Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Kerns]

Ok Dennis you said the same in a later post



From: Tim Kerns 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:08 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect 
and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do 
not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control 
from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity.

The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access 
points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a 
fee.

Big difference here.



From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot 
interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

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Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to 
be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping 
on my business would be not allowed?

 

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed 
illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it.  

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection.  
not a one time thing but ongoing detection.  What products have people used. 




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Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

[Tim Kerns]

Dennis, I think you are taking this to literal. I have the right to detect 
and prohibit any wireless access point that is “connected” to my network. I do 
not have the right to bar an access point that is within my area of control 
from operating as long as it is not using my network for connectivity.

The hotel was trying to prevent guest and other business from using access 
points that were NOT connected to their network and thus avoiding paying them a 
fee.

Big difference here.



From: Dennis Burgess 
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 8:43 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

Yep, you do not control the airwaves in your business, therefor you cannot 
interfere with any “access point” that conforms with Part-15.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Adair Winter
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 10:10 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

a public place such as a hotel chain vs my private business where I needed to 
be able to control the wifi and keep things like wifi pineapples from snooping 
on my business would be not allowed?

 

On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 10:05 AM, Dennis Burgess  wrote:

Note that many of these systems (rather rogue AP prevention) have been deemed 
illegal by the FCC, a hotel chain was fined 600k I think due to it.  

 

Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Scott Piehn
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 9:49 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Rogue Accesspoint Detection

 

I have a customer that is being required to get rogue access point detection.  
not a one time thing but ongoing detection.  What products have people used. 




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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Tim Kerns]

so this gives everyone sweet smelling poop  


From: Mike Lyon 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:37 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Yes, it actually is because of a particular stockyard right at that 
intersection next to the sugar factory and train tracks. 

Moo.

-Mike


On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Tim Kerns  wrote:

  Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

  The smell is most likely residual...
  From: Mike Lyon 
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

  Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. 

  Think they accidentally swapped the names...

  On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"  wrote:

A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county 
line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing 
some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

-Kristian

On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

  Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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  From: John Thomas 
  Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
  To: WISPA General List 
  Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service


  Looking for 10 meg 

  1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
  Manteca, CA 95337

  Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

   

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

[Tim Kerns]

Manteca in the early 80’s had stockyards

The smell is most likely residual...
From: Mike Lyon 
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 11:07 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for service

Which is odd, because Manteca at 205 and 99 DOES smell like a bathroom. 

Think they accidentally swapped the names...

On Nov 14, 2014 10:46 AM, "Kristian Hoffmann"  wrote:

  A stones throw from our office in Salida (Exit) which sits on the county 
line, and about an hour from Los Banos (the bathrooms).  I'm sure I'm missing 
some, buts omeone sure had a sense of humor.

  -Kristian

  On 11/14/2014 09:54 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:

Manteca! Wow that translate to Lard in spanish…



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President
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www.aeronetpr.com   
@aeronetpr



From: John Thomas 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Friday, November 14, 2014 at 1:48 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for service


Looking for 10 meg 

1640 West Yosemite Blvd.
Manteca, CA 95337

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

 

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Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

[Tim Kerns]

A little caution ... transmit power does not necessarily equate to speed.

Speed is a combination of signal strength, signal quality (lack of noise or 
interference) and distance. And doubling the output power will not result in 
double the speed.

Transmit power will give you further distance, but depending on the other 
factors above and the client output power you may not see any gain in distance.


From: Colton Conor 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:42 PM
To: r...@sbnettech.com ; WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2dbi vs 3dbi vs 5 dbi vs 100mw vs 400mw

We are deploying a DSL network, and Broadcom is the leader in the DSL chipset 
market. So most all these modems we are using have a Broadcom SoC design with 
the VDSL2 modem, 802.11N 2x2 MIMO, Ethernet Switch, and CPU all built in. The 
only thing the modem manufacturers change is the power output on the Broadcom 
wifi (via a amp on the broad) and the selection of internal or external omni 
antennas for the most part. Plus some tweak the wifi settings. 

We are trying to decide if it is worth the small price premium to pay for the 
modem that has the high powered amp at 400mw vs the regular ones that only have 
100mw. Sounds like the the high powered ones are worth it especially since we 
have no control of the clients devices (I guess you rarely ever do anyways) and 
we are only supplying one AP/router per home. 

I guess this is why AT&T uverse gets such good ratings and reviews from their 
customers on wifi? They are using 2Wire/Pace modems for the most part that have 
all high powered wifi. Thats why in an AT&T area you can see tons of them.  







On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Ryan McKenzie  wrote:

  I second what Josh is saying.  I build out a lot of hotels and large offices, 
and because of iPhones and iPads, we've started doubling up on the AP's we 
normally would deploy.  In an indoor environment, it's really tough to do a 
very directional antenna because you are usually trying to cover a 360 deg 
area, so high power AP's, low gain antennas, and more AP's is usually the best 
approach. 

  That being said, I'm curious about your specific choice of Broadcom radios in 
your first post.  Usually that means you are trying to utilize custom firmware 
such as DD-WRT or Sputnik, etc.  Is this the case?  If so, it would be 
interesting to hear what you are trying to accomplish.  I've played with many 
of those for a long time, until I really saw the capability and power of the 
Unifi, and stopped messing around with anything else.  

  Just curious as Broadcom is not a radio chipset you hear much about on this 
list. 


  Thanks,
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  Office 385-215-WIFI
  Cell 801-309-6161


  On 11/13/14 4:41 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

You are correct.  It never will.  Rx can only be improved by a bigger 
antenna to listen with.  Antenna gain always has and will be better than raw 
power. 

Unless you include the other side's Tx, in which case more power and gain 
will help.  In the Wifi world you're totally screwed because it's a terrible 
laptop/phone/game console/tablet/etc in which case you can't do ANYTHING to 
their devices.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Colton Conor  
wrote:

  Awesome, I am already learning so much from this mailing list. So it 
sound like the author was right. So boosting the power output on the AP will 
more than likely boost the TX (downlink) speed on the AP side, but do nothing 
on the RX speed side of the AP since nothing from the clients sending 
perspective has changed right?  

  On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Ben West  wrote:

Yes, radios will negotiate different rx/tx rates to each other, so up 
to 2 distinct rates for a single link.  On the open source mac80211 
linux-wireless driver you can see this explicitly.  The rx/tx on one radio is 
the tx/rx on the other.

root@ap1:~# iw wlan0 station dump
Station 52:e6:fc:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0)
inactive time:70 ms
rx bytes:769202553
rx packets:4644034
tx bytes:326581907
tx packets:465139
tx retries:76461
tx failed:4
signal:  -56 [-57, -62] dBm
signal avg:-55 [-57, -62] dBm
tx bitrate:117.0 MBit/s MCS 14
rx bitrate:86.7 MBit/s MCS 12 short GI
authorized:yes
authenticated:yes
preamble:long
WMM/WME:yes
MFP:no
TDLS peer:no

root@ap2:~# iw wlan0 station dump
Station 62:66:b3:XX:XX:XX (on wlan0)
inactive time:10 ms
rx bytes:569548806
rx packets:3191667
tx bytes:412571117
tx packets:490879
tx retries:104831
tx 

Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules Until 2015"

[Tim Kerns]

Don't you think they will throttle us also...

Make us pay for fast lane just like their other customers... only worst for 
us.. think ESPN

Don't misunderstand me... I don't like the net neutrality as its being 
proposed, but I also don't want some services favored over others and forced 
to pay more the get them equal.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 4:05 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] "FCC Confirms Delay of New Net Neutrality Rules 
Until 2015"

Is there any more information on what exactly the FCC is proposing to
propose?  I know there was Title II thrown around

How would that impact us, or any other carrier?  Net neutrality is about
giving all packets equal access -- if I already do that, do I have
anything to fear?

I for one would love to see Net neutrality fall on its face, the big
ISPs start throtteling traffic, and just have customers driven to us
little guys who don't throttle.

On 11/11/14, 8:33 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> from:
> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/11/11/2345213/fcc-confirms-delay-of-new-net-neutrality-rules-until-2015
>
> "/The Federal Communications Commission will abandon
> 
>  
> its earlier
> promise
>  
> to
> make a decision on new net neutrality rules this year. Instead, FCC
> Press Secretary Kim Hart said, "there will not be a vote on open
> internet rules on the December meeting agenda. That would mean rules
> would now be finalized in 2015." The FCC's confirmation of the delay
> came just as President Barack Obama launched a campaign
> 
>  
> to
> persuade the agency to reclassify broadband Internet service as a public
> utility./Opensource.com is also running an interview with a legal
> advisor at the FCC
> .
> He says, "There will be a burden on providers. The question is, 'Is that
> burden justified?' And I think our answer is 'Yes.'""
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Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

[Tim Kerns]

or plug a cheap cpe in the ac outlet... run  a ping monitor to it... when power 
is off pings stop..



