Re: [meteorite-list] Have You Seen These?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know of a place where I might be able to purchase prints of these two meteor-related images: http:/www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/leonid1833.jpg This is a woodcut of the meteor leonid shower of 1833 and http:/www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/meteor7oct1868.jpg My favorite early image of the 1833 shower is here. http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/meteorites/1833shower.jpg ...and I'm partial to itfor two reasons: One, rather than emanating from a specific radiant-area, the meteors are drawn as if they're all travelingTOWARD it. Perhaps some confusion on the part of the artist, when the concept of a shower-radiantwas explained to him. And the other reasonisthat it happily residesin my own personal collection. ;-) I'm very pleased that Richard Norton thought highly enough of it to put in his new "Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" (p. 14). GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
Re: [meteorite-list] Have You Seen These?
Thanks Walter and Gregory for posting these awesome images! If anyone else has "vintage" meteorite art they would like to share, I for one would be very appreciative! Regards to all, Jeannie Devon - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Have You Seen These? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone know of a place where I might be able to purchase prints of these two meteor-related images: http:/www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/leonid1833.jpg This is a woodcut of the meteor leonid shower of 1833 and http:/www.branchmeteorites.com/misc/meteor7oct1868.jpg My favorite early image of the 1833 shower is here. http://members.aol.com/sharkkb8/meteorites/1833shower.jpg ...and I'm partial to itfor two reasons: One, rather than emanating from a specific radiant-area, the meteors are drawn as if they're all travelingTOWARD it. Perhaps some confusion on the part of the artist, when the concept of a shower-radiantwas explained to him. And the other reasonisthat it happily residesin my own personal collection. ;-) I'm very pleased that Richard Norton thought highly enough of it to put in his new "Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites" (p. 14). GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
[meteorite-list] Bloomington Meteorite
Hello Everyone, Does anyone know the exact date of the Bloomington, Illinois meteorite fall. All I have is Summer, 1938. Thanks. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.com
[meteorite-list] Re: NWA 2092
Hi Dave and List Here is the latest update on NWA 2092. As of yesterday, 4/6, Dr Bunch, has informed me that NWA 2092, the first LL6/7, has been approved bythe nomenclature committee andDr Grossman as was originally stated. It is accepted as the first LL6/7. I don't have the complete writeup yet but will forward it to the list when I receive it. Best Wishes to all.. Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com At 11:48 AM 3/27/2004 -0500, David Weir wrote:Hello list,I'm staying out of the fray here, but since I shared my thoughts onMike's new meteorite classification (NWA 2092), and since we heard fromJeff Grossman on the possible ambiguity of the exact meaning of thisclassification, and since Mike wasn't able to share the classificationdetails, I felt compelled to investigate this classification with thesource, Dr. Ted Bunch, and report back here.He told me that the LL6/7 was meant to imply a transition from 6 to 7,and shared with me his reasons, which are consistent with a transitionalmetamorphic stage between 6 and 7, despite any mutual exclusivity thatDodd's rules may imply. Ted's use of a slash between the 6 and 7 isconsistent with the recommendations of NomCom, and is not used to implyan "I'm not sure" scenario, which Jeff indicated is sometimes done. I'lllet the write-up speak for itself, which Ted says will likely be a fullseparate entry in the Bulletin.Regards,David
[meteorite-list] Ebay Auctions ending Tonite
Hi Everybody: I have ebay auctions ending tonight. To view all my auctions just follow the link below whichshould take you to the complete list at the bottom of the page. Ifthe link does not work just do a search on my ebay name -catchafallingstar.com http://members.ebay.com/ws2/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=catchafallingstar.com Thanks for looking... Jim Strope421 Fourth StreetGlen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com
[meteorite-list] OT: I am back
Hello Everyone, Well.I guess I am back. I have to be honest, it is hard for me to get upsetand even harder for me to remain upset. Strange thing happened yesterday. I went out to eat with my mother and father. While this may not sound to strange, you should understand neither has spoken in 15 years and neither seemed to have any desire. They are now retirement age and my dad returned home last year, after doing aircraft contract work the last 10 years. My mother returned from the Philippines last year as well. Their dislike for each other had me organizing two Thanksgiving dinners and two Christmas dinners. Yet, yesterday they sat across the table beside each other, neither fighting for the empty seat besides me. Sometimes it takes a few days for someone to calm down, sometimes it takes 15 years I guess. I get a mass of meteorite e-mails from "newbies" and I try to answer them the best I can. From time to time I get referenced from someone I consider well-know ledgedand from at other times I get contacted by various organizations. Google seems to like my website and I sure that helps attract these e-mails as well. There are many list members that know a lot more then me, several have nicer collections then me and as a hunter, I have to be somewhere in the bottom tier. It is hard for me to consider myself an "expert" in a field I feel mostly overshadowed by my peers. So I am humbled by the responses I have gotten via e-mail from list members about our latest "tiff". I am humbled my thoughts have any emotional effects on others. So, I am back, and I will try not to let "repeat" this last week. Not so much in self-censorship but more so in sending e-mails to the list. I understand now greater Mike Farmer's list "fights". He is emotionally attached to meteorites, and his e-mails come from this emotion Perhaps I am more emotionally attached to these rocks then I realized. And while I never considered myself that great of a contributor to the list, it is quite clear from your e-mails (and phone calls) that many of you do. I ask that you forgive me for not keeping my typically cool head, and perhaps for making a small situation worse. I will try not to feed the ducks from now on, or let others make me a duck. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc
[meteorite-list] Sonic Booms Associated With Recovered Falls?
