Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
On 3/31/06, dake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Obligatory disclaimer first: IANAL, but I have done a bit of research on this topic. > You are right about the laws and the protocols. I add there is something > interesting about swiss law compared to french/belgian law concerning > the buildings as it seems (my non-professional interpretation) that > making a picture of a recent building, statue, etc. is allowed while in > France/Belgium, it is not (see the "Atomium" story). Clearly allowed in Switzerland if the statue if permanently fixed in a public place (of course, this is trivially the case for buildings); see article 27 of the copyright law (231.1) on admin.ch. > Well, some advices about swiss law in general regarding the copyright > would be nice. There was a question today on the french wikipedia about > the flags of cantons, communes and districts. On :fr, we have tons of > references about the french law, nearly nothing about swiss law, I'm > trying to collect some references :) I have tons of references about the Swiss law. Creating an article on this topic in en: is on my todo list. Give me a reference of the relevant page on fr: (and maybe some precise questions) and I'll try to add pointers to what I know as well. > Well, some advices about swiss law in general regarding the copyright > would be nice. There was a question today on the french wikipedia about\ > the flags of cantons, communes and districts. Where was it ? >From the copyright point of view, most of the flags are in the public domain (except _maybe_ for a few flags made for new municipalities after mergers). Otherwise, the laws under number 232.2 protect their use (basically: don't use them in bad faith). Frederic PS. Content de voir un autre francophone sur la liste... ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
On 3/31/06, dake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I had sent a few months ago a mail to admin.ch to know what was the > exact license of the official goverment material (pictures and texts). > Unfortunately, I didn't get an answer hence this post. For example, > the picture on this page (we all love this site, trust me, it was > randomly picked up :)) [...] > I know in France the gov. has a special (non-free) license for such > contents. In USA, gov. material is mostly P.D as you probably know. It > would be interesting to have a clear answer to this point for Switzerland. There is none, at least none in the law; as far as I know, each department/service can decide whatever they want. I have been lucky with the Parliament, from which I got the authorisation to use all the (beautiful) images on their web site basically as if they were in the public domain (many of them have since been uploaded to commons, mainly by en:User:Lupo). With other attempts (in particular concerning with the finding of documentation about the motto of Switzerland, with the Federal Military Library), I have had technical problems (people who stopped working there, follow-up addresses that were incorrect, etc). I should probably give it a try again soon. I guess one of the first things that Wikimedia CH could do after it is born is identify a couple of documents that would be worth having on Wikipedia, and send an official letter asking for the policy of the Swiss government. In July, the new law on transparency will be in effect, and everyone will be allowed to ask the administration for any document (barring private or security-related stuff, etc), for free if the cost is less than 100.-. This will probably weaken even more the case for having a strong copyright on documents created by the administration (if anyone can get it for free, you can as well make it available publicly). Frederic ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
Thanks for your answer. I had actually sent the mail to the webmaster. I will drop a mail to J. Glauser. You are right about the laws and the protocols. I add there is something interesting about swiss law compared to french/belgian law concerning the buildings as it seems (my non-professional interpretation) that making a picture of a recent building, statue, etc. is allowed while in France/Belgium, it is not (see the "Atomium" story). Well, some advices about swiss law in general regarding the copyright would be nice. There was a question today on the french wikipedia about the flags of cantons, communes and districts. On :fr, we have tons of references about the french law, nearly nothing about swiss law, I'm trying to collect some references :) Regards, Dake http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Dake ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