From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:35 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off

Plug in a Sitemonitor and use a battery backup.  With Powercode you can use 
PagerDuty to do a phone call.

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Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Nov 10, 2014 10:21 AM, "OOLLC-Support"  wrote:

  Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets
  kicked?  I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone
  to let me know when the server has lost power.  Does anyone have a cheap
  way to solve this?
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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

[Tim Kerns]

Gino, that sounds like the issue we had... have your electric company check to 
see if you are dropping a phase at the transformer servicing you.   

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:06 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

We have a APC ups on site, problem is voltage drops below the UPS threshold (90 
vac) I need something that would regulate from 60-70 vac upwards



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President
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www.aeronetpr.com   
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From: Sean Heskett 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Monday, November 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??


Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

[Tim Kerns]

We found when using  Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The 
UPS would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a 
period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About 
the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to 
recharge.  The problem at the site was a phase was dropping.

From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??

Apc battery backup.  They will trim and boost for you. 

We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old 
building and wiring :-/ )  the apc boost the load to 120.



On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini  wrote:

  We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping 
below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator?



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Re: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy

[Tim Kerns]

Wow... can I get in on this too !!





From: mailto:cdfr...@wp.pl 
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 4:17 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy






Re-Offer Contract From Mine & Engergy

Engr. Kapano






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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

[Tim Kerns]

When I try to access it, I get redirected to Ikano and mail is not one of their 
listed products...


can someone clarify, please...

Thanks


From: Sean Heskett 
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:10 PM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced Server and mail hosting

we started when it was in early beta so we are grandfathered into a free 
account. 

as josh pointed out there is an ISP edition for .35 a user...very much worth it!

-sean




On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Josh Bowsher  wrote:

  Cost per domain or mailbox? I have several domains…..



  Regards,



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  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Sean Heskett
  Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 5:01 PM
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  google apps for your domain.



  easy peasy..never looked back after switching 8 or 9 years ago :-)



  -sean



  On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Josh Bowsher  wrote:

  Who is everyone using for outsourced server hosting/management (Windows or 
Linux Servers running SQL, Radius, Billing software) and hosted mail service? 
All input is appreciated.



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Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL trials)

[Tim Kerns]

I’ve used the Trendnet units at home and at a couple clients. Not real 
impressed, but I can get connectivity in other parts of the home without 
expense and time of running  Cat5. I don’t remember the throughput, but it was 
no way near specs.  I had one that was also running with the dish slingshot: 
Ethernet over power unit. Had some issues with packet loss, not sure if it was 
caused by the dish device or not.

Tim



rom: CBB - Jay Fuller 
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:22 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not thefailedpower companyBPL 
trials)


I'll look them up next week - yes - had as many as four connected.  There was 
no "master" unit, it was all one big "bridge", like having them all on a switch

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failedpower 
companyBPL trials)

  Thanks Jay.

  Did you ever try to get more than one remote to connect to a master without 
doing anything special?

  That’s my ultimate goal. And do you remember the model unit you used?

   

  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller
  Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 1:43 AM
  To: WISPA General List
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power 
companyBPL trials)

   

   

  Ralph - pretty sure we used the netgear model units and they did not require 
anything more than plug and pray.  Worked great.

   

- Original Message - 

From: ralph 

To: 'WISPA General List' 

Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 8:39 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over power lines (not the failed power 
companyBPL trials)

 

Then you may not be talking about what I am talking about.

I think it may have been Duke Power who did some of the 1st generation 
trial/pilots I speak of.  It was quite a while ago,  It was too expensive, 
didn’t work well, and, well, yes it certainly did interfere with licensed users 
(Ham Radio and International broadcasters). It is a part 15 service. It 
transmits on unshielded wires on approximately 2-30 MHz. This covers almost all 
low frequency Ham bands, International broadcast, and CB.  Here is the database 
of the “trials” http://p1k.arrl.org/~ehare/bpl/ex2.html#Cities  It is way out 
of date, but there is tons of interesting information here. Unfortunately a 
great many of the links are broken.

 

The two most spectacular failures were those of IBEC, (the company I 
believe Clay is describing) who folded January of 2012. They cited the power 
line disruption from the Southeastern Tornadoes as the reason.  These are the 
same tornadoes that tore up several of us here on this list- especially in 
Alabama!  IBEC was competing with WISPS and all the while causing illegal 
interference to FCC licensed users.


http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-shows-ibec-bpl-systems-are-interfering-violating-fcc-rules

 

The second was the City of Manassas, VA, who started their trial way back 
in 2002. The “plug was pulled” on their BPL in July of 2010.

 

A little Google-ing will find you demonstrations of how horrible the 
interference was.

 

The part 15 rules concerning BPL are very interesting:  47 C.F.R. §15.615  
http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/15.615

 

The official database of BPL systems that operators are, per the FCC, 
supposed to list their systems in at least 30 days before beginning operations 
is at  http://www.bpldatabase.org/listing/  IBEC repeatedly violated that FCC 
rule

 

 

 

 

 

The most recent technology (HomePlug) incorporates protection 
(filtering/notching)  for the Amateur bands and is a much more friendly 
neighbor.

 

Speaking of your Radio Shack devices (and I had a lot of them too) – they 
were based on the BSR X10 technology. The 80’s stuff was pretty poor. Later on 
it evolved to be a lot better and even worked bidirectionally, which really 
helped the reliability.  Many home automation companies sprang up to utilize 
the technology. When I was in the burglar business we laughed at the “Car 
Trunkers” trying to sell an alarm based on them- before they were even 2 way.  
My smart thermostat uses the X-10 passive infrared sensors to let it know when 
the different rooms are occupied.

 

And like yours, many of modules are now dead, but I try to keep a few 
around to use to turn the Christmas lights off and on.   That X10 company who 
advertised us to death a few years ago was also responsible for those 2.4 GHz 
analog video cameras that can singlehandedly wipe out the entire 2.4 WiFi band. 
Boy am I glad they don’t advertise like that anymore! They seem to have calmed 
down and are mostly about security and switching again now.

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wirele

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ Frequency Range

[Tim Kerns]

"·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization"

How do they figure this?

I think it should be Low susceptibility due to SELF interference.

900 in my area, California Central Valley east of the Bay Area, is almost 
useless for 900 as the power companies have put in smart meters

Tim
CV-Access, Inc.


-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 3:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Fwd: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 
900MHZ Frequency Range

Just got this today:

This sounds interesting anyone have any thoughts?  900MHz always
gets the "propagation" advertisement, but my experience has been that
while it propagates better, the gain limitations and size of reasonable
antennas make it unusable.


 Original Message 
Subject: Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products 900MHZ
Frequency Range
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2013 20:16:18 +0300
From: Asa Yanai 
To: undisclosed-recipients:;



__

Runcom Announce 2 NEW 4G/WIMAX exciting products:

v*New 4G/WIMAX  Solution at 900MHZ Frequency Range *

*Combines long Range , High Capacity and low susceptibility to
Interference *

·Long Range - due to 900MHz propagation

·Non Line of Sight – due to 900MHZ propagation and OFDMA technology
(unique to 4G)

·High Capacity – due to 4G/WIMAX  high spectral efficiency (4
bits/sec/Hz) and MIMO utilization

·Low susceptibility to Interference – due to GPS synchronization

·Base Stations and Outdoor CPE's available now

v*New Enhanced WIMAX Base Station with Radius Interface. *

·IEEE.802.16e compliant

·Enables stand alone connection to the NOC without the need of ASN Gateway

·For additional features please refer to the attached  brochure

For more information please contact :

*/Asa Yanai/*

RUNCOM USA

V.P Business Development & Marketing USA

Cell: 917 848 3753

Email: a...@runcom.com 

or

*/Israel Koffman/*

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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Tim Kerns]

I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now to small 
of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower.

Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I was 
seeing 28 vdc.

I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added cost, 
yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t need to burn 
a radio out.

I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would drain it 
in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one of our EE 
members can explain this. 

4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most equipment 
is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc. Why does this 
not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar at +27 volts.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM
To: WISPA General List ; fai...@snappydsl.net 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

Because batteries are 27v.

On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:

  Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ?

  Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. .
   Will they work ?  maybe...
   Will they fail ?  maybe
   If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at
  UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our
  of Specs.
   Will it shorten the life of the Radio  ?   maybe...
   Will is just work fine ?   maybe.

  This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum..
  If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on
  your own ..
  If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to
  stay within the Mfg. Specs ...

  I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed
  Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky
  stuff'

  Of Course YMMV

  :)

  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom

  On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
  >   We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with no 
load.
  >   Obviously load will have an impact on this.
  >
  >   Justin
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: Jeromie Reeves 
  > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  > Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
  > To: WISPA General List 
  > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
  >
  >> That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
  >> so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
  >> seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
  >>
  >>
  >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
  >>>  27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500 foot
  >>> distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
  >>>
  >>> -Original Message-
  >>> From: Scott Lambert 
  >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
  >>> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
  >>> To: 
  >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
  >>>
  >>>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
  >>>>>   Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
  >>>>> saying it's ideal but it works.
  >>>> 27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
  >>>>
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[WISPA] No mail

[Tim Kerns]

Rick,
I have not received mail for any wispa accounts in two or more days.


Come to think of it I didn’t receive the usual “you are subscribed to” 
messages either.

Tim Kerns
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[WISPA] Ubiquiti Bullet 5M

[Tim Kerns]

I just received a couple to begin testing (more like playing with) and I'm 
not sure of the Freq. it covers.

The selections are :

5180 to 5320 in 20 meg increments.

5745 to 5805 in 20 meg increments

but it also has:

5500 to 5680 in 20 meg increments.

Is this unlicensed spectrum?  I thought 5400 was, but didn't think 5500 to 
5680 was.

Thanks,

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Re: [WISPA] email black lists

[Tim Kerns]

Marlon,

Also try this site 
http://whatismyipaddress.com/staticpages/index.php/is-my-ip-address-blacklisted 
it looks on several list for you.


- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:47 AM
Subject: [WISPA] email black lists


> Hi All,
>
> We had a customer get a virus and it took us a couple of days to find out
> who it was.
>
> I'm off of all of the black lists that I can find, but I still can't send 
> to
> a large number of companies.  Hotmail, Key Bank, Frontier Net, Shaw etc. 
> Is
> there a hidden black list out there somewhere?  Is the a Barracuda thing 
> or
> something?  I'm going nuts trying to get email fixed!
>
> Here's an example of the bounce I get.  All seem to be very similar, close
> enough that I think the same mechanism is being used by them all.
>>>idcmail.shaw.ca [24.71.223.11]:
>>> <<< 554-idcmail.shaw.ca
>>> <<< 554 Your connection from 64.146.146.8 has been rejected due to poor
>>> reputation.
>
>
> Any ideas?
> thanks,
> marlon
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Does anybody have a calculator to determine antenna downangle?

[Tim Kerns]

Try this

http://www.terabeam.com/support/calculations/index.php


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:00 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Does anybody have a calculator to determine antenna 
downangle?


> Yes I'm a WISP newbie.  We have an agreement with a cellular provider to
> put out antennas on their tower that is next to ours.  The tower is
> almost twice as big as the one I have now, and our gear will be located
> at the top.  I have all my elevations, and azimuths for the different
> tower locations we need to point at.  I was wondering if there was a
> calculator out there that would allow me to figure out the new down
> angles.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction

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Jerry,

>From where you are located, I believe you are being hit by a new repeater on 
Mt Diablo. It seems the HAMs were using another freq and it was interfering 
with military operations. They kept reducing power til it was down to 
nothing. They then decided to use 900 mhz, it is only going to get worse as 
they intend to add more AMP to it. It will most likely take out all 900 in 
the Central Valley, your area and the Bay Area. I wonder what all the power 
co's meters that are on 900 also will do. this is not going to be a 
pleasant thing for HAM's... right or wrong.

- Original Message 
From: "Jerry Richardson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction


>I determined the best course of action is to upgrade the antennas and
> re-assign frequencies customer AP re-assignments.
>
> 900 is getting crowded and eventually I will likely have to abandon the
> frequency. I'm not going to make a big stink about this one only to have
> to deal with it again in six months or a year.
>
> Life's too short.
>
> __
> Jerry Richardson
> airCloud Communications
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Larry Yunker
> Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:04 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Court Injunction
>
> Jerry,
>
> As with all good legal questions, the answer is: "It Depends".
>
> If the HAM operator is INTENTIONALLY interfering with your signal, then
> you
> have a very good chance of maintaining a cause of action against him
> (IMHO).
> If on the other hand, he was unaware of your signal at the time that he
> put
> up his equipment, you have very little chance of maintaining an action.
> The
> iffy party is when he falls in between knowing and intentional.  If he
> knew
> you were out there, but he didn't mean to shut you down, there is an
> argument both ways as to whether he is liable.
>
> I guess the first thing is to determine whether he knew you were
> operating
> on the same frequency as the one on which he was planning to deploy.
>
> Regards,
> Larry Yunker
> Network Consultant
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> DISCLAIMER: The above comments are solely an opinion and should not be
> construed to be legal advice.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson
> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 3:45 PM
> To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Motorola Canopy User Group
> Subject: [WISPA] Court Injunction
>
> Is it possible to get an injunction against a HAM if he moved to a
> 900MHz frequency as is causing interference that would disrupt our
> ability to do business? I know he has a license and I don't however
> there must be some precedent that allows for commercial venture versus
> amateur radio.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet

[Tim Kerns]

And the "End of the Internet" is also timed to happen the same year as the 
"End of the World" this is according to the "End" of the Mayan calendar.

Just what you wanted to know...

lol   :)


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:10 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet


> This is not going to happen, it's a video on Youtube, any Joe Blow can 
> post
> whatever on Youtube and there are a lot of videos like this on there set 
> out
> to scare people. However I think that we will see "metered bandwidth" 
> before
> this could ever happen.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Victoria Proffer
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:30 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
>
> Could this ever happen?
> http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2
>
> Of my almost 17 years as an ISP, I find it hard to believe.
> How could the LECs possibly block all the sites?
> If this is true, what could we do to stop it?
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
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> CEO
> St. Louis Broadband
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Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message

[Tim Kerns]

I don't think that StarOS will let you put addresses from the same subnet on 
all interfaces. If you try this AND not notice, it will add the address but 
disable it (this is shown by the easy to miss * by it). This will result in 
the same thing though and that is not able to get into the unit. It is best 
when configuring these units to "apply changes" but do not save until you 
are sure of the change. This way to restore all you need to do is power 
cycle it.

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Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message


>I just re-read it and need to clarify.
> I put addresses from the same subnet on all interfaces because it seemed
> that an address was required per the blanks to fill in.  It was never
> documented to only put an address on one interface.
> With other products, you don't really program the other interfaces, so you
> aren't inclined to make that mistake.
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Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software

[Tim Kerns]

Try this link, it is not software to track cheating spouse, but it will 
track a cell phone... just put in a number.

http://www.sat-gps-locate.com/english/index.html

Tim
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software


> JO,
>
> You may be a legend in your own mind, but she has BIGGER and BETTER things
> in her life... :O
>
> CL
>
>
> On 2/28/08 8:32 PM, "JohnnyO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Cliff - you don't need to worry about cheating spouse software... I told 
>> you
>> years ago it was ME who Marsha was seeing on the side..
>>
>> No need for a GPS tracker either, or camera, or any of that stuff. 
>> Anytime
>> you want to know where we are, just call ! Anytime you want pics, let me
>> know - I'll send you some ! Anytime you wanna see what she's sending me 
>> on
>> the computer, let me know - I'll forward you the emails !
>>
>> Muahahahahaha
>>
>> Your buddy,
>>
>> JohnnyO
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Cliff LeBoeuf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software
>>
>>
>>> Oh! ... I learn SO much from this organization... :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/08 11:46 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
 Implantable GPS locator/ heart-rate monitor.
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 Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 10:43 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Cheating spouse software


> Alex wrote:
>> Go hire a gumshoe.
>
> Hide a webcam in the ceiling (or under the bed or...) One of the new
> ones with built-in Web interface and wi-fi. Have it connect to the 
> home
> network, forward a couple ports, spy on the spouse from the office.
>
> Or set up a Mikrotik to intercept/log traffic. Might as well use their
> CALEA support for something.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?

[Tim Kerns]

John,
We had to run for over a month on generator at the end of last year. (long 
story but the place where we contract for one of our towers defaulted on 
their loan and the bank took over it took over a month and a break in to 
get the power restored).