G'day List, I am curious if anyone knows of recovered meteorites which have had sonic booms heard/felt during their fall. Is this something which just depends on velocity or do other factors such as type, angle of descent, height above sea level, etc also have an influence? Thanks in advance, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Agreements with property owners
Dear List, In the near future I plan to approach a property owner with a lot of farmland near where I live for permission to hunt meteorites. I have walked other people's fields with permission but have never known what type of agreement to make with a property owner for a meteorite find. I would be more comfortable if I had something in writing before a situation presents itself. I wondered if you would please share your agreements and experiences (good and bad) with property owners as it relates to a find. Any guidance you can provide will help, Maria Haas _ Tax headache? MSN Money provides relief with tax tips, tools, IRS forms and more! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/workshop/welcome.asp __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for April - Missing Links Added
Dear List, The server issue has been corrected and full backup is in progress :-) My apologies to Mark Bostick for forgetting to add some of his links. Mark had supplied 3 additional Meteor Crater links that I overlook adding before so please look at the site again. Happy reading! Paul and Jim Dear List, MeteoriteTimes for April is up. This month we are featuring Meteor Crater. During the final editing the server started to have an attitude problem and I'm now shut out. I was in the process of setting up the links to the March Links so last month is not accessible right now. Tech support is working on it. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ We hope you enjoy this months links! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA *** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
(please read the entire thing before commenting) ( the list has been quite, so I thought it would be a good time) Hello Good list, or what is left of it! This is about the greatest impact story ever told, so it is meteorite related. : ) This true story reminds me a lot of another that I will compare it to. These two stories are so similar to me, I would guess the same idiot came up with both of them. So if you like science, you best delete this now, it will P_ SS you off! : O Scientist have this little thing they like to do, if something does not work out for their little idea, they do what ever it takes to make it work! I was reading in the September 1998 issue of Astronomy magazine an article about the formation of the Moon. The theory they talked about was the big whack. No matter how many times they tested this, no matter what changes they made in the size of the masses or the speeds or angles, they could not get it to work! So what did they do, they made it work, a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! Great, sounds ridiculous, but hey, it worked, they called it the Double Whammy where after the great collision, the one got caught up in the earths gravity and came back for a second hit! Now come on people, if you believe that crap, I bet you believe in this similar story. There was one gunman and a magic bullet in Dallas that dreadful day! These are both stories made up in a desperate attempt to make it work. I do not believe in the magic bullet or the double whammy, if you believe in either of these theories, I am sorry. : ) Think about it, think about the similarities in these two stories and ask your self, can this happen, if you believe in one, you might as well believe in the other! Just my no cents worth : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia
My money is on Haag! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia I'll bet that Farmer or the Hupe's find it before the roo's and walabie's do, let alone the small aircraft pilots. :^) CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:44 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,9203013%2 55E14787,00.html Professor rallies pilots for meteor site watch By HAYLEY SEENEY Townsville Bulletin April 6, 2004 A TOWNSVILLE astronomer has encouraged light aircraft pilots to keep watch for a possible impact sites from a meteor grouping that fell to earth last week. James Cook University astronomy centre director Associate Professor Graeme White said eye witness accounts put one impact site about 60 nautical miles north-northeast of Mount Isa. North and northwest Queensland were treated to a meteor spectacular last Wednesday night, as meteorites entered the earth's atmosphere and burst into fireballs. Passengers and pilots on two light aircraft flying from Mount Gordon, also known as Gunpowder, at the time of the event reported seeing the fireballs go past their aircraft. I'd like to get someone from the local aeroclub to go out there and have a look, Professor White said. I thought about it over the weekend. It'd be good if someone who's got a light plane to fly out there, or someone who is going out there to divert from their normal activities to look at the place. It (the impact site) would be fairly distinctive, it will be a big spot of black and brown or a hole in the ground. Keen to hear from anyone who may be able to fly by the area, Professor White said they would need to take an exact location using a global positioning system and perhaps a photo. He would then be eager to mount an expedition to the site. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Kentucky Meteorites
Hi List I found something and thought you people might like it. Its downloads and in pdf, but pretty good reading. http://kgsweb.uky.edu/PubsSearching/SimpleResults.asp?searchtype1=atleastlimiter=ANDdropmenu1=keyworddata1=meteoritesdropmenu2=data2=yearlmt=NoPrefyear2=year3=maps=submit=Submit+Search+for+PublicationssrchType=pubs MarkF
[meteorite-list] NEW SPECIMEN CARDS
Hello list.I have to say it is such a priviledge to finally have my very own specimen cards.They were PROFESSIONALLY made by Lars Pedersen from denmark.You can view his work on my homepage of my website.Also I picked up a fragment of the original rosamond dry lake with a huss number.But notice the specimen card that came with it.Thanks again to MR.H for allowing to me to get that piece.Let me know what you think of the new specimen cards. steve arnold = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: I am back
Well, for my part: I am happy to see you back. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MARK BOSTICK Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:43 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: I am back Hello Everyone, Well.I guess I am back. I have to be honest, it is hard for me to get upsetand even harder for me to remain upset. Strange thing happened yesterday. I went out to eat with my mother and father. While this may not sound to strange, you should understand neither has spoken in 15 years and neither seemed to have any desire. They are now retirement age and my dad returned home last year, after doing aircraft contract work the last 10 years. My mother returned from the Philippines last year as well. Their dislike for each other had me organizing two Thanksgiving dinners and two Christmas dinners. Yet, yesterday they sat across the table beside each other, neither fighting for the empty seat besides me. Sometimes it takes a few days for someone to calm down, sometimes it takes 15 years I guess. I get a mass of meteorite e-mails from newbies and I try to answer them the best I can. From time to time I get referenced from someone I consider well-know ledgedand from at other times I get contacted by various organizations. Google seems to like my website and I sure that helps attract these e-mails as well. There are many list members that know a lot more then me, several have nicer collections then me and as a hunter, I have to be somewhere in the bottom tier. It is hard for me to consider myself an expert in a field I feel mostly overshadowed by my peers. So I am humbled by the responses I have gotten via e-mail from list members about our latest tiff. I am humbled my thoughts have any emotional effects on others. So, I am back, and I will try not to let repeat this last week. Not so much in self-censorship but more so in sending e-mails to the list. I understand now greater Mike Farmer's list fights. He is emotionally attached to meteorites, and his e-mails come from this emotion Perhaps I am more emotionally attached to these rocks then I realized. And while I never considered myself that great of a contributor to the list, it is quite clear from your e-mails (and phone calls) that many of you do. I ask that you forgive me for not keeping my typically cool head, and perhaps for making a small situation worse. I will try not to feed the ducks from now on, or let others make me a duck. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc image001.jpg
Re: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia
My money is on no-one! That state owns anything that is found! Doh, Jeff - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: Charles Viau ; 'Ron Baalke' ; 'Meteorite Mailing List' Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 11:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia My money is on Haag! Thanks, Tom peregrineflier IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Ron Baalke' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Meteorite Mailing List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia I'll bet that Farmer or the Hupe's find it before the roo's and walabie's do, let alone the small aircraft pilots. :^) CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 12:44 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Professor Rallies Pilots for Meteor Site Watch in Australia http://townsvillebulletin.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,7034,9203013%2 55E14787,00.html Professor rallies pilots for meteor site watch By HAYLEY SEENEY Townsville Bulletin April 6, 2004 A TOWNSVILLE astronomer has encouraged light aircraft pilots to keep watch for a possible impact sites from a meteor grouping that fell to earth last week. James Cook University astronomy centre director Associate Professor Graeme White said eye witness accounts put one impact site about 60 nautical miles north-northeast of Mount Isa. North and northwest Queensland were treated to a meteor spectacular last Wednesday night, as meteorites entered the earth's atmosphere and burst into fireballs. Passengers and pilots on two light aircraft flying from Mount Gordon, also known as Gunpowder, at the time of the event reported seeing the fireballs go past their aircraft. I'd like to get someone from the local aeroclub to go out there and have a look, Professor White said. I thought about it over the weekend. It'd be good if someone who's got a light plane to fly out there, or someone who is going out there to divert from their normal activities to look at the place. It (the impact site) would be fairly distinctive, it will be a big spot of black and brown or a hole in the ground. Keen to hear from anyone who may be able to fly by the area, Professor White said they would need to take an exact location using a global positioning system and perhaps a photo. He would then be eager to mount an expedition to the site. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sonic Booms Associated With Recovered Falls?