Hello. What I've figured out so far is, that laws, protocols of decisions and decrees are not protected. However I completely failed to figure out how the situation is for text and images provided on admin.ch, they don't even provide a copyright-section. Can I ask you where you sent your mail to? You might have sent a mail to "webmaster at admin.ch" However if you haven't received a reply: There is a special section "Elektronischer Behördenverkehr" (section cyberadministration, part of "Federal Chancellery = Bundeskanzlei" ), which is responsible for operating www.admin.ch and www.ch.ch As far as I understand it, they provide the contents for the two sites and have also the redactors for them. On the page is mentioned a responsible person for "Information and Communication": Julia Glauser "julia.glauser at bk.admin dot ch" It might be worth a try to send her a mail. Regards Michael On 3/31/06, dake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Swiss fellows, > > I had sent a few months ago a mail to admin.ch to know what was the > exact license of the official goverment material (pictures and texts). > Unfortunately, I didn't get an answer hence this post. For example, > the picture on this page (we all love this site, trust me, it was > randomly picked up :)) > > http://www.vbs-ddps.ch/internet/groupgst/fr/home/generalstab/dergeneralstab/generalstabschef0.html > > I know in France the gov. has a special (non-free) license for such > contents. In USA, gov. material is mostly P.D as you probably know. It > would be interesting to have a clear answer to this point for Switzerland. > > Cheers, > > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] [Wikimediafr-l] Travailler avec les autres "chapters" (was: Demande des statistique s de Médiamétrie)
On 3/31/06, Delphine Ménard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/31/06, Frederic Schutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Je conçois difficilement pourquoi la représentation aux Linux Days à > > > Genève devrait se faire par le biais de Wikimédia France. As-tu > > > contacté les Suisses pour ce faire ? Wikimedia CH est en cours de > > > création et la Suissse dispose d'une communauté quadrilingue > > > particulièrement active. > > > > Quadrilingue, oui, mais à ma connaissance, je suis pour l'instant le > > seul francophone qui suive de près ce qui se passe à l'intérieur de > > Wikimedia CH... J'aurais été très intéressé à participer aux Linux Days > > pour parler de Wikipedia, mais je serai à l'étranger ce jour-là. > > > > François, si tu veux en parler dans la liste Wikimedia CH, c'est une > > bonne idée, mais vu que je ne sais pas si on trouvera beaucoup de > > volontaires locaux pour l'instant, n'hésite pas si tu veux faire cette > > présentation. > > La seule chose qui me chagrinait, ce n'était pas que ce soit François > qui ai pris l'initiative, et bien sûr il devrait le faire s'il le > souhaite. Mais je ne vois pas pourquoi cette initiative devrait être > prise au nom de Wikimedia France. Même sans "chapter" encore installé > en Suisse, il me semble logique que cette initiative soit soutenue par > les suisses plutôt que par les français. > Ben, au moment nous nous concentrons à l'organisation du "Wikipedia Day" à Zurich et je ne suis pas sûr si nous serions capables d'agir comme Wikimedia CH à un autre "event". Mais nous pourrions certainement supporter/patroner etc. quelque chose, si quelqu'un prend l'initiative. (Si vous voulez vraiment discusser ça avec les gens de Wikimedia CH, ça serait peut-être mieux de le faire par WikimediaCH-l car je suis assez sûr qu'il n y a pas beaucoup de Suisses (allemands et romands) qui lisent ici. > Delphine > -- Michael > ~notafish > ___ > Wikimediafr-l mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediafr-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Copyright of the swiss administration
Hi Swiss fellows, I had sent a few months ago a mail to admin.ch to know what was the exact license of the official goverment material (pictures and texts). Unfortunately, I didn't get an answer hence this post. For example, the picture on this page (we all love this site, trust me, it was randomly picked up :)) http://www.vbs-ddps.ch/internet/groupgst/fr/home/generalstab/dergeneralstab/generalstabschef0.html I know in France the gov. has a special (non-free) license for such contents. In USA, gov. material is mostly P.D as you probably know. It would be interesting to have a clear answer to this point for Switzerland. Cheers, ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] CH Bylaws
On 3/31/06, Delphine Ménard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, I have added a comment on the talk page of the English version of > the bylaws. > http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bylaws/En > Okay, I saw it. So we'll wait for you recommendations. > We are aware of the fact that you are waiting for us to say something, > and I have asked the Chapters committee to come up with a > recommandation for the board at the end of this week, beginning of > next week at the latest. > Thanks a lot! > Sorry for the inertia. Seems to be a wiki thing. > No problem. We were just not sure whether the competences had already been sorted out or whether our application was somehow lost between board and ChapCom. > Cheers, > Regards Michael > Delphine > -- > ~notafish > ___ > Wikimediach-l mailing list > Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] CH Bylaws
