Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Jim Sims]

The thought occurs to me that  Web Apps are looking far more attractive.

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Re: XMLRPC question

[Leland Vandervort]

I seem to be having memory flashbacks to one time at a coffee shop (no
coffee present) in Dam square in Amsterdam... Hmmm...

;-)

L.


Le 21/10/2010 23:56, « Bob Sneidar »  a écrit :

> So THAT'S why I can't figure them out! I quit smoking hash a long time ago!
> And do they really make tables specifically for smoking hash?? Something's not
> right. It may be me.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
>> Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but
>> hash tables.
> 
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Re: XMLRPC question

[Leland Vandervort]

Hi Mark, 

Thanks for the tip.  Will check out your libSOAP, though there are some
small (but majorly significant) differences between SOAP and pure XMLRPC,
especially for the service that I'm trying to prototype for.  (basically a
client to control, provision, and monitor virtual server resources that one
has with a certain cloud VPS provider).

I would just bite the bullet and do it all in C++/Qt, but that takes quite a
bit of time, and for it to be truly cross-platform, I have to build it on
three separate platforms with modifications to the headers, paths, and
makefiles each time, which makes it somewhat cumbersome.  (Been down that
route before when I did an app for our support team that had to run on
Linux, Windows and Mac... -- actually that's the reason I bought the Mac in
the first place, and since I did I've been using it as my primary
workstation ever since, though I still extensively also use Linux, and
windows to a lesser extent -- vendor agnostic style !)

Regards, 


Leland



Le 21/10/2010 23:50, « Mark Wieder »  a écrit :

> Leland-
> 
> Welcome to the list. In addition to what Andre's already posted,
> 
> It's certainly possible in perl to create some densely terse routines,
> so I think the claim of "less coding" is quite relative, and depends
> somewhat on what libraries you already have available to you. From
> your perl snippets it looks like you're dealing with web services on a
> remote server. In that case the library I put on revOnline may be of
> some help to you: libSOAP. I've tried to encapsulate some of the
> complexities of dealing with XMLRPC in an easy (easier) to use and
> more rev^H^H^Hlivecode-friendly format. Your phrase "relatively
> straightforward" again is in the eye of the beholder, but hopefully
> this may give you something to start with.

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Re: XMLRPC question

[Leland Vandervort]

Hi Andre, 

Nah.. Frontier is one of the [XML]RPC libraries available for perl in CPAN.
For client side applications it's much simpler to use than the standard
RPC::XML::Client library because it handles the mapping of the data
structures back into hashrefs and dynamically types them, whereas the
standard RPC::XML::Client needs a bit more wrap around it to do effective
typing (bool, int, string, etc.) and hashref mapping.  I don't use Frontier
for server-side though because it doesn't serialise correctly for the
complex recursive/embedded data structures that I often need -- for server
side I use RPC::XML::Server.

As for multidimensional arrays (hashes), all I can say is WIN WIN WIN.  I
use these extensively in Perl, C# (under the guise of Dictionary<>, or
simply multiple declared structures) and C++/Qt (under the guise of
Qmap).

I'm still trying to get to grips with Rev/LiveCode since as you can probably
tell, being used to object-oriented algorithmic languages (Perl, C++, C#,
etc) it's a completely different mindset when moving to a very high level,
almost natural, language... As Yoda said .. "you must unlearn what you have
learned"... Fine for a 900 year old muppet ... LOL

My primary use of Rev/LiveCode is prototyping, especially for cross
platform, but if it's something that in the end is robust, quick, and still
cross-platform, then I can simply deploy with Rev and be done with it :)
(Plus, I am interested in the mobile application deployment options as
well...)

Regards, 

Leland




Le 21/10/2010 23:39, « Andre Garzia »  a écrit :

> Hello There Leland,
> 
> Be welcome. Are you calling Userland Frontier server with that XML-RPC code?
> 
> Well, let my curiosity be put aside and let us get back to business. Our
> XML-RPC library is barebones, it works but it is basically some convenient
> methods wrapping our XML generation library. Mind you that some time ago,
> LiveCode (then known as Revolution) had no multidimensional arrays, so
> building structs and more complex objects was not trivial since we could not
> match them to some of our data types.
> 
> Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but
> hash tables. So we could map back and forth complex structs/arrays with ease
> but no one bothered to write those routines. I bet people here have their
> own home cooked solution.
> 
> I built in dozens of lines a routine to pick an array (LiveCode one) and
> build a struct out of it. Works well and is used internally for testing on
> the company I work for. I haven't build the reverse routine to pick from
> XML-RPC response and decode it back to something addressable.
> 
> Mind you that building that routine is not actually difficult, it is just
> tedious and error prone but it is simple. These days I am somewhat busy but
> as soon as I have free time, I will address this problem. In the mean while,
> I suggest that you use a combination of XML-RPC and XML routines to extract
> your data. You can make it generic enough so that you can feed it any
> XML-RPC response and get an array back, the trick is the iteration routine
> to recursively extract arrays and structs from inside arrays and structs.
> 
> So making a summary, right now, you don't have fancy routines for making an
> XML-RPC a nice object if the response contains complex structures but you
> have helper XML and XML-RPC methods that make building such function an
> approachable task that can be finished in couple hours.
> 
> sorry for not being more helpful right now.
> 
> andre
> PS: I am somewhat disornganized with my projects, there might be the case
> that I've built this function in the past and forgot about it. Will check
> out.
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Lion scrollbars

[jim sims]

Making apps approvable by the app store, as others have noted, might require 
changes by LiveCode/RunRev.

Scrollbars might need some serious makeovers:

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/10/21/apple_leaks_new_scroll_bar_ui_details_in_mac_os_x_10_7_lion.html


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Re: revServer installation issues

[Mike Bonner]

Glad it worked.  Looking forward to the explanation.

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Phil Davis  wrote:

> Thanks Andre! This is a crazy problem. I just made the changes you
> recommend and added the .htaccess back into the mix, but no joy! I'm
> guessing I made a change to my httpd.conf at some point without commenting
> it and that's what is keeping your solution from working here. I'll see if I
> can track it down and post an explanation.
>
> However I am not without a solution: Mike sent me a copy of his httpd.conf,
> I replaced mine with it and *BAM* my .irev pages are now working!
>
> I am truly amazed at (and grateful for) the level of support provided by
> you guys, Andre and Mike, and so many other people on this list. It's an
> honor to be here!
>
> Phil
>
>
> On 10/21/10 2:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> This is FIXED!!
>>
>> Damn
>>
>>
>> Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this
>> comes
>> set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.
>>
>> You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
>> .htaccess files and they will work.
>>
>> Just did it here.
>>
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Re: revServer installation issues

[Phil Davis]

Thanks Andre! This is a crazy problem. I just made the changes you recommend and 
added the .htaccess back into the mix, but no joy! I'm guessing I made a change 
to my httpd.conf at some point without commenting it and that's what is keeping 
your solution from working here. I'll see if I can track it down and post an 
explanation.


However I am not without a solution: Mike sent me a copy of his httpd.conf, I 
replaced mine with it and *BAM* my .irev pages are now working!


I am truly amazed at (and grateful for) the level of support provided by you 
guys, Andre and Mike, and so many other people on this list. It's an honor to be 
here!


Phil


On 10/21/10 2:26 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

Folks,

This is FIXED!!

Damn


Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes
set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.

You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
.htaccess files and they will work.

Just did it here.

Andre
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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/21/10 7:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

Jacque-

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 4:19:59 PM, you wrote:


Tab on return (i.e., autoTab) only happens when you are on the last line
of the field. So in a 3-line field, a return key will only tab to the
next field if the cursor is on line 3, otherwise it inserts a carriage
return. Scrolling fields have no "last" line, they are infinite, so
autoTab never triggers on those.


I realize this probably makes sense, but I had to read it three times
before I could parse it.



It made sense when I wrote it...does it make sense now?

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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

[Richard Gaskin]

Matthias Rebbe wrote:

i see in your example that you are submitting the form to mydropbox.cgi. Is 
this cgi made in rev?
and if so, would you share it?


That particular CGI is written in Perl, but copied below is an early 
draft of one I've been working on for RevCloud.


