Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo>http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped rebuild transmissions, and above all I'm paying my own way through engineering school. I'm not letting a simple transesterification process kick my butt. ^.~ It is though, isn't it? Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to much the first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now. Mmm... I should post pictures of what the blender looks like now. I smoked it pretty badly, on closer inspection. Cracked/melted part of the blender drum, ate away the seal (Seriously, does methanol/methoxide attack silicone parts?), started to do something funky to the blender blade; I'm going to guess it's an aluminum blade? Anywho, thank you for your suggestions; I'm swapping, since I'm on a bit of a tight budget, from a scale/mass based measuring system for hydroxide to a volumetric one. I have small measures and cylinders abounding all around me, and very little in the way of scales. Calibrate up a couple of different measuring devices, and do everything by volume instead of mass. Density of NaOH is 2.1 g/cm3 right? Makes this whole thing easy and quicker for me. Might seem to at first but it won't. Accurate scales will make it easier and quicker for you. I've dewatered some of my fresh oil (Got to love Wal-Mart quality, it had measurable water in it.), Why risk wasting your time? People are trying to tell you about removing the variables, not adding more of them. Get some virgin oil that doesn't have water in it. and I'm going to plan on making up a batch in a small jar, about 300mL total size for conservation purposes. How will you mix it and keep it hot? Tight budget and all that. I'll keep you all posted, if you'd like; have a couple of ideas for tinkering once I have the basic process down pat. First things first. And then the wash-test: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Good luck Keith -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
Oops, sorry, that message got a bit fouled up, wasn't in ASCII, second try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test? Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped rebuild transmissions, and above all I'm paying my own way through engineering school. I'm not letting a simple transesterification process kick my butt. ^.~ It is though, isn't it? Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to much the first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now. Mmm... I should post pictures of what the blender looks like now. I smoked it pretty badly, on closer inspection. Cracked/melted part of the blender drum, ate away the seal (Seriously, does methanol/methoxide attack silicone parts?), started to do something funky to the blender blade; I'm going to guess it's an aluminum blade? Anywho, thank you for your suggestions; I'm swapping, since I'm on a bit of a tight budget, from a scale/mass based measuring system for hydroxide to a volumetric one. I have small measures and cylinders abounding all around me, and very little in the way of scales. Calibrate up a couple of different measuring devices, and do everything by volume instead of mass. Density of NaOH is 2.1 g/cm3 right? Makes this whole thing easy and quicker for me. Might seem to at first but it won't. Accurate scales will make it easier and quicker for you. I've dewatered some of my fresh oil (Got to love Wal-Mart quality, it had measurable water in it.), Why risk wasting your time? People are trying to tell you about removing the variables, not adding more of them. Get some virgin oil that doesn't have water in it. and I'm going to plan on making up a batch in a small jar, about 300mL total size for conservation purposes. How will you mix it and keep it hot? Tight budget and all that. I'll keep you all posted, if you'd like; have a couple of ideas for tinkering once I have the basic process down pat. First things first. And then the wash-test: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality Good luck Keith -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's, auto co's and politicos are going to actually do anything about it, besides some feeble, feel good conservation PR?? regards tallex Most Americans say oil companies are price gouging Four out of five Americans would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were devoted to alternative energy research, according to an Opinion Research Corp. (ORC) poll conducted for 40mpg.org and the Boston-based nonprofit and nonpartisan Civil Society Institute (CSI). CSI is a think tank and the 40mpg.org campaign is a project of CSI. Other key survey findings include: 87 percent of Americans think that oil companies are gouging gasoline consumers today; 81 percent say the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and America's overreliance on Middle Eastern oil; 73 percent believe that recent gasoline price hikes now make it more important that the federal government impose higher fuel-efficiency standards; and four out of five adults say that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which intends that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. In response to the poll, 40mpg.org has launched an online petition at www.40mpg.org allowing Americans to tell their members of Congress and the White House that they want major steps taken in terms of a windfall profits tax on oil companies and tougher fuel-efficiency standards on vehicles. CSI president Pam Solo said: Americans have seen too much price gouging and too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and our dangerous reliance on foreign oil. The benefits of making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all autos in the United States are obvious to Americans: consumers save money; we reduce our dangerous reliance on Middle Eastern oil, making us more secure in the world; air pollution is reduced; and we can cut the U.S. contribution to global warming by nearly a third. Greater fuel efficiency makes sense, it is technologically possible, the benefits are real and the challenges can be overcome. Some key highlights of the poll are: + Price gouging. Some 87 percent think big oil companies are currently gouging consumers at the gas pump, with 57 percent saying there is a great deal of such price gouging going on. Fewer than 4 percent say no price gouging is going on. Political affiliation makes almost no difference in how Americans respond to this question with 87 percent of independents, 82 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats saying there is a great deal or some price gouging going on. + Windfall profits tax on oil companies. Seventy-nine percent would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were spent on research on alternative energy. Support for targeting windfall profits tax revenues to underwrite alternative energy research was higher than two other listed alternatives: wetlands restoration in Gulf Coast states to minimize the impact of future hurricanes (70 percent); and a direct rebate to each consumer with a driver's license (53 percent). + Federal inaction. Four out of five think the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and the U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Political affiliation was somewhat more evident as a factor in the responses to this question, with 83 percent of independents, 74 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats expressing dissatisfaction with current federal policies + Higher fuel-efficiency standards. Seventy-three percent think that recent gasoline price hikes now make it much more or somewhat more important that the federal government takes new steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and other vehicles. + Hybrid technology. Four out of five Americans think that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which has announced that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. Survey results are based on telephone interviews conducted among a sample of 1,019 adults age 18 and up living in private households in the continental United States. Interviewing was completed by Opinion Research Corp. during the period of Sept. 15-19. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the complete sample of 1,019 adults. Smaller sub-groups will have larger error margins. s http://www.fairfieldcbj.com/current_issue/101005frop07.html next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network
[Biofuel] Fleet tests
Does anybody know of a good sight to find reports covering car fleet tests on BD ? Would be nice if they were in English though. Jan Jan Warnqvist ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alright, I'm stumped.