My point was we used one of the 1000 watt generators from harbor freight, 
the one with the Subaru engine. We ran this round the clock, the tank on 
them will run about 5-6 hours depending on load. We took a 5 gallon can, 
made a spout and connected this to the engine input, bypassing the tank. 
This gave us plenty of run time, but still needed to refill daily. The first 
generator lasted about 2 weeks before it was stolen (remember the break-in 
above), we replaced with the same model and ran it for another 2 weeks.

I was really surprised at it's ability to last that long and expected it to 
die after a few days. We found it did use oil and the automatic "low oil" 
sensor did shut us down once. After that we added oil every 2-3 days.


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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 2:40 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Small generators - cheap or inexpensive?


>I was looking around for a method to keep at least my backbone
> running during an extended power outage. (we have had ice storms take
> out power for 4 - 7 days).
>
> It seemed like the small generators might be a solution, the Honda/
> etc name brand ones seem to be ~$600 for 1000 watts. And I found a
> company that sells Yamaha 1000W generators converted to dual fuel (NG
> or propane) for about $1000.  They also sell a 2400 watt generator
> that is triple fuel, gas/NG/propane that is tempting, even at $1600.
>
> But then I ran across some imported 2 stroke, 1000 watt generators.
> Harbor Freight has them in their catalog for about $150. I found a
> similar one in a local store that is on sale for $99.  The box says
> it will run for 8 hours on tank of gas (at half load, 1.25 gallons).
>
> These imported ones just seem like they are too cheap.  And I'm not
> too fond of 2 stokes. That Yamaha dealer warns that the cheap
> generators are only designed to last 150 hours - but maybe 150 hours
> for $100 isn't too bad a deal.
>
> Just wondering if anyone has thoughts or experiences on this issue.
> thanks
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Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Tim Kerns]

OLSR allows you to have multiple paths (tcp/IP) to your Internet gateway, a 
true mesh system not only allows multiple paths, but will also seek out 
different wireless connections to different SSID's to find the shortest path 
to the Internet gateway. In the case of OLSR  (of the systems I've seen) it 
does not seek a list of SSID wireless connection.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


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Anthony

Our complete RWR HPG product line has Mesh based on OLSRd
(http://www.olsr.org/).
http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-rwr/index.html
http://www.demarctech.com/about-us/demarc-rwr-press.pdf

There is a GUI for olsrd which will run under Linux or Windows:
http://www.olsr.org/index.cgi?action=gui

These are true outdoor unit that has been designed and tested to work from
-40C to +65C and with 630mW output power vs -10C to 50C and "200mW peak
transmission power" which is most likely lower power levels in when
modulated.

Sincerely, Tony Morella
Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider
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Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
cost, self install, mesh technology, etc. but I do not like that you
will be depending on their backend (Dashboard) software. Are there
any other companies offering products along this line?

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Re: [WISPA] Alternative to Meraki mesh??

[Tim Kerns]

I understand that Ruckus is going to release a mesh system. I have not heard 
when, but I believed it to be soon.


Tim

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Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 8:09 AM
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You can dump their software and build your own. I have not seen
anything else quite like them but would also like to know what else
exists.

On 10/25/07, Anthony Lemons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Anyone know if there is an equipment line along the lines of what
Meraki is selling?  I've been checking out Meraki and like the low
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[WISPA] XBOX using 2.4 ghz for game controllers

[Tim Kerns]

I had an interesting discovery yesterday. I was at a long time customer 
trying to see why they have been having performance issues. I took along my 
Cognio Spectrum analyzer because the signal looked good from the AP but I 
could see the speed anywhere from 1 - 11 megs. (this is an 802.11b). From 
the spectrum analyxer I could see their wireless router which was on the 
same channel as our client radio (which I changed) and I could see "spikes" 
clear across the 2.4 spectrum with good signal strength. I was able to use 
the Cognio in my laptop and walk around the home until I found the source, 
which was 2 xbox consoles. The xbox's were both turned off but still 
outputting all across the 2.4. Once we unplugged both units the spectrum 
went quiet. My question is: Can the xbox be configured to only use a set 
channel in the 2.4? It appeared that it was using freq hop for the wireless 
game consoles.


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Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs

[Tim Kerns]

The first three pictures that Chuck sent to the list .. IS NOT PART OF 
OUR NETWORK.. I want to make that very clear as I would not recommend 
anyone installing a tower on these grain legs in this way. These are 
pictures of another WISP in our area and to me this is how NOT to do it.


Now the picture of the really handsome guy on the platform (me ... lol ) is 
how we have installed a dish for backhaul and an omni for AP. These are 
secured to the railing structure on the platform.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs



Pretty much.

How is that secured to the rest of the structure and did an engineer 
approve it or did you just slap it up?



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Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 5:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Towers on grain legs


Is this what you are looking for?

Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California


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Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 9:58 AM
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*nods*  Trylon said they'll tell me all the load information, but another
engineer (perhaps from the leg company) would have to sign off on how it
would attach to the leg and if the leg could hold the loads.


-
Mike Hammett
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I have put literally hundreds of two way radio antennas
on top of structures like you picture, but never have I
put tower sections on top of the structures to hold
antennas.

I don't know where I would find an engineer willing to
sign off on it.


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Since what I'm picturing in my mind doesn't seem to jive with what
I'm hearing, this is the type of structure I'm referring to.


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It was brought to my attention yesterday that some WISPs put tower
sections
on grain legs.

How many of you have done this?

Could you describe the particulars of those installations?

Pictures?

Did you have an engineer approve your designs?


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[WISPA] Fw: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing

[Tim Kerns]

Subject: Belgian court rules that ISPs must block file-sharing




http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134159-c,internetlegalissues/article.html



Once again the ISP can do anything, especially what others have been un able 
to do..

Some of you may have see this discussed on the Nanog list.

Tim

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Clearwire and external antennas WAS: [WISPA] Copper Plant

[Tim Kerns]

The reply we received from Clearwire is "We are not doing external units 
anymore because they cause problems with performance at the AP's." We were 
very glad to hear that...


Anyone else hear this or is it just maybe a local thing??

Tim Kerns
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Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Copper Plant



Clearwire isn't doing too bad :-) The antennas are built into the radios,
which live inside. If you're in a fringe coverage area and are willing to
pay for the installation, they do have a unit with "a little antenna on 
the

corner of the house".


Thanks,

Steve



On 6/15/07, George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I was just thinking yesterday about a conversation I had with a
telephone guy just after I took over the old winfinity.com isp-bbs.

At that time ATT said they would be in every market, wirelesly. They
would put a little antenna on the corner of every house


Who is putting little antennas on the corners of houses today?

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Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites

[Tim Kerns]

Some of this started a little over a month ago in some hearings.

http://news.com.com/Senators+demand+more+regulations+on+Net+pharmacies/2100-1028-6184455.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703

There was a Harvard Law Professor that made some unbelievable remarks there:
Philip Heymann, a Harvard Law School professor who specializes in 
drug-related legal issues, suggested formulating a group that would monitor 
for objectionable sites, alert ISPs to their existence, and require ISPs to 
offer their subscribers the option of having such sites rendered 
inaccessible from their accounts. (He did not mention that Web-blocking 
software, which permits end users to block access to designated Web sites, 
has existed for more than a decade.)


"It is no burden to (the ISPs). They know how to do it; they can do it in a 
minute," Heymann told the politicians. He also suggested that search engines 
like Google and Yahoo be required to place banners at the top of their 
search results pages warning users that it's illegal to buy certain drugs 
without prescriptions.


Heymann also suggested that ISPs could be forced to filter all Web traffic 
for specific ads, something that would be technically problematic given the 
current state of Internet filtering technology. "We believe that Internet 
service providers should make available to their customers the opportunity 
to block ads for illegal sales of controlled substances from their Internet 
service," he wrote in his statement.


If you click on his name, it will give info about this prof and his e-mail 
address. I know I sent an e-mail to him pointing out his errors.




Tim Kerns

CV-Access



- Original Message - 
From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISP's Required to Block Sites


If anyone has already started looking into this more, like where the bill 
is and what the time line is, please post to the list (I'll do the same). 
This is definitely something that needs to be nipped in the bud.


This is not the job of and ISP in any form.  What happens if the ISP 
blocks traffic to a legitimate site, are we now liable for lost revenue 
and defamation by implying that a site is not legit?


I will have to take exception to his statement that the internet needs 
regulation.

   Sam Tetherow
   Sandhills Wireless

Jack Unger wrote:

I agree 100% with the author of this article.

Requiring ISPs to block sites that they "suspect" of advertising or 
selling illegal pharmaceuticals is the wrong way to go about dealing with 
marketing abuse.