Note that it's very much an early draft and hasn't had much testing, and 
that it's designed only to parse the multi-part form data into a 
memory-based array for other functions to write out to disk if needed, 
so while it's held up okay when sending files of a few MBs it doesn't 
provide asynchronous feedback and isn't suitable for really large files 
like videos.  I would be grateful if someone had a more robust 
asynchronous solution they could share.




on _cgiGetInput
  if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
-- POST: -
put empty into tBuffer
repeat until length(tBuffer) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
  read from stdin until empty
  put it after tBuffer
end repeat
if tBuffer is empty then put $QUERY_STRING into tBuffer
--
if char 1 to 30 of $CONTENT_TYPE = "multipart/form-data; boundary=" 
then

  -- MULTI-PART FORM:
  put $CONTENT_TYPE into tMimeBoundary
  delete char 1 to 30 of tMimeBoundary
  if char 1 of tMimeBoundary = quote then delete char 1 of 
tMimeBoundary
  if last char of tMimeBoundary = quote then delete last char of 
tMimeBoundary

  --
  repeat
-- Get next part:
put lineoffset(tMimeBoundary, tBuffer) into  tStart
if tStart = 0 then exit repeat
delete line 1 to tStart of tBuffer
put lineoffset(tMimeBoundary, tBuffer) into tEnd
if tEnd = 0 then exit repeat
put line 1 to (tEnd-1) of tBuffer into tPartData
delete last char of tPartData -- trailing CR
--
-- Parse part:
put line 1 of tPartData into tInfo
set the itemdel to ";"
put item 2 of tInfo into tName
delete char 1 to 7 of tName
delete last char of tName
if last char of tName  = quote then delete last char of tName
--
put empty into tFileName
if (the number of items of tInfo = 3) \
AND (char 1 to 10 of item 3 of tInfo = " filename=") then
  -- file data:
  put item 3 of tInfo into tFileName
  delete char 1 to 11 of tFileName
  delete last char of tFileName
  if last char of tFileName  = quote then delete last char of 
tFileName

  --
  # put tFileName into gCGIFileNamesA[tName]

end if
-- get raw data:
if char 1 to 13 of line 2 of tPartData = "Content-Type:" then
  delete line 1 to 3 of tPartData
else
  delete line 1 to 2 of tPartData
end if
if tFileName is empty then
  put tPartData into gCGIDataInA[tName]
else
  put tPartData into gCGIDataInA["file:"&tFileName]
end if
  end repeat
  --
else
  -- NORMAL FORM:
  put tBuffer into gCGIDataInA
  split gCGIDataInA  by "&" and "="
  repeat for each line tKey in the keys of gCGIDataInA
put URLDecode(gCGIDataInA[tKey]) into gCGIDataInA[tKey]
  end repeat
end if
--
  else
-- GET: -
put $QUERY_STRING into gCGIDataInA
split gCGIDataInA by "&" and "="
repeat for each line tKey in the keys of gCGIDataInA
  put urlDecode(gCGIDataInA[tKey]) into gCGIDataInA[tKey]
end repeat
  end if
end _cgiGetInput


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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[Robert Brenstein]

On 21.10.10 at 12:19 -0700 Scott Rossi apparently wrote:


AFAIK, there's no way to do this.  I could have sworn screen locking used to
affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it
affects all stacks.  You might consider throwing up a text message "One
moment please..." while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any
way to have just a portion of the screen locked.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


Instead of locking the screen, one can go to an empty card which has 
only a progress indicator and/or whatever message, do the cleanup 
remotely, then switch to the destination card.


Robert
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Scott Rossi]

For myself, I'm not sure enough details are available to really know whether
this is a good thing or not.  I would agree that first impression seems kind
of questionable.  Apple controlling everything seems undesirable.

On the other hand, my little iPad game is currently being featured under the
New and Noteworthy section of the Games section in the App Store.

I'm torn: do I cheer Apple on or throw tomatoes at them? :-)

(Thanks again to everyone for their support -- very much appreciated.)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
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Re: On-Rev File Browser Upload Dialog

[Matthias Rebbe]

Richard,

i see in your example that you are submitting the form to mydropbox.cgi. Is 
this cgi made in rev?
and if so, would you share it?

Regards,

Matthias
Am 21.10.2010 um 18:07 schrieb Richard Gaskin:
> 
>  method="post">
> Send this file:
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[Mark Wieder]

Jacque-

Thursday, October 21, 2010, 4:19:59 PM, you wrote:

> Tab on return (i.e., autoTab) only happens when you are on the last line
> of the field. So in a 3-line field, a return key will only tab to the
> next field if the cursor is on line 3, otherwise it inserts a carriage
> return. Scrolling fields have no "last" line, they are infinite, so 
> autoTab never triggers on those.

I realize this probably makes sense, but I had to read it three times
before I could parse it.

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Pierre Sahores]

Nothing to add :-/

Best,

Pierre

Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:27, Richard Gaskin a écrit :

> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites?
> 
> 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Pierre Sahores]

Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:58, Andre Garzia a écrit :

> It is the Year Of Penguins in the Neo-Chinese calendar, the year we'll set
> our computers free from the bad quality of windows and the ungrokkable mood
> swings of Steve Jobs of Sith... now, let me install ubuntu again after
> buying my iphone 4...
> 
> 
> Jokes aside, I believe they would not be so drastic since this would
> probably trigger an anti-competitive investigation or anti-trust stuff but
> this does not matter because in the mind of the consumer, the app store will
> be the place to be.
> 
> I am quite afraid of the future... :-/

You are not alone in this case...

Best,

Pierre

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Re: revServer installation issues

[Pierre Sahores]

Boa tarde Andre,

I will report how it goes on my snowleo dev box / MBP i7 apple toy tomorrow 
evening.

> Bonjour Pierre,
> 
> You need to check the following pieces:
> 
> 1) Make sure AllowOverride is set to All on both CGI-Executables and
> Documents
> 
> 2) Make sure your documents .htaccess include:
>  Options ExecCGI
>  AddHandler irev-script .irev
>  Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver
> 
> Make sure the path "/cgi-bin/revserver" points to the RevServer engine. If
> you simply put the whole RevServer folder on CGI-Executables, that reference
> might be "/cgi-bin/revserver/revserver"
> 
> 3) Now, I am not sure of this one, but I've added it here. On my .htaccess
> file for the CGI-Executables folder, I have an "Options ExecCGI"
> 
> RevServer and it's files are set to 755 and are owned by "soapdog:admin". I
> don't think the files will run if owned by root. Too dangerous.

All irev scripts stored inside the cgi-bin directory should work as 644 as it 
does on the on-rev server, is't ?
> 
> Pierre, did you actually used the little webserver that I've sent you? Did
> it work for you?

Nope ;-/ as i'm mainly developing linux hosted n-tier apps with 50% via PHP+Rev 
Stacks apps and 50% via On-Rev (more to say about this part in the near...).

Kind Regards,

Pierre
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Pierre Sahores  wrote:
> 
>> Amazing you are , Doctor Andre "Holmes" Garcia ! Thanks 1000 times for this
>> too ;-)
>> 
>> RevServer should now work just fine, is't ? Will test tomorrow on SnowLeo
>> and report the confirmation.
>> 
>> Thanks again, Andre !
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> 
>> Pierre
>> 
>> Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:26, Andre Garzia a écrit :
>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> 
>>> This is FIXED!!
>>> 
>>> Damn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this
>> comes
>>> set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.
>>> 
>>> You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
>>> .htaccess files and they will work.
>>> 
>>> Just did it here.
>>> 
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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/21/10 6:10 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Well this is interesting: Even if a scrolling field has tab on return
set, it inserts a cr when you hit return. On a regular field it tabs.
So what property visible from the property inspector corresponds to
this behavior? Obviously not the tab on return!


Tab on return (i.e., autoTab) only happens when you are on the last line 
of the field. So in a 3-line field, a return key will only tab to the 
next field if the cursor is on line 3, otherwise it inserts a carriage 
return. Scrolling fields have no "last" line, they are infinite, so 
autoTab never triggers on those.


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Re: External newbie question

[François Chaplais]

Le 22 oct. 2010 à 00:09, Andre Garzia a écrit :

> Bonjour François,
> 
> Je ne parle pas français so I will answer in english :-)
> 
> You can't use Externals with LiveCode for iOS (AKA RevMobile). If you're not
> trying to do stuff with iPhone but are actually just trying to use the XCode
> that was bundled, then make sure you have the SDKs for Mac OS X installed
> because I don't think they come bundled with the iOS SDK.
> 
> You can fetch ExternalEnvironmentV3 from:
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Chipp Walters]

Nice article, Lynn.

One thing it made me think of, is the incredible role the Internet has played 
in software business development models. Previous to the Internet, the software 
"Kingmakers" consisted primarily of the MacWorlds, MacUsers, etc. and companies 
with deep enough pockets to advertise with them, and they together controlled 
the public perception of what software was "good to buy."

Then the Internet came and almost immediately allowed for the small, single-man 
developer to access thousands of independent minded customers by simply putting 
a page on the web. Once they sold a few copies, they were able to build a bit 
larger company and start to focus directly on new features and products through 
customer feedback. This same channel became their target market, and it 
succeeded mostly due to the immediate nature of direct marketing. 

Heck, I first purchased TechSmith's SnagIt years ago, then Camtasia soon after 
it launched. I now get an email every so often with an upgrade discount offer I 
can't resist. They receive 100% of the revenue, all for the cost of a single 
email. This won't happen anymore with the new AppStore.

I don't suspect any of these developers will be happy UNLESS they can continue 
selling their products through traditional channels AS WELL as the Mac 
AppStore-- AND receive the customer registration information from the AppStore 
when a sale is made. I'll be surprised if Apple allows for both of these things 
to happen.

I believe Apple is trying an end run stategy to bypass the Internet, and become 
the new Kingmaker of software, much like they've been able to do with the music 
industry. I suspect if you could turn back the clocks, many music execs 
would've acted much different before it all started to go Apple's way.