On 10/11/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops, sorry, that message got a bit fouled up, wasn't in ASCII, second try: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#whatdo What should you do if your fuel doesn't pass the wash-test?Well, for one thing I'm certainly not giving up. Just stumped. I've licked carburetor problems, idling issues, helped rebuildtransmissions, and above all I'm paying my own way throughengineering school. I'm not letting a simple transesterificationprocess kick my butt. ^.~ It is though, isn't it? Nope, not yet. It's merely throwing obstacles in my way. It's only kicked me soundly when I decide to give up; until then, it's still a fight I can win. . Make sure you measure your Lye very carefully, I found I added to muchthe first time and smoked a blender but it was this and several other blunders that have made it easier to get along with now.Mmm... I should post pictures of what the blender looks like now. Ismoked it pretty badly, on closer inspection. Cracked/melted part of the blender drum, ate away the seal (Seriously, doesmethanol/methoxide attack silicone parts?), started to do somethingfunky to the blender blade; I'm going to guess it's an aluminumblade? Anywho, thank you for your suggestions; I'm swapping, since I'm on abit of a tight budget, from a scale/mass based measuring system forhydroxide to a volumetric one. I have small measures and cylinders abounding all around me, and very little in the way of scales.Calibrate up a couple of different measuring devices, and doeverything by volume instead of mass. Density of NaOH is 2.1 g/cm3right? Makes this whole thing easy and quicker for me. Might seem to at first but it won't. Accurate scales will make iteasier and quicker for you. Accurate scales are also currently out of my price range. I won't keep using it for long, once I have the money for said scale. I've dewatered some of my fresh oil (Got to love Wal-Mart quality,it had measurable water in it.), Why risk wasting your time? People are trying to tell you aboutremoving the variables, not adding more of them. Get some virgin oilthat doesn't have water in it. This was, supposedly. Picked up one of those quart bottles of oil, and just because I was curious (And because in this humidity, it seems ieverything/i has water in it. Ugh.) I heated it up to get anymoisture in it out. Heated it and then let it settle; there was a small, but measurable, little layer of water that settled out. and I'm going to plan on making up a batch in a small jar, about300mL total size for conservation purposes. How will you mix it and keep it hot? Irf, didn't think of that. Right, back to plan B. Anywho, it's midterm time. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Hello Jim, Gray water heat would require heat exchangers for very little return. I'd go for the solar collectors, the ones for hot water can collect a lot more heat. Where are you located? Tom Irwin From: JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:14:40 -0300Subject: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectorsHi folks,I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are:1) Solar collectors2) Grey water heat going down the drainCan anyone give me some pointers in these two areas?Thanks in advanceJimWisdom to all___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. By Sebastian Rotella LATimes Staff Writer October 10, 2005 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-fg- deflate10oct10,0,6929787.story PARIS -- If the French marauders known as The Deflated waged their brand of urban subversion in Southern California, the mecca of the sport utility vehicle, by now they would probably have been jailed, beaten, shot or at least sued. But five weeks after the clandestine crew of environmentalists launched a low-intensity war on SUVs in Paris, there are no casualties to report. Except, of course, for dozens of deflated gas-guzzling vehicles, said Sous-Adjudant Marrant (Sub-Warrant Officer Joker), the mysterious, masked leader of Les Dégonflés. Under cover of night, Marrant's troops target Jeep Cherokees, Porsche Cayennes and other four-wheel-drive vehicles parked on the tree-lined avenues and cobblestoned lanes of wealthy neighborhoods. The eco-guerrillas deflate tires without damaging them, smear doors with mud and paste handbills on windshields proclaiming that the vehicles are dangerous, polluting behemoths that do not belong in the city. We use the mud to say that if the owners will not take the four-wheel-drives to the countryside, we will bring the countryside to the four-wheel-drives, said Marrant, 28, who uses an alias because angry drivers deluge his website, http://degonfle.blogg.org with e-mails threatening mayhem and questioning his manhood. Although his nom de guerre was inspired by Subcommander Marcos, the masked Mexican guerrilla revered by leftists, Marrant insists he is not violent or even particularly serious. Deflated is a self-deprecating name that also means coward in French. The group wants to send a mischievous message while avoiding damage to the vehicles, injury and prosecution, the thin, mop-haired activist said during an interview in a corner cafe on the Seine's left bank, longtime turf of radicals and revolutionaries. We emphasize the comic, the burlesque side, Marrant said with the earnest, wide-eyed look of a prankster trying to keep a straight face. It would be hard to take us to court. We don't slash tires, we deflate them. Air doesn't cost anything. As for getting cars dirty, that's nothing. I would plead guilty to that. Our rules are to never run from the police. And always run from the owners. The rise of anti-SUV activism in France shows that one man's vandal can be another man's avenger. The deflators are on the fringe of a movement that has considerable support at City Hall, which is governed by an alliance of the Socialist and Green parties. Christophe Delabre, the president of a French association of SUV owners, has appeared in a television debate with Marrant, who wore sunglasses, a baseball cap and a bandanna to conceal his identity. Delabre does not find his adversary amusing. It's comparable to extremism, to discrimination, to inciting hate, Delabre said. You can't stigmatize a category of the population with impunity under the pretext that they drive a kind of vehicle [The Deflated] put others' lives in danger, and that's unacceptable. It's out of the question that this kind of action is tolerated in France. I don't understand how the police can arrest deflators and let them go a few hours later. * *Although city leaders don't condone vandalism, officials have gone as far as proposing that Paris ban sport utility vehicles. Deputy Mayor Denis Baupin, who oversees transportation programs, has called the SUV a caricature of a car. Baupin spoke during a recent rally of about 200 activists at a Jeep dealership where the manager had agreed to shut down early for the day. The decision drew cheers from children wearing cow and buffalo masks, cyclists hoisting bikes triumphantly aloft. An SUV is totally useless for Paris, Baupin said in his speech, blaming the recent devastating hurricanes in the U.S. on climate change caused by pollution. The situation is striking: The country that refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol suffered from a climatic catastrophe We all feel sorry for the dead in New Orleans. But now maybe the United States should start considering that their development pattern is not to be repeated worldwide and that it causes environmental problems. In the United States, sport utility vehicles account for one of every four automobiles sold, but in France, SUVs represent only about 5% of the market. The prices are high for middle-class families, but sales jumped about 20% last year. Overt official hostility has encouraged antisocial attacks masquerading as activism, Delabre charged. This reflects the impact of the statements made during the last two years by Mr. Baupin, he said. He has told anyone