Once ISPs are required to block sites based either on "suspicion" or on 
government order, we will have lost more of our ever-shrinking freedom 
than we will ever gain in "security".


I'm going to get more information about this bill and then write Senator 
Dianne Feinstein (D.-Calif.) and Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) to make 
them aware of my concern and ask them to drop the ISP-requirement 
provisions.


jack


Matt wrote:

http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2007/05/17/senate-pushes-web-pharmacy-regulations

or

http://tinyurl.com/2cl7cs

Personally I think its great they are finally doing something about
online pharmacies but requiring ISP's to block sites is ridiculous.
What will be next.

It should be completely illegal to use or actively participate in the
use of email or telemarketing for the marketing of prescription drugs
directly to consumers.  Credit card processing companies should be
held liable as well.

Matt




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Re: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN

[Tim Kerns]

LOL..

wonder how many understand 7500..

Tim

- Original Message - 
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN


Please squawk 7500 and continue on course...

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This list has been hijacked AGAIN by a few folks who send never ending
emails-day and night-  please stop, your killing the usefulness of the whole
thing.

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Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

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Dawn,

Do you have a laptop with a wireless card in it?  Look on the bottom and 
tell us the FCC number. I will bet that number does not equate to 
certification of the laptop and wireless card together as a "complete 
system". AND this is the point that many have been trying to make.  The 
laptop is FCC certified, the wireless card is FCC certified, but it has not 
been certified as a "complete system". WHY, EXPLAIN, LEGAL?


So the contacts that Marlon has and the contacts that Jack have are telling 
one story, but the mfg of other devices are being allowed to build and sell 
computers without going the "complete system" certification. So if we could 
discover how they are allowed to do this, then we also should be allowed to 
produce a mix and match system using certified components just as they do.


The second point several have been trying to make, that you just seem to 
blow off .
Why is it legal to go to CompUSA, buy a Netgear, Linksys, or other PCI 
Wireless card, insert it into a PC. Where is the "complete system" 
certification. You do not get a new sticker to attach to the computer once 
the PCI card is inserted and used. I don't see any mention of the computer 
brand, or model number they are approved to be installed into. If this is 
not legal, why has the FCC allowed these mfg to continue selling these 
wireless parts to allow the consumer to put together an illegal system.


The "complete system" seems to fall down for everyone except WISP. It 
appears that the contacts both Jack and Marlon have are hard liners, by the 
rules, no exception type. And this is not a slam to either of these fine 
guys who have been working hard to interface with the FCC for us. It is just 
that we are hearing one thing, but seeing something different.


Now ADI is proclaiming a DYI certified system. So again, the rules say only 
the mfg holds the certificate. So how can others build this system using 
instructions and like components from ADI and be legal?


SO, why is an SBC (one that has been FCC certified like ADI's Metro or 
Gateworks), a mini PCI radio (also certified) and an external antenna (again 
only one that has been certified with the Radio) NOT a legal system. In 
other words, WHY is my Dell laptop, or my partners Toshiba laptop NOT a 
legal system. They have all 3 of the mentioned components, but I don't see 
the FCC number where it was certified as a complete system. Did I miss 
something?


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.






- Original Message - 
From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



Mike,

What Marlon said IS NOT OPINION. The only way you can be legal is to 
certify a system as a whole. You might want to take a look at the ADI link 
I posted and maybe this will help you understand what is required to 
become certified. You must have all the components certified together.


Is it that I keep misunderstanding what you are trying to say? But I feel 
like this has been discussed before in no uncertain terms.


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Mike Hammett wrote:
So you're saying (in your opinion, not necessarily any bearing on what 
the FCC actually requires) when we have certified SBCs, we'd be able to 
go that route?  Those that are running a certified radio with no amp (who 
uses that garbage anymore) into an antenna with equal or lower gain on a 
PC based system run a good chance of being legal?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble



It works like this Doug.

A radio card is an intentional radiator.  Under part 15 rules it can 
only be sold as a part of a certified system.  That means if you put the 
radio card in a computer and it's designed to be used in a computer 
either with it's own built in antenna or the antenna build into the 
computer that's ok.  As long as it's CERTIFIED that way.


If you take that same card, hook a pigtail to it and put an amp on it. 
You are out of compliance.  If you put an antenna larger than the one 
certified, you are out of compliance.  If you put a different type of 
antenna than it was certified with (yagi to grid or panel to omni etc.) 
you are out of compliance.


The thing that's screwing us all up with MT, StarOS and others like that 
is that they don't have ANY certified systems available to us.


And, if you look on LEGAL computer boards, even though they are 
UN-intentional radiators, they will have an FCC certification on them. 
Many of the war board type devices don't have that FCC logo on them.


Yes the rule is silly.  Yes it's widely ignored, even by the FCC.  No, 
unc

Re: [WISPA] MT Babble

[Tim Kerns]

Why $200 more?

At $200 if the vendor sell 10 systems, that is $2000, almost 66% of the 
certification cost returned. Sell 100 and that is $20,000, a lot more than 
the cost of certification.


Certification should not raise the price of a unit more than a few dollars, 
but then we have greed set in don't we?


At $20 more per, 100 units is $2000 and 1000 units is $20,000.  So break 
even for a vendor is less than 200 units going by the cost Jack has shared 
with us. I would think that vendors are looking to sell a lot more than just 
200 units, aren't they?


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble


I would.  I already committed to my guy that he will be my source for 
whatever he makes that I could use.  $200 more isn't really that much of a 
difference on the AP.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble


I said this several months ago and I'll say it again MT and Star-OS 
are used because of price. Period.


If the "certified" systems come out and are double the price (so $400 for 
a RB532 type solution compared with $200 now) how many people are going 
to start using the certified ones? Very few. Even if it's only $50 extra, 
are people really going to pay that much extra when so far they haven't 
worried about it?


Travis
Microserv

Matt Liotta wrote:

George Rogato wrote:

Matt
The reason we like stuff MT and Star, it works and we like it.


I'm glad it works and that you like it because you like it. That doesn't 
really help me understand why one would choose MT over something else. I 
mean there has to be something beyond that you like it if you are 
willing to use it in favor of something else that is certified.


I don't really care for the whole discussion of whether certified gear 
should be used or not. Every piece of gear has advantages and 
disadvantages as well as pricing considerations. Regardless of whether 
someone is willing to use uncertified gear, I am sure that given the 
choice between uncertified and certified everyone would choose certified 
every time. Therefore, uncertified gear is at a disadvantage to other 
gear, so it must make up for this disadvantage some other way or no one 
would choose it. What is MT's advantage?


-Matt


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Re: [WISPA] I repeat, Who is STRICTLY legal 100%?

[Tim Kerns]

Ok... we've been down this road before. STOP NOW,

There is no need to rip WISPA apart AGAIN over this issue.

This is the general list and all of these messages are open to everyone 
through Google search. This continued debate on certification will only in 
the end destroy WISPA. I ask again STOP IT NOW.


Tim
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 9:51 AM
Subject: [WISPA] I repeat, Who is STRICTLY legal 100%?


It looks like the list is about to go down the finger pointing exercise of 
legalities, perceptions of legality, and interpretations of minutia.


That is probably not a good idea so in the true tradition of "casting the 
first stone", let me say this:


If you are absolutely certain that you are absolutely legal and you are 
willing to make that assertion on list then you have a dog in this fight.


Otherwise you probably done have a dog in this fight.

:)
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Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?

[Tim Kerns]

WE have 2 trucks for installs and signal checks. The 1st we bought 2 years 
ago and it is a large step van with a boom bucket on top. Kind of looks like 
a bread truck with half the front windshield cut away for the bucket. It has 
a reach of 44 feet from the ground.


The 2nd truck we bought about 6 weeks ago. It is a large flat bed truck with 
an 80 ft boom crane/bucket on it. This is the ones you see sign companies 
use to hang signs. 80 feet is a long way up. It weighs in at approx 24 k lbs 
and does not need a special class drivers license.


Look around and you can find some pretty good deals out there.

Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Michael J. Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Want a bucket truck?



Tom;

A snorkel is a bucket truck that is used to get above the fire and spray 
water down on the fire.


It is a diesel and the boss says six miles to the gallon.

You will need a commercial driver's license with air brakes certification. 
It is a specialty truck to be sure, you aren't going to use one of these 
for installs.  The thing weighs 46,000 lbs and you can tell where it has 
been.  A smaller snorkel might be good for installs, say a 40' rig?  This 
is an 80' rig.


-m-

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Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE

[Tim Kerns]

MSRP $ 159


- Original Message - 
From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE



Any clue on a cost for these?

