Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 2:18 PM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy (v1.16.4.24) here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least 
temporarily.


If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That diabled UO made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, 
but I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.


I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that 
uBlock may be a part of your problem.  Still, it's hard to tell if 
that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock 
is merely the symptom.


I wonder what is causing it. It currently shows 146,392 network filters 
＋ 70,867 cosmetic filters. Here's what my settings look like from my 
uploaded screen shot/capture: https://screenshot.cz/KG/KGLP5/uo.gif. :)



One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it? 


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.


Also, how full is your hard disk? 




I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying.

I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting 
out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey.


I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was 
really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard 
performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found 
that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors 
there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors.


Funny, I ran GSsmartControl yesterday and it had no errors after its two 
short tests. I didn't try its long tests yet (take about five hours!). 
If it was HDD related, then I would have issues outside of SM too.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 1:50 PM, David H. Durgee wrote:
...

I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C:
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.


200/20 on cable, but sometimes I have to use my iPhone 6+'s hotspot that 
is slow as dial-up and unstable due to rural location. Also, I like to 
restore tabs a lot with my inputted forms (assuming they get 
remembered). I'd hate to lose things like that. :(

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Re: Why I am still at 2.49.5

[Ray Davison]

Nuno Silva wrote:


https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzS3F7wST8xFsyWE9



Just to rule out extensions, can you check if this also happens (in
2.53.x) if you start SeaMonkey in SeaMonkey's safe mode?


I added one pic; 2.53.3 safe mode.

I now have a window that seems to have all the parts, but is very small 
both directions.  I cannot move or resize it.


Ray

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least 
temporarily.


If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but 
I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.


I fully agree about not liking Google, although that does indicate that 
uBlock may be a part of your problem.  Still, it's hard to tell if 
that's the true source of the problem, or something else, where uBlock 
is merely the symptom.


One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it?  


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.


Also, how full is your hard disk?  




I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)


That removes obvious sources, but worth verifying.

I'm wondering if your hard disk may be an issue, although that's getting 
out of the realm of anything specific to Seamonkey.


I know that several years ago, I saw more than one machine that was 
really struggling on performance with Firefox, and when all my standard 
performance troubleshooting techniques didn't turn up anything, I found 
that when I ran a SMART check of the hard drive, I was getting errors 
there. In each case, replacement of the hard drive cleared the errors.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[David H. Durgee]

Ant wrote:
> On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
> ...
>>> UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(
>>
>> As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least
>> temporarily.
>>
>> If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe
>> that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than
>> Seamonkey itself.
> 
> Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but
> I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.
> 
> 
>> One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how
>> frequently do you clear it?  On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I
>> think it's not a problem to go even smaller than that.  In the current
>> Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is
>> assumed, cache is far less important that it was in the days of
>> dial-up connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go
>> away with clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages.
> 
> I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per
> month. Last one was last week.
> 
> 
>> Also, how full is your hard disk?  If you're running at more than 75%
>> capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate
>> space for system usage and burst demand.  If your disk is that full,
>> then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser
>> cache, as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports,
>> emptying your trash, etc.
> 
> 
> I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C:
> drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)

How fast is your internet connection?  If it is high speed you might
find things work faster if you disable the disk cache completely and
have only a memory cache.  Disk access is much slower than memory
access, so swapping and cache retrieval are the major causes of slow
response if you have a high speed connection.

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Re: unread message filter?

[Rink]

Op 27-7-2020 om 0:07 schreef Ronnie:

Is there a way to create a filter to delete unread emails?



Yes, uninstall your e-mail program.
And do not install another e-mail program.


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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[EE]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi all,

since today my  installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.5 
beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 Build 20200727210001 (Default Classic Theme) on German WIN7 
64bit has stopped to show single pictures on IMGUR.


Steps how to reproduce:
1. Open https://imgur.com/ in newly created User Profile
    » Shows overview of pictures
2. Click Arbitrary picture of movie like
    
    » Expected: single picture or movie view
  Actual: Black Page. Page Info / Media only shows
  some small Icons, but they also are invisible.