If you want a laugh, check out Richard's recent blog post over at 
LiveCodeJournal.com:
http://livecodejournal.com/blog.irv  

Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:50 PM, "Lynn Fredricks"  
wrote:

> 
> The Mac App Store is a dangerous unknown. Apple doesn't have to rush
> eliminate other alternatives, but instead let the weight of presence in the
> OS and the direction of user opinion (like we saw with the Thoughts on Flash
> debaucle) move it step by step to an exclusive model and ownership of your
> customer relations. Maybe that's not the goal, but the Mac App Store is just
> the sort of tool you could use to accomplish that.
> 
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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[Bob Sneidar]

Well this is interesting: Even if a scrolling field has tab on return set, it 
inserts a cr when you hit return. On a regular field it tabs. So what property 
visible from the property inspector corresponds to this behavior? Obviously not 
the tab on return! 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:41 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 10/21/10 5:02 PM, RevList wrote:
> 
>> I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press
>> Tab, it moves on to the next field.
>> I have set the field to be "Tab on Return" so that traps the return key,
>> but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text.
>> In my earlier project it just moves on.
> 
> If the field has no tabstops set, it will act like you want. If it has 
> tabstops, then you get tab characters when you type the tab key.
> 
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Re: (no subject)

[Bob Sneidar]

I modified the url in the reply so no one who clicked on it would get to a bad 
place inadvertently. It may be an ad for Viagra, but who knows what else you 
get driving by? 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:25 PM, René Micout wrote:

> It is a spam (for Viagra !)
> 
> Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:18, Bob Sneidar a écrit :
> 
>> What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is 
>> absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen 
>> before. 
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>>> http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Not to carry on this post forever, but the model of the present iTunes app 
store is small apps that do one thing well that anyone (if approved) can use 
for free, or else pay a fee for commercial use. Enterprise app developers are 
simply not going to go with the model that Apple is presenting, or if they do 
it will be a vastly scaled down model of their software, with the ability to 
upgrade to the full "professional" versions. 

Now Microsoft just announced their own "cloud" based version of Office, but 
it's not going to go through Apple or anyone else. I think a LOT of developers 
would LIKE to move to a cloud based distribution model, for at least one reason 
that by itself is overwhelmingly appealing: No Piracy! So while devs may not go 
with APPLE'S model for reasons already discussed, they might very well go for 
another model. 

The real question is who's cloud are the devs going to pluck their harps on? I 
think we are seeing the beginning of what some predicted a long time ago, that 
is cloud based computing, and I don't like it one bit. I do NOT want to 
"license" software for use and pay a fee each year to support the 
infrastructure because all developers decided this was the model that benefited 
THEM most. I want to pay my money, and then be done with the developer. That is 
clearly NOT what developers want though. Presently, it's a storm wave model, 
lots of flow out the gate, and then they get washed up on the sand unless they 
can catch another wave. What they want is a deep flowing river model, only the 
river is not flowing with water but cash. 

This is a very bad trend (for consumers), which I think Apple saw coming too 
and decided to get out in front of. Don't focus on Apple, this is much bigger 
than one corporation. I think fostering consumer awareness about what 
developers intend is the strategy to combat this sort of thing. If people think 
they are going to have to pay a regular fee to continue to use their computers, 
they will revolt. And it has to happen soon, because once a lot of developers 
get into the cloud, they are not coming back out of it for ANYTHING. 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> >> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our
> >> software sites?
> >>
> >> 
> >
> > Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that!
> 
> Hard to say.
> 
> After all, it's just looking out for the user, providing as much "security" 
> and "safety" as they can.
> 
> Remember that iPhone users report that they like having that sort of 
> "stewardship", and many believe that being able to choose their own software 
> from their own download sites is completely undesirable.
> 
> --
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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[J. Landman Gay]

On 10/21/10 5:02 PM, RevList wrote:


I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press
Tab, it moves on to the next field.
I have set the field to be "Tab on Return" so that traps the return key,
but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text.
In my earlier project it just moves on.


If the field has no tabstops set, it will act like you want. If it has 
tabstops, then you get tab characters when you type the tab key.


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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[Devin Asay]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:02 PM, RevList wrote:

> Craig Newman on October 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM -0700 wrote:
>> You could trap the "tabKey" message.
> 
> There has to be something else.  I am looking at an earlier project that I
> developed and I have a field that when I press TAB, I am moved on to the
> next field, just as if I had pressed Return.
> I see no trapping of the TabKey in that project.
> 
> What am I missing? Or what should I look for.
> I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press
> Tab, it moves on to the next field.
> I have set the field to be "Tab on Return" so that traps the return key,
> but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text.
> In my earlier project it just moves on.
> Help :)

Is traversalOn set to true for the fields?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Franklin Audio 1.1 Released, Frankin 3D 1.7.1 Followed

[Lynn Fredricks]

Hello all,

Yes, the numbering is strange, given Franklin Audio 1.1 is the initial
release. These externals utilize libraries underneath and we want to start
out by matching the Franklin release with the library release.

Franklin Audio 1.1 is our multi-channel audio plugin. With this plugin, you
go beyond simple stereo (panning) and straight to 3d space based audio,
allowing you to buffer and play back multiple audio sources simultaneously,
each of which can be played, looped, paused and more, independently. A last
minute addition (with a slightly green example) is audio capturing.

Franklin 3D 1.7.1 is our major fix update to the initial Franklin 1.0
release we made in 2009. I wont go into detail what's included, as it really
doesn't have a flock of new features, just a huge number of engine fixes. If
you got your copy of Franklin 3D 1.0 from the megabundle 2009 era, you
should install this.

Franklin Audio 1.1 will remain on sale until November 1, 2010 -
approximately 50% off. On sale, single platforms are $39, both $69.

Everything about both products can be found here: http://www.franklin3d.com

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
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Re: (no subject)

[René Micout]

It is a spam (for Viagra !)

Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:18, Bob Sneidar a écrit :

> What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is 
> absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen 
> before. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme
>> 
>> 
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Re: put ""

[Andre Garzia]

I am not sure about that name=FileX[]

but file uploading require more than that. It requires:

action="POST" and enctype="multipart/form-data" on the form tag.

After that you will need a MIME enclosure decoder to extract the file out of
the MIME envelope that is sent to you by the browser.

You can see a really good one at
http://troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=upload.irev by
Sarah Reichelt.



On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Rick Harrison
wrote:

> This line allows one to search their hard-drive
> for a file to upload to a server.
>
> Now I just need the magic code to process and
> submit the information for the upload to the On-Rev
> server.
>
> Anyone have experience using this method?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
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Re: revServer installation issues

[Andre Garzia]

Bonjour Pierre,

You need to check the following pieces:

1) Make sure AllowOverride is set to All on both CGI-Executables and
Documents

2) Make sure your documents .htaccess include:
  Options ExecCGI
  AddHandler irev-script .irev
  Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver

Make sure the path "/cgi-bin/revserver" points to the RevServer engine. If
you simply put the whole RevServer folder on CGI-Executables, that reference
might be "/cgi-bin/revserver/revserver"

3) Now, I am not sure of this one, but I've added it here. On my .htaccess
file for the CGI-Executables folder, I have an "Options ExecCGI"

RevServer and it's files are set to 755 and are owned by "soapdog:admin". I
don't think the files will run if owned by root. Too dangerous.

Pierre, did you actually used the little webserver that I've sent you? Did
it work for you?


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Pierre Sahores  wrote:

> Amazing you are , Doctor Andre "Holmes" Garcia ! Thanks 1000 times for this
> too ;-)
>
> RevServer should now work just fine, is't ? Will test tomorrow on SnowLeo
> and report the confirmation.
>
> Thanks again, Andre !
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Pierre
>
> Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:26, Andre Garzia a écrit :
>
> > Folks,
> >
> > This is FIXED!!
> >
> > Damn
> >
> >
> > Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this
> comes
> > set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.
> >
> > You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
> > .htaccess files and they will work.
> >
> > Just did it here.
> >
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

>> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our
>> software sites?
>>
>> 
>
> Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that!

Hard to say.

After all, it's just looking out for the user, providing as much 
"security" and "safety" as they can.


Remember that iPhone users report that they like having that sort of 
"stewardship", and many believe that being able to choose their own 
software from their own download sites is completely undesirable.


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Re: revServer installation issues

[Pierre Sahores]

Amazing you are , Doctor Andre "Holmes" Garcia ! Thanks 1000 times for this too 
;-)

RevServer should now work just fine, is't ? Will test tomorrow on SnowLeo and 
report the confirmation.

Thanks again, Andre !

Kind Regards,

Pierre

Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:26, Andre Garzia a écrit :

> Folks,
> 
> This is FIXED!!
> 
> Damn
> 
> 
> Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes
> set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.
> 
> You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
> .htaccess files and they will work.
> 
> Just did it here.
> 
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Re: External newbie question

[Andre Garzia]

Bonjour François,

Je ne parle pas français so I will answer in english :-)

You can't use Externals with LiveCode for iOS (AKA RevMobile). If you're not
trying to do stuff with iPhone but are actually just trying to use the XCode
that was bundled, then make sure you have the SDKs for Mac OS X installed
because I don't think they come bundled with the iOS SDK.

You can fetch ExternalEnvironmentV3 from:
http://developer.runrev.com/externals/ExternalsEnvironmentV3.zip

:-D



2010/10/21 François Chaplais 

> I have download the latest (v3?) externals lesson from runrev, and after
> having installed the iPhone dev toolkit (which included XCode), I have
> compiled the *solution* provided by runrev (op. sys. was Leopard).
> Everything worked fine, the stack was launched, but the external could not
> be called from script. This was with revStudio v. 4.0. There has been a
> thread on the list about plugins location. Could this be related? Do I have
> to put the external's stack in a special place?
>
> I have another question (which is unrelated but also concerns externals).
> There is a huge library of fortran sources at netlib
> http://www.netlib.org/ that is devoted to scientific computation. In
> theory, it is possible to put a fortran compiler into XCode, but as far I
> know, the parameters are not handled the same way in C and in Fortran
> (refetrence v.s. value). Can we get around this by using the @ keyword in
> the transcript calling code?
>
> Thanks in advance for your kind answers.
>
> Best,
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google 
> lawsuit (hint: it revolves around Java ownership and its 
> impact on android) 
> http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill
> -googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/
> A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not 
> like google. However, his perspective is intellectually 
> stimulating (well, at least for me) Best
>   François

Yes, very interesting. At Paradigma, this is often a topic of conversation
because Sun's business is a trio of technologies: 

- Solaris
- Java
- MySQL

My understanding is that Oracle has made very serious investments in Java
based tools and Linux. They definitely do have some plans for Solaris - even
as they've shut down any work on Open Solaris - but I think both that and
MySQL are not the reason why Oracle purchased Sun. Oracle has a real enemy
in IBM, and IBM was also making offers on Sun. If IBM got ahold of Java,
they could make Oracle really suffer.