Jory Privett
WCCS

- Original Message - 
From: "Gino Villarini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 12:41 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Nice CPE


http://www.ubnt.com/ps2.php4


Gino A. Villarini
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Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel  787.273.4143   fax   787.273.4145

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[WISPA] Is ATT now a SPAMMER???

[Tim Kerns]

I received a SPAM e-mail for a company that offers mass e-mailing  
http://pws.prserv.net/describe/RFQsales.html


I traced the domain back to ATT Global Services., abuse is back to ATT also. 
So is ATT Global Service the SPAMMER?

Anyone know anything about this company?

Just what we need . 1 million SPAMs for $299 and 50 million SPAMS for 
$3000.


Thanks,

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] commercial router

[Tim Kerns]

Look at Sonic Wall, they have a subscription service for filtering, but will 
set you back $700-$1000.



- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: [WISPA] commercial router



Hi All,

I have a customer that's looking for a router that also does content 
filtering.


What are people using these days?

Prices?

thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

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Re: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.

[Tim Kerns]

Speaking of CALEA Statements. how many receive the newsletter from 
NetEqualizer? I thought it was really direct and straight forward, 
specifically about "compliance"


My disclaimer:  I don't have any connection to Netequalizer, I don't even 
have one of their products. Tim



The following Q&A will address NetEqualizer's capabilities in reference to 
CALEA compliance.



1. Functionally, what does the Netequalizer CALEA release provide?

We provide a network probe with the following capabilities:

 a.. It will allow an ISP or other operator to comply with a basic warrant 
for information about a user by capturing and sending IP communications in 
real time to a third party.

 b.. Communication may be captured by headers or headers and content.


2. In what format is the data portion sent to a law enforcement agency?

We will provide basic descriptive tags identifying headers, data, and time 
stamps, along with HEX or ASCII representation of content data.




3. Do you meet the standards of the receiving law enforcement agency?

The law and specifications on "how" to deliver to a law enforcement agency 
are somewhat ambiguous. The FBI has created some detailed specifications, 
but the reality is that there are some 40,000 law enforcement agencies and 
they are given autonomy on how they receive data. We do provide samples on 
how to receive NetEqualizer-captured data on a third party server, but are 
unable to guarantee definite compliance with any specific agency.




4. Does the NetEqualizer do any analysis of the data?

No. We are only providing a probe function.



5. Is the NetEqualizer release fully CALEA compliant?

Although the law (see CALEA sections 103 and 107(a)(2)) is fairly specific 
on what needs to be done, the how is not addressed to any level of detail to 
which we can engineer our solution. Many people are following the ATIS 
specification which was put forth by the FBI, and we have read and attempted 
to comply with the probe portion of that specification. But, the reality is 
that there is no one agency given the authority to test a solution and bless 
it as compliant. So, if faced with a warrant for information, the law 
enforcement agency in charge may indeed want something in slightly different 
formats. If this is the case, there may be additional consulting.


As best we can tell at this time, there is no one government agency that can 
fully declare our technology CALEA compliant. However, we do pledge to work 
with our customers should they be faced with a warrant for information to 
adjust and even customize our solution; however additional fees may apply.



For more information on NetEqualizer and CALEA, visit our extended Q&A page 
at http:// www.netequalizer.com/caleafaq.php. Additional information on 
CALEA itself can be found at http://www.askcalea.org.


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Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

[Tim Kerns]

I believe the FCC has the authority to fine up to $10k per incident.


- Original Message - 
From: "Smith, Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 3:22 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?


how much is the fine ?

Where's it specified ?

(SERIOUS question.)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of ralph
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 5:40 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

Sure, if you can afford the FCC fine!
Please post when/where you do this. ;-)



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 8:22 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?

"as a complete system".



Does that mean we can take a 532 board and a cm9 and use it elsewhere
and consider it certified ?



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2007 12:39 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?



Good point. They must have gotten FCC approval as a complete system over
a year ago.

Travis
Microserv

Frank Crawford wrote: 


Travis;
"The router board also connects to a MiniPCI CM9 wireless board that
functions as a WiFi Access Point."

Page 5, Section 2, Paragraph 1 of trango's mesh manual, the trango atlas
radios are for backhaul.

hope this helps

frank


- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: "WISPA General List" 
 
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 12:25 PM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless info ?


 


The Trango MESH box uses Trango radios (thus FCC certified) and
an RB532
for doing the routing. The RB is NOT providing any wireless
service.

Travis
Microserv

George Rogato wrote:
   


If the mesh box that is a MT box is legit and certified,
why not just
drop trango from the picture?
What is the purpose of trango ?


Dawn DiPietro wrote:
 


Frank,

Then I would suggest Rick go the Trango route.

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro

Frank Crawford wrote:
   


Trango's mesh box uses rb532 plus
daughter bd and mikrotik OS. It's
in thier
manual.
Frank

- Original Message - From: "Dawn
DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
To: "WISPA General List"
  
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:12 AM

Subject: Re: [WISPA] School WiFi /
Wireless info ?



 


Rick,

I have to agree with Ralph on this one.
Since you have admitted on a
public list that you believe there are
no certified Mikrotik
systems out
there it would not be in your best
interest to start off with such a

   


system.

 


Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


ralph wrote:

   


The first thing I'd do in a case like
that, is use an FCC approved

 


system to

 


start with.  The fact that you don't
plan to leaves you open for

 


controversy

 


from the beginning.

Why would you do anything else?

Ralph

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 8:44 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] School WiFi / Wireless
info ?

We're looking to provide service to a
school nearby, using
Mikrotik and
SR5 / SR9 cards.

Anyone have proposals to a school with
info in it addressing the
issue
of "will you fry our children" ?



 


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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval

[Tim Kerns]

Please see inline...


- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission's 
Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval



Under the normal Part-15 rules, the only devices allowed to have a "non 
unique" connector are devices labeled for and sold only to "professional 
installers".


The problem is, there isn't really a good explanation of what a part-15 
professional installer is.


What I've been told by the FCC is that the intent is that any device where 
it's easy to mix and match parts (remember that you could only use 
specifically certified antennas before 2005) was to only be sold to a pro 
installer.  Literally, it was illegal for a vendor to sell us an ap 
without also including the cable and antenna for it.


To be a pro installer we're supposed to have been manufacturer trained on 
a specific piece of gear (I was trained on p-com and wmux gear in the bad 
ol' wpcs days).  The reasoning was that it's possible to use a certified 
combination of radio, cable, and antenna, and STILL exceed the EIRP 
limits. So we're supposed to have been trained on the device so we'd not 
accidentally assemble and configure an illegal version of a legal kit.


up to here I agreewith you.



The new rules specifically say that these rules do NOT apply to a device 
designed for a professional installer.  If you're not sure that your 
device is for a pro installer, look in the manual.  If it's got an n 
connector on it, it should also say that it's only available to 
professional installers.

***

From the new rule:
4. The modular transmitter must comply with the antenna requirements of 
Section 15.203 and 15.204(c). The antenna must either be permanently 
attached or employ a "unique" antenna coupler (at all connections between 
the module and the antenna, including the cable). Any antenna used with the 
module must be approved with the module, either at the time of initial 
authorization or through a Class II permissive change. The "professional 
installation" provision of Section 15.203 may not be applied to modules.


In other words it MUST ALWAYS have a unique connector

***
This from part 15 says that the "unique" conector is NOT required if 
intended for a "professional installer" The "N" connector is considered a 
"unique connector"
Section 15.203 Antenna requirement.An intentional radiator shall be designed 
to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party 
shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or 
of an antenna that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall 
be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this Section. The 
manufacturer may design the unit so that a broken antenna can be replaced by 
the user, but the use of a standard antenna jack or electrical connector is 
prohibited. This requirement does not apply to carrier current devices or to 
devices operated under the provisions of Sections 15.211, 15.213, 15.217, 
15.219, or 15.221. Further, this requirement does not apply to intentional 
radiators that must be professionally installed, such as perimeter 
protection systems and some field disturbance sensors, or to other 
intentional radiators which, in accordance with Section 15.31(d), must be 
measured at the installation site. However, the installer shall be 
responsible for ensuring that theproper antenna is employed so that the 
limits in this Part are not exceeded.


**


That rule has been TOTALLY ignored by everyone.  We are, as users of this 
gear day in and day out, assumed to be professional installers so we don't 
have to buy devices with only unique connectors or buy only in kits (like 
a Linksys dsl router etc.).


TRUE. all radios are to be sold with cable and antennas



Again, I'd LOVE to see a real mix and match capability where we could use 
anyone's radio with anyone's amp and antenna.  But they clearly aren't yet 
ready to go there.