Changing User Agent String without success for now.

Can you reproduce that problem?
Any Ideas concerning roots or WORKAROUND?

CU

Rainer


Imgur does not work for me at all.  If someone posts an image there and 
leaves a link to it, I follow the link, and see no image.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 11:24 AM, NFN Smith wrote:
...

UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when you turn off uBlock, at least temporarily.

If disabling uBlock doesn't change anything, I'm inclined to believe 
that you're seeing something that's system related, rather than 
Seamonkey itself.


Interesting. That made a difference for a minute Gmail.com session, but 
I hate Google invading my privacy and showing its ads.



One other thought comes to mind -- how big is your cache, and how 
frequently do you clear it?  On my setup, I only run 10 GB, and I think 
it's not a problem to go even smaller than that.  In the current 
Internet, which is scripting-heavy, and ubiquitous broadband is assumed, 
cache is far less important that it was in the days of dial-up 
connections. I find that a lot of display-related issues go away with 
clearing cache, and forcing sites to download full pages.


I use its defaults (currently 350 MB) and clear it a few times per 
month. Last one was last week.



Also, how full is your hard disk?  If you're running at more than 75% 
capacity, then the disk is effectively full, and there's not adequate 
space for system usage and burst demand.  If your disk is that full, 
then you want to investigate cleanups, including clearing browser cache, 
as well as cleaning up temp files, Windows Error reports, emptying your 
trash, etc.



I have 805 GB free out of 933 GB in my 2 TB SATA 7200 RPM HDD's C: 
drive. I do clear out its mess at least once a month. :)

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 11:58 AM, EE wrote:
...
When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the 
swap file got fragmented.  I was able to move it to the beginning of 
another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, 
and windows was more efficient after that.


I used third party defraggers to move them offline (outside of Windows) 
in the past.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[EE]

Edward wrote:

David H. Durgee wrote:


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

Dave
I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began 
use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap.



When I was using Windows, I found that everything slowed down if the 
swap file got fragmented.  I was able to move it to the beginning of 
another partition on the hard drive so that it would not be fragmented, 
and windows was more efficient after that.


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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Edward]

Gerry Hickman wrote:

Edward wrote:
I have noticed increased memory usage with SeaMonkey, using the 
Fedora-supplied package, when listening to music either through 
YouTube or a web site, after it's been running for a while.


This could actually be something Linux is doing relating to the usage 
of memory, because I have seen the exact same issue occur with other 
web browsers, not just SeaMonkey. After a while, the Swap partition 
becomes active, then there is a noticeable slowdown of the system.


Which Fedora Supplied package and which o/s distro, version?

On Linux, you should quickly be able to see who is using what, for 
example using "System Monitor" and then go to "Processes", sort by 
Memory with highest at the top.


You should see SeaMonkey at abnout 300MiB

Note the value from a cold start, then time how long before it reaches 
the value that you are concerned about.


It's unlikely listening to music would cause this, but the word 
"youtube" rings alarm bells as it's not "music", it's running hundreds 
of horrible JavaScripts launching hundreds of adverts and attacking your 
computer.


If you think it's music, trace the URL to the real music file (or 
stream) and run the same test again (outside of youtube).


I didn't even know youtube had music, I thought it was video.


Fedora 32, x86_64: seamonkey-2.53.3-3.fc32.x86_64

PID USER  PR  NIVIRTRESSHR S  %CPU  %MEM TIME+ 
COMMAND
4766 edward   20   0 3463452 625444 174552 S   2.7  16.6   7:08.80 
seamonk+


The above is from 'top' as of right now. As I am not on YouTube right 
now and Swap isn't being used, there is /currently/ no slowdown in 
performance.


YouTube also has music. Some individual tracks from albums will also 
display a static video, it's usually the album cover for the duration of 
the track.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:

On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote:



How much RAM do you have?


6 GB of RAM.


Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe.



