Re: [Nuke-users] day rates in the UK

[Frank Rueter|OHUfx]

Either way, most qualified people I know tend to be under paid, and based on my experience, companies will always try to take the piss as the people that negotiate with you often don't have a clue where your skill set fits into their copmany, and what you actually bring to the table - and most don't want to know either. To quote somebody from a local python mailing list:     "The criteria used for hiring often don't match the culture in the workplace. " This can easily be transferred to rates and quality of work, i.e. "the rates offered to the artists often don't match the expected performance" I have had requests from some of the big facilities basically asking me if I know a junior that could do what I do. Of course they used different words and tried to make me feel honoured that they would ask me for my opinion. My reply was "you get what you pay for" - never heard anything again from them. Anyway, I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all need to be a bit more accountable as to the rate we aim for. Aim too low, and you may get the job today, but you will become part of the problem, and the ongoing commoditisation of top vfx experience, and your work will not be valued. One argument I have learned to never accept from the big facilities when they try to hire you for another million dollar blockbuster is "it's not in our budget". that is the lamest excuse. It's like going to the shops, filling up your trolly and telling the check out girl that the total price is not in your budget - and expect a friendly "oh, well , that's fine then - have a good day". One of the most challenging parts of my career has been to figure out for myself what I really think my work is worth, rather than what I think I can get away with. It's been 18 years and am still struggling with that :-D frank On 3/15/14, 12:55 AM, Steve Newbold wrote: That's kind of my point.  You'll find plenty of 'seniors' on less than 45K in small facilities in London, and yup you hit the nail on the head, people who stay in one company for a long time, get their 1-2% pay rise every year (when not in the perpetual pay freeze) and have zero concept oh how they stack up with other artists at other facilities.  It's not like it used to be.  It's a double edged sword where its very hard to progress unless you stick around for a bit, so you either move around, follow the money and do the shots, or stay put and try and work your way up. But anyway... Nuke eh? ;) On 14/03/14 11:45, Gustaf Nilsson wrote: If you are a senior on 170 a day then you must either be the worst negotiator on the planet or have stayed at the same company for too long. On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 9:43 AM, Steve Newbold <s...@dneg.com> wrote: UK companies seem to be very good at making sure that there is no such thing as average or 'typical' day rate and its more down to how desperate they are and how good you are at talking and whether you mean senior as in 'been doing it for a while', or senior as in 'can do the hard stuff' - the two can be different things depending on the company you are applying to. I would say between £170-£220 per day is typical for seniors in London depending on the facility, more for leads and more again for sups.  At this moment there is high demand for compositors but very short contracts so you might be able to get a good deal if you are willing to move companies every three months.  There is also very little difference between pay for film or commercials in the UK, so don't let anyone try that move on you...! Steve On 13/03/14 21:42, adam jones wrote: Hey all I was wondering if some one could inform me of an average day rate for a senior nuke comper in the UK. london or bristol off list replies are fine if you like. cheers all -adam _______________________________________________ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users _______________________________________________ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ ■ _______________________________________________ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users _______________________________________________ Nuke-users mailing list Nuke-users@support.thefoundry.co.uk, http://forums.thefoundry.co.uk/ http://support.thefoundry.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/nuke-users -- vfx compositing | workflow customisation and consulting

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