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.9.7/60 - Release Date: 28/07/2005 WTF is this? I thought the list prevented idiocy such as sending 1.4MB HTML emails to the thousand or so people who are on this list. Keith, can the good old days of text and text only be reintroduced so that abuse such as this is not repeated? If someone wishes to distribute something such as this, then place it on a web site somewhere and then post the URL to the list so that people can then go and view it at their leisure. Please note that I'm not commenting on the value of the information that was sent, just the way that it was sent. Regards, Andrew Lowe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finite or Global warming or just peak oil something which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up! Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message. In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently. Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finite or Global warming or just peak oil something which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up! Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message. In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Dick Cheney has the answer. Nuclear power, clean and non-polluting as he calls it, and between 1,200 and 1,900 new power plants over the next two plus decades - the equivalent of more than one new, licensed plant per week. Any ideas as to what the fuel sources will be for those new generation facilities. A) Coal and B) Nuclear. End of story. Don't we already have enough problems and looming threats on the near event horizon as a result of both of these sources? Remember now. All this is predicated on mindless, cancerous, all-consuming economic growth in the traditional manner. Me thinks Dick Numb Nuts Cheney needs to read a little Edward Abbey, who made the casual and rather definitive observation that Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. Todd Swearingen Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Ok so if we follow this line of thought to it's logical conclusion where do we end up Todd? Yeah I know, 'The dark side'. Maybe the dark side is where the real Jedi warriors reside and everyone has been brainwashed to believe the opposite. It's the bizzarro world where white is really black and black is really white. Funny thing is this was actually foretold in the Tao Teh Ching (for whatever that is worth to modern society) There was a great scene in the movie "The Matrix" where the human race is compared to a virus, which espouses ( I assume) the same sentiment as Abbey (which I have not read). And then there's "If you are not with us you are against us" It's as scary as if you had swallowed a pill and have to ride out the consequences no matter how terrible the trip. Even if you discover the train is on a track to disaster there is no getting off this train. The only hope is to dream up a way to entice enough of the passengers away from the onboard entertainment to perhaps overwhelm the engineer and apply the brakes! What we need, going back to the Matrix analogy is a really good 'red pill'. Perhaps social and economic collapse is just the ticket. Throw in a few wars and a few good plagues in the mix and perhaps what comes out the other side will be more sensible. If any of us or our children are left to see it. Sorry I guess I'm not in the most optimistic mood this morning. I forgot to take my blue pill. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Snip Remember now. All this is predicated on mindless, cancerous, all-consuming economic growth in the "traditional" manner. Me thinks Dick "Numb Nuts" Cheney needs to read a little Edward Abbey, who made the casual and rather definitive observation that "Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell." Todd Swearingen Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently. Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finite or Global warming or just peak oil something which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up! Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message. In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Hello Tom, We are in Eastern Montana, Cold but sunny winters. Would antifreeze work as the fluid? Tom Irwin wrote: Hello Jim, Gray water heat would require heat exchangers for very little return. I'd go for the solar collectors, the ones for hot water can collect a lot more heat. Where are you located? Tom Irwin *From:* JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:14:40 -0300 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors Hi folks, I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are: 1) Solar collectors 2) Grey water heat going down the drain Can anyone give me some pointers in these two areas? Thanks in advance Jim Wisdom to all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Jim, did you search the archives? search for solar hot water heater We've been discussing this a fair amount lately, several people posted great recommendations and reference website urls. Take care, Ken On 10/11/05, JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tom, We are in Eastern Montana, Cold but sunny winters. Would antifreeze work as the fluid? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
Hi Jim, Yes, proplyene or ethylene glycol will work but then you need a heat exchanger in the system for hot water use. If you are just using it for space heating then you wouldn't need the exchanger. Just make sure your pipe joints are well sealed.Can you use wood as a backup or integrated system? Tom Irwin From: JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 14:54:08 -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectorsHello Tom,We are in Eastern Montana, Cold but sunny winters. Would antifreeze work as the fluid?Tom Irwin wrote: Hello Jim, Gray water heat would require heat exchangers for very little return. I'd go for the solar collectors, the ones for hot water can collect a lot more heat. Where are you located? Tom Irwin *From:* JJJN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:14:40 -0300 *Subject:* [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors Hi folks, I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are: 1) Solar collectors 2) Grey water heat going down the drain Can anyone give me some pointers in these two areas? Thanks in advance Jim Wisdom to all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian
hay ian the answer foryour mthenol question is yes and no by law you cant by in israel more then a 100 liter methanol with out a"poison permit" any way i bought once till now 80 liter from asupplier in theother side of the country the price was about 0.7us$ aliter. all the best golan- Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian No problems, the biggest batch I can make is 40L which is more than enough for my family. Just as a matter of interest do you have much trouble getting methanol and if you don't mind how much do you pay for it. I am paying NZ$1.60 L. Cheers Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help thanks Ian Thanks Ian You right I skipped the washing in the 1 liter batches and I thought its the easy part any way I read a lot about washing and emulsion since then. After all the reading I came to believe that if you have a soap or soapish lair in between BD water you got a problem in the process found mine already it was the temp. In the processor couldn’t keep it steady. Already had a successful 80 liter batch yesterday (the smallest I can in this processor) Thanks again happy New Year Golan - Original Message - From: Ian Theresa Sims To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hi Golan 2things, 1st read all the JtF site as there are some contradictions such as BD should be clear after processing then in the washing section it says the BD maybe cloudy and need to dry/settle for a couple of days in a sunny place. There is also agood section on emulsions. 2nd do small 1L test batches to sort these sort of problems out before going big. this includes not only changing the chemical ratios but drying the oil and checking the accuracy of you measuring equipment. I have done quite a few test batches before going to 15 then 30 L batches. Have fun Ian - Original Message - From: golan michal To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 6:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] emulsion help Hay Just joined the biodiesel world and this group as well. I’m from Israel my name is Golan. Just mixed my first 100-liter batch. I use electric pump about 16 liter a minute 2.5 kw heater. I preformed quality test (150 cc water 150 cc biodiesel shaked toghether in ahalf aliter jar)after 24 hours and got 4-5 millimeter white layer In-between the biodiesel and the water. As well the biodiesel wasn’t clear. I reheated the tank again to 52 deg C And mixed it with 10% methanol and 3.5 gram of lye per liter of oil. Mixed it for an hour. Any way I took samples after 20 and 40 min. I saw the biodiesel was darker then in the first mix and an extra very thin layer nylon like appeared on top of the biodiesel . 24 hours later preformed another quality test no spreration at all for aday and ahalf all ready it stays awaitish fluid. does any one knows what that layer is and what is there to do. All the best Golan ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.13/124 - Release Date: 7/10/2005 ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ No
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
Following on with this logic, one would expect motorcyclists to be letting the air out of standard car tires and then, in a step further, pedal cyclists would be letting the air out of motorcycle tires... Everything is relative folks. I would hope that all those that argue against SUV's are walking or pedal cycling most of their miles. What I'm saying might be largely tongue in cheek but it is the logical extension... As wasteful as they are in transporting humans, those Hummers could well be running on bio. Respect, Gary Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. By Sebastian Rotella LATimes Staff Writer October 10, 2005 http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/la-fg- deflate10oct10,0,6929787.story ...snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol from Sorgum please
Mark Klein wrote: [snip] ... ... [snip] WTF is this? I thought the list prevented idiocy such as sending 1.4MB HTML emails to the thousand or so people who are on this list. A LOT more people than that Andrew. Keith, can the good old days of text and text only be reintroduced so that abuse such as this is not repeated? Well, I'm a little puzzled. It's a text-only list and has been for a very long time, but there are complexities I don't understand, and every now and then some html gets through, such as this case. What puzzles me more is that this message you're replying to is more than two months old, it's dealt with and settled long ago. Members regularly get told by listadmin to reset their emailer default to ASCII plain-text. Guess which well-known email program has the default set to html? No prizes, too easy. Best wishes Keith If someone wishes to distribute something such as this, then place it on a web site somewhere and then post the URL to the list so that people can then go and view it at their leisure. Please note that I'm not commenting on the value of the information that was sent, just the way that it was sent. Regards, Andrew Lowe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Google laugh
Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in miserable failure and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. It is too funny to where it takes you! http://www.google.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
So how about running a Humvee on biofuels? miltary models and some H1's are diesel. It'd be the best way to show them you can have your fun and be responsible. I've been looking forward to a bio humer. Only way i can reconcile all my wants. Mike Luich On 10/11/05, Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I too dislike the HummerI am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends ofthe absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality.truly,Brian RodgersOn 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV.BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently.Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO!I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere.Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires!The vehicles are disgusting though.Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finiteor Global warmingor just peak oilsomething which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up!Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message.In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