To me, that combination should be OK, but has been noted elsewhere, it 
does indicate that there's memory swapping happening.




What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?


Last updated: Tue Aug 18 2020 10:50:00 GMT-0700 (Pacific Standard Time)
User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3


Extensions (enabled: 6)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/)
* Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0
* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 
(https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy)


I'm a PrefBar fan, but I've never seen that to cause issues. Beyond 
uBlock Origin, I'm not familiar with the others, but none look like they 
should be a problem.


On uBlock, how many subscriptions do you have, especially more than the 
default?  You might want to see what happens when you temporarily 
disable that one.




Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site.
Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes).


That's the way I use gmail, as well. Log in, see what I want to see, log 
out again. With NoScript, I'm aggressive about blocking scripts, but at 
an official Google site, I've found that it's necessary to not block any 
Google scripting hosts (including gstatic) if I want things to behave 
properly.  The only exceptions I've found is that it's safe to block 
google-analytics, and if I'm not explicitly trying to get something from 
YouTube, it's safe to block that, as well.


Now that I think of it, I know that FRG has noted that there's an 
increase of issues between Seamonkey and Google, especially 
video-related stuff, and things that Google is doing that aren't 
compatible.  I think I've seen commentary about issues with YouTube, 
although I haven't had any issues there, but I don't make a lot of use 
of YouTube.


OTOH, the one thing that I've encountered is that at Google's main 
search page, the cursor display in the search bar is about half a line 
offset. I also don't use that page regularly, and the offset of cursor 
and text is mostly annoyance, but I found that when I use PrefBar to 
show a User Agent string that's stock Firefox (and no mention of 
Seamonkey) that fixes the problem.  Rather than using PrefBar to do 
temporary spoofing (and having to remember to remove spoofing when I'm 
done), I found that it's easier to simply tell Google that I'm running 
Firefox ESR, by going to about:config and setting 
general.useragent.override.google.com to show Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 
10.0; Win64; x64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/68.0 .


Although UA spoofing may not fix this particular problem, it does seem 
that google is happier if you don't confuse them with the presence of 
Seamonkey in your UA.






If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as 
scripting from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that 
sometimes running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and 
sometimes improve performance a little.


I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and 
unresponsive!


Definitely painful.




I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a 
morning after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of 
those forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything 
was really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was 
getting scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only 
reason I didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the 
form over from the beginning again.


Oh, I hate those!!


Yep. One of the effects of NoScript is that if I'm at a purchasing site, 
and I get to the end of a form, and find that there's an essential 
scripting host that hasn't been enabled, enabling that extra host causes 
the form to clear, and I have to start over.  Maybe I should see what 
happens if I adjust NoScript to not do a form reload if permissions get 
changed.





I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin 
(and Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the 
culprit for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I 
tend to block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if 
they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice 
a lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(


As noted, see what happens when 

Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Gerry Hickman via support-seamonkey]

Edward wrote:
I have noticed increased memory usage with SeaMonkey, using the 
Fedora-supplied package, when listening to music either through YouTube 
or a web site, after it's been running for a while.


This could actually be something Linux is doing relating to the usage of 
memory, because I have seen the exact same issue occur with other web 
browsers, not just SeaMonkey. After a while, the Swap partition becomes 
active, then there is a noticeable slowdown of the system.


Which Fedora Supplied package and which o/s distro, version?

On Linux, you should quickly be able to see who is using what, for 
example using "System Monitor" and then go to "Processes", sort by 
Memory with highest at the top.


You should see SeaMonkey at abnout 300MiB

Note the value from a cold start, then time how long before it reaches 
the value that you are concerned about.


It's unlikely listening to music would cause this, but the word 
"youtube" rings alarm bells as it's not "music", it's running hundreds 
of horrible JavaScripts launching hundreds of adverts and attacking your 
computer.


If you think it's music, trace the URL to the real music file (or 
stream) and run the same test again (outside of youtube).