In a message dated 07/04/04 13:31:16 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious if anyone knows of recovered meteorites which have had sonic booms heard/felt during their fall. Jeff, the Bovedy fall of April 1969, Northern Ireland produced (sonic?) booms that were caught on audio tape. And the Leighlinbridge fall (Ireland again, but Eire) was reported to have rattled windows and tripped burglar alarms - witnesses thought that a bomb had exploded. To hear the Bovedy recording, go to my website and find my "Bovedy" listing. There's a link within the description for downloading a short sound file in wav format. Bovedy is a very pretty type 3, so check out the picture too. Cheers, Rob Elliott www.meteorites.uk.com Fernlea Meteorites, The Wynd, Off Dickson Lane, Milton of Balgonie, Fife. KY7 6PY United Kingdom Tel: +44-(0)1592-751563 Fax: +44-(0)1592-751991 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PC # 1
[meteorite-list] Stuart Perry - Harvey Nininger Letters, Prelude
The next month or go I will be posting correspondence from Stuart Perry and Harvey Nininger. So some of you are now asking, who is Stuart Perry, According the Smithsonian, "Stuart H. Perry (1874-1957) was a newspaper publisher and authority on meteorites. He made extensive collections of meteorites and donated many specimens to the United States National Museum (USNM). In 1940, Perry became an Honorary Associate in Mineralogy, USNM, a title he held until his death." According to an introduction by Nininger wrote in January 1951,: "Stuart H. Perry, Associate Mineralogist, U.S. National Museum; Author - "Metalography of Meteoric Iron" and numerous papers on meteorites; Donor of a large collection of meteorites; wishes to." In "Find a Falling Star", Stuart is mentioned three times, but all are very brief. Reading the correspondence Perry was a customer of Nininger, gave a grant for Nininger to use on his research, traded meteorites with him, gave him advice on all things metal and meteoritic and became a good friend of Nininger's in the process. The following letters will also answer some of the questions that those that have read all the Nininger books and newspaper articles might have. Nininger at times comments on his career and in a couple of trades you can see how both Stuart, and Nininger were both good traders. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com
[meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Dec. 2, 1949
(American Meteorite Museum Letterhead) AMERICAN METEORITE MUSUEM OPPOSITE METEOR CRATER ON HIGHWAY 66 POST OFFICE BOX 1171 WINSLOW ARIZONA December 2, 1949 Mr. Stuart Perry Adrian, Michigan Dear Mr. Perry: I am sending you a section of a broken bolt from an old smelter furnace. It was a hinge bolt on the furnace door. It struck me as being most interesting and I should like your reaction to it. You may keep it on the condition that you furnish me three photos of it: (1) of the broken section x 1; (2) of the polished section x 1, and (3) of a micro photo of a portionof the etched section showing both granular and the Neuman-lined area. Also in the package is a sample of a 286 lb. meteorite which is suppose to be on the way from South America. I received a sample from apparently the same mass some years ago, bit only recently have been able to arrange for its purchase. The cost laid down here will be approximately $500.00 not counting the cost of locating, ect. Would you like to pay $450 for half of this mass if and when it arrives, if I care for the cutting and shipping? Sincerely, (signed) H.H. Nininger (Letter transcribed by Mark Bostick, www.meteoritearticles.com)
[meteorite-list] Perry to Nininger Letter, Jan. 1, 1950
(Stuart Perry to Harvey Nininger letter, Perry's File copy) January 1, 1949 (It appears Perry wrote the wrong date, this should read January 1, 1950) Dear Nininger: I was glad to get your letter the other day stating the Peru iron is going forward, and hope it arrives by February which I think it should. The reason I name that time is that we are going home about February 7 and sail for Italy on February 21; so I am hoping that it arrives so we can at least talk about before I go. It is good to get another octahedrite from down there, as most of the irons from that region are hexahedrites and pretty much alike. I left the section of the furnace bolt with my man in Ann Arbor before leaving home, and in due time I expect he will send me the pictures. The etched surface shows a peculiar very large granulation which I never happen to have observed before in artificial iron. We are going to be gone about four months in Europe -- two months in Italy, then a while in France, and a month or more in England. My daughter and her husband will be with us and we are looking forward to a fine trip With all good wishes for the New Year, Sincerely, (Stuart Perry - name is missing as this is the file copy. The original sent to Nininger would have been signed by Perry) (Letter transcribed by Mark Bostick, www.meteoritearticles.com)
[meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950
(American Meteorite Museum Letterhead) AMERICAN METEORITE MUSUEM OPPOSITE METEOR CRATER ON HIGHWAY 66 POST OFFICE BOX 1171 WINSLOW ARIZONA September 29, 1950 Mr. S. H. Perry Adrian, Michigan Dear Friend Perry: I am enclosing some of my recently discovered metallic droplets which we take from the soil magnetically here around the big crater. You may have these if, in return, you will furnish me some photomicrographs of them, with your idea as my very definite opinion that they are condensation products. These are proving the most important find that I have made for many years. They are in great abundance but are so mixed up with so much magnetic "junk" that a small group like this I am sending represents a half day's work. They are mounted in selectron plastic. Sincerely, (signed) H.H. Nininger HHN: AN P. S. We finally finished up the attempt to secure the Peruvian meteorite and came up with a little piece about 1 1/2" in diameter weighing 108 grams. The poor fellow was unable to get the specimen out of the country because of religious prejudice and legal interference. He was near being imprisoned. The whole story will be written for publication. HHN
Re: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! One of my favorite retorts to manager-types when they come up with some brilliant new idea (which those of us that actually do the work know is doomed to fail) is: Theories always work on paper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re-2: [meteorite-list] Sonic Booms Associated With Recovered Falls?