Best regards,

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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[RevList]

Craig Newman on October 21, 2010 at 1:45 PM -0700 wrote:
>You could trap the "tabKey" message.

There has to be something else.  I am looking at an earlier project that I
developed and I have a field that when I press TAB, I am moved on to the
next field, just as if I had pressed Return.
I see no trapping of the TabKey in that project.

What am I missing? Or what should I look for.
I want to have fields that have one line of entry only and when you press
Tab, it moves on to the next field.
I have set the field to be "Tab on Return" so that traps the return key,
but pressing TAB, adds a tab to text.
In my earlier project it just moves on.
Help :)

Stewart

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Andre Garzia]

It is the Year Of Penguins in the Neo-Chinese calendar, the year we'll set
our computers free from the bad quality of windows and the ungrokkable mood
swings of Steve Jobs of Sith... now, let me install ubuntu again after
buying my iphone 4...


Jokes aside, I believe they would not be so drastic since this would
probably trigger an anti-competitive investigation or anti-trust stuff but
this does not matter because in the mind of the consumer, the app store will
be the place to be.

I am quite afraid of the future... :-/
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that!

The lack of porn? ;-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Proactive International, LLC

- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
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Re: XMLRPC question

[Bob Sneidar]

So THAT'S why I can't figure them out! I quit smoking hash a long time ago! And 
do they really make tables specifically for smoking hash?? Something's not 
right. It may be me. 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but
> hash tables.

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Oh heck, no one is gonna put up with that!

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:50 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our 
>> software sites?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Hilarious, Richard :-)
> 
> But you forgot one thing.
> 
> "...not containing viruses or porn."
> 
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> 
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Re: XMLRPC question

[Mark Wieder]

Leland-

Welcome to the list. In addition to what Andre's already posted,

It's certainly possible in perl to create some densely terse routines,
so I think the claim of "less coding" is quite relative, and depends
somewhat on what libraries you already have available to you. From
your perl snippets it looks like you're dealing with web services on a
remote server. In that case the library I put on revOnline may be of
some help to you: libSOAP. I've tried to encapsulate some of the
complexities of dealing with XMLRPC in an easy (easier) to use and
more rev^H^H^Hlivecode-friendly format. Your phrase "relatively
straightforward" again is in the eye of the beholder, but hopefully
this may give you something to start with.

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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our 
> software sites?
> 
> 

Hilarious, Richard :-)

But you forgot one thing.

"...not containing viruses or porn."

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Andre Garzia]

I am going to create my own software store and will lock steve out of it!

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Richard Gaskin
wrote:

> Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites?
>
> 
>
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Re: XMLRPC question

[Andre Garzia]

Hello There Leland,

Be welcome. Are you calling Userland Frontier server with that XML-RPC code?

Well, let my curiosity be put aside and let us get back to business. Our
XML-RPC library is barebones, it works but it is basically some convenient
methods wrapping our XML generation library. Mind you that some time ago,
LiveCode (then known as Revolution) had no multidimensional arrays, so
building structs and more complex objects was not trivial since we could not
match them to some of our data types.

Now LiveCode has multidimensional arrays which are not actually arrays but
hash tables. So we could map back and forth complex structs/arrays with ease
but no one bothered to write those routines. I bet people here have their
own home cooked solution.

I built in dozens of lines a routine to pick an array (LiveCode one) and
build a struct out of it. Works well and is used internally for testing on
the company I work for. I haven't build the reverse routine to pick from
XML-RPC response and decode it back to something addressable.

Mind you that building that routine is not actually difficult, it is just
tedious and error prone but it is simple. These days I am somewhat busy but
as soon as I have free time, I will address this problem. In the mean while,
I suggest that you use a combination of XML-RPC and XML routines to extract
your data. You can make it generic enough so that you can feed it any
XML-RPC response and get an array back, the trick is the iteration routine
to recursively extract arrays and structs from inside arrays and structs.

So making a summary, right now, you don't have fancy routines for making an
XML-RPC a nice object if the response contains complex structures but you
have helper XML and XML-RPC methods that make building such function an
approachable task that can be finished in couple hours.

sorry for not being more helpful right now.

andre
PS: I am somewhat disornganized with my projects, there might be the case
that I've built this function in the past and forgot about it. Will check
out.
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[charles61]

Bob,

I think that is a great idea! Maybe Scott will see this and create one.

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 21, 2010, at 4:15 PM, Bob Sneidar-2 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

> Here's a question: Would a window created by an external still update while 
> the screen is locked? If so, then I think we need a progress bar external. 
> Scott made some really nice controls a while back. How about if Scott made a 
> standalone that could be called from Runtime Rev as an external. Is that even 
> possible? Otherwise, a real compiled c++ or java external would have to be 
> made. I bet a lot of people here on the list would pay for that. I know I 
> would! I cannot code in c++ or java so I cannot do it. 
> 
> Bob 
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:14 PM, charles61 wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear 
> > fields, 
> > reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. 
> > During 
> > this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during 
> > this 
> > process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the 
> > screen 
> > is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is 
> > locked? 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Is the the future of what our customers will see at our software sites?



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Re: XMLRPC question

[J. Landman Gay]

Glad to see you here, Leland.

I hope somebody will address this, since I sent you here. :) Come on 
guys, I bragged about you.



On 10/21/10 11:29 AM, Leland Vandervort wrote:


Hi All,

Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
on the mailing list ‹ having just joined the list at the suggestion of
runrev support.

I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
information, but have drawn blanks.

Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
forums.

Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.

Regards,

Leland

--


From the forums:


I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
been able to find.  To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
to do that.

Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I can
work.

Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as "less coding, and more
productive", I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things that
I'm trying to do here.

For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
provider, and the current data concerning those machines.  (using the
Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:

--- code ---
# other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
my %vms ;   #empty hash to store the details of my VMs

# login to rpc server
my $rpc = Frontier::Client->new( url =>  $server_url );
my $key = $rpc->call('login',$username,$password);

# got my key now start calling various methods...
my $vm_list = $rpc->call('vm.list',$key);

# now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
local hash for manipulation
foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
 my $vm_info = $rpc->call('vm_info',$key,$vm->{id});
 # store the data in my %vms hash
 $vms{$vm_info->{id}} = $vm_info ;
}
$rpc->close();

# now I can do whatever I like with the data...
# like iterate through the list and display some useful data...

foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
   print "VM ID:  $vms{$vm}->{id}  --  Hostname:  $vms{$vm}->{hostname}  --
State:  $vms{$vm}->{state}\n";

   # get a list of interfaces in the VM:
   print "Interface List...\n";

   foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}->{ifaces}}) {
   print "Interface ID:  $if->{id} -- Speed: $if->{bandwidth} -- Status:
$if->{state}\n";
   }
}
--- end code ---


I can't seem to find a "reasonable" way to do this in livecode/revolution
with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
net...


Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!

Regards,

L.

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Re: revServer installation issues

[Andre Garzia]

Folks,

This is FIXED!!

Damn


Phil, check out your http.conf for AllowOverride None. By default this comes
set for the documents folder and for the cgi-bin folder.

You need to change it to "AllowOverride All" and then you can place your
.htaccess files and they will work.

Just did it here.

Andre
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[François Chaplais]

A very interesting blog post about the Oracle v.s. Google lawsuit (hint: it 
revolves around Java ownership and its impact on android)
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/08/14/how-oracle-might-kill-googles-android-and-software-patents-all-at-once/
A word of warning: the author is an Apple fanboy and does not like google. 
However, his perspective is intellectually stimulating (well, at least for me)
Best
François
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 23:05, Lynn Fredricks a écrit :

>> This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be 
>> maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future 
>> versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 
>> 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue 
>> to be supported and maintained through the standard support 
>> cycles of those products.
> 
> I suspect this is another tremor caused in part by a change in ownership of
> Java.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Proactive International, LLC
> 
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[Pierre Sahores]

Else, instead of locking the screen, why don't you just hide the working window 
and popup a new stack containing your progress bar ?

Best,

Pierre

Le 21 oct. 2010 à 21:19, Scott Rossi a écrit :

> Recently, charles61 wrote:
> 
>> I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields,
>> reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During
>> this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this
>> process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen
>> is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked?
> 
> AFAIK, there's no way to do this.  I could have sworn screen locking used to
> affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it
> affects all stacks.  You might consider throwing up a text message "One
> moment please..." while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any
> way to have just a portion of the screen locked.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[François Chaplais]

For your interest, the TUAW blog post some early reactions from developers to 
the coming of the Mac App store:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/21/developer-reactions-to-the-mac-app-store/
Much shorter, and authored by a pioneer of iPhone jailbreaking (that is, before 
there was an SDK and an App store), TUAW's own Erica Sadun:
http://www.tuaw.com/2010/10/20/why-the-mac-app-store-rocks-for-developers/
The comparison  of numbers is staggering.
Best,
François
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:49, Chipp Walters a écrit :

> Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves 
> around Apple and what they will do.
> 
> Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, "Netbooks aren't 
> better than anything, they're just cheap laptops" and yesterday he announces 
> Apple's first netbook. 
> 
> Also from a popular Gadget blog: 
> 
> "The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day 
> he trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing 
> ever. That something being THEIR thing." 
> 
> Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not 
> too distant future saying,
> 
> "Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing 
> their software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, 
> we think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their 
> software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your 
> own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we 
> cannot be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the 
> hardware. Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an 
> App for That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in 
> the AppStore!"
> 
> Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the 
> developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations 
> to continue to promote their wares.
> 
> 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic.  alternatives 
>> will just fade away.
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be 
> maintained at the same level, and may be removed from future 
> versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime shipping in Mac OS X 
> 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will continue 
> to be supported and maintained through the standard support 
> cycles of those products.