I didn't even know youtube had music, I thought it was video.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 10:41 AM, NFN Smith wrote:

Ant wrote:


Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something 
recently again? :( What about your computer(s)?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)



How much RAM do you have?


6 GB of RAM.


Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


Like 1 GB with seamonkey.exe.


What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?


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User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) 
Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.3


Extensions (enabled: 6)
* ColorfulTabs 31.1.9 (http://www.addongenie.com/colorfultabs)
* DOM Inspector 2.0.17.2 (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/inspector/)
* Expire history by days [converted] 1.2.0
* Open With 6.8.6 (https://github.com/darktrojan/openwith)
* PrefBar 7.1.1 (http://prefbar.tuxfamily.org/)
* uBlock Origin 1.16.4.24 
(https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock-for-firefox-legacy)


Mailing filters? No, I don't use any in http://gmail.com's web site.
Also, I am only there for just quick sessions (up to ten minutes).


It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, 
although I've never seen anything hammer just one core.


I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in 
Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that.  I know that 
when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see 
relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow 
performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts.  A 
restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem.


Yes, that but I can reproduce that within minutes like on YouTube, 
LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc.



If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting 
from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that sometimes 
running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve 
performance a little.


I tried to do that after Gmail's sessions, but so dang slow and 
unresponsive!



I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning 
after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those 
forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything was 
really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting 
scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only reason I 
didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over 
from the beginning again.


Oh, I hate those!!


I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


UO Legacy here too. Yeah. :(
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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

NFN Smith wrote:

I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


Smith



In my case, I have 3.6Gb of memory. Recently installed uBlock Origin, 
but am going to remove it to see if it makes a difference here.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

On 8/18/2020 10:34 AM, David H. Durgee wrote:

Ant wrote:

Hello.

Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently
again? :( What about your computer(s)?

Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.


6 GB of RAM, but SM was only using 1 GB. :/



Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.


This agree like with YouTube, LinkedIn, Facebook, Twitter, etc. but 
Gmail wasn't like this. It looks the same?


I was curious if anyone else noticed this Gmail problem too or is it 
just me? It only happens after I use and log off Gmail.

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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[NFN Smith]

Ant wrote:


Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently 
again? :( What about your computer(s)?


Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)



How much RAM do you have?

Also, if you look at the Task Manager, what's the memory demand coming 
from Seamonkey?


What extensions do you have active, and do you run any mail processing 
filters?



It could be that there may be some sort of script that's active, 
although I've never seen anything hammer just one core.


I've long suspected that there's some sort of memory leak issue in 
Seamonkey, but I've never gotten any further than that.  I know that 
when I leave it on for a long time (especially overnight) I often see 
relative high memory use (sometimes, in excess of 2 GB), really slow 
performance, and more frequent warnings of timeouts on scripts.  A 
restart of Seamonkey normally clears that problem.


If I take a look at about:memory, there's indications of active 
scripting from message filters in the mail client, as well as scripting 
from previously-opened tabs in the browser.  I've found that sometimes 
running a "Free Memory" can lower memory usage, and sometimes improve 
performance a little.


I know that a couple of months ago, I was filling in a form on a morning 
after I had left Seamonkey open overnight, and this was one of those 
forms that launches a script for every single field.  Everything was 
really slow, and by the time I got to the end of the form, I was getting 
scripting timeout errors, and it was pretty painful.  The only reason I 
didn't restart Seamonkey was that I didn't want to start the form over 
from the beginning again.


I will note that I'm a long-time user of NoScript and uBlock Origin (and 
Adblock Plus before that), and it seems that uBlock may be the culprit 
for me, especially since I have a lot of user-crafted rules (I tend to 
block annoying graphics that I don't want to see, even if they're not ads).


All that said, I've noticed that since I upgraded to 2.53.3, I notice a 
lot less performance issues, especially if I leave Seamonkey active 
overnight.


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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Edward]

David H. Durgee wrote:


Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

Dave
I posted in another thread about SeaMonkey getting slow when it began 
use the Linux Swap space. It began to slow down once it started using Swap.



