Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Hey steve Thank you for the info, I find it interesting that the day rate in England sits at around 170 - 220 pounds a day it is around 450$ - 550$ AUD per day here in oz. senior I guess I cover both side been doing it for a long time and also can do the hard stuff, haven't heard it explained that way before. cheers mate -adam On 14/03/2014, at 8:43 PM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Hi Adam, I guess its all down to supply and demand. There are a lot of guys wanting to work in London/UK and the companies receive hundreds of applications with many people applying from Eastern Europe or the Far East where expectations for salaries are generally lower compared to people coming from the States or I guess Oz/New Zealand. This seems to have the affect of driving the salaries down, and only recently we've seen big FX houses decide to let go of experienced (expensive) artists and try and replace them with cheaper (less experienced) artists. We'll see the effects of this in coming months when some big shows deliver. I find the whole junior/mid/senior labelling a bit misleading. Once company's senior could come in to another facility and struggle. There seems to be quite common that people define their status by how long they have been working rather than the level of work they produce. Most artists with more than 5 years experience seem to be called seniors, but there will be people doing it half that time who can produce better work, so structuring a person's pay purely based on how long they've been working seems unfair. Sounds like things are good in Oz if you guys can make the equivalent of £78000 a year. There won't be too many seniors here on that kind of money I'm sur, but come over, negotiate hard and see what you can get :) Steve ps. all this is just my personal opinion and in no way a view based on any company or inside knowledge :) On 14/03/14 10:39, adam jones wrote: Hey steve Thank you for the info, I find it interesting that the day rate in England sits at around 170 - 220 pounds a day it is around 450$ - 550$ AUD per day here in oz. senior I guess I cover both side been doing it for a long time and also can do the hard stuff, haven't heard it explained that way before. cheers mate -adam On 14/03/2014, at 8:43 PM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
That's kind of my point. You'll find plenty of 'seniors' on less than 45K in small facilities in London, and yup you hit the nail on the head, people who stay in one company for a long time, get their 1-2% pay rise every year (when not in the perpetual pay freeze) and have zero concept oh how they stack up with other artists at other facilities. It's not like it used to be. It's a double edged sword where its very hard to progress unless you stick around for a bit, so you either move around, follow the money and do the shots, or stay put and try and work your way up. But anyway... Nuke eh? ;) On 14/03/14 11:45, Gustaf Nilsson wrote: If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com mailto:s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk mailto:Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk mailto:Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Funny, the London plumbing scene can take on a wave of millions of eastern european workers and still charge 40 quid an hour, maybe we can learn something from them? Its all about connecting pipes, innit? ;) On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: Hi Adam, I guess its all down to supply and demand. There are a lot of guys wanting to work in London/UK and the companies receive hundreds of applications with many people applying from Eastern Europe or the Far East where expectations for salaries are generally lower compared to people coming from the States or I guess Oz/New Zealand. This seems to have the affect of driving the salaries down, and only recently we've seen big FX houses decide to let go of experienced (expensive) artists and try and replace them with cheaper (less experienced) artists. We'll see the effects of this in coming months when some big shows deliver. I find the whole junior/mid/senior labelling a bit misleading. Once company's senior could come in to another facility and struggle. There seems to be quite common that people define their status by how long they have been working rather than the level of work they produce. Most artists with more than 5 years experience seem to be called seniors, but there will be people doing it half that time who can produce better work, so structuring a person's pay purely based on how long they've been working seems unfair. Sounds like things are good in Oz if you guys can make the equivalent of £78000 a year. There won't be too many seniors here on that kind of money I'm sur, but come over, negotiate hard and see what you can get :) Steve ps. all this is just my personal opinion and in no way a view based on any company or inside knowledge :) On 14/03/14 10:39, adam jones wrote: Hey steve Thank you for the info, I find it interesting that the day rate in England sits at around 170 - 220 pounds a day it is around 450$ - 550$ AUD per day here in oz. senior I guess I cover both side been doing it for a long time and also can do the hard stuff, haven't heard it explained that way before. cheers mate -adam On 14/03/2014, at 8:43 PM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
[Nuke-users] Gizmo Crashes on loadup
Hi - just wondered if anyone out there had managed to take a quick peek at my gizmo - struggling to find the problem with it...? If not no worries - ill plough onwards into the great unknown... Thanks -- Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes www.neilscholes.com ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] Gizmo Crashes on loadup