I suspect this is another tremor caused in part by a change in ownership of
Java.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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- Because it is about who you know.(tm)
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Your analogy would work only if Apple had announced that if you bought another 
netbook other than an Apple netbook, it would void your iPad warranty. Hmmm... 
seems a little overstated, don't you think? Apple is of course, looking out for 
their own interests. Shafting the vast majority of app developers for the Mac 
is NOT in their best interests. There is no scenario I can envision, by which 
Apple would try to force development for their high end products into a closed 
system that only they had access to. It would be corporate suicide, and Steve, 
whatever else you think of him, is simply not that stupid. 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:49 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves 
> around Apple and what they will do.
> 
> Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, "Netbooks aren't 
> better than anything, they're just cheap laptops" and yesterday he announces 
> Apple's first netbook. 
> 
> Also from a popular Gadget blog: 
> 
> "The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day 
> he trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing 
> ever. That something being THEIR thing." 
> 
> Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not 
> too distant future saying,
> 
> "Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing 
> their software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, 
> we think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their 
> software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your 
> own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we 
> cannot be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the 
> hardware. Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an 
> App for That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in 
> the AppStore!"
> 
> Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the 
> developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations 
> to continue to promote their wares.
> 
> 
> Chipp Walters
> CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:
> 
>> Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic.  alternatives 
>> will just fade away.
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External newbie question

[François Chaplais]

I have download the latest (v3?) externals lesson from runrev, and after having 
installed the iPhone dev toolkit (which included XCode), I have compiled the 
*solution* provided by runrev (op. sys. was Leopard). Everything worked fine, 
the stack was launched, but the external could not be called from script. This 
was with revStudio v. 4.0. There has been a thread on the list about plugins 
location. Could this be related? Do I have to put the external's stack in a 
special place?

I have another question (which is unrelated but also concerns externals). There 
is a huge library of fortran sources at netlib http://www.netlib.org/ that is 
devoted to scientific computation. In theory, it is possible to put a fortran 
compiler into XCode, but as far I know, the parameters are not handled the same 
way in C and in Fortran (refetrence v.s. value). Can we get around this by 
using the @ keyword in the transcript calling code?

Thanks in advance for your kind answers.

Best,
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> > As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages 
> that display 
> > statistical data of your sales.
> 
> How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone 
> who calls is actually eligible for technical support?

Most software developers I work with have this to think about, plus the
entire upgrade / upsell chain which requires that you know who your
customers are - the exact data that Apple relies on for its own business.

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Chipp Walters]

Apocalyptic? Not sure that's the right word, unless one's world revolves around 
Apple and what they will do.

Consider it was mere months ago when Steve told us all, "Netbooks aren't better 
than anything, they're just cheap laptops" and yesterday he announces Apple's 
first netbook. 

Also from a popular Gadget blog: 

"The same happened with video iPods and smartphones and tablets too. One day he 
trashes something... And the next day, that something is the best thing ever. 
That something being THEIR thing." 

Seriously, is it too far a stretch to picture Jobs on the stage in the not too 
distant future saying,

"Our customers tell us what a great and safe experience it is purchasing their 
software from the Mac AppStore. And now with over 1 million apps there, we 
think it's a great idea for everyone to use the AppStore to manage their 
software collections. Of course, if you really want to, you can install your 
own unapproved apps, but you should know it now voids our warranty as we cannot 
be responsible anymore for the safety of the Operating System or the hardware. 
Besides, you should always know that in our AppStore, 'There's an App for 
That!' Thanks for all the fantastic support on this and see you in the 
AppStore!"

Maybe Apocalyptic is the right word describing the experience-- for the 
developers. Especially the ones who depend on their direct customer relations 
to continue to promote their wares.


Chipp Walters
CEO, Shafer Walters Group, Inc

On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Bob Sneidar  wrote:

> Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic.  alternatives will 
> just fade away.
>> 
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RE: [OT] Mac App Store

[Lynn Fredricks]

> Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this 
> will be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going 
> to pull that off?? They would have to abolish all I/O ports 
> for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this really 
> where we think Apple is going to go? 
> 
> I rather see this as a way that developers will be able to 
> deliver apps made for devices like the iPad to the desktop 
> too. Not a way for Apple to try to force everyone to sell 
> apps through the iStore, which of course everyone can see 
> would kill Apple development of enterprise apps. 

I don't want to polute people with more than they want to read, but Ive
posted my initial feelings here:

http://www.lynnfredricks.com/2010/10/21/mac-app-store-as-an-dangerous-unknow
n/

The Mac App Store is a dangerous unknown. Apple doesn't have to rush
eliminate other alternatives, but instead let the weight of presence in the
OS and the direction of user opinion (like we saw with the Thoughts on Flash
debaucle) move it step by step to an exclusive model and ownership of your
customer relations. Maybe that's not the goal, but the Mac App Store is just
the sort of tool you could use to accomplish that.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
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Re: Tabbing out of a text field

[DunbarX]

You could trap the "tabKey" message.

Craig Newman
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Tabbing out of a text field

[RevList]

I am having a bit of a brain fart.
How do I set a text field so that when I press the TAB key, it tabs to the
next field rather than adding a Tab character to the text field?

Thanks in advance

Stewart

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Malte Brill]

Hi Francois:

From the releasenotes to said update:

> Java Deprecation
> 
> As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the version of Java 
> that is ported by Apple, and that ships with Mac OS X, is deprecated.
> 
> This means that the Apple-produced runtime will not be maintained at the same 
> level, and may be removed from future versions of Mac OS X. The Java runtime 
> shipping in Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard, will 
> continue to be supported and maintained through the standard support cycles 
> of those products.
> 
Cheers,

Malte

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Re: (no subject)

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:


What in the world is this?


Our first spambot.

Already blocked by the ISP (t35.com -- good work).

Looks like we're officially in the big time now. :)

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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Forgive me, but this view of the future seems apocalyptic. I never read any of 
this in the book of Revelation. (WHOOPS! Reference to religion!!!) heh heh j/k

"You might be right, but it all hinges on whether or not I presently agree with 
you." 
Quote from the book of Me

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Bob Sneidar wrote:
> 
> > Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will
> > be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac?
> 
> Not currently.  In fact, Mr. Jobs went out of his way to note that it won't 
> be the only way to get apps.
> 
> But once traction gets hold and the marketing machine ramps up, it'll be 
> clearly known as the only SAFE place to get apps, the only APPROVED place to 
> get apps, the only DESIRABLE place to get apps.
> 
> After that meme takes hold, it won't need to be mandatory.  Other 
> alternatives will just fade away.
> 
> Buying apps from a web site, which has been just fine as the conduit between 
> loyal Mac users and loyal Max developers for more than a decade, will be seen 
> as some sort of ghetto experience.
> 
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Re: (no subject)

[François Chaplais]

garbage in, garbage out. This mail has gone directly to the Trash. However, I 
am sure the list mom will be interested by this post.
Best
François
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:18, Bob Sneidar a écrit :

> What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is 
> absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen 
> before. 
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme
>> 
>> 
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Re: (no subject)

[Richmond]

On 10/21/2010 11:18 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is 
absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen 
before.

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, thebilltay...@yahoo.com wrote:


http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme



Those of us who live in the Linux world are not quite so frightened of 
this sort of thing.


However that is a dud link and states "The site in question was 
violating our TOS"


obviously something to do with tossers . . .  :)
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[François Chaplais]

Not really; there was an update to Java for mac OS 10.6 that was released today 
or yesterday
the link to the french page is here: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL972?viewlocale=fr_FR
Not that I am a java expert, I have never used it to my knowledge. But, well, I 
do the updating...
Best,
François
Le 21 oct. 2010 à 22:04, Malte Brill a écrit :

>> I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes 
>> well
>> for rev. 
> 
> I think that might be because Java for Mac is deprecated now. As far as I 
> read, Apple will no longer deliver the VM with Mac OsX (Desktop edition) but 
> only with OsX Server.
> 
> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#/apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2
> 
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Re: (no subject)

[Bob Sneidar]

What in the world is this? I am afraid to click on a link when there is 
absolutely no explanation about what it is from an address I have never seen 
before. 

Bob


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> http://reguqaru.t35.com/don'tclickme
> 
> 
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[Bob Sneidar]

Here's a question: Would a window created by an external still update while the 
screen is locked? If so, then I think we need a progress bar external. Scott 
made some really nice controls a while back. How about if Scott made a 
standalone that could be called from Runtime Rev as an external. Is that even 
possible? Otherwise, a real compiled c++ or java external would have to be 
made. I bet a lot of people here on the list would pay for that. I know I 
would! I cannot code in c++ or java so I cannot do it. 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:14 PM, charles61 wrote:

> 
> I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields,
> reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During
> this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this
> process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen
> is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked?
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Malte Brill]

> I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well
> for rev. 