Hi, I have added a comment on the talk page of the English version of the bylaws. http://ch.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bylaws/En We are aware of the fact that you are waiting for us to say something, and I have asked the Chapters committee to come up with a recommandation for the board at the end of this week, beginning of next week at the latest. Sorry for the inertia. Seems to be a wiki thing. Cheers, Delphine -- ~notafish ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
Re: [Wikimediach-l] Postal Adress created
Ah yes, and what I wanted to say: Please do not put the adress on the contact-pages until I have received confirmation of the post (together with the first 20-francs-per-year-bill) that the adress is up and running. Then, we can also use the adress for Switch Registry (Manuel?)¨ Michael On 3/31/06, Michael Bimmler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > I'd like to notify you that I have created the "Feste Vereinsadresse" > today 1 hour ago (Friday, 11.00) at a small post office in Zurich. > There is one little problem: He told me that we cannot have "8000 > Zürich", as 8000 is not an official post code, but only used as > placeholder for all other Zurich post codes (e.g. if you don't know > the post code of the area/quartier of you friend, you can write 8000). > He could also not give me 8001 (for reasons I didn't really > understand, the post office was in the 8001-area), so we agreed on > 8008 as third-best solution (at least symmetric). He had to send the > form now to the centrale in Berne, it will take about 1 week to be > processed. The whole business was by the way quite funny: > I went into the post office (Rämistrasse, quite small, but next to my > school), and first talked to an elderly employee who had no idea, that > this service existed. So she called her boss, a quite young, "dynamic" > guy, very friendly, but didn't want to believe in the existence of > Freie Vereinsadresse either. So we used his computer to go to the > post-homepage and find the leaflet about the Vereinsadresse and he > admitted that he had never heard of this before (and that it must be > an extremely new feature). Then he went into his office and started > looking for the form that was needed. He then came back with a > 2-pages, small-print form and we spent nice 20 minutes filling out > this form. (We both laughed about it's bureaucracy and both wondered, > why a couple of the fields were there. Then he remarked that he needed > a copy of the resolution (I printed it already out at home) and, as > the Post-customer service had not told me, a copy of the bylaws. So we > again went into internet and he printed out the bylaws full-length. > Then the only remaining were about 3 signatures + my ID card, + his > signature + the postal stamp and we were finally finished. > So he clipped everything together and now it must be on its way to > Berne... (However when I look at the lot of fine-print legal stuff on > the sheet, I would not wonder, if we have forgotten one little > information, but we both did our best... > > -- > Regards > Michael Bimmler > -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
[Wikimediach-l] Postal Adress created
Hello, I'd like to notify you that I have created the "Feste Vereinsadresse" today 1 hour ago (Friday, 11.00) at a small post office in Zurich. There is one little problem: He told me that we cannot have "8000 Zürich", as 8000 is not an official post code, but only used as placeholder for all other Zurich post codes (e.g. if you don't know the post code of the area/quartier of you friend, you can write 8000). He could also not give me 8001 (for reasons I didn't really understand, the post office was in the 8001-area), so we agreed on 8008 as third-best solution (at least symmetric). He had to send the form now to the centrale in Berne, it will take about 1 week to be processed. The whole business was by the way quite funny: I went into the post office (Rämistrasse, quite small, but next to my school), and first talked to an elderly employee who had no idea, that this service existed. So she called her boss, a quite young, "dynamic" guy, very friendly, but didn't want to believe in the existence of Freie Vereinsadresse either. So we used his computer to go to the post-homepage and find the leaflet about the Vereinsadresse and he admitted that he had never heard of this before (and that it must be an extremely new feature). Then he went into his office and started looking for the form that was needed. He then came back with a 2-pages, small-print form and we spent nice 20 minutes filling out this form. (We both laughed about it's bureaucracy and both wondered, why a couple of the fields were there. Then he remarked that he needed a copy of the resolution (I printed it already out at home) and, as the Post-customer service had not told me, a copy of the bylaws. So we again went into internet and he printed out the bylaws full-length. Then the only remaining were about 3 signatures + my ID card, + his signature + the postal stamp and we were finally finished. So he clipped everything together and now it must be on its way to Berne... (However when I look at the lot of fine-print legal stuff on the sheet, I would not wonder, if we have forgotten one little information, but we both did our best... -- Regards Michael Bimmler ___ Wikimediach-l mailing list Wikimediach-l@Wikipedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediach-l
