Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
Nothing against the data model. But he wasn't talking about that, he was
claiming virtualisation as something Pick did and that the world would have
been a different place if Dick Pick was still with us. He also claimed that
much of what happens today is due to what happened in Pick many years ago,
all of them are a bit of a stretch of the imagination.
As a 25 year veteran of this technology, and someone whose company is
heavily involved in writing new software with U2, I think it needs to be
promoted on it's merits. Amongst those are the data structure and the
ability to fit in with other technologies. There is enough that is good to
shout about without claiming that the world owes everything to Pick.
George
On 09/07/2008 01:40, "Frank Eperjesi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Curious, what you feel is untrue about what the author said.
>
> A few years ago the one of Microsoft's directors of development wrote an
> article (I believe it was titled One Step Forward, Two steps back)
> wherein he pointed out how the original Pick Data model was so good.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:19 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
> [not-secure]
>
> Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
>
> George
>
> On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
>> Software Development Times
>>
>>
>>
>> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>>
>>
>>
>> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
> 15,
>> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
> old
>> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
>> 1970s.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
>> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
> easiest-to-use
>> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
> it
>> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
>> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
>> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
> in
>> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
> ever
>> heard of it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
>> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
> tell
>> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
> whiz-bang
>> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
>> days once in awhile?
>>
>>
>>
>> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Hennessey
>>
>> State of Connecticut
>>
>> Department of Social Services
>>
>> Information Technology Services
>>
>> Child Support Systems
>>
>> Voice: 860-424-5261
>>
>> Fax: 860-424-4813
>> ---
>> u2-users mailing list
>> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
>
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Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
I know what you mean, but the concept that Pick did virtualisation in the 70s and that the world would have been a different place if Dick Pick had lived longer are stretching credibility. But there is certainly something in the 'nothing is new' analysis. Years ago mainframes used dumb screens where you typed in a page of data and submitted it. Then over time the input devices started communicating with the server on a field by field basis, then logic started to be loaded to the user's device to run locally. Then we got web pages where you typed in a page of data and submitted it. Over time the web browsers started communicating back on a field by field basis and logic started to be loaded to the user's device to run locally. And so on... George On 09/07/2008 01:07, "Clifton Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That was my first reaction, too. Doesn't seem to know the difference > between virtualization and platform independence. > > My second thought, when the editor lobe of my brain kicked in, was, > "My. What an 'interesting' attitude and tone to use to try to win > over an editor to your viewpoint and get favorable mention in that > publication." > > > Regards, > > Clif > ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately on +44 (01952) 214000 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please delete and destroy any copies in any format of this email you may have received in error. The recipient should note that the views contained or expressed within this correspondence do not necessarily reflect those of APT Solutions Limited , it subsidiaries, affiliates or associates. This email and any attachments are not guaranteed to be free from so-called computer viruses and it is recommended that you check for such viruses before down-loading it to your computer equipment. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that the onward transmission, opening or use of this message or any attachments will not adversely affect their systems or data. Registered Office:- Stratum House, Stafford Park 10, Telford, Shropshire, TF3 3AB Registration Number:- 2228445 Place of Registration: England & Wales ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
Curious, what you feel is untrue about what the author said.
A few years ago the one of Microsoft's directors of development wrote an
article (I believe it was titled One Step Forward, Two steps back)
wherein he pointed out how the original Pick Data model was so good.
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
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RE: [U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe
SAP is using a SQL database. What I've done to automate some of the data sharing is from the Universe side, I have triggers on certain tables that execute SQL statements against our SQL Server databases to do what I need. Inserts, Updates, etc. all work like a charm. I haven't tried it the other way but I gather it would work with OLEDB or even ODBC if I was desperate. Mike Randall, MCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:30 PM To: U2Users Subject: [U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe Hi all ideally my client would like Universe to interogate SAP, extract data and upload its own database without having to involve the SAP army ie rather not have one side provide a flat file and the other side deconstruct it The only thing i can think of at the moment is use excel as an intermediary such that... run an excel query on sap to load a spreadsheet upload this data into universe via uniobjects Any ideas appreciated jak --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe
Hi John, doesn't excel query SAP using ODBC? You might be able to do the same directly from UV or in your uniobjects client. Craig --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
I hate to say it but it's our own fault. Many of us have been around a
while and now have positions of influence as far as the software systems.