Hello Rob, Jeff, and List, Jeff asked: I am curious if anyone knows of recovered meteorites which have had sonic booms heard/felt during their fall. Rob responded: the Bovedy fall of April 1969, Northern Ireland produced (sonic?) booms that were caught on audio tape. And the Leighlinbridge fall (Ireland again, but Eire) was reported to have rattled windows and tripped burglar alarms witnesses thought that a bomb had exploded. Here is some more of interest, so enjoy: 1. Adzhi-Bogdo (LL3-6): Black objects that produced crackling sounds like gunshots, flew eastward through the heavens trailing green smoke. 2. Allegan (H5): The explosion was reported as cannon-like, and was followed by a hissing sound compared with that of an engine blowing off steam. 3. Cabin Creek (IIIA): People in the town of Dardanelle, about 25 km southeast of the landing site, were startled by an unusually loud report, accompanied by a peculiar whizzing sound as if hot metal had come in contact with water. 4. Crumlin (L5): .. a noise like thunder or the rolling of drums broke overhead. .. described the report as twofold and followed by a whizzing noise or the sound of escaping steam. 5. Felix (CO3): .. his attention was attracted by a loud rumbling noise sounding very much like thunder. 6. Hatford (1628): .. a hizzing noise made way through the air, not unlike the flying of bullets from the mouth of great ordnance, ... 7. Holbrook (L6): The noise it created was very loud and lasted for at least half a minute and sounded somewhat like distant thunder, or the booming of a cannon in the distance. This noise has been variously likened by witnesses, to the rumbling of a rapidly driven farm wagon on a rough road, to escaping steam, to distant or long continued thunder or the booming of a cannon. 8. Magombedze (H6): The fall was proceeded by three loud detonation sounds and 'an approaching aeroplane-like noise,' landing with a thud ... 9. Mooresfort (H5): Appearance of moving cloud and sounds like thunder. 10. Noblesville (H4): No light or sound except for the w h i r r i n g sound as it passed and the thud in the ground was noticed. They were facing south and heard a low pitched whistle or whirring sound as the meteorite passed them coming from the north or slightly west of north. 11. Pontlyfni (WIN) .. he heard a rushing, whistling sound. .. a peculiar whistling noise as of a projectile. 12. Rowton (IIIA): .. the sound was heard as of something falling during a heavy shower of rain, accompanied by a hissing and then a rumbling noise. a strange rumbling noise was heard in the atmosphere, followed almost instantaneously by a startling explosion resembling a discharge of heavy artillery. 13. Stratford (L6): A whistling sound was heard. 13. St. Robert (H5): At least one observer noted electrophonic sounds heard simultaneously with the passage of the fireball. 14. Campos Sales (L4): ... a loud buzzing noise Most observers reported astonishment by the fireball, the sonic boom, and the whizzing (like the sound of bullets) of the falling stones. 15. Piplia Kalan (EUC): The meteorite was accompanied by three loud widely heard detonations, a hissing sound along the trail, ... 16. Juancheng (H5): They heard a roaring sound for 2 to 3 minutes, ... 17. Ashdon (L6): He heard a loud sissing noise and supposed that an aeroplane was overhead. 18. Baldwyn (L6): ... humming noise 19. Binningup (H5): ... whistling noise 20. Middlesbrough (L6): .. heard a whizzing or rushing noise in the air, ... 21. Peckelsheim (DIO): ... a whining noise 22. Quesa (IRANOM): They heard a brief noise as of an approaching storm. 23. Rampurhat (LL): ... a roaring noise 24. Ruhobobo (L6): ...a noise like that of a jet aeroplane 25. Sharps (H3): ... a w h i r r i n g noise 26. Trebbin (LL6): The fall was accompanied by a loud hissing noise, ... 27. Warrenton (CO3): ... a whistling noise 28. Wold Cottage (L6): .. heard various noises in the air, like pistols, or distant guns at sea, felt two distinct concussions of the earth, and heard a hissing noise passing through the air ... __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
I am not quite sure if you know what a theory is: it is a theory :-). Every theory is made up. Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. If the theory does that, one starts to accept it. I fit doesn't you drop it or rewrite it. And not every theory works on paper :-). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off! a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! One of my favorite retorts to manager-types when they come up with some brilliant new idea (which those of us that actually do the work know is doomed to fail) is: Theories always work on paper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Park Forest article in MAPS
Hi All Thought everyone might be interested in an upcoming article in Meteoritics and Planetary Sciences April edition. The article details the Park Forest meteorite fall. If you follow the link for the issue you can read the abstract onlyfor the article. The fall, recovery, and classification of the Park Forest meteorite.S. B. SIMON,* L. GROSSMAN, R. N. CLAYTON, T. K. MAYEDA, J. R. SCHWADE, P. P. SIPIERA, J. F. WACKER, and M. WADHWA http://meteoritics.org/Abst_39-4.htm#Simon If you are a hard core PF junkie and want the whole article but do not subscribe to the journal you can always order a back issue of the April edition. Hopefully you do not have to be a member to order one. If you do just let me know and I would be happy to order it for any list members. Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264Bill Jensen IMCA 2359Jensen Meteorites16730 E Ada PLAurora, CO 80017-3137303-337-4361Web Site: Jensen Meteorites New Book: Meteorites from A to Z
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - April 6, 2004
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/mer2004/daily/4-6-04.cfm Opportunity Status for sol 70 100-Meter Dash Apr. 6, 12:45 pm PST Opportunity dashed away from the rim of its Eagle Crater landing-site on sol 70, which ended at 6:20 a.m. PST on April 5. The roughly 100-meter (about 328 feet) drive led the rover to a target area dubbed Anatolia, along a sinuous crack in the plains of Meridiani Planum defined by deep impressions in the sand sprinkled with Eagle Crater-like rocks. In the coming sols Opportunity will further investigate the rocks in this mini-outcrop. Before leaving the vicinity of Eagle Crater, Opportunity performed a maneuver on Bounce rock lightheartedly called crush and go by the rover engineers. In order to gather further information about the rock's hardness, the intentional drive over Bounce was an attempt to fracture it. The science team is awaiting images from the rover's rear hazard avoidance camera to see the results. An appropriate tune - Truckin' by The Greatful Dead - woke Opportunity this sol. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] pinpointing fall locations from observation reports
