Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We’ve had good results with Exalt ExtendAir G2, too: 11GHz, 18GHz, 23GHz. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Adair Winter Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 4:35 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We use Exalt ExtendAir G2 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:31 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com mailto:rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I'd like to do a budget and need to know what others are using besides just the manufacturer such as the model numbers, antenna size, etc... On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Mathew Howard mat...@litewire.net mailto:mat...@litewire.net wrote: You're just supposed to get someone else to do the math for you... really, just pick a brand and tell them what you want to do, and they'll tell you what you need... I like SAF too. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] on behalf of Seth Mattinen [se...@rollernet.us mailto:se...@rollernet.us ] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:44 PM To: ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance On 12/1/14, 12:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! It was my understanding that there would be no math. ~Seth ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- -RickG KyWiFi ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users -- Adair Winter VP, Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
[Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I'm wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]https://twitter.com/ICSIL From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We have one at 12.5 miles and it reports Rx Capacity at 213 Mbps, but I don't know what that translate to reality. That is a 50 MHz channel width at 5800 MHz with signal levels around -65 and a noise level of about -92. We are having difficulty maintaining that 213, it wants to switch back and fourth to 110. Ran some AirView's yesterday to see what the spectrum looks like and it is not good. The only clear area's are DFS off limits and all of the rest of the spectrum from 5400 to 5900 has at least a 20 MHz channel width AP on it already. Phil On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote: Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
Any chance you can find two smaller channels and use it in full duplex? the nice thing about running the AF5 in full duplex is that the channels only need to be clean at the receive end... and if you don't need as much capacity one direction, you can use a smaller channel. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Phil Curnutt [pcurn...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:18 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We have one at 12.5 miles and it reports Rx Capacity at 213 Mbps, but I don't know what that translate to reality. That is a 50 MHz channel width at 5800 MHz with signal levels around -65 and a noise level of about -92. We are having difficulty maintaining that 213, it wants to switch back and fourth to 110. Ran some AirView's yesterday to see what the spectrum looks like and it is not good. The only clear area's are DFS off limits and all of the rest of the spectrum from 5400 to 5900 has at least a 20 MHz channel width AP on it already. Phil On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.commailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com wrote: Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.orgmailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. _ From: mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
That's good to know. What about unlicensed since we know those vary greatly! On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:20 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: And on that note, has anyone done a backhaul bakeoff lately? I'd like to know what kind of performance (and cost) is available out there these days! On Mon, Dec 1, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mike Hammett wispaubntus...@ics-il.net wrote: There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I'm thinking Mike, I've already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM *Subject: *Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. -- *From:* ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM *To:* Ubiquiti Users Group *Subject:* Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png] https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png] https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png] https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions[image: http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png] https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com *To: *ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org *Sent: *Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM *Subject: *[Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
On 12/1/14, 12:34, Josh Luthman wrote: Waste of time in the licensed world. They all perform as they advertise. Modulation * channel size = megabits per second. Price varies, GUI varies, support varies. Go SAF! It was my understanding that there would be no math. ~Seth ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
We already use SAF Lumina’s which I’ve had good luck with. A plus would be if we can use the same band radio to minimize on the shelf spares. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:02 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. _ From: mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL _ From: Robert Haas mailto:rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users mailto:ubnt_users@wispa.org ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list mailto:Ubnt_users@wispa.org Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance
If you're using SAF, then keep using them unless you have a reason to change for the exact reasons you specify. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 4:13:32 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance We already use SAF Lumina’s which I’ve had good luck with. A plus would be if we can use the same band radio to minimize on the shelf spares. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 2:02 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance There's a plethora of WISPA vendor members that make (or sell) licensed links. Few people have anything bad to say about any of them. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:56:59 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance That is what I’m thinking Mike, I’ve already shot an E-mail off to Pete @ SAF to start looking at some licensed gear. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 1:12 PM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance You're not going to find much that'll do better than 100/100 at that distance without going licensed. Maybe the PTP600\650? Anything AC based with appropriately sized dishes will and will likely also work in 5150. However, a 100/100 customer should be generating $1,500-$2,500/month, so maybe a licensed link is in the budget? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: Ubiquiti Users Group ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 1:06:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Thanks, sounds like I need to look towards a different solution. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:59 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance As long as it has good line of site and 5.8ghz is clean enough, it should work fine. According to the built in link calculator, it should be able to do 149.76Mbps using 20mhz channels at 13 miles... if you need more than that, you can use wider channels, but that's going to be using pretty much the whole 5.8ghz band. From: ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org [ubnt_users-boun...@wispa.org] on behalf of Mike Hammett [wispaubntus...@ics-il.net] Sent: Monday, December 01, 2014 11:35 AM To: Ubiquiti Users Group Subject: Re: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance http://www.balticnetworks.com/wireless-calculators http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/airfiber/airFiber_DS.pdf Guessing 20 dB of Tx power, you should be able to maintain that if you have low noise. AF5 won't work in 5150. DFS won't reach that far, so you have to use 5.8. For areas over -88 noise it probably won't work well. If noise permits, a 10 MHz or 20 MHz channel will give you 100/100. If you can make 8x modulation, 10 MHz should be fine. For each lower modulation, you'll need the next bigger channel (roughly). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.pnghttp://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png From: Robert Haas rob-li...@bpsnetworks.com To: ubnt users ubnt_users@wispa.org Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:25:27 AM Subject: [Ubnt_users] AF5 distance Would an AF5 be able to supply 150/150 (true throughput) @ 13mi? We have a customer requesting a 100/100 connection who is 5 miles from one of our tower sites. Our site is currently 3 hops from any of our fiber fed tower sites. With some redesign work and a mile or two of fiber I can shorten that to a single 13 Mile hop but I’m wondering if I can use an AF 5 for that hop and get the needed throughput. Thanks, Robert Haas ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users ___ Ubnt_users mailing list Ubnt_users@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/ubnt_users