If you are still writing green screen apps in this day and age then you
deserve what you get. While we have a Universe backend, there will never
be another character based screen written in my shop. U2 supports every
modern interface out there. If you are too [...]
to use them, you deserve your fate.
Harsh, but true
Mike Randall, MCP
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:38 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Well, just don't let anyone tell you that SQL is new
"The first version of SQL was developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and
Raymond F. Boyce in the early 1970s. "
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 14:45
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Nope. I don't do any data warehousing, business intelligence, or
database development in my current position.
I guess I should have been more specific. I would love to have a job
doing one or all of those things in a current, marketable technology
like Oracle or SQL Server.
I've uprooted my family twice in the last three years for job changes
and I don't want to do it any more.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:56 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Karen,
Aren't you already doing those jobs on U2?
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:29 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
LOL I agree. He should speak for himself.
I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data
warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000
Plano, TX 75093
Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227
Fax: 972.713.3777
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.tylertech.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
> u2-users mailing list
> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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RE: [U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe
One acronym: BCI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Kent Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 6:30 PM To: U2Users Subject: [U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe Hi all ideally my client would like Universe to interogate SAP, extract data and upload its own database without having to involve the SAP army ie rather not have one side provide a flat file and the other side deconstruct it The only thing i can think of at the moment is use excel as an intermediary such that... run an excel query on sap to load a spreadsheet upload this data into universe via uniobjects Any ideas appreciated jak --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
That was my first reaction, too. Doesn't seem to know the difference between virtualization and platform independence. My second thought, when the editor lobe of my brain kicked in, was, "My. What an 'interesting' attitude and tone to use to try to win over an editor to your viewpoint and get favorable mention in that publication." Regards, Clif On Jul 8, 2008, at 12:18 PM, George Land wrote: > Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true. > > George > > On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1 >> Software Development Times >> >> >> >> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Getting daily data from SAP from Universe
Hi all ideally my client would like Universe to interogate SAP, extract data and upload its own database without having to involve the SAP army ie rather not have one side provide a flat file and the other side deconstruct it The only thing i can think of at the moment is use excel as an intermediary such that... run an excel query on sap to load a spreadsheet upload this data into universe via uniobjects Any ideas appreciated jak --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
Well, just don't let anyone tell you that SQL is new
"The first version of SQL was developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and
Raymond F. Boyce in the early 1970s. "
from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 14:45
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Nope. I don't do any data warehousing, business intelligence, or
database development in my current position.
I guess I should have been more specific. I would love to have a job
doing one or all of those things in a current, marketable technology
like Oracle or SQL Server.
I've uprooted my family twice in the last three years for job changes
and I don't want to do it any more.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:56 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Karen,
Aren't you already doing those jobs on U2?
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:29 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
LOL I agree. He should speak for himself.
I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data
warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000
Plano, TX 75093
Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227
Fax: 972.713.3777
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.tylertech.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
> u2-users mailing list
> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
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RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
Nope. I don't do any data warehousing, business intelligence, or
database development in my current position.
I guess I should have been more specific. I would love to have a job
doing one or all of those things in a current, marketable technology
like Oracle or SQL Server.
I've uprooted my family twice in the last three years for job changes
and I don't want to do it any more.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:56 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Karen,
Aren't you already doing those jobs on U2?
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:29 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
LOL I agree. He should speak for himself.
I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data
warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000
Plano, TX 75093
Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227
Fax: 972.713.3777
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.tylertech.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
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RE: [U2] ouch
You didn't say unidata or universe... This guy has a unidata decompiler, not sure how fast they are http://www.infocus50.com/products/xtrico.html btw, at 52 I haven't been using paper for 25 years :-) hth, Allen E. Elwood www.tortillafc.com Quality Code Since 1978 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 12:35 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] ouch We just had something chew up two source programs today. We have restored from yesterday, but that still means 4-5 lost hours. And the programmer is one of those young guys that works directly to/from the screen rather then pencil scribling like this old timer. He still has the latest version of object. Is there a quick/free way to look at his object code and remind him of the program structure? Thanks, Roger --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
It was virtually accurate, IMHO. %-) I sympathize with Karen. This is why we offered 3 new technologies at the recent Texmug meeting: XML, Imaging & MV, and the new object enabled MV database - OpenQM. We must add new tools to our belt to keep ourselves viable. I'm sorry you couldn't make it out ... hopefully next time. -Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bessel, Karen Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:29 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure] LOL I agree. He should speak for himself. I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow. Karen Bessel Software Developer Tyler Technologies, Inc. 6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000 Plano, TX 75093 Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227 Fax: 972.713.3777 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.tylertech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure] Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true. George On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1 > Software Development Times > > > > HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
Karen,
Aren't you already doing those jobs on U2?
Jerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bessel, Karen
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 3:29 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
LOL I agree. He should speak for himself.
I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data
warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000
Plano, TX 75093
Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227
Fax: 972.713.3777
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.tylertech.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
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> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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Re: [U2] ouch
> We just had something chew up two source programs today. We have > restored from yesterday, but that still means 4-5 lost hours. And the > programmer is one of those young guys that works directly to/from the > screen rather then pencil scribling like this old timer. > > He still has the latest version of object. Is there a quick/free way to > look at his object code and remind him of the program structure? VLIST BP FNAME may work, and may not if the source is gone. But it may be worth trying. Also, I have a Linux server on my network that has a 300 GB disk. I have NFS mounts to and from our business system to that Linux server's 300 GB disk. Nightly at 1am, a script I wrote copies our business database, including source and object, and customer/vendor data, etc. from the server to the Linux 300 GB disk in subdirectories named day_01, day_02 day_31 which means we have a month of backups available at any given time. I have HTTP running on the Linux server so programmers can point their browser to it, and select navigate into day_NN/BP/BP to see whatever source code they just hosed. This has saved hours of restore time for me, the IT department (yes, my title is IT Director, but I digress). Just a thought. Easy to implement, even if your server is WINDOWS based using Sambe instead of NFS. I do both, by the way, but the Samba shares backup our accountant's tax tables and other spreadsheets daily at 8am after initial editing is over (she starts at 7am). HTH, Karl > > Thanks, > Roger > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ > -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 ATS: Customers Are Our Priority --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
LOL I agree. He should speak for himself.
I'd trade my "legacy" software developer job for a data
warehousing/business intelligence/database developer job tomorrow.
Karen Bessel
Software Developer
Tyler Technologies, Inc.
6500 International Parkway, Suite 2000
Plano, TX 75093
Phone: 972.713.3770 ext:6227
Fax: 972.713.3777
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Web: http://www.tylertech.com
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Land
Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:19 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor...
[not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May
15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an
old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the
easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet,
it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening
in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have
ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll
tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the
whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
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RE: [U2] Converting 32bit files to 64bit
A couple questions: 1) How do you know it didn't convert? 2) What hardware platform and do you know that your hardware can do 64-bit? Jeff Fitzgerald Fitzgerald & Long, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martel, Henry Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:38 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Converting 32bit files to 64bit Can someone give the correct command for converting 32bit Universe files to 64 bit? I've tried the following command on my Dynamic file: "RESIZE PMO 30 64BIT" and it ran for a while without error, but it did not covert. I am not sure what is missing. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] ouch
We just had something chew up two source programs today. We have restored from yesterday, but that still means 4-5 lost hours. And the programmer is one of those young guys that works directly to/from the screen rather then pencil scribling like this old timer. He still has the latest version of object. Is there a quick/free way to look at his object code and remind him of the program structure? Thanks, Roger --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Converting 32bit files to 64bit
Can someone give the correct command for converting 32bit Universe files to 64 bit? I've tried the following command on my Dynamic file: "RESIZE PMO 30 64BIT" and it ran for a while without error, but it did not covert. I am not sure what is missing. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
Interesting, it's a shame that what he says isn't really true.
George
On 08/07/2008 19:59, "Hennessey, Mark F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
> Software Development Times
>
>
>
> HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
>
>
>
> I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May 15,
> page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an old
> Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
> 1970s.
>
>
>
> The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
> Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the easiest-to-use
> and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet, it
> never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
>
>
>
> Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
> Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
> All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening in
> their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have ever
> heard of it.
>
>
>
> Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
> different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll tell
> you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the whiz-bang
> buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
> days once in awhile?