The mix/match can still ONLY be with antennas that were certified with the 
radio module / firmware.




Just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, I've asked for some time 
with the head of OET (the FCC folks that write these rules).  I'll pass 
along what he says once I'm able to talk to him about it.


Thanks, looking forward to response.



Hope that helps,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!

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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval

[Tim Kerns]

- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181>
This new ruling is clearly aimed at the Dells, HPs, Toshibas etc. of the 
world.  Not at us.  If you can find a source at the FCC that'll say 
otherwise I'd LOVE to hear from them.  90% of the networks out there have 
changed something that will take them out of compliance, this rule would 
bring almost all of them back into compliance.


This is where I don't see that we are any different. What is the difference 
between an IPAQ, Dell, and SBC's  like WRAP, Gateworks, Metro, etc. They are 
computers, they are base units that a radio module is installed into, they 
run an OS. Their primary purpose is to be a computer and we the WISP 
community have used them to become AP's or Clients. My Dell laptop with it's 
installed minipci radio is a "Client". And if I chose to install other 
software it can be an AP. The only thing I see my laptop from being legal is 
if I chose to attach a different antenna than what is already there. But if 
the manufacture of that radio had certified it with say a 24bd grid then I 
could attach that grid to the laptop and still be legal.


Again this is MY wishful understanding of this new rule.

Tim

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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the, Commission's Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval

[Tim Kerns]

gt; applied

> to modules.
>
> Regards,
> Dawn DiPietro
>
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>> And look as I might, I have trouble find what antennae the card 
>> vendor is

>> certified with.
>>
>> From other discussions, I would ask a couple of additional questions. 
>> If
>> we assume we can find a mPCI card that has WISP usable antennae in 
>> its

>> certification then:
>> 1) Couldn't someone just get an RBxxx or WRAP or whatever SBC 
>> certified

>> as a base unit and we could put the card in it?
>> 2) If an SBC is certified without an enclosure, is it still certified 
>> if

>> it is in a box?
>>
>> Here is what I am thinking.  If we would get  an SBC certified bare 
>> as a
>> base unit then we could use it with various cards in whatever 
>> enclosure

>> we want to use.  The FCC seems to be interested in RF noise being
>> emitted.  I don't think there are very many enclosures that increase 
>> the
>> RF output, so if a bare SBC is certified, putting it in a box 
>> shouldn't

>> negate the certification.  That would be like saying I can't put my
>> laptop in a suitcase if the laptop is powered on.
>>
>> If this is the case, getting some of the equipment many of  us use in 
>> our
>> operations certified may not be as hard as once thought.  And if we 
>> can
>> show the mPCI makers the advantage of including some of the antennae 
>> we

>> use in their certifications, we may be able to legally use a lot more
>> equipment.
>> Jack Unger wrote:
>>> Scott,
>>>
>>> I believe that your comments are substantially correct.
>>>
>>> The main problem that I see with building our own equipment is that 
>>> very
>>> few (if any) manufacturers of modular wireless cards have certified 
>>> them
>>> with a range of usable external WISP-grade antennas. I don't think 
>>> this
>>> 2nd Report and Order changes that. Also, remember that the software 
>>> used
>>> must limit operation of the complete system only to those 
>>> frequencies

>>> and power levels that are legal in the U.S.
>>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott Reed wrote:
>>>> I haven't read it really well and I have not yet looked up the
>>>> referenced sections of Part 15, but I read the part that is not 
>>>> about
>>>> "split modular" to be the part the refers to a PC.  And I read it 
>>>> that

>>>> if the PC is certified to have radio cards AND the radio card is
>>>> certified with an antenna, then that PC, radio card and antenna can 
>>>> be

>>>> used.
>>>>
>>>> So, if that is true, then Tim may be on the right track.  Jack is
>>>> right, not any "base," but I would read it that any "certified 
>>>> base" is

>>>> doable.
>>>> I have often wondered how it works for laptops, but hadn't bothered 
>>>> to
>>>> find it.  This makes sense.  Ubiquiti certifies the CM9 card with a 
>>>> set
>>>> of antennae.  Dell certifies the laptop for a radio card.  Putting 
>>>> a

>>>> CM9 in Dell's laptop is fine as long as it connects to an antenna,
>>>> using the proper cable, that was certified with the CM9.
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, if MT can get an RBxxx board certified as a "base" unit, 
>>>> we
>>>> should be able to use a CM9 in that RBxxx with the proper antenna 
>>>> and
>>>> be good.  The "gotcha" here is those sections of Part 15 I have not 
>>>> yet
>>>> followed up on.  I am not sure what the "professional installer" 
>>>> stuff

>>>> is about.
>>>>
>>>> What am I missing or is this good news?
>>>>
>>>> Jack Unger wrote:
>>>>> Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying
>>>>> that a certified mini PCI radio can be put into any "base" unit.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think what the FCC is doing is:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a
>>>>> legal modular assembly is.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data
>>>>> inputs, and power supply regulati

Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the ,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equ ipment approval

[Tim Kerns]

I find reading all these notices very difficult... I think they hire writers 
just to confuse us


Ok, here is my thoughts..

Manufacture A designs and builds a radio card (minipci), and develops the 
firmware to operate it.They then get FCC certification for this radio, 
firmware, and (hopefully) several antenna and "like".


PC manufacture B then purchases this radio and firmware to incorporate into 
this device.  Before,  this PC should have been sent for FCC certification 
with this specific radio, firmware, and "like" antenna. Now if the PC 
manufacture wanted to use one from Mfg A or one from Mfg B then they would 
need to FCC certify each case. Sound familiar?


As I read this, the PC manufacture would now only need to put a label 
stating that this PC has radio with FCC cert # . installed.


If this is the case, how do we differ? We use the same firmware and radio 
combo, the only problem I see is radio manufactures only certify with small 
db antenna. If they would certify with 14, 19 and 24 db, then I don't see 
why we would be any different. This rule still needs the unique connector. I 
also don't see any distinction between being a "client" or an AP in this 
rule. I see this rule only as radiation concerns.


Tim


- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s 
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




Tim,

I read the 2nd Report and Order and I don't see where it is saying that a 
certified mini PCI radio can be put into any "base" unit.


I think what the FCC is doing is:

1. Providing eight criteria that clarify the definition of what a legal 
modular assembly is.


2. Allowing some flexibility regarding on-module shielding, data inputs, 
and power supply regulation.


3. Clarifying the definition of what a "split" modular assembly is.

4. Defining the (somewhat flexible) requirements that a "split" modular 
assembly must meet.


Although a motherboard will certainly contain an operating system, I don't 
think that a mini PCI radio plugged into any motherboard meets the FCC's 
definition of a "split" modular assembly. I think the FCC considers a 
"split" modular assembly to be where circuitry that today would be 
contained on a single modular assembly is (now or in the future) "split" 
between two different physical assemblies. This splitting allows more 
equipment design flexibility because one "transmitter control element" 
(the new term that the FCC formerly called the module "firmware") could 
theoretically be interfaced with and control more than one "radio front 
end" (the amplifier and antenna-connecting) section.


Of course, that's just my interpretation. I'll bet others could add more 
detail. The bottom line is - I don't think this 2nd Report and Order 
contains anything that will substantially change the way we do business.


jack



Tim Kerns wrote:
Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini 
pci radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be 
put into ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking 
for?


Tim

- Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s 
Rules for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest 
to the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the ,Commission’s Rules for unlicensed devices and,equ ipment approval

[Tim Kerns]

Am I reading this correctly Does this mean that if a mfg of a mini pci 
radio gets it certified with different antenna, that it then can be put into 
ANY base unit and be certified?


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what we have been asking for?

Tim

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From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission’s Rules 
for unlicensed devices and,equipment approval




All,

I just received this document and thought it might be of some interest to 
the list.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-56A1.pdf

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro
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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

[Tim Kerns]

Matt,

Is this latest news? The last I heard was adi had certified their board in 
their enclosure with a couple different antennas, but never heard what OS 
they were running. Also, to be certified you would have to purchase the 
units pre-assembled from ADI.

Remember the certification goes to the manufacturer.



- Original Message - 
From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 4:23 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps



Wrong.

ADI Engineering has a certified StarOS/War Board combo, with a choice of 
cards.  I am currently evaluating them for my future backhauls.


Matt Larsen
vistabeam.com


Smith, Rick wrote:

Nope, not FCC certified.  What Mikrotik / Star-OS systems are ?  None.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:15 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

Rick,

Can you tell me if this system you suggested is FCC Certified?