Is it me, or is the civilian Hummer, really bigger and annoying when compared to the military Humvee? Greg H. - Original Message - From: Brian Rodgers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 10:36 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them I too dislike the Hummer I am satisfied with bad vibing them and amusing myself and friends of the absurdity of the daddy's war wagon mentality. truly, Brian Rodgers On 10/11/05, Burak_l [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good for you! I do not own an SUV. BUT, I don't think anybody has the right to take away somebody elses mobility. The person may need to get to hospital or to his business urgently. Think about the situation he is in. I agree that SUVs are using more fuel and Hummer is a nuissance in the city. But we can ot attack somebody elses vehicle simply because we decide we can do so.. Mey peace be with you Burak. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Joe Street Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 4:45 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them ROFLMFAO! I considered, more than once doing the same thing every time I see a humvee parked somewhere. Trouble is I believe these things can inflate thier own tires! The vehicles are disgusting though. Another idea I thought of would be to find some kind of paint pen which could be used to write a message on the glass windows such as oil is finite or Global warming or just peak oil something which could be written quickly of course because I hate getting beat up! Also the writing could be scraped off with a razor leaving no harm done but the message would have been recieved and probable seen by a few others before the owner figures out how to remove the message. In the winter when SUV's are covered in salt and road grime or when i see a dusty one I always stop to write these messages with my finger in the dirt. Vive la resistance! Joe Frantz DESPREZ wrote: SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them A clandestine group lets air out of tires as a form of protest. The vehicles' owners are not amused. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
Kim, I enjoy this very much... Also works with just the word 'failure.' This is the result of 'GoogleBombing' by linking the word failure withe link to Dubya's bio More here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/09/googlebombing-failure.html Note that MichaelMoore.com is usually #2 in the results, I'm guessing from a GoogleBomb War of sorts... On 10/11/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in miserable failure and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. It is too funny to where it takes you! -- Thanks,PCHe's the kind of a guy who lights up a room just by flicking a switch ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list gets it. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Can't quite connect with all the metaphors Joe. But the inevitable end of the Leibermans of the world failing to address reality is rather obvious. Too bad that old geezers such as he won't have to reap what he helps sew. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: Ok so if we follow this line of thought to it's logical conclusion where do we end up Todd? Yeah I know, 'The dark side'. Maybe the dark side is where the real Jedi warriors reside and everyone has been brainwashed to believe the opposite. It's the bizzarro world where white is really black and black is really white. Funny thing is this was actually foretold in the Tao Teh Ching (for whatever that is worth to modern society) There was a great scene in the movie The Matrix where the human race is compared to a virus, which espouses ( I assume) the same sentiment as Abbey (which I have not read). And then there's If you are not with us you are against us It's as scary as if you had swallowed a pill and have to ride out the consequences no matter how terrible the trip. Even if you discover the train is on a track to disaster there is no getting off this train. The only hope is to dream up a way to entice enough of the passengers away from the onboard entertainment to perhaps overwhelm the engineer and apply the brakes! What we need, going back to the Matrix analogy is a really good 'red pill'. Perhaps social and economic collapse is just the ticket. Throw in a few wars and a few good plagues in the mix and perhaps what comes out the other side will be more sensible. If any of us or our children are left to see it. Sorry I guess I'm not in the most optimistic mood this morning. I forgot to take my blue pill. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Snip Remember now. All this is predicated on mindless, cancerous, all-consuming economic growth in the traditional manner. Me thinks Dick Numb Nuts Cheney needs to read a little Edward Abbey, who made the casual and rather definitive observation that Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. Todd Swearingen Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Well Todd, you made my day! Thank you. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list "gets it." Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Google laugh
That is hilarious, thanks for the laugh, regards tallex Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net ---Original Message--- From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Google laugh Sent: 11 Oct '05 12:40 Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in_miserable failure _and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. Itis too funny to where it takes you! [LINK: http://www.google.com/] http://www.google.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [LINK: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel@sustainablelists.org [LINK: http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org] http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: [LINK: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html] http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): [LINK: http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/] http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
I think lots of people "get it" - didn't anyone else on this list live thru the 70's? But as soon as oil prices dropped we all "forgot it" and bought SUV's and McMansions. Talking about any kind of realization of change or sacrifice is anathema. Terrorism? Go shopping. Oil dwindling? Pass a tax break for the biggest SUV's. Appal Energy wrote: Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list "gets it." Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to "the peak period" when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better – dramatically better – with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours –when power is in surplus and cheaper – would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