I think that might be because Java for Mac is deprecated now. As far as I read, 
Apple will no longer deliver the VM with Mac OsX (Desktop edition) but only 
with OsX Server.

http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#releasenotes/Java/JavaSnowLeopardUpdate3LeopardUpdate8RN/NewandNoteworthy/NewandNoteworthy.html#/apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40010380-CH4-DontLinkElementID_2



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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 85, Issue 44

[Vokey, John]

On 2010-10-21, at 1:34 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Regardless of the method of acquiring, the data has to be put in RAM for any
> kind of manipulation, including cropping or resizing.
> 
> sqb

Of course, but that is not the issue: it is *only* the crop command that fails 
on file-sourced image objects.  For example, if you create an image object and 
use the paint tools to create an image, it can be cropped with the crop 
command, but if the image object is sourced to a file, the crop command returns 
an error.
> 
> On 21 October 2010 11:11, Vokey, John  wrote:
> 
>> LiveCode graphics gurus:
>> I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of
>> manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common
>> standard, and then crops them to a fixed size.  The code is simple, except
>> apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects.  How
>> do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command?
>> --
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>> See 
>> 
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(no subject)

[thebilltaylor]

http://reguqaru.t35.com/


  
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[stephen barncard]

I think Java "apps" are not self-contained and require a separate runtime on
the machine.

On 21 October 2010 11:44, Chipp Walters  wrote:

> I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes
> well for Rev.
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:
>
> >  I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok.
> >
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will
> be the ONLY WAY to get apps for Mac?

Not currently.  In fact, Mr. Jobs went out of his way to note that it 
won't be the only way to get apps.


But once traction gets hold and the marketing machine ramps up, it'll be 
clearly known as the only SAFE place to get apps, the only APPROVED 
place to get apps, the only DESIRABLE place to get apps.


After that meme takes hold, it won't need to be mandatory.  Other 
alternatives will just fade away.


Buying apps from a web site, which has been just fine as the conduit 
between loyal Mac users and loyal Max developers for more than a decade, 
will be seen as some sort of ghetto experience.


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Re: crop command

[BNig]

John,
if you have a file based image you have to "detach" it from the file.
The way I do it is to issue

-
 set the imageData of image "myImage" to the imageData of image "myImage"
-

though it might seem paradoxical it effectively makes it a Rev image that
you can crop etc.

Of course you would then have to store the path and save the image
afterwards.

Or you could use 

--
import paint from file "pathToImage"
---

this would not be tied to the original as in 

-
set the filename of image "myImage" to "pathToMyImage"
-

regards
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Re: crop command

[stephen barncard]

Regardless of the method of acquiring, the data has to be put in RAM for any
kind of manipulation, including cropping or resizing.

sqb

On 21 October 2010 11:11, Vokey, John  wrote:

> LiveCode graphics gurus:
>  I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of
> manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common
> standard, and then crops them to a fixed size.  The code is simple, except
> apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects.  How
> do I manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command?
> --
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> See 
>
>
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[charles61]

Scott,

That is a good idea! It seems easy to do and would serve the same purpose. 
Thanks very much!  

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Scott Rossi [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

> Recently, charles61 wrote: 
> 
> > I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear 
> > fields, 
> > reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. 
> > During 
> > this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during 
> > this 
> > process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the 
> > screen 
> > is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is 
> > locked? 
> 
> AFAIK, there's no way to do this.  I could have sworn screen locking used to 
> affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it 
> affects all stacks.  You might consider throwing up a text message "One 
> moment please..." while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any 
> way to have just a portion of the screen locked. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Scott Rossi 
> Creative Director 
> Tactile Media, UX Design 
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Re: XMLRPC question

[stephen barncard]

Welcome to the list, Leland.

I don't know the exact differences, but Key Ray has created an alternative
library for XML in Revolution - many users say it's a better implementation.

http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

sqb


On 21 October 2010 09:29, Leland Vandervort  wrote:

>
> Hi All,
>
> Apologies in advance if something along these lines has already been raised
> on the mailing list ‹ having just joined the list at the suggestion of
> runrev support.
>
> I did try via the forums and looking around the wider net for some
> information, but have drawn blanks.
>
> Please see below the cruxt of the question/problem that I posted to the
> forums.
>
> Thanks in advance for any guidance, advice, pointers, etc.
>
> Regards,
>
> Leland
>
> --
>
> >From the forums:
>
> I have an application that I'm trying to prototype that makes extensive use
> of XMLRPC, including advanced data structures (such as arrays/array-refs,
> hashes/hashrefs, and even arrays with embedded hashes which themselves may
> contain additional arrays with further embedded hashes etc.)
> I can manage to do just about any manipulation that I need to do for XMLRPC
> in Perl, but I'm finding the revXMLRPC functions to be very cumbersome with
> unclear documentation and almost no working examples available that I've
> been able to find.  To be honest, I'm not even sure of the revXMLRPC
> functions even de-serialise the encapsulated XML data to return standard
> data structures, or if I then have to use additional functions from revXML
> to do that.
>
> Perl, of course, contains a number of various libraries to work with XMLRPC
> and simply deserialises the data to return a data structure with which I
> can
> work.
>
> Given that LiveCode/Revolution is toted as "less coding, and more
> productive", I'm at a loss to find an equivalent to the types of things
> that
> I'm trying to do here.
>
> For example, with just a few lines in Perl, I can use (in this example) a
> couple of XMLRPC calls to obtain a list of virtual machines from a cloud
> provider, and the current data concerning those machines.  (using the
> Frontier::RPC library for this) .. example:
>
> --- code ---
> # other stuff snipped here to get to the nitty gritty
> my %vms ;   #empty hash to store the details of my VMs
>
> # login to rpc server
> my $rpc = Frontier::Client->new( url => $server_url );
> my $key = $rpc->call('login',$username,$password);
>
> # got my key now start calling various methods...
> my $vm_list = $rpc->call('vm.list',$key);
>
> # now iterate the vm.list and get the info for each vm and store it into a
> local hash for manipulation
> foreach my $vm (@{$vm_list}) {
> my $vm_info = $rpc->call('vm_info',$key,$vm->{id});
> # store the data in my %vms hash
> $vms{$vm_info->{id}} = $vm_info ;
> }
> $rpc->close();
>
> # now I can do whatever I like with the data...
> # like iterate through the list and display some useful data...
>
> foreach my $vm (keys %vms) {
>   print "VM ID:  $vms{$vm}->{id}  --  Hostname:  $vms{$vm}->{hostname}  --
> State:  $vms{$vm}->{state}\n";
>
>   # get a list of interfaces in the VM:
>   print "Interface List...\n";
>
>   foreach my $if (@{$vms{$vm}->{ifaces}}) {
>   print "Interface ID:  $if->{id} -- Speed: $if->{bandwidth} -- Status:
> $if->{state}\n";
>   }
> }
> --- end code ---
>
>
> I can't seem to find a "reasonable" way to do this in livecode/revolution
> with the limited examples/documentation that I have available (and I have
> hard-copies of the RunRev 4.0 user manual, and the 3.0 dictionaries volumes
> 1 and 2) -- Just wondering if there is a relatively straightforward way of
> accomplishing the equivalent of the above in livecode as I cannot find any
> suitable examples after spending hours searching the forums, and the wider
> net...
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any pointers, tips, or references that may be useful!
>
> Regards,
>
> L.
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[charles61]

Hi Mark!

That is a great idea! But will the screenshot show the progress bar filling up 
or is it just a static screenshot?

Charles Szasz
csz...@mac.com




On Oct 21, 2010, at 3:18 PM, Mark Schonewille-3 [via Runtime Revolution] wrote:

> Hi Charles, 
> 
> No, you can't do this. However, you can show a screenshot of the card with a 
> progress bad on top. 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> Rev-compatible platform. No additional software needed. 
> 
> On 21 okt 2010, at 21:14, charles61 wrote: 
> 
> > 
> > I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear 
> > fields, 
> > reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. 
> > During 
> > this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during 
> > this 
> > process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the 
> > screen 
> > is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is 
> > locked? 
> > -- 
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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, charles61 wrote:

> I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields,
> reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During
> this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this
> process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen
> is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked?

AFAIK, there's no way to do this.  I could have sworn screen locking used to
affect whatever stack was active at the time it was called, but currently it
affects all stacks.  You might consider throwing up a text message "One
moment please..." while the cleanup happens, but I don't believe there's any
way to have just a portion of the screen locked.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: Progress bar with lock?

[Mark Schonewille]

Hi Charles,

No, you can't do this. However, you can show a screenshot of the card with a 
progress bad on top.

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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com
Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer
KvK: 50277553

Download the Installer Maker plugin for Runtime Revolution at http://qurl.tk/ce 
Create installers for Mac and Windows on *every* Rev-compatible platform. No 
additional software needed.

On 21 okt 2010, at 21:14, charles61 wrote:

> 
> I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields,
> reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During
> this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this
> process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen
> is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked?
> -- 


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Progress bar with lock?

[charles61]

I have an app that I am working on that takes a few seconds to clear fields,
reset radio buttons and checkboxes before it goes to the second card. During
this time, the screen is locked. I wanted to show a progress bar during this
process is going on. Is there anyway to show a progress bar while the screen
is locked? Is there a way to fake a progress bar while the screen is locked?
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Mark Talluto]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 11:23 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Scott Rossi wrote:
> 
>> Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> 
 Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my
 product?
>>> 
>>> Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can
>>> answer that?
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display
>> statistical data of your sales.
> 
> How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is 
> actually eligible for technical support?