I only get an error about the viewerprocess which is in the gizmo which is easy enough to fix. Other then that it works fine here. Maybe something in your environment is causing issues or you need a more up to date version of the 3d tools. I downloaded the newest Lens Distortion Plugin Kit 1.7 from the 3d site. I would also try launching nuke with --safe in the shell and then try loading the Nuke 3de plugins + gizmo manually. -- Deke Kincaid Creative Specialist The Foundry Skype: dekekincaid Tel: (310) 399 4555 - Mobile: (310) 883 4313 Web: www.thefoundry.co.uk Email: d...@thefoundry.co.uk On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes n...@uvfilms.co.uk wrote: Hi - just wondered if anyone out there had managed to take a quick peek at my gizmo - struggling to find the problem with it...? If not no worries - ill plough onwards into the great unknown... Thanks -- Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes www.neilscholes.com ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] Gizmo Crashes on loadup
Thanks Deke for checking this out; ill go through your advice carefully. Must have something set wrong on my system Thanks again N Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes www.neilscholes.com On 14/03/14 17:32, Deke Kincaid wrote: I only get an error about the viewerprocess which is in the gizmo which is easy enough to fix. Other then that it works fine here. Maybe something in your environment is causing issues or you need a more up to date version of the 3d tools. I downloaded the newest Lens Distortion Plugin Kit 1.7 from the 3d site. I would also try launching nuke with --safe in the shell and then try loading the Nuke 3de plugins + gizmo manually. -- Deke Kincaid Creative Specialist The Foundry Skype: dekekincaid Tel: (310) 399 4555 - Mobile: (310) 883 4313 Web: www.thefoundry.co.uk http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/ Email: d...@thefoundry.co.uk mailto:d...@thefoundry.co.uk On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes n...@uvfilms.co.uk mailto:n...@uvfilms.co.uk wrote: Hi - just wondered if anyone out there had managed to take a quick peek at my gizmo - struggling to find the problem with it...? If not no worries - ill plough onwards into the great unknown... Thanks -- Neil Rögnvaldr Scholes www.neilscholes.com http://www.neilscholes.com ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk mailto:Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Just out of curiosity, A bit off topic, What do you consider to be the hard stuff? Sent from my iPad On Mar 14, 2014, at 3:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Either way, most qualified people I know tend to be under paid, and based on my experience, companies will always try to take the piss as the people that negotiate with you often don't have a clue where your skill set fits into their copmany, and what you actually bring to the table - and most don't want to know either. To quote somebody from a local python mailing list: "The criteria used for hiring often don't match the culture in the workplace. " This can easily be transferred to rates and quality of work, i.e. "the rates offered to the artists often don't match the expected performance" I have had requests from some of the big facilities basically asking me if I know a junior that could do what I do. Of course they used different words and tried to make me feel honoured that they would ask me for my opinion. My reply was "you get what you pay for" - never heard anything again from them. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all need to be a bit more accountable as to the rate we aim for. Aim too low, and you may get the job today, but you will become part of the problem, and the ongoing commoditisation of top vfx experience, and your work will not be valued. One argument I have learned to never accept from the big facilities when they try to hire you for another million dollar blockbuster is "it's not in our budget". that is the lamest excuse. It's like going to the shops, filling up your trolly and telling the check out girl that the total price is not in your budget - and expect a friendly "oh, well , that's fine then - have a good day". One of the most challenging parts of my career has been to figure out for myself what I really think my work is worth, rather than what I think I can get away with. It's been 18 years and am still struggling with that :-D frank On 3/15/14, 12:55 AM, Steve Newbold wrote: That's kind of my point. You'll find plenty of 'seniors' on less than 45K in small facilities in London, and yup you hit the nail on the head, people who stay in one company for a long time, get their 1-2% pay rise every year (when not in the perpetual pay freeze) and have zero concept oh how they stack up with other artists at other facilities. It's not like it used to be. It's a double edged sword where its very hard to progress unless you stick around for a bit, so you either move around, follow the money and do the shots, or stay put and try and work your way up. But anyway... Nuke eh? ;) On 14/03/14 11:45, Gustaf Nilsson wrote: If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between 170-220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk,
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