Never happen. The Republicans will decline - look at the Energy Bill - and we'll forget all about it. You guys are making me feel old: Look at: http://www.techcentralstation.com/the70smedia.html Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's, auto co's and politicos are going to actually do anything about it, besides some feeble, feel good conservation PR?? regards tallex Most Americans say oil companies are price gouging Four out of five Americans would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were devoted to alternative energy research, according to an Opinion Research Corp. (ORC) poll conducted for 40mpg.org and the Boston-based nonprofit and nonpartisan Civil Society Institute (CSI). CSI is a think tank and the 40mpg.org campaign is a project of CSI. Other key survey findings include: 87 percent of Americans think that oil companies are gouging gasoline consumers today; 81 percent say the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and America's overreliance on Middle Eastern oil; 73 percent believe that recent gasoline price hikes now make it more important that the federal government impose higher fuel-efficiency standards; and four out of five adults say that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which intends that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. In response to the poll, 40mpg.org has launched an online petition at www.40mpg.org allowing Americans to tell their members of Congress and the White House that they want major steps taken in terms of a windfall profits tax on oil companies and tougher fuel-efficiency standards on vehicles. CSI president Pam Solo said: Americans have seen too much price gouging and too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and our dangerous reliance on foreign oil. The benefits of making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all autos in the United States are obvious to Americans: consumers save money; we reduce our dangerous reliance on Middle Eastern oil, making us more secure in the world; air pollution is reduced; and we can cut the U.S. contribution to global warming by nearly a third. Greater fuel efficiency makes sense, it is technologically possible, the benefits are real and the challenges can be overcome. Some key highlights of the poll are: + Price gouging. Some 87 percent think big oil companies are currently gouging consumers at the gas pump, with 57 percent saying there is a great deal of such price gouging going on. Fewer than 4 percent say no price gouging is going on. Political affiliation makes almost no difference in how Americans respond to this question with 87 percent of independents, 82 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats saying there is a great deal or some price gouging going on. + Windfall profits tax on oil companies. Seventy-nine percent would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were spent on research on alternative energy. Support for targeting windfall profits tax revenues to underwrite alternative energy research was higher than two other listed alternatives: wetlands restoration in Gulf Coast states to minimize the impact of future hurricanes (70 percent); and a direct rebate to each consumer with a driver's license (53 percent). + Federal inaction. Four out of five think the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and the U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Political affiliation was somewhat more evident as a factor in the responses to this question, with 83 percent of independents, 74 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats expressing dissatisfaction with current federal policies + Higher fuel-efficiency standards. Seventy-three percent think that recent gasoline price hikes now make it much more or somewhat more important that the federal government takes new steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and other vehicles. + Hybrid technology. Four out of five Americans think that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which has announced that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. Survey results are based on telephone interviews conducted among a sample of 1,019 adults age 18 and up living in private households in the continental United States. Interviewing was completed by Opinion Research Corp. during the period of Sept. 15-19. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points for the complete sample of 1,019 adults. Smaller sub-groups will have larger error margins. s http://www.fairfieldcbj.com/current_issue/101005frop07.html next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy
[Biofuel] We've lived this before!
As part of his energy plan, Carter encouraged Americans to conserve energy and promoted this policy by wearing a sweater while urging the people to turn down their thermostats. He also installed solar panels in the White House and a wood stove in the living quarters. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [New from GRAIN] Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations
Whither Biosafety? In these days of Monsanto Laws, hope for real biosafety lies at the grassroots, Against the grain, October 2005, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 Whither whatever... Whither energy? Same answer, IMHO. Best Keith Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 09:34:14 +0100 (BST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [New from GRAIN] Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations New from GRAIN October 2005 BIOSAFETY LAWS: CO-OPTED BY CORPORATIONS http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 Across the world processes to draw-up national biosafety laws are increasingly disconnected from the people they are supposed to serve. Drafting typically takes place behind closed doors, between local elites and foreign experts of the GM lobby, with corporations close at hand to steer the discussion. Meanwhile, those with the most at stake from any introduction of GM crops, the rural communities, are completely marginalised from the processes. In their latest short report, GRAIN provides a global overview of how biosafety laws are being all-too-easily co-opted into tools for corporations hell-bent on imposing GM crops on the planet. In Africa, relentless pressure from USAID is breaking down the common commitment to precaution, as several governments, foolishly vying to become the continent's GM showcases, try to impress the GM industry with regulatory frameworks that open their countries up to GM crops. Ditto for Asia, where, despite strong public opposition to the introduction of GM crops, governments are caving-in to external pressure and opting for weak biosafety laws. In Latin America, people are so appalled by the biosafety laws that their governments are putting in place that they've started calling them Monsanto Laws. Yet if governmental biosafety processes are generally doom and gloom these days, there is plenty of reason for optimism at the grassroots. Not only is resistance to GMOs increasing, but social movements are becoming more sophisticated in their efforts to oppose GM crops. Where national governments refuse to listen, people are localizing their struggles where they can exert more democratic control, such as GM-free zones. Communities are also taking risk assessment into their own hands, conducting research, organising peoples' tribunals, and challenging the experts. For example, had it not been for the documentation of the failure of Bt cotton in the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh by grassroots organisations, the state authorities would never have withdrawn the approval for Monsanto's Bt cotton varieties. This GRAIN report argues that the fundamental problem here is that biosafety laws are being created behind closed doors, far from grassroots realities. These processes need to come down to the fields and the streets, where the issues matter most. === GRAIN, 2005, Whither Biosafety? In these days of Monsanto Laws, hope for real biosafety lies at the grassroots, Against the grain, October 2005, http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=9 New from GRAIN: Biosafety laws: co-opted by corporations - http://www.grain.org/nfg/?id=341 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