Hi List, I want to develop a computer program that will analyse observation data and then predict fall locations. In order to get through the first stage I require access to observation reports for actual finds, and then the corresponding location data i.e. Lat and Long , span of strewnfield etc. Have any list members access to such data that they would be willing to share ? or does anyone know if this can be accessed in the public domain and where ? I believe some programs were put together in the pre PC days using basicon BBC/Acorn computersand possibly Commodore's and Sinclair's . Has anyone any old disks with this type of program or maybe better the coding listing ? Truly grateful for any help on this. Thanks in advance ! Ken O'Neill
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[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - April 7, 2004
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Monitoring Magnets on Mars - sol 92, Apr 07, 2004 Spirit awoke on sol 92, which ended at 7:18 p.m. PST on April 6, and completed some early morning panoramic camera sky and ground measurements. Spirit also took a look at the capture and filter magnets with the panoramic camera prior to taking a short mid-morning nap. Upon wake-up around 12:30 p.m. Mars Local Solar Time, the rover opened the doors on the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer and took 3 images of each magnet. Spirit also placed the Mössbauer spectrometer on the capture magnet and began an integration. In the afternoon, Spirit completed coordinated observations with the thermal emission spectrometer instrument on NASA's Mars Global Surveyor orbiter. The observations involved miniature thermal emission spectrometer pre-flight, simultaneous, and post-flight sky and ground measurements. Spirit also collected a panoramic camera opacity observation. Early on Sol 93, which ends at 7:57 p.m. on April 7, the rover will switch the instruments on its instrument deployment device from the Mössbauer spectrometer to the alpha particle X-ray spectrometer. Sol 93 is the last day for newly planned science observations, as Spirit will be getting a flight software update during sols 94-98. OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Traveling Around the Trough - sol 72, Apr 07, 2004 The Wanderer by Dion and the Belmonts woke Opportunity on its 72nd sol, which ended at 7:39 a.m. PST on April 7. The rover drove around the sinuous trough in a long dogleg pattern. Remote sensing to examine the crevice was conducted on the 50-meter (164 feet) drive to its ultimate position for the sol, at the northeast extreme of Anatolia. On sol 73, the rover will perform a trenching operation in the soil. During the following sol, the instrument's arm will be placed on the trenched area. The planned flight software upload will begin on Opportunity's 75th sol. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pribram
Hi, Seeing as today is the anniversary of the Pribram meteorite fall. I was wondering if any of this meteorite is in private collections; and, more importantly, if anyone knows if any is available for sale? Thanks, Peter Scherff
Re: [meteorite-list] Sonic Booms Associated With Recovered Falls?
Eye/Ear witness observation: Maryville, TN, USA 1983, Bolide 1-2 kg single well rounded stone(H5?) recovered Yes to the report of the bolide, Yes to the sonic boom. Possible as to echo from distant ridges12-18 miles away. Angle of decent was apparently vertical from the observer's perspective (3-5 miles southwest of ground zero), Duration of the fireball once detected was under 2 seconds. Sunburn: almost (wink) The fall occured near 4am local and the combined vectors produced a VERY fast moving, fiery, smoky, and noisy entry. Smoke columnextended from 3-4 miles above the ground(800ft asl) to as far as the neked eye could see. (Now I know how Jack felt contemplating the bean stalk). Elton Jeff Kuyken wrote: G'day List, I am curious if anyone knows of recovered meteorites which have had sonic booms heard/felt during their fall. Is this something which just depends on velocity or do other factors such as type, angle of descent, height above sea level, etc also have an influence? Thanks in advance, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Web-Based Program Calculates Effects of an Earth Impact
http://uanews.org/cgi-bin/WebObjects/UANews.woa/2/wa/SRStoryDetails?ArticleID=8820 WEB-BASED PROGRAM CALCULATES EFFECTS OF AN EARTH IMPACT From Lori Stiles, UA News Services, 520-621-1877 April 7,2004 -- Contact Information H. Jay Melosh 520-621-2806 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Robert Marcus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gareth Collins 520-626-5065 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Related Web site Earth Impact Effects Program http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects -- Next time an asteroid or comet is on a collision course with Earth you can go to a web site to find out if you have time to finish lunch or need to jump in the car and DRIVE. University of Arizona scientists are launching an easy-to-use, web-based program that tells you how the collision will affect your spot on the globe by calculating several environmental consequences of its impact. Starting today, the program is online at http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects You type in your distance from the predicted impact site, the size and type of projectile (e.g. ice, rock, or iron) and other information. Then the Earth Impact Effects Program calculates impact energies and crater size. It next summarizes thermal radiation, seismic shaking, ejecta deposition (where all that flying stuff will land), and air-blast effects in language that non-scientists understand. For those who want to know how all these calculations are made, the web page will include a description of our algorithm, with citations to the scientific sources used, said Robert Marcus, a UA undergraduate in the UA/NASA Space Grant Program. He discussed the project recently at the 35th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference meeting in Houston, Texas. Marcus developed the web site in collaboration with planetary sciences Regents¹ Professor H. Jay Melosh and research associate Gareth Collins of UA¹s Lunar and Planetary Laboratory. Melosh is a leading expert on impact cratering and one of the first scientists reporters call when rumors of big, Earth-smashing objects begin to circulate. Reporters and scientists both want to know the same thing: how much damage a particular collision would wrack on communities near the impact site. The web site is valuable for scientists because they don't have to spend time digging up the equations and data needed to calculate the effects, Melosh said. Similarly, it makes the information available to reporters and other non-scientists who don't know how to make the calculations. It seemed to us that this is something we could automate, if we could find some very capable person to help us construct the website, Melosh said. That person turned out to be Marcus, who is majoring in computer engineering and physics. He applied to work on the project as a paid intern through the UA/NASA Space Grant Program. Marcus built the web-based program around four environmental effects. In order of their occurrence, they are: 1) Thermal radiation. An expanding fireball of searing vapor occurs at impact. The program calculates how this fireball will expand, when maximum radiation will occur, and how much of the fireball will be seen above the horizon. The researchers based their radiation calculations on information found in The Effect of Nuclear Weapons. This 1977 book, by the U.S. Defense Department and U.S. Department of Energy, details considerable research into what different degrees of thermal radiation from blasts will do, Melosh noted. We determine at a given distance what type of damage the radiation causes, Marcus said. We have descriptions like when grass will ignite, when plywood or newspaper will ignite, when humans will suffer 2nd or 3rd degree burns. 