well said frank. you have put into word in an elegant way what I try and explain to people all of the time, its a slow road but the more artists that think this way the easier it will become. cheers -adam On 15/03/2014, at 10:20 AM, Frank Rueter|OHUfx fr...@ohufx.com wrote: Either way, most qualified people I know tend to be under paid, and based on my experience, companies will always try to take the piss as the people that negotiate with you often don't have a clue where your skill set fits into their copmany, and what you actually bring to the table - and most don't want to know either. To quote somebody from a local python mailing list: The criteria used for hiring often don't match the culture in the workplace. This can easily be transferred to rates and quality of work, i.e. the rates offered to the artists often don't match the expected performance I have had requests from some of the big facilities basically asking me if I know a junior that could do what I do. Of course they used different words and tried to make me feel honoured that they would ask me for my opinion. My reply was you get what you pay for - never heard anything again from them. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all need to be a bit more accountable as to the rate we aim for. Aim too low, and you may get the job today, but you will become part of the problem, and the ongoing commoditisation of top vfx experience, and your work will not be valued. One argument I have learned to never accept from the big facilities when they try to hire you for another million dollar blockbuster is it's not in our budget. that is the lamest excuse. It's like going to the shops, filling up your trolly and telling the check out girl that the total price is not in your budget - and expect a friendly oh, well , that's fine then - have a good day. One of the most challenging parts of my career has been to figure out for myself what I really think my work is worth, rather than what I think I can get away with. It's been 18 years and am still struggling with that :-D frank On 3/15/14, 12:55 AM, Steve Newbold wrote: That's kind of my point. You'll find plenty of 'seniors' on less than 45K in small facilities in London, and yup you hit the nail on the head, people who stay in one company for a long time, get their 1-2% pay rise every year (when not in the perpetual pay freeze) and have zero concept oh how they stack up with other artists at other facilities. It's not like it used to be. It's a double edged sword where its very hard to progress unless you stick around for a bit, so you either move around, follow the money and do the shots, or stay put and try and work your way up. But anyway... Nuke eh? ;) On 14/03/14 11:45, Gustaf Nilsson wrote: If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk,
Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK
Absofrigin-lutley! Very interesting thread, and considering the shear skill set needed and uber high level of expertise required for great vfx creation, the right price can always be negotiated confidently and reasonably. Neil Scholes Sent from my iPad On 14 Mar 2014, at 23:37, adam jones adam@mac.com wrote: well said frank. you have put into word in an elegant way what I try and explain to people all of the time, its a slow road but the more artists that think this way the easier it will become. cheers -adam On 15/03/2014, at 10:20 AM, Frank Rueter|OHUfx fr...@ohufx.com wrote: Either way, most qualified people I know tend to be under paid, and based on my experience, companies will always try to take the piss as the people that negotiate with you often don't have a clue where your skill set fits into their copmany, and what you actually bring to the table - and most don't want to know either. To quote somebody from a local python mailing list: The criteria used for hiring often don't match the culture in the workplace. This can easily be transferred to rates and quality of work, i.e. the rates offered to the artists often don't match the expected performance I have had requests from some of the big facilities basically asking me if I know a junior that could do what I do. Of course they used different words and tried to make me feel honoured that they would ask me for my opinion. My reply was you get what you pay for - never heard anything again from them. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all need to be a bit more accountable as to the rate we aim for. Aim too low, and you may get the job today, but you will become part of the problem, and the ongoing commoditisation of top vfx experience, and your work will not be valued. One argument I have learned to never accept from the big facilities when they try to hire you for another million dollar blockbuster is it's not in our budget. that is the lamest excuse. It's like going to the shops, filling up your trolly and telling the check out girl that the total price is not in your budget - and expect a friendly oh, well , that's fine then - have a good day. One of the most challenging parts of my career has been to figure out for myself what I really think my work is worth, rather than what I think I can get away with. It's been 18 years and am still struggling with that :-D frank On 3/15/14, 12:55 AM, Steve Newbold wrote: That's kind of my point. You'll find plenty of 'seniors' on less than 45K in small facilities in London, and yup you hit the nail on the head, people who stay in one company for a long time, get their 1-2% pay rise every year (when not in the perpetual pay freeze) and have zero concept oh how they stack up with other artists at other facilities. It's not like it used to be. It's a double edged sword where its very hard to progress unless you stick around for a bit, so you either move around, follow the money and do the shots, or stay put and try and work your way up. But anyway... Nuke eh? ;) On 14/03/14 11:45, Gustaf Nilsson wrote: If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold s...@dneg.com wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups. At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months. There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users ___ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■