Joe, If you mean we the Americans did not get it, you are right. This list is international and without any Americans dominance. We the Swedish did get it and have constantly worked on energy efficiency and saving all the time since 1973. Hakan At 22:36 11/10/2005, you wrote: I think lots of people get it - didn't anyone else on this list live thru the 70's? But as soon as oil prices dropped we all forgot it and bought SUV's and McMansions. Talking about any kind of realization of change or sacrifice is anathema. Terrorism? Go shopping. Oil dwindling? Pass a tax break for the biggest SUV's. Appal Energy wrote: Congrats Joe! At least one person on this list gets it. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: I guess I didn't make my point very clearly. I was thinking about less. It seems like a lot of folks, even the ones who are so called envronmentally conscious think that means finding ways to go on with more for less impact or less cost. When I think of the word less I think of actually less. Like less consumption. Less growth. Less use. Finding ways to shift the peak of energy consumption around the clock or spread it out is still about the poison of more. We don't need any more more. We need more less. Is anyone here under the illusion that we can substitute renewables for non renewables and continue with the legacy of more? Renewables are more confining than non renewables for the love of peat! They may have a smaller footprint in some regards but they do not indulge the illusion of more. On the contrary they will demand the reality of less. J John Hayes wrote: Well, to be fair, in Sen. Lieberman's homestate, where I just so happen to live, electrical generation is 11.8% Coal, 18.5% oil, 12.9% NG, 48.9% nuclear, 1.5% hydro and 6.4% other (presumably renewables). Even better, CT is targeting 20% renewables by 2010 and 50% renewable by 2020. Thus I would have absolutely no environmental reservations about buying an EV or PEHV in CT in the next 5 years. jh Joe Street wrote: Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better dramatically better with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours when power is in surplus and cheaper would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] good wvo candidate
Hey, I'm new to the list and I've just recently become interested in using waste cooking oil to fuel my commute. I am looking to buy a good diesel truck to convert. So far, I've gathered that an older dodge is probably the best route. I've also heard that indirect injection is better than direct injection and older engines are more durable. Am I on the right path? Please let me know, because I am chomping at the bit. Make April 15th Just Another Day-Visit FairTax.orgMandy Regal ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sen. Lieberman: Biofuel + Plug-In Hybrids on threshold of commercialization
It would make things a lot easier if life were such that woes were solved in 30 minutes as on TV, but we all know that's not the case. Unfortunately, for every 'enlightened' person that I come across who is interested in alternative fuels, sustainability, and environmental responsibility - there are 12 more who think it is the 'God-given right' (those aren't my words) to drive an SUV that gets 1 HWY/0 city. There seem to only be a few ways to actually institute *the change* - 1. Get those in power to force it through 2. Rally enough people behind the cause to make it inevitable or 3. Run out of oil (etc...) What are the initiatives that will drive the average citizen to want to back this movement? Shannon Can't quite connect with all the metaphors Joe. But the inevitable end of the Leibermans of the world failing to address reality is rather obvious. Too bad that old geezers such as he won't have to reap what he helps sew. Todd Swearingen Joe Street wrote: Ok so if we follow this line of thought to it's logical conclusion where do we end up Todd? Yeah I know, 'The dark side'. Maybe the dark side is where the real Jedi warriors reside and everyone has been brainwashed to believe the opposite. It's the bizzarro world where white is really black and black is really white. Funny thing is this was actually foretold in the Tao Teh Ching (for whatever that is worth to modern society) There was a great scene in the movie The Matrix where the human race is compared to a virus, which espouses ( I assume) the same sentiment as Abbey (which I have not read). And then there's If you are not with us you are against us It's as scary as if you had swallowed a pill and have to ride out the consequences no matter how terrible the trip. Even if you discover the train is on a track to disaster there is no getting off this train. The only hope is to dream up a way to entice enough of the passengers away from the onboard entertainment to perhaps overwhelm the engineer and apply the brakes! What we need, going back to the Matrix analogy is a really good 'red pill'. Perhaps social and economic collapse is just the ticket. Throw in a few wars and a few good plagues in the mix and perhaps what comes out the other side will be more sensible. If any of us or our children are left to see it. Sorry I guess I'm not in the most optimistic mood this morning. I forgot to take my blue pill. Joe Appal Energy wrote: Snip Remember now. All this is predicated on mindless, cancerous, all-consuming economic growth in the traditional manner. Me thinks Dick Numb Nuts Cheney needs to read a little Edward Abbey, who made the casual and rather definitive observation that Growth for growth's sake is the ideology of the cancer cell. Todd Swearingen Oh yes this is dramatically better. So I wonder if he thought about how that energy was generated, and then there is the little issue of just what happens to the peak period when everyone's car is plugged in the grid every night. Sheeesh. I thought rotating blackouts was already a problem. Joe But we can do even better dramatically better with the plug-in hybrid that is just now on the threshold of commercialization. ...Plugging in your car during off peak hours when power is in surplus and cheaper would soon just become part of the modern daily routine, like plugging in your cell phone or PDA before you go to bed. And off-peak electricity can be the equivalent of 50 cent a gallon gasoline. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] SUV Drivers in Paris Get Wind Knocked Out of Them