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Re: Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[David H. Durgee]

Ant wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's
> single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond
> for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big
> time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently
> again? :( What about your computer(s)?
> 
> Thank you for reading and hopefully answering soon. :)

Sounds like you are swapping a lot.  How much memory do you have?  For
example my current SM 2.53.5 is using 2.2G of memory out of 32G on my
linux mint 18.3 x64 system.

If you are swapping hard the only solution is more memory or closing out
other programs to free up memory.  If your memory is maxed out and you
are still swapping you will need to upgrade your hardware.

Keep in mind that web sites today are bloated pigs compared to what they
used to be.  Not much else can be done about it.

Dave
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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[Rainer Bielefeld]

I filed "Bug 1659778 Pictures no longer shown on IMGUR"

for this problem.

Thx for confirmation,

Rainer
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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[WaltS48]

On 8/18/20 12:48 PM, Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:

I have an ancient version



Hi,

I also tested with 2.49.4, same bad result.

CU

Rainer


I see some images at the first address, the second link shows a dark 
blank page.


Both have the information dialog "Parts of the page that track your 
online activity were blocked", where I can click "Keep Blocking", 
"Unblock" or "Preferences".


Clicking "Unblock" didn't help.

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/60.0 
SeaMonkey/2.53.3


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Does your SM v2.53.3 get very slow and unresponsolve after using & logging off Gmail.com?

[Ant]

Hello.

Mine does in my decade old, 64-bit W7 HPE SP1 PC. My quad core CPU's 
single CPU goes bonker to its max. SM just freezes and doesn't respond 
for a minute or so. Doing anything, like quitting SM, is delayed big 
time. I noticed this for weeks too. Did Google change something recently 
again? :( What about your computer(s)?


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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Don Spam's Reckless Son schrieb:

I have an ancient version



Hi,

I also tested with 2.49.4, same bad result.

CU

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Re: No more images shown on IMGUR

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi all,

since today my  installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.5 
beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 Build 20200727210001 (Default Classic Theme) on German WIN7 
64bit has stopped to show single pictures on IMGUR.


Steps how to reproduce:
1. Open https://imgur.com/ in newly created User Profile
    » Shows overview of pictures
2. Click Arbitrary picture of movie like
    
    » Expected: single picture or movie view
  Actual: Black Page. Page Info / Media only shows
  some small Icons, but they also are invisible.

Changing User Agent String without success for now.

Can you reproduce that problem?
Any Ideas concerning roots or WORKAROUND?

CU

Rainer


I have an ancient version of Seamonkey on this machine and what I see is 
exactly what you are describing.  Paint it black.


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Re: Website asks to turn mobile device to Protrait Position

[Don Spam's Reckless Son]

Rainer Bielefeld wrote:

Hi,

I observe something strange here  with 
SeaMonkey: Error Message that I should turn my mobile device.


More details in German language here:
  

That's new, worked fine until few days ago. Any Idea how to solve this 
problem?


CU

Rainer


Works just fine for me, I see that they have built some new roads since 
I was last in Braunschweig.  I opened the page in a private window.


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No more images shown on IMGUR

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi all,

since today my  installation of unofficial (by wg9s) De SeaMonkey 2.53.5 
beta 1 pre Mozilla/5.0  (NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/60.0 Build 20200727210001 (Default Classic Theme) on German WIN7 
64bit has stopped to show single pictures on IMGUR.


Steps how to reproduce:
1. Open https://imgur.com/ in newly created User Profile
   » Shows overview of pictures
2. Click Arbitrary picture of movie like
   
   » Expected: single picture or movie view
 Actual: Black Page. Page Info / Media only shows
 some small Icons, but they also are invisible.

Changing User Agent String without success for now.

Can you reproduce that problem?
Any Ideas concerning roots or WORKAROUND?