2) Seismic shaking. The impact generates seismic waves that travel far from the impact site. The program uses California earthquake data and computes a Richter scale magnitude for the impact. Accompanying text describes shaking intensity at the specified distance from the impact site using a modified Mercalli scale This is a set of 12 descriptions ranging from general destruction to only mildly felt. Now suppose the dinosaurs had this program 65 million years ago. They could have used it to determine the environmental consequences of the 15-kilometer-diameter asteroid that smashed into Earth, forming the Chicxulub Crater. The program would have told them to expect seismic shaking of magnitude 10.2 on the Richter scale. They also would have found (supposing that the continents were lined up as they are now) that the ground would be shaking so violently 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) away in Houston that dinosaurs living there would have trouble walking, or even standing up. If the Chicxulub Crater-impact occurred today, glass in Houston would break. Masonry and plaster would crack. Trees and bushes would shake, ponds would form waves and become turbid with mud, sand and gravel banks would cave in, and bells in Houston schools and churches would ring
Re: [meteorite-list] RE: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off!
Bern writes: Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. Dear Bern, Tom and List, Then we get to the real cause of abundance in theories, when the reality factor is not set in concrete. Such as origin of planets, impact crators from millions of years ago, big bang, big double bang, ect. Theory is the possible answer to a probable event. Only active , inquisitive , searching minds , lots of theories, questions , hard work and devotion to the truthand time, make theories a reality. Example: Mars is a dry planet. How many scientists have been sure of this for how many years? Others had differing opinions or theeories. What it took was the actual now Mars probes, to prove the latter was indeed fact. Theories mean people are questing for truth, keeping the fires of wanting to know the truth, then figuring out a way of finally doing it, like packing a suitcase before a trip. Theories are all good, maybe not right, but good .As past history has recorded, and future history will also attest to. My thoughts. Best regards all, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- I am not quite sure if you know what a theory is: it is a theory :-). Every theory is made up. Then one sees how it predicts or describes reality. If the theory does that, one starts to accept it. I fit doesn't you drop it or rewrite it. And not every theory works on paper :-). _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] This is going to p_ ss you all off! a new theory was needed, so they made one up and it worked! One of my favorite retorts to manager-types when they come up with some brilliant new idea (which those of us that actually do the work know is doomed to fail) is: Theories always work on paper. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
[meteorite-list] Garmin GPS unit evaluation for meteorite hunting
Hi All, Wanted to thank Ron Baalke for posting the link to a Garmin GPS comparison website: http://www.gpsnow.com/gpscmpm.htm For those that haven't checked it out, perhaps my analysis will save you some time as far as the selection of a GPS unit best-suited for meteorite recovery work. First, my requirements: 1. Large # of track points -- at least 2000. For a 1-day trip, and 8 hours of active hunting, I would need 480 track points at 1-minute temporal resolution. So 2000 track points would support trips of up to 4 days without computer access. 2. WAAS accuracy a must. 3. Waypoints (for marking find locations) -- would like at least 500 active at a given time; for multi-day trips at multiple locations, it would be nice to have 1000. 4. PC interface: USB preferred; 9-pin serial acceptable. 5. Battery life: the longer the better 6. Display: the greater the # of pixels, the better Other features which are nice to have, but not critical: 1. Electronic compass 2. 2-way radio with position reporting 3. Detachable or external antenna hookup 13 units are compared at this site, three of which (the most expensive ones) are dash-mounted, so that leaves 10. Battery life is only 1.5-5 hours on the Garmin iQue 3600, which is the most expensive of the handheld models. This is because it has a lot of extra bells and whistles (PDA, voice recorder, MP3 player). It also uses a rechargeable lithium-ion battery, which adds to the expense if you need to carry an extra one along. Nice unit, but overkill on features and not optimum for meteorite hunting. That leaves 9 units, which can be separated into two groups -- those with electronic compass and barometric altimeter, and those without: No compass/altimeter: Track Way- Inter- Batt. Approx. Garmin Unit Pnts. Pnts. face Life Pixels Colors Price - - -- - -- -- -- 1. eTrex Legend 1 1000 9-pin 1846080 4-gray $200 2. Rino 120 2048 500 9-pin 1525600 4-gray $250 3. GPSMAP 761 1000 9-pin 1643200 4-gray $300 4. V Deluxe 3000 500 9-pin 2540960 4-gray $400 5. GPSMAP 60C 1 1000 USB3038400 256 $450 With compass altimeter: Track Way- Inter- Batt. Approx. Garmin Unit Pnts. Pnts. face Life Pixels Colors Price - - -- - -- -- -- 6. eTrex Vista 1 1000 9-pin 1246080 4-gray $300 7. Rino 130 2048 500 9-pin 1425600 4-gray $350 8. GPSMAP 76S 1 1000 9-pin 1043200 4-gray $400 9. GPSMAP 60CS 1 1000 USB3038400 256 $500 The compass feature is nice, but I don't think you'd need the altimeter for meteorite hunting. However, if you're planning to use the GPS for backpacking, the altimeter would be a nice feature. Basically you pay an extra $100 for the altimeter/compass option ($50 extra for the GPSMAP 60CS vs. 60C). The V Deluxe has a detachable GPS antenna and includes a MapSource CD-ROM (MapSource North America City Select). Fancy maps are fine for driving navigation or trail hiking, but you'll find they're of little use for wilderness meteorite hunting. The places you're most likely to find meteorites are the very places that tend to be devoid of interesting map features, so if you're only using the GPS for meteorite hunting, I wouldn't spend a lot of extra money on the mapping capabilities. One thing that looks odd in these lists is that the eTrex appears to be a better deal than the GPSMAP 76. It has the same # of track