Sometimes owning an SUV can be envrionmentally correct. I just bought a 2500 Suburban and am looking for a camping trailer to tow with it. It is replacing a gas guzzeling 560SEC Mercedes for my everyday driving and a 32 foot long (5MPG) motorhome for my recreational use. Oh yea and it's a DIESEL!! Ed Normandy Mountain Home, AR ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate
Well yes and no. although the older Cummins 5.9 engine is old school and will handle wvo if the conversion is done right. The engine has limited electronics and thus has fewer problems. The basic engine is the same new or old excepting the injection and added electronics and catalytic converter also the newer 24 valve has much more power than the 12 valve although the mileage is the same all will tell you 18 to 24 mpg. Good luck. Derick From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 6:41 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] good wvo candidate Hey, I'm new to the list and I've just recently become interested in using waste cooking oil to fuel my commute. I am looking to buy a good diesel truck to convert. So far, I've gathered that an older dodge is probably the best route. I've also heard that indirect injection is better than direct injection and older engines are more durable. Am I on the right path? Please let me know, because I am chomping at the bit. Make April 15th Just Another Day-Visit FairTax.org Mandy Regal ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll
You bet they are and the local gov and fed are in on it to an extent. The big power players own the oil co globally in stocks bonds except. It is in there best interest to get the price as high as they can. That is there personal gain. On the other side of the fence is those same people as a government and there is a big problem they are or were all broke now the taxes coming in are fixing some of there screwed up values and I don't think there going to look very hard at fuel prices since it is lining there pockets very well. I only wish they would have to do a budget as we all do. No more cash no more spending. Thank for listening. Derick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2005 2:28 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] oil price gouging poll H, so in light of this poll, does anyone believe that the oil co's, auto co's and politicos are going to actually do anything about it, besides some feeble, feel good conservation PR?? regards tallex Most Americans say oil companies are price gouging Four out of five Americans would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were devoted to alternative energy research, according to an Opinion Research Corp. (ORC) poll conducted for 40mpg.org and the Boston-based nonprofit and nonpartisan Civil Society Institute (CSI). CSI is a think tank and the 40mpg.org campaign is a project of CSI. Other key survey findings include: 87 percent of Americans think that oil companies are gouging gasoline consumers today; 81 percent say the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and America's overreliance on Middle Eastern oil; 73 percent believe that recent gasoline price hikes now make it more important that the federal government impose higher fuel-efficiency standards; and four out of five adults say that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which intends that all of its new cars going forward will use fuel-saving hybrid technology. In response to the poll, 40mpg.org has launched an online petition at www.40mpg.org allowing Americans to tell their members of Congress and the White House that they want major steps taken in terms of a windfall profits tax on oil companies and tougher fuel-efficiency standards on vehicles. CSI president Pam Solo said: Americans have seen too much price gouging and too little action from Washington on energy prices, fuel-efficient vehicles and our dangerous reliance on foreign oil. The benefits of making 40 miles per gallon the standard for all autos in the United States are obvious to Americans: consumers save money; we reduce our dangerous reliance on Middle Eastern oil, making us more secure in the world; air pollution is reduced; and we can cut the U.S. contribution to global warming by nearly a third. Greater fuel efficiency makes sense, it is technologically possible, the benefits are real and the challenges can be overcome. Some key highlights of the poll are: + Price gouging. Some 87 percent think big oil companies are currently gouging consumers at the gas pump, with 57 percent saying there is a great deal of such price gouging going on. Fewer than 4 percent say no price gouging is going on. Political affiliation makes almost no difference in how Americans respond to this question with 87 percent of independents, 82 percent of Republicans and 91 percent of Democrats saying there is a great deal or some price gouging going on. + Windfall profits tax on oil companies. Seventy-nine percent would support a tax on the windfall profits of oil companies if the resulting revenues were spent on research on alternative energy. Support for targeting windfall profits tax revenues to underwrite alternative energy research was higher than two other listed alternatives: wetlands restoration in Gulf Coast states to minimize the impact of future hurricanes (70 percent); and a direct rebate to each consumer with a driver's license (53 percent). + Federal inaction. Four out of five think the federal government is not doing enough about high energy prices and the U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern energy sources. Political affiliation was somewhat more evident as a factor in the responses to this question, with 83 percent of independents, 74 percent of Republicans and 90 percent of Democrats expressing dissatisfaction with current federal policies + Higher fuel-efficiency standards. Seventy-three percent think that recent gasoline price hikes now make it much more or somewhat more important that the federal government takes new steps to require higher fuel-efficiency standards for cars and other vehicles. + Hybrid technology. Four out of five Americans think that U.S. automakers should follow the same path as Toyota, which has announced that all of its new cars going forward
Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks
If its clean you can get a pump from harbor fright 12 v and not top pricy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:13 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Pumping WVO from tanks I have found a Chinese restaurant that will let me have all the WVO I want and it tests good. How do I get the WVO out of the tank? It is sitting on the ground and I need to pump it into a barrel on the back of my truck. See how Chuck Ranum does it: Chuck Ranum's biodiesel processor http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor4.html Also: Pumps - Collecting used oil http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_supply.html#pumps Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