>
>
>
> Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Hennessey
>
> State of Connecticut
>
> Department of Social Services
>
> Information Technology Services
>
> Child Support Systems
>
> Voice: 860-424-5261
>
> Fax: 860-424-4813
> ---
> u2-users mailing list
> u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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[U2] OT - Pick mentioned in letter to the editor... [not-secure]
This appeared in the letters to the editor section of the July 1
Software Development Times
HIS PICK FOR AN OS IS CLEAR
I read your article about virtualization ("Virtualization 3.0," May 15,
page 25, or http://tinyurl.com/5j4dnc) with some amusement. I am an old
Pick database programmer, and Pick has done virtualization since the
1970s.
The Pick OS will load and run on just about any platform, including
Microsoft's. It uses built-in tools to create one of the easiest-to-use
and most versatile 3D relational database models on the market. Yet, it
never merits mention in any of the "mainstream" media periodicals.
Just about every buzzword and acronym you guys punch out every month,
Pick has been doing since bell-bottoms and afro hairdos were in style.
All the techno-weenies out there owe a great deal of what's happening in
their careers to this venerable OS, yet I'll bet less than 5% have ever
heard of it.
Had Dick Pick not passed away in the mid-1990s, things might have been
different today. But wherever you find a Pickie out there, they'll tell
you that they wouldn't trade their "legacy system" for all the whiz-bang
buzzword-laden toys in the world. So how about a nod to the good old
days once in awhile?
Gary Lass Wilsonville, Ore.
Mark Hennessey
State of Connecticut
Department of Social Services
Information Technology Services
Child Support Systems
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RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server
Louie, You can read a file on the system with UniObjects directly. I opened a file /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS/MFG.DATA.IPS070808 by opening the MFG.DATA.IPS file record ID o;?MFG.DATA.IPS070808. /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS has a VOC entry. 0001 DIR 0002 /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS 0003 D_VOC In this case the file was read with the UniFile class. Each line is an attribute. There are sequential file classes as well. Please refer to the developers guide. http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US&FNC=SRX&PBL=G251-2407-00# HTH On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 08:04 +0200, Louie Gouws wrote: > Hi Tony, > > It is a VB.Net application. Using UO.Net to interface with UniVerse. > > The System Administrator must set up a template of two documents. There are > rules on how to do these documents. It is pulled into a richtextbox in VB. > Where bold, italic, bullets etc. can be used. These documents will "sit" on > the UV Server. > > Other users will "get" these document templates - the application will fill > in the tags (e.g. will be replaced with the date in the correct > format, will be replaced with the real name etc.) > > The user then will have the option to print this document. The completed > document will then (with unique key) be written to the UV Server. > > That's about it > > Louie > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony G > Sent: 07 July 2008 22:02 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server > > I understand you aren't going to use Word and that you have your > solution. > > Just so that we understand how you're using the environment, I'm > curious about exactly what the application for a Rich Text > document is. It looks like you're allowing users to create > templates which are used to populate data. I'm wondering who is > creating the templates and who is consuming the final document - > that would affect the choice of tools. > > I've found that very frequently people ask "how do I do _this_" > when _this_ isn't really the best way to handle the real business > problem. It's the difference between strategic and tactical, and > while some people get a little miffed with some asks about their > approach, sometimes another set of eyes/ears can improve the > tactical approach a great deal - or in this case help any of us > tackling a similar problem. > > T > Tony Gravagno > Nebula Research and Development > TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Malcolm Bull
Malcolm has been talking about pulling the site for a few years now. Both Glen Batchlor and I offered to re-host it for him, but he declined. - Chuck JPB-U2UG wrote: Has something happened to Malcolm Bull? His site is no longer on AOL. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server
Louie, You can read a file on the system with UniObjects directly. I opened a file /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS/MFG.DATA.IPS070808 by opening the MFG.DATA.IPS file record ID o;?MFG.DATA.IPS070808. /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS has a VOC entry. 