully. I could notice no warping of the platter, and all other parts of the turntable looked very good. As an amateur machinist, I do have a stand and dial indicator. I may gauge the runout of the platter just to see if there is any measurable warpage that I am unable to detect visually. I am favorably impressed with the quality and feature set considering the moderate cost of the unit. I have read that a DIY mat made of cork or rubber will improve the sound quality, and am pleased to see that the height of the tone arm is adjustable to accommodate a thicker mat. Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I don't, other than to say that most of the music I currently have in electronic form has been transcoded from analog to FLAC. I can hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC formats, and my hearing is pretty lousy in one ear. I used to have a pretty big vintage setup with a Fisher 400, Soundcraftsman preamp, tuner and amp, Dual turntable and a pair of Magnepan IIa planar speakers. When we moved to FL I lost the space necessary to really use the Manepans, so I sold off the system. Plenty of online resources on the subject, for sure. Dan Sent from my iPad On Dec 3, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Listers: I know that some of you are audiophiles to some degree. So this is directed at you. We have an eclectic collection of LPs of all types of music. A while back I bought my wife (the main music lover) a cheap ION USB turntable. She already had a good quality component turntable, but I figures the USB interface would make it easy to transfer vinyl to digital. The results were so-so. Recently she gave away the vintage quality TT to our son, a recent convert to vinyl. In addition to creating a need for a quality component, this event also cleared a spot on our A-V components rack. After much research and comparison shopping, I bought an Audio-Technica AT-LP120-USB TT from Amazon. I received this unit yesterday, and have just converted my first LP to MP3 files today. My workflow was to use the most recent version of Audacity to convert my wife's old ELO Eldorado album to wav files on my HTPC through the USB interface. The HTPC has a 6-core AMD FX processor and an ASUS XONAR DG Headphone Amp PCI 5.1 Audio Card. I then transferred the files (one for each album side) to my ThinkPad T61 laptop running Sound Forge 10 (SF) and equipped with a Sound Blaster Audigy 2 ZS PMCMCIA card. I ran the SF audio cleaner module on the wav files, then saved them to MP3 files, all using the default settings in SF. I then saved the MP3s to the network HD, and am currently playing them back through the HTPC using VLC. All I can say is that the results are totally satisfactory! There is still a little bit of vinyl noise remaining after the SF cleanup, but it is significantly reduced from the original recordings. Considering that the cleanup took only a few seconds I am very impressed with the results. As to the turntable itself: After reading some negative reviews, I examined the platter and all other criticized items carefully. I could notice no warping of the platter, and all other parts of the turntable looked very good. As an amateur machinist, I do have a stand and dial indicator. I may gauge the runout of the platter just to see if there is any measurable warpage that I am unable to detect visually. I am favorably impressed with the quality and feature set considering the moderate cost of the unit. I have read that a DIY mat made of cork or rubber will improve the sound quality, and am pleased to see that the height of the tone arm is adjustable to accommodate a thicker mat. Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. Greg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 5:40 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. I've never done it, but it sounds like you have done it correctly. I would add that it what format you convert to depends on where you are going to listen to the digital files. For archival purposes (and highest quality) I would store them as FLAC files using EAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC https://xiph.org/flac/ http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=106539 http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-494047.html For what it's worth, Sansa portable audio players, and BlackBerry phones are able to play FLAC files. (Another excellent reason to ditch Android and Apple). In a car mp3 files would provide acceptable listening. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? Original Message From: Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 5:40 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Reply To: Greg Fiorentino Subject: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. I've never done it, but it sounds like you have done it correctly. I would add that it what format you convert to depends on where you are going to listen to the digital files. For archival purposes (and highest quality) I would store them as FLAC files using EAC. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLAC https://xiph.org/flac/ http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ http://www.hydrogenaud.io/forums/index.php?showtopic=106539 http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-494047.html For what it's worth, Sansa portable audio players, and BlackBerry phones are able to play FLAC files. (Another excellent reason to ditch Android and Apple). In a car mp3 files would provide acceptable listening. Rick Sent from my BlackBerry Z10 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Thanks for the FLAC tip, as Rick also mentioned. I kind of knew that MP3 was not the best compression algorithm, but it just was the standard that I thought of. Sound Forge (SF) also can export FLAC files. Doing more research I see that I can use other commands in SF to clean up the pops and other vinyl surface noise. There is a plugin from iZotope that is supposed to do an even better job. There will be a learning curve here for sure! Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 4:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital I don't, other than to say that most of the music I currently have in electronic form has been transcoded from analog to FLAC. I can hear the difference between MP3 and FLAC formats, and my hearing is pretty lousy in one ear. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Keep us informed of your progress - I have a bunch of 78's to digitize, as well as some LPs, but haven't gotten started yet. Perhaps someday when I get bored . . . On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:28 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com wrote: Thanks for the FLAC tip, as Rick also mentioned. I kind of knew that MP3 was not the best compression algorithm, but it just was the standard that I thought of. Sound Forge (SF) also can export FLAC files. Doing more research I see that I can use other commands in SF to clean up the pops and other vinyl surface noise. There is a plugin from iZotope that is supposed to do an even better job. There will be a learning curve here for sure! Greg -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Original Message From: Curly McLain via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curly McLain Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? In addition to. Audacity is used to create wav (analog) files from the vinyl records. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is used to convert the wav files to mp3, flac, etc. digital files. I have used EAC for converting (ripping) cd's to digital form. I have not used it to convert wav files from vinyl, but I am pretty sure it can be done. Currently Greg is using Sound Forge software to convert the analog files to digital. I like EAC because it was created by a German. :) And it works very well. Some audiophiles insist on have cue sheets to go along with their rips, and EAC will create those as well. If I wasn't hard of hearing, I would be more into the audiophile stuff. My range of hearing is somewhat limited, and I have tinnitus. Rick Huh? what? Why does everyone mumble? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