You could request the user to fill out registration info and have the program 
email or ftp the data to you.  This may be required for free tech support.


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Colin Holgate]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes 
> well for Rev. 

Rev is in Java?



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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Chipp Walters]

I read somewhere that Java apps would NOT be allowed. Not sure that bodes well 
for Rev. 


On Oct 21, 2010, at 1:09 PM, Colin Holgate  wrote:

>  I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok.
> 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>>> Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can
>>> answer that?
>> 
>> As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display
>> statistical data of your sales.
> 
> How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is
> actually eligible for technical support?

I am quite a novice in the whole iApp arena, but barring any methods of
cracking I haven't heard about yet, apps are more or less tied to a device
-- you cannot arbitrarily move apps from one device to another, and you
cannot distribute apps outside the app store (aside from testing and limited
distribution apps).  So "presumably", the someone wanting help legitimately
obtained your app.

Your question does raise another question: what about folks who deliver paid
apps with no restrictions on the devices they can run on?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Scott Rossi wrote:


Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my
product?


Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can
answer that?


As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display
statistical data of your sales.


How would it be possible for a developer to know if someone who calls is 
actually eligible for technical support?


--
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richmond]

On 10/21/2010 09:15 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote:


market it your way

Sure, that's real easy to do.  f]pfff.

Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy.

At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate


MacUpdate is still functioning perfectly OK:

http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/33042/devawriter


were around you had a couple of central places where users would look for apps. 
You could also play the Mac web sites and blogs to get awareness and exposure 
every time you released a new version.

I have a hard time believing that lots of people are drooling at their chances 
of building a competitor store to go against  the AppStore.

sims




Facebook . . . other "social" networking sites . . . ?

Yahoo groups . . .

Specialist academic Blogs and Lists (e.g. I have plugged my Devawriter 
on the Linguist List)


Mail-bombing (e.g. I have written to the head of about 50 Sanskrit 
departments)


YouTube (nothing like a quick movie of your thing strutting its funky stuff)

Twitter

-

The days of being depndent on only 1 or 2 channels of information are 
long gone.


sincerely, Richmond.
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Martin Koob]

Andre Garzia  writes:

> 
> Folks,
> 
> check out: http://www.apple.com/mac/app-store/
> 
> Will our LiveCode apps be featured
> there? So far we do not know since the thing was announced 10 minutes ago,
> but one can only hope!
> 
> Andre
> 

I agree with other comments here that there is a risk that  LiveCode
 Applications may be excluded from the Mac App Store either explicitly 
by a future requirement that only applications developed with XCode 
be included or implicitly by the requirement that a third party 
application's interface elements or behaviours be identical to 
those created by XCode.   

To prevent the second scenario from excluding an application a 
response would be for RunRev to ensure that LiveCode's interface 
elements for Mac OS standalones have feature parity with Mac OS controls. 

This does not prevent the first scenario though.   I wonder if the 
response to a possible requirement for Xcode developed applications 
should be to  establishing a LiveCode App store where Livecode 
Developers could showcase and sell their applications.  This would 
leave you free to use the registration and licencing system,  third 
party installers that you want but still have the advantages offered 
by a congregated application store that would help you market your work.   

Martin Koob


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Re: crop command

[Richmond]

On 10/21/2010 09:11 PM, Vokey, John wrote:

LiveCode graphics gurus:
   I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of 
manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common 
standard, and then crops them to a fixed size.  The code is simple, except 
apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects.  How do I 
manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command?
--
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See



You probably have to import each image into a stack, crop the thing, and 
export it again.


Yup; I know that doesn't really answer your question as you probably 
want to avoid that

import-export dance, however I do think that that is probably unavoidable.
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Jim Sims]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 8:04 PM, Richmond wrote:

> market it your way

Sure, that's real easy to do.  f]pfff.

Good luck in that - getting lots of people to see your product is not easy.

At least when VersionTracker and MacUpdate were around you had a couple of 
central places where users would look for apps. You could also play the Mac web 
sites and blogs to get awareness and exposure every time you released a new 
version.

I have a hard time believing that lots of people are drooling at their chances 
of building a competitor store to go against  the AppStore.

sims





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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richmond]

On 10/21/2010 09:00 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote:


On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will close 
down OSX,

I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can.


I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they 
do this;

sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the price,
running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at no 
price
at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to dictatorial 
control

about what you can and cannot do with the thing!


Maybe.   The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others 
portray a complexity in human nature that may be too 
multidimensional for such rational optimism.


;)

Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic 
Psychology at university too;
several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up to 
a Milgram device

and do things for real . . .  :)


A little-known factoid, even further off-topic: one of Milgram's 
youngest and most vulnerable undergraduate research subjects was 
extremely damaged by Milgram's emotionally abusive experiments. He 
grew up to become...


... the Unibomber.

Karma.

-- Peter




One wonders quite why Stanley Milgram was able to get away with that 
sort of experiment in the

first place?

And just to make things more awkward; one of the topics I had to think 
about as an Undergraduate Philosophy student at Durham in 1983 was 
whether it was ethical to use the published findings of
Dr Mengele's experiments in the Nazi death-camps for future work. What 
is interesting is that
certain biologists and medics did use his findings; their argument being 
that as those results would,
obviously, be unobtainable in today's ethical (??) environment, 
it was acceptable to use them

if they could be used to prevent further human suffering.

Being a "naughty chap" I wrote to a friend of my history teacher, a 
woman who had had experiments
performed on her by Mengele when she was a child (and, unusually, she 
survived) to find out her
opinion. She stated that they should be used as in some tiny way this 
made up for all the suffering

those poor people had to go through.

--

I wonder how Steve Jobs would like to run his focus groups . . .  :)
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crop command

[Vokey, John]

LiveCode graphics gurus:
  I have to process a few thousand photograph files through a simple set of 
manipulations that scales, translates and rotates the images to a common 
standard, and then crops them to a fixed size.  The code is simple, except 
apparently the crop command doesn't work on file-based image objects.  How do I 
manipulate the file-based image to allow for the crop command?
--
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Colin Holgate]

The thing about the Ambrosia apps is that they all need to patch the system in 
order to work. It ought to still be possible to make the apps work in a way 
that on first launch they then do the patch, and maybe require a restart. But 
in general I thing the app store would be geared towards apps that are entirely 
standalone. I think that LiveCode standalones ought to come under that ok.



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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Wait just a daggum minute. I thought that Apple was building advertising into 
the app model. So how are advertisers going to get the information? Are we 
thinking that ads in the iDevices will not be able to link to a website? How 
about a splash screen on your app asking users to register with their email 
address? There has to be ways to get around this. 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:57 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>>> Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my
>>> product?
>> 
>> Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can
>> answer that?
> 
> As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display
> statistical data of your sales.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, UX Design
> 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richmond]

On 10/21/2010 08:51 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns.

   "Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized
   Mac application store,"

With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as 
far as I am concerned, there isn't much left.

Apple is stepping in at the right time - for them.

What concerns me most (in addition to not getting customer information!), is 
the consumer of apps/software will probably be expecting iPhone/iPad prices.

When I read a comment that "$1.99 is way too much" for something some guy 
worked really hard at, I shake my head.

This sort of expectation might be carried over - after all, to the consumer it's just 
like the iTunes store - to the "App Store".  You have to sell an awful lot of 
$1.99 apps to make rent money every month.

sims



Well; $1.99 might be all an "also ran" app is worth; if one does a 
cursory search on MacUpdate one finds
all awful lot of "also rans" and an awful lot of apps that do pretty 
much the same thing; therefore if
everybody charges $1.99 you are in a tight corner if your rent money 
depends on that.


I would suppose that the 'trick' (which is no trick at all) is make an 
app that is unique and fills a niche,

and the charge more than $1.99 for it.

Now if some swack lot, such as Apple, are telling you that you can only 
charge $1.99, they are
skimming the cream off that, and they get their sweaty paws on details 
of all who buy your
'thang' it is time to tell them to "boil their heads" and market it your 
way.


AND, should that mean that, opwing to some sort of "berlin Wall' erected 
by Jobs & Co., you
are unable to push your product for Macintosh; dump Macintosh (only 
about 10-15% of the
market) and push at Windows (a big, big chunk of the market, like it or 
not) and at Linux

(getting bigger, especially if Apple turns into North Korea number 2).

---

Of course, "Loony Richmond" is still whispering 'RISC OS' at the 
non-receptive ears of
RunRev; think about it; RISC OS is, no; IS, about 75% of all embedded 
systems!!!


---

While I'm on a roll: anybody out there with an Iyonix, RISC Station or 
even late-model Archimedes

they will send me for the postage . . . Please ?
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Peter Brigham MD]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:18 PM, Richmond wrote:


On 10/21/2010 05:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

Richmond wrote:


On 10/21/2010 10:27 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
So the problem society has with Apple is not whether it will  
close down OSX,

I think Chipp is right, it will just as soon as it thinks it can.


I think they will end up shooting themselves in the bottom if they  
do this;
sooner or later end-users will work out that a PC for half the  
price,
running some sort of easily installable desktop Linux (Mint?) at  
no price
at all looks better than an OS tied to hardware tied to  
dictatorial control

about what you can and cannot do with the thing!


Maybe.   The research of Nils Bejerot, Stanley Milgram, and others  
portray a complexity in human nature that may be too  
multidimensional for such rational optimism.