points and waypoints, 4-gray-scale display and 9-pin interface, but the eTrex has slightly MORE pixels and a little longer battery life and yet costs $100 less! The reason for the disparity is a feature I failed to include -- screen size. The GPSMAP 76 has a 52% larger display than the eTrex (it also has an external antenna hookup and more route features). That's one problem with the Rino units -- the display is puny: only 1.4 x 1.4. On this basis alone, I probably wouldn't buy one. This is unfortunate, because they do have that nice 2-way radio and position reporting feature. The eTrex display isn't much better -- 2.1 x 1.1 versus 2.2 x 1.6 for the GPSMAP 76. Based on all this, my Garmin GPS recommendation would be the GPSMAP 76 (or GPSMAP 76S if you want the altimeter/compass). If you have young eyes, you can probably get away with spending $100 less for the eTrex. One other cool feature of the GPSMAP 76's: they float! Also, I just checked the too low to advertise price at the above website -- you can get the GPSMAP 76 there for only $256.90 including shipping! (The 76S is only $316.90 including shipping.) That's a pretty good deal. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] HEDO
Dear List Members, This did not post earlier so we will try again. It looks like NWA 1877 was accepted by the NomCom as the fifth member of the new Olivine Diogenite group. Three of the five are from Antarctica and the addition of NWA 1459 and NWA 1877 makes a full blown group. Dr. Irving is writing a paper on the parameters required to qualify for this new group. Several institutions are requesting material so it should be a collaborative process. It is good to see the expansion of the HED to the HEDO group is being accepted by both the scientific and collector communities alike. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad. Several Large Franconia Slices Now Available
Hello everyone. We have just posted several nice large slices from Arizona's newest meteorite, provisionally known as 'Franconia'. Feel free to check them out on our website: http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com. You may also want to take a look at a very beautiful NWA 2089 (LL3) that we have also just posted. Thanks for looking! Cheers John Dawn Arizona Skies Meteorites P.O. Box 42662 Tucson, AZ 85733 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950
In a message dated 4/7/2004 8:42:51 AM Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: P. S. We finally finished up the attempt to secure the Peruvian meteorite and came up with a little piece about 1 1/2" in diameter weighing 108 grams. The poor fellow was unable to get the specimen out of the country because of religious prejudice and legal interference. He was near being imprisoned. The whole story will be written for publication. Obviously he is talking about Tambo Quemado. I would like to read the "whole story" that he wrote and published.. Anne M. Black www. IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMCA #2356
Re: [meteorite-list] Nininger to Perry letter, Sept. 29, 1950
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Obviously he is talking about Tambo Quemado. I would like to read the "whole story" that he wrote and published.. I'vebeen going over myvolumeof his complete published papers and can't seem to find it. Are we sure it DID get published, or perhaps he juststated his intention to write itbut maybe he never did? GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
Re: [meteorite-list] HEDO
Does anyone know what the names of the three Antarctic Olivine Diogenites are? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] HEDO Dear List Members,This did not post earlier so we will try again.It looks like NWA 1877 was accepted by the NomCom as the fifth member of thenew "Olivine Diogenite" group. Three of the five are from Antarctica andthe addition of NWA 1459 and NWA 1877 makes a full blown group. Dr. Irvingis writing a paper on the parameters required to qualify for this new group.Several institutions are requesting material so it should be a collaborativeprocess. It is good to see the expansion of the HED to the HEDO group isbeing accepted by both the scientific and collector communities alike.All the best,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionTeam LunarRockIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Franconia classification/variations
Hi List, After seeing some of the Franconia posts and their pictures, I got to thinking, does anyone know how many different types of the Franconia Wash meteorite from Arizona there are? I don't live far from there and have searched the field a few times and have been told by another in the field that there are more then one type. Turns out that along with the Hs there have been a couple of Ls or maybe LLs found. I've even been told that some could be an impact melt. If this is the case then it would make sense that you would find a couple of different classs within the same fall. Does anyone know anything about this? I have a couple of Franconias that have some strange fissures (dont really know what else to call it) in them where it looks like material has been melted out during its fiery flight. Could the fissures be an area between the L, LL or H where the stone is less dense due to less iron if some are impact melts? Or is this typical of some Franconias to have these melte d out cuts in them? If these fissures are typical, has any larger stones been sectioned where these fissures are to see if the stones very in metal content? Here are a few pictures showing some of the variations in the stones. This is my largest stone showing a couple of the fissures in it: http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50427967.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50427972.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50427976.jpg The stone was purchased from the discoverer of the field back in February and is one of the largest found in the Franconia field and weighs a little over 14 lbs. It is virtually 100% fusion crusted with some nice thumbprints. This is my smallest also showing a fissure: http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50428332.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50428328.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50428322.jpg It is somewhat oriented and weighs 380 grams. This last one is different in that it has none of the features of the first two but shows some lines like flow lines or shear lines: http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50427934.jpg http://pic5.picturetrail.com/VOL83/509877/4051423/50427955.jpg It is 100% fusion crusted and weighs close to 7.5 lbs Thanks, Wally Las Vegas Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] HEDO