CU

Rainer
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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[meagain]

 Original Message 

EE wrote on 15-08-20 19:21:

Lance Courtland wrote:
It is with much sadness that I must abandon SeaMonkey as a web 
browser. I have been a loyal user since Mosaic in 1993, then Netscape 
Navigator, then SM. However, I have become overwhelmed by the 
quantity and complexity of fixes, tweaks, configs, spoofs, and 
kluges, each constantly needing updating, to get SM to fully function 
on a wide variety of URLs at a rapid speed.


Where once its customizability was a bonus, it is now a burden. SM 
seems to have been brought down by the difference between "you can do 
all this to make it work however you want" and "you have to do all 
this to make it work at all."


I certainly appreciate all the hard work a dwindling number of 
developers have put in to keep SM alive.


I will continue to use the Mail & Newsgroup functions, which I like a 
lot.  I have managed to make email links clicked in SM Email open in 
Chrome, which is now my default.  I have always resisted adopting the 
most current offering from the Macrofirms of the digital world, but 
it has become too burdensome to continue being a browser salmon.


Parting is such sweet sorrow.

Lance


Why use Chrome? 
Because Chrome works with ZOOM ... and a lot of sites have problem with 
SM, per example, You can fill a form but the XMIT button did not work 
using SM.



Zoom works great with SM 2.53.3 for me (no add ons no ext).

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Re: Why I am still at 2.49.5

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-18, Ray Davison wrote:

> Ctrl-D window is truncated on the right edge.
>
> Below is a link to several pics.  Click on any one to get scroll
> arrows which are hidden until you get a cursor near them. Click the i
> in a circle to get info which is the version number.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/DzS3F7wST8xFsyWE9
>

Just to rule out extensions, can you check if this also happens (in
2.53.x) if you start SeaMonkey in SeaMonkey's safe mode?

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Re: Good bye SeaMonkey Browser

[Nuno Silva]

On 2020-08-18, Slugracing wrote:

> Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
>
>> Should I hand you a tissue so that you can whine quietly and in
>> private? 
>
> He is telling you he has an issue, just like most of us do. Flipping
> him off like that is child like.
>
> I too have come to a fork in the road and am now looking to move to
> another browser. the stalling and memory usage has now gotten out of
> control. since we move to the 2.53 series my ram usage has doubled,
> and I don't have double the ram so it swaps constantly and because of
> this its slow as a wet week.
>
> None of the other browsers I have tried including Firefox use as much
> ram for the same sites open.
>
> Thanks

Are you using the binaries from https://www.seamonkey-project.org/ or is
it a distribution-compiled version?

If it is a distribution version, can you please see if the same happens
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Re: Website asks to turn mobile device to Protrait Position ✅

[Rainer Bielefeld]

GerardJan schrieb:

I get a beautiful card



Hi,

after I have been away from office for a while problem now is resolved 
for me, too. Without known reason. The only thing I know is that the 
problem has been related to zoom for that web page. When I do a refresh 
for the page after I have increased zoom to > 200% I get the crazy 
request, again. But I also tested with a newly created user profile 樂


Strange, but I'm happy that the problem has gone.

CU

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Re: Read/unread marks in newsgroups are reset each time I start SM.

[Edward]

AndrésH wrote:

After many attempts , combining repair folder and download/sync messages 
in various order, its seems that finally problem has been resolved.
What bothers me is that I cannot know what really has caused this 
behaviour.
 From time to time , I see a pop up that says that a message has been 
removed from the server and that I have to clean up the headers.

  Can a faulty clean up of the folder be the cause of that behaviour ?


If a newsgroup administrator deletes a message, that would cause the 
pop-up you saw about a message being removed.


As to the faulty cleanup of a folder causing the described behavior, I 
would not know as I've never experienced it.


Glad to hear that it's been resolved.


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Website asks to turn mobile device to Protrait Position

[Rainer Bielefeld]

Hi,

I observe something strange here  with 
SeaMonkey: Error Message that I should turn my mobile device.


More details in German language here:
 

That's new, worked fine until few days ago. Any Idea how to solve this 
problem?


CU

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