;)

Aah . . . Stanley Milgram; what a guy! I did a year's basic  
Psychology at university too;
several of my firends thought it would be fun to wire the Prof. up  
to a Milgram device

and do things for real . . .  :)


A little-known factoid, even further off-topic: one of Milgram's  
youngest and most vulnerable undergraduate research subjects was  
extremely damaged by Milgram's emotionally abusive experiments. He  
grew up to become...


... the Unibomber.

Karma.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
ppbrig...@gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Bob Sneidar]

Maybe I have missed something, but is anyone saying that this will be the ONLY 
WAY to get apps for Mac? How are they going to pull that off?? They would have 
to abolish all I/O ports for drives, usb devices and cd/dvd drives. Is this 
really where we think Apple is going to go? 

I rather see this as a way that developers will be able to deliver apps made 
for devices like the iPad to the desktop too. Not a way for Apple to try to 
force everyone to sell apps through the iStore, which of course everyone can 
see would kill Apple development of enterprise apps. 

Bob


On Oct 20, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> 
>>> I went to find out, and they provide a link, but apparently
>>> the Mac Dev Program now requires a fee like the iOS program,
>>> so you need to give them money in order to find out if it's
>>> worth giving them money.
>>> 
>>> I gotta say that fills me with a certain envy:  I wish I had
>>> what it takes to get people to pay me before they're able to
>>> find out whether they want to pay me. ;)
>> 
>> Yes, indeed!
>> 
>> Some rumor has been going around that apps cant support auto updating or
>> serial key type licensing.
> 
> Can't say.  In order to download the document you have to agree to an NDA.  I 
> could tell you, but then I'd have to kill myself.
> 
> I imagine Gruber will get a free pass on discussing this as he has with other 
> NDA'd things in the past, and apparently TUAW has risked posting some tidbits 
> (thanks Scott) like this prohibition:
> 
>   - It require license keys or implements its own copy protection
> 
> In that one line the cost of making apps for the App Store goes up for all 
> multi-platform developers.  Most of us have reg schemes that currently work 
> on all platforms, but with the App Store, we'll need to have two different 
> methods of product security: one just for Apple and another for the entire 
> rest of the world.
> 
> 
> This prohibition is just weird:
> 
>  - It has metadata that mentions the name of any other computer
>platform
> 
> Are they that scared of Ubuntu? ("Dear Steve:  It's almost Halloween; 
> U-Booh!-ntu!")  :)
> 
> Or are we not allowed to let our customers know that our app being 
> cross-platform is a valuable feature for use in their workplace?
> 
> What exactly constitutes "metadata" in that context?
> 
> 
> This one may require RunRev to step up their game on a few details (author's 
> own comment included):
> 
>  -  It changes the native user interface elements or behaviors of
> Mac OS X (Well, that just wiped out 90% of the best Mac apps
> in a single, flaming fist punch.)
> 
> Yep.
> 
> Looks like staying in the Mac game is about to get more expensive for 
> everyone, from tool makers to developers and to some degree consumers as that 
> 30% tax starts to get spread around.
> 
> I feel bad for game developers; it's going to be hard for them to survive 
> outside of the App Store once the momentum takes hold.
> 
> Fortunately most of my clients are in markets too vertical for the App Store 
> to make much of a difference,  and our revenues tend to reflect general 
> market share percentages anyway (m...@5.7%) so they can afford to put off 
> those expenses for a while.
> 
> 
>> Is is possible with iOS apps to require registration? I would hate to think
>> that Apple should have my customer information but not be allowed to know
>> who my customers are, or not.
> 
> How does that work with iOS?
> 
> It's hard to imagine they could be so Draconian.
> 
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJournal.com
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my
>> product?
> 
> Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can
> answer that?

As far as I can tell, no, they only offer tools/Web pages that display
statistical data of your sales.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX Design


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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Jim Sims]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns.
> 
>   "Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized
>   Mac application store,"

With VersionTracker gone, folded into download.com, download.com is abysmal as 
far as I am concerned, there isn't much left.

Apple is stepping in at the right time - for them.

What concerns me most (in addition to not getting customer information!), is 
the consumer of apps/software will probably be expecting iPhone/iPad prices. 

When I read a comment that "$1.99 is way too much" for something some guy 
worked really hard at, I shake my head.

This sort of expectation might be carried over - after all, to the consumer 
it's just like the iTunes store - to the "App Store".  You have to sell an 
awful lot of $1.99 apps to make rent money every month.

sims





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Re: >

[Bob Sneidar]

I feel your pain. However the G5 is a bit of a unique circumstance. Apple 
hooked up with IBM to manufacture G5 processors, with the understanding (indeed 
the written agreement) that IBM would and could keep up with the advances in 
processor technology. They did not. They never produced a portable G5 chip that 
used less power, and Intel was leaps and bounds ahead when Apple finally said, 
"Enough! We have been cross developing OS X for Intel processors in secret, and 
now we are going to make the switch." 

Of course, IBM didn't take that too well, and now do not supply Apple with any 
G5 chips. The cords are severed. So the real villain in your circumstance is 
IBM, not Apple. As usual, the details are more complex than the summary. :-) 

And remember that manufacturers are only required to support a product for 5 
years from the date of manufacture by law. It isn't as though Apple cheated 
you. You may feel like you have a beef because past Apple machines were so 
incredibly reliable, but isn't that really an unexpected bonus? If I gave you 
$100 and a pat on the back for 7 days straight, would you be justified in being 
upset or disappointed if on the 8th day I gave you nothing? 

Bob


On Oct 21, 2010, at 6:42 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

> 
> Well over here in France, I inquired about reparing my 5 years old G5 which
> motherboard now works only with a hair dryer heating up... due to a kind of
> defective conception...  answer from apple was (i won't comment on how I
> felt!) beyond 5 years, nothing can be done, and "computers are not meant to
> last longer" !!! 
> 
> I looked at my first apple SE/30 still running from nearly 30 years now..
> and I thought whouaou they changed something in their mind!!! 
> 
> And I thought, ok guys, I will no more express the idea that apple = top
> quality from now on... 
> so now, apple is just a commodity like other brand, same hat.. 
> 
> I think I'm ready for Linux now!!! 
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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Lynn Fredricks wrote:


I think there is a simple question to ask -

Do I get to own or have access to the registration data for users of my
product?


Is there anyone here with apps in the current iOS App Store who can 
answer that?


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Re: [OT] Mac App Store

[Richard Gaskin]

Developers chime in on the implications of the Mac App Store:

   Paul Kafasis, CEO of Rogue Amoeba, a developer of Mac audio
   software, expressed some reservations about the terms.
   "Thirty percent isn't particularly reasonable, but it's not
   unexpected either," he said in an e-mail. "For access to
   almost 50 million Mac users, with just a couple clicks,
   it's at least in the ballpark. That said, with direct
   downloads, most developers pay 3-10% in credit card fees
   and processing. 30% is quite a bit more, and for what
   exactly?"

   At the moment, Rogue Amoeba is waiting to see how the Mac App
   Store is received. "It's certainly something we're looking at,
   but the restrictions and guidelines they've published are
   onerous at best," said Kafasis.

   Ambrosia Software president Andrew Welch voiced similar concerns.

   "Ambrosia is certainly interested in the idea of a centralized
   Mac application store," he said in an e-mail. "However the
   restrictions imposed by Apple on the applications may make it
   impossible for a number of our applications to be submitted."




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Re: revServer installation issues

[Phil Davis]

On 10/21/10 7:59 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

On Oct 20, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Phil Davis wrote:


On 10/20/10 4:57 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


Phil,

I had to do it this way:

 Action irev-script /cgi-bin/revserver/revserver

Because I had moved the entire revserver folder into cgi-bin (well, really 
CGI-Executables.) Until I did I was having similar problems to yours. In other 
words the Action had to point to the executable file, not just the enclosing 
folder.


I did try that at one point (and changed the appropriate paths in the config 
file) but it didn't work there either, so I went back to the current placement. 
Still, it won't hurt anything to look at that approach again.



I'm more a blunder-around-in-the-dark guy when it comes to this stuff, so it's 
probably just an accident that I got it to work. :-)


A man after my own heart!  ;-)


Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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Re: revServer installation issues

[Phil Davis]

On 10/21/10 5:49 AM, Mike Bonner wrote:

> From your description, it sounds like the new directives aren't getting
loaded at all.

If you run:

/usr/sbin/httpd -V |grep -i server_config_file

does it show the correct config file is at -D
SERVER_CONFIG_FILE="/private/etc/apache2/httpd.conf"?


Yes, that's what I get.


And you're using the server document root not your Sites directory.


Yep.


Oh, and have you checked to make sure revserver is executable? This should
NOT be the problem, if it were your browser should get an internal server
error response, but doesn't hurt to confirm.


Right. revserver permissions are 755. (rwxr-xr-x)


Also noticed you added the line:
ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/revserver
/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/revserver  ##  PD 20101020 added
I don't believe this is required as long as revserver is at the toplevel
inside the CGI-Executables folder.
The existing:
ScriptAliasMatch ^/cgi-bin/((?!(?i:webobjects)).*$)
"/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/$1"
should handle it.


Thanks.


I chose to put the data, extensions, and handlers folders in /opt/revserver
as per one of the options in the readme.txt but i'm sure the other 2 methods
would work just fine.


OK.
Thanks for the feedback Mike.


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Andre Garziawrote:


On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 3:49 AM, Phil Davis  wrote:


I managed to replicate your problem here on my mac os x, am trying to

solve

it.


Wow. Thanks Andre! That's huge!


I am good at breaking things, specially my computers!



Phil




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