Hello Jeff and List, The Antarctic Olivine Diogenites are: ALHA77256 EETA79002 GRA98108 Northwest African Olivine Diogenites are: NWA 1459 NWA 1877 Here is an abstract that compares four of the five: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2003/pdf/1502.pdf All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] HEDO Does anyone know what the names of the three Antarctic Olivine Diogenites are? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 08, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] HEDO Dear List Members,This did not post earlier so we will try again.It looks like NWA 1877 was accepted by the NomCom as the fifth member of thenew "Olivine Diogenite" group. Three of the five are from Antarctica andthe addition of NWA 1459 and NWA 1877 makes a full blown group. Dr. Irvingis writing a paper on the parameters required to qualify for this new group.Several institutions are requesting material so it should be a collaborativeprocess. It is good to see the expansion of the HED to the HEDO group isbeing accepted by both the scientific and collector communities alike.All the best,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionTeam LunarRockIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Garmin GPS unit evaluation for meteorite hunting
Rob and List, Thanks for the in comprehensive comparison of the Garmin GPS units. A similar comparison chart is available from REI and is a quick reference to the features, capabilities and limits of each unit. While we're on this subject, would any one like to comment on the different software programs used in conjunction with GPS units? I have both the Garmin MapSource (1: 100,000 scale) and the TOPO! program (1: 24,000 scale) sold under the National Geographic label for individual states. Both programs are easy to use and both have lots of nice features. What I would prefer is a combination of the two so I could have access to all the features in one interface. Anybody have any comments, good or bad, about these programs? BTW, if you do a little shopping around, you can find pretty good deals on the Garmin units. We recently bought two Etrex Legends for $140.00 each and I've found the Vista for under $250.00 Best, John Gwilliam At 04:07 PM 4/7/2004, Matson, Robert wrote: Hi All, Wanted to thank Ron Baalke for posting the link to a Garmin GPS comparison website: http://www.gpsnow.com/gpscmpm.htm For those that haven't checked it out, perhaps my analysis will save you some time as far as the selection of a GPS unit best-suited for meteorite recovery work. First, my requirements: 1. Large # of track points -- at least 2000. For a 1-day trip, and 8 hours of active hunting, I would need 480 track points at 1-minute temporal resolution. So 2000 track points would support trips of up to 4 days without computer access. 2. WAAS accuracy a must. 3. Waypoints (for marking find locations) -- would like at least 500 active at a given time; for multi-day trips at multiple locations, it would be nice to have 1000. 4. PC interface: USB preferred; 9-pin serial acceptable. 5. Battery life: the longer the better 6. Display: the greater the # of pixels, the better Other features which are nice to have, but not critical: 1. Electronic compass 2. 2-way radio with position reporting 3. Detachable or external antenna hookup 13 units are compared at this site, three of which (the most expensive ones) are dash-mounted, so that leaves 10. Battery life is only 1.5-5 hours on the Garmin iQue 3600, which is the most expensive of the handheld models. This is because it has a lot of extra bells and whistles (PDA, voice recorder, MP3 player). It also uses a rechargeable lithium-ion battery, which adds to the expense if you need to carry an extra one along. Nice unit, but overkill on features and not optimum for meteorite hunting. That leaves 9 units, which can be separated into two groups -- those with electronic compass and barometric altimeter, and those without: No compass/altimeter: Track Way- Inter- Batt. Approx. Garmin Unit Pnts. Pnts. face Life Pixels Colors Price - - -- - -- -- -- 1. eTrex Legend 1 1000 9-pin 1846080 4-gray $200 2. Rino 120 2048 500 9-pin 1525600 4-gray $250 3. GPSMAP 761 1000 9-pin 1643200 4-gray $300 4. V Deluxe 3000 500 9-pin 2540960 4-gray $400 5. GPSMAP 60C 1 1000 USB3038400 256 $450 With compass altimeter: Track Way- Inter- Batt. Approx. Garmin Unit Pnts. Pnts. face Life Pixels Colors Price - - -- - -- -- -- 6. eTrex Vista 1 1000 9-pin 1246080 4-gray $300 7. Rino 130 2048 500 9-pin 1425600 4-gray $350 8. GPSMAP 76S 1 1000 9-pin 1043200 4-gray $400 9. GPSMAP 60CS 1 1000 USB3038400 256 $500 The compass feature is nice, but I don't think you'd need the altimeter for meteorite hunting. However, if you're planning to use the GPS for backpacking, the altimeter would be a nice feature. Basically you pay an extra $100 for the altimeter/compass option ($50 extra for the GPSMAP 60CS vs. 60C). The V Deluxe has a detachable GPS antenna and includes a MapSource CD-ROM (MapSource North America City Select). Fancy maps are fine for driving navigation or trail hiking, but you'll find they're of little use for wilderness meteorite hunting. The places you're most likely to find meteorites are the very places that tend to be devoid of interesting map features, so if you're only using the GPS for meteorite hunting, I wouldn't spend a lot of extra money on the mapping capabilities. One thing that looks odd in these lists is that the eTrex appears to be a better deal than the GPSMAP 76. It has the same # of track points and waypoints, 4-gray-scale display and 9-pin interface, but the eTrex has slightly MORE pixels and a little longer battery life and yet costs $100 less! The reason for the disparity is a feature I failed to include -- screen size. The GPSMAP 76 has a 52% larger display than the eTrex (it also has an external antenna hookup and more route
Re: [meteorite-list] Agreements with property owners
Maria and List, It's important to remember that private property owners should be treated with respect and that their rules, requests and instructions be followed to the letter. It doesn't take too much for a land owner to get annoyed and close access to his property permanently. Those who have been on the list for a while can remember this topic being discussed a few years back. At that time, an issue was brought to light where a meteorite hunter had left behind some trash on private land resulting in the owner denying any further access to his property. I've been on both sides of the fence with this issue, so I can speak from experience. My family owned two different ranches in Southern Arizona and it was common for folks to want access to our land. Theses weren't meteorite hunters, but rather hunters At 06:53 AM 4/6/2004, Maria Haas wrote: Dear List, In the near future I plan to approach a property owner with a lot of farmland near where I live for permission to hunt meteorites. I have walked other people's fields with permission but have never known what type of agreement to make with a property owner for a meteorite find. I would be more comfortable if I had something in writing before a situation presents itself. I wondered if you would please share your agreements and experiences (good and bad) with property owners as it relates to a find. Any guidance you can provide will help, Maria Haas _ Limited-time offer: Fast, reliable MSN 9 Dial-up Internet access FREE for 2 months! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialuppgmarket=en-usST=1/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