0001 DIR 0002 /tmp/MFG.DATA.IPS 0003 D_VOC In this case the file was read with the UniFile class. Each line is an attribute. There are sequential file classes as well. Please refer to the developers guide. http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/publications/servlet/pbi.wss?CTY=US&FNC=SRX&PBL=G251-2407-00# HTH On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 08:04 +0200, Louie Gouws wrote: > Hi Tony, > > It is a VB.Net application. Using UO.Net to interface with UniVerse. > > The System Administrator must set up a template of two documents. There are > rules on how to do these documents. It is pulled into a richtextbox in VB. > Where bold, italic, bullets etc. can be used. These documents will "sit" on > the UV Server. > > Other users will "get" these document templates - the application will fill > in the tags (e.g. will be replaced with the date in the correct > format, will be replaced with the real name etc.) > > The user then will have the option to print this document. The completed > document will then (with unique key) be written to the UV Server. > > That's about it > > Louie > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony G > Sent: 07 July 2008 22:02 > To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > Subject: RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server > > I understand you aren't going to use Word and that you have your > solution. > > Just so that we understand how you're using the environment, I'm > curious about exactly what the application for a Rich Text > document is. It looks like you're allowing users to create > templates which are used to populate data. I'm wondering who is > creating the templates and who is consuming the final document - > that would affect the choice of tools. > > I've found that very frequently people ask "how do I do _this_" > when _this_ isn't really the best way to handle the real business > problem. It's the difference between strategic and tactical, and > while some people get a little miffed with some asks about their > approach, sometimes another set of eyes/ears can improve the > tactical approach a great deal - or in this case help any of us > tackling a similar problem. > > T > Tony Gravagno > Nebula Research and Development > TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com > --- > u2-users mailing list > u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org > To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Malcolm Bull
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RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server
Sounds like you came up with a simple but effective way to do document management. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Louie Gouws Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server Hi Tony, It is a VB.Net application. Using UO.Net to interface with UniVerse. The System Administrator must set up a template of two documents. There are rules on how to do these documents. It is pulled into a richtextbox in VB. Where bold, italic, bullets etc. can be used. These documents will "sit" on the UV Server. Other users will "get" these document templates - the application will fill in the tags (e.g. will be replaced with the date in the correct format, will be replaced with the real name etc.) The user then will have the option to print this document. The completed document will then (with unique key) be written to the UV Server. That's about it Louie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tony G Sent: 07 July 2008 22:02 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniObjects - read .rtf doc from UV server I understand you aren't going to use Word and that you have your solution. Just so that we understand how you're using the environment, I'm curious about exactly what the application for a Rich Text document is. It looks like you're allowing users to create templates which are used to populate data. I'm wondering who is creating the templates and who is consuming the final document - that would affect the choice of tools. I've found that very frequently people ask "how do I do _this_" when _this_ isn't really the best way to handle the real business problem. It's the difference between strategic and tactical, and while some people get a little miffed with some asks about their approach, sometimes another set of eyes/ears can improve the tactical approach a great deal - or in this case help any of us tackling a similar problem. T Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] charset uv database
Actually iso-8859-1 is fine except for 4 characters, char252,253,254 and 255, basically meaning you cannot store u umlaut and some others if in that character set. However if you use utf-8 you can store these characters and retrieve them in your code. What may not work so well for utf-8 characters over 0x7f is the inbuilt sort and display routines, i.e. TCL commands like sort, select etc. It is a funny kind of question really as the character set is irrelevant to the data storage, but the encoding is important especially as uv uses certain special characters as delimiters in its data store. None of these characters are in use by utf-8 so it is fairly safe to store that. What you must remember is what encoding you are using when writing data to a uv file so you know how to treat it when you get it back out. Uv itself does not enforce or remember what encoding has been used. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Boydell, Stuart Sent: 08 July 2008 07:12 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] charset uv database Hi Pam, Western European (iso-8859-1) Cheers, Stuart >-Original Message- >hi, I would like to know the default charset use by an UV database ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.134 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1533 - Release Date: 7/3/2008 7:19 PM --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] charset uv database
All, Yes. If NLS is not installed (# analyze.shm -M --> "National Language Support is not enabled."), system default is used (on AIX : smit > System Environments > Manage Language Environment > Change/Show Primary Language Environment > Change/Show Cultural Convention, Language, or Keyboard > Primary CULTURAL convention and Primary LANGUAGE translation). Cheers. Christian -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Boydell, Stuart Envoyi : mardi 8 juillet 2008 08:12 @ : u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Objet : RE: [U2] charset uv database Hi Pam, Western European (iso-8859-1) Cheers, Stuart >-Original Message- >hi, I would like to know the default charset use by an UV database ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