I also use EAC for ripping CDs. Very tight and feature-rich. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 7:14 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital Original Message From: Curly McLain via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curly McLain Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? In addition to. Audacity is used to create wav (analog) files from the vinyl records. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is used to convert the wav files to mp3, flac, etc. digital files. I have used EAC for converting (ripping) cd's to digital form. I have not used it to convert wav files from vinyl, but I am pretty sure it can be done. Currently Greg is using Sound Forge software to convert the analog files to digital. I like EAC because it was created by a German. :) And it works very well. Some audiophiles insist on have cue sheets to go along with their rips, and EAC will create those as well. If I wasn't hard of hearing, I would be more into the audiophile stuff. My range of hearing is somewhat limited, and I have tinnitus. Rick Huh? what? Why does everyone mumble? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Thanks for the explanation. I have to do this someday. I want to sell the vinyl while it is still worth something. Original Message From: Curly McLain via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2014 7:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Reply To: Curly McLain Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? In addition to. Audacity is used to create wav (analog) files from the vinyl records. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is used to convert the wav files to mp3, flac, etc. digital files. I have used EAC for converting (ripping) cd's to digital form. I have not used it to convert wav files from vinyl, but I am pretty sure it can be done. Currently Greg is using Sound Forge software to convert the analog files to digital. I like EAC because it was created by a German. :) And it works very well. Some audiophiles insist on have cue sheets to go along with their rips, and EAC will create those as well. If I wasn't hard of hearing, I would be more into the audiophile stuff. My range of hearing is somewhat limited, and I have tinnitus. Rick Huh? what? Why does everyone mumble? ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Greg wrote: We have an eclectic collection of LPs of all types of music. ... then saved them to MP3 files Since I am a rank beginner at doing this, I am curious if any of you have experience with this activity to share. Yeah. Don't use MP3, certainly not for archive master. If you must, use no less than 256 KB/s. Anything I care about the sound quality I save the master as a FLAC file (lossless). Audacity should do that natively. I then use ogg Vorbis as the small-size, lossy distribution format, though for some I don't bother and just use the FLAC. I prefer my digital copy to be a full archive, so I do a bit more. My goal is copy of the full LP as it was on vinyl, plus photos of the jacket, plus track timing and metadata for later splitting. All this can be included in the FLAC file so I end up with one and only one file for each LP that I can extract any of the metadata parts for further or future processing. So I record the entire LP as a single file, then (with snapping sot to CD Frames I use Audacity's Label Track to mark the beginning of each song/piece/section. The label track is exported to create a text file with track timing information. I made a bash (*nix shell) script that converts this to a CUE file. Some recordings get two CUE files with different timing information. For example, I don't it when my playback system (set to random) chooses to play only one movement from a short classical piece. So I create a CUE file that keeps these together. But if I burn a CD, I want to be able to use next to jump to a movement so I also want a CUE file with each movement separate. I then insert all the metadata into the FLAC. I can then use shnsplit to make the one long FLAC file into file-per-track for CD burning and split2ogg to make a tagged ogg file-per-track for distribution (iPod, etc). I use an old Linn turntable, a Fisher tube amp, and a stand along USB preamp to do the initial recording. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
Curly McLain wrote: The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? Rick wrote: In addition to. Audacity is used to create wav (analog) files from the vinyl records. EAC (Exact Audio Copy) is used to convert the wav files to mp3, flac, etc. digital files. I have used EAC for converting (ripping) cd's to digital form. I have not used it to convert wav files from vinyl, but I am pretty sure it can be done. No point in that. Audacity can export an FLAC. EAC excels in ripping CDs. I don't like using Audacity for recording, but it works - and playing an LP is a very repeatable action if the Audacity recording fails. Currently Greg is using Sound Forge software to convert the analog files to digital. No, he is using the turntables A/D converter to make the analog into digital files and recording them in Audacity. He then makes a digital copy and edits that in Sound Forge. Finally, he's using Sound Forge to compress it to an MP3. -- Philip, sending this to Rick and Curly 'cause he don't think the list is letting his messages through. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital
No, he is using the turntables A/D converter to make the analog into digital files and recording them in Audacity. He then makes a digital copy and edits that in Sound Forge. Finally, he's using Sound Forge to compress it to an MP3. Yup- but I've seen the error of my ways and have gone to FLAC. Thanks to all. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of fmiser via Mercedes Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 10:12 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Rick Knoble Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Transcoding LPs to Digital Curly McLain wrote: The EAC would be used in place of Audacity? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