Regards,
Dawn DiPietro


Smith, Rick wrote:


use an XR5 (ubiquity) card as radios, with mikrotik, a 24 dbi panel on
the aesthetic end from pac wireless.
3' dish on the other end.  You'll have more than enough margin.

Don't ever ever ever use an amp on anything.  you only amplify your
problems.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]


On


Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 7:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] 5GHz Amps

I'm needing to do a 14-mile link at 5.8GHz.  I will have to use a
15"-or-so flat panel antenna due to building owner's asthetics
requirements.  On this 8-story building, I'll mount to the side of the
masonry, then I'll have about 25 feet of LMR-400 from the antenna to a
weatherproof enclosure with 110v power.

On the other side I'll be 100' up on a tower on a hilltop, and I can


use


a higher-gain antenna.

I believe I'll have to use an amplifier to achieve this.

Soo...

A) Am I incorrect about this?

B) If I'm correct, what 5GHz amps have you found to be effective?

C) Opinions on using regular or bi-directional amps?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

[Tim Kerns]

Chase,

Thanks for stopping by... got your flack suit on :)

I have one set up as a hot spot, it looks like it is either free or paid, 
not some of both. I do not run dhcp so I had to go into the unit and change 
the settings giving it a static IP. This was not a problem once I discovered 
the password was the serial number.


It appears to me that these will not allow client traffic until they are 
authenticated via Meraki dashboard.  I don't mind this as long as this is 
for a hot spot, but I would like to use them at a customer to provide a mesh 
network within their home or property. For this I want it to be "closed", 
but I don't want the unit to have to "call home" before it will allow 
traffic.


It would be great to have the dashboard on one of my servers so I could then 
control them. With this I could see deploying nearly one or two at every 
customer I provide service to. I think we are maybe looking at these units 
to do something different than the original intent and that is not as a hot 
spot, but as a "local" mesh network.


Thanks,

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.
- Original Message - 
From: "Chase Phillips" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 11:24 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Main Street USA



Hi,

John asked me to pop in and say "hi" on behalf of Meraki.  He and I go
way back.  Whatever questions you guys have I'll be happy to answer.

A little about me: Been at Meraki since September of last year.
Worked at MVN, NCSA, and Mozilla.  Volunteered on CUWiN from 2002 to
2006 with Dave, Sascha, Bryan, and others.  Been involved in NS4CWN in
2004 and 2006.

Rick Smith asks:

OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ?

i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of
merakii (hah!)

or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ?


I've not set up a Mikrotik hotspot before but based on product photos
I assume it can connect upstream via wired and wireless (functioning
as a client to an AP in an infrastructure network) connections.  In
both scenarios, the Meraki Mini can function as that upstream
connection.

Of course, the Mini can function as a hotspot as well.  If you have
specific feature requirements that would simplify and enhance your
deployments, I'm excited to hear about them.  We think you're all
doing great work!

Regards,
Chase
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Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA

[Tim Kerns]

We have one installed as a free hotspot for now while we test. As a hotspot 
it is working great. The issue I have with the units is from what I see they 
MUST "call home" to get configuration and will not allow data or clients to 
pass until it does. Also I believe they are using some sort of tunnel, I can 
tracert from one to a public site, but if I try to ping one of my AP in my 
network or SSH into one it fails.


I think these would be great if we could install the control software on one 
of our servers, but I don't want any of my clients internet connections to 
be controlled by a 3rd party, or not have access because the Meraki site is 
either not available or running slow as it seemed to be last Friday.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: "Dylan Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 6:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Main Street USA



The Meraki nodes are configured through the central web dashboard. All
payments go through Meraki, and they get their cut (I'm not sure what that
is). The access controls are just lists of MAC addresses to be allowed or
bypass the captive portal. There's no support for RADIUS.

You *could* extend a Mikrotik hotspot with Meraki, though.

On 4/19/07, Smith, Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


OK, but can we as wisps use the meraki units on our own ?

i.e. can we use it to extend mikrotik hotspots out through a mesh of
merakii (hah!)

or, do we have to pay Meraki to use their hotspot stuff ?



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Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company

[Tim Kerns]

IS THIS INFO CURRENT

I seem to recall a few months ago what I believe is the same exchange of 
e-mails.


Tim

- Original Message - 
From: "Jeff Broadwick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 7:17 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company



Forbes is on the west coast, so when you sent your note at 9AM EST, it was
6AM there...give him a bit of time to get his coffee and get online.  He's 
a

fair man, and if you are correct, I'm sure it will be straightened out.

Jeff


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Basil Karjohn
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 9:00 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company

When I came aware of this I called Mr Forbes offices and he was never in, 
I

sent him an email to contact us regarding this matter, we have not heard
from him. I question Mr Forbes as a good operator and businessman conduct 
if

so why did he not contact our office to clirify this stuation,

Comment by Mr Forbes:

It's a shame we can't just shoot these people.   Like I was telling one of
my employees today, there are so many ways to honestly make money that 
these
people that spend all their energy defrauding people are such a waste of 
our

oxygen.  There you are warned, my friends

Is this a  good operator and a fine businessman ?


we are only responding to his article as he has damage our credibility, Mr
Forbes and his Companies is the one that has taken this issue into several
newsgroup, therefore he need to retract this statement. We have all
documentation pertaining to this matter. I am still waiting on his 
response.


Where is Mr Forbes ?
I would appreciate his responce as he is the one that posted this.
What is the motive behind this?

See comments from other members that have posted responce from this 
article

We are committed to customer satisfaction

I will be more that happy to discuss this with Mr forbes, so he may 
retract

this statement and have this matter settled.


Rick Harnish  onlyinternet.net> writes:


Obviously, in our busy industry, mistakes are bound to happen.  I suggest
Forbes and Basil get together and work this out offlist.  I'm sure that a
cordial exchange can provide beneficial to both parties without damaging
each others credibility or taking the issue into the courts.  Forbes is a
good operator and a fine businessman, I'm sure he will make his attempt to
rectify the situation and I'm sure you will too Basil.
This isn't the first time that there has been issues between customers and
vendors brought on list to force the issue.  I personally think sometimes
that is needed.  Once done, though please close your business transactions
offlist and hopefully report a successful closure once it is done.

Thank you,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482
Founding Member of WISPA

-Original Message-
From: wireless-bounces  wispa.org [mailto:wireless-bounces 
wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Basil Karjohn
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 6:33 AM
To: wireless  wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Warning Fradulent Company

Forbes Mercy  nwinfo.net> writes:


The company http://www.wlansolution.com/ and last week it was
http://www.senao-us.com/ is a
fraudulent company that is trying to rip off companies buying Wireless
card and said they were going to drop ship our Rootenna's out of Pacific
Wireless in three days.  Pacific
Wireless doesn't know who they are and never received an order but then
they
talked to their partner
company who got the order but never was sent payment.

Senao then said they had called here many times and never did then this
weekend we were suddenly signed up for
a calling card from http://nobelcom.com using our company number and it
was
traced back to Senao so we had
to cancel the company card.  The bank had already credited the amount
stating this company has a long
history of fraud.  After we tried emailing the company again today they
sent
an answer to the wrong name
saying it's now coming Tuesday.  We don't know what to think because it's
now two weeks late and before any of
you try them you should know what you could be up against.  We now ordered

from someone else.

It's a shame we can't just shoot these people.   Like I was telling one of

my employees today, there are so many
ways to honestly make money that these people that spend all their energy
defrauding people are such a
waste of our oxygen.  There you are warned, my friends.

Forbes Mercy
President - Washington Broadband, Inc.


I am the owner of this company, and I came across this article, I have
given

Mr Forbes the oppertunity to contact our office, And we have not heard 
from


him,  He is in hiding, This information is incorrect and I encurage him to
contact us by the email I sent him with our contact information. there 
will

be
legal action taken against him and his companies.
Basil Karjohn
Wireless solution





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Re: [WISPA] Form 445

[Tim Kerns]

John.

Include CV-Access, Inc.

Thanks,

Tim Kerns

- Original Message - 
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445


Kris Twomey says he can handle our filing on behalf of all WISPA members 
and that he can do it with just a company name for now. He will file for 
all of WISPA operators who wish and include company names of those who 
want to be included. No names will be included who have already filed 
themselves or do not wish to file for whatever reason. Obviously a 
Canadian company would not need to file a US mandated issue like this. 
Are you wanting to be included?

Scriv


cw wrote:

This is wonderful but you would need our FRN. Are you saying we don't 
have to have this postmarked today?


John Scrivner wrote:

If you are a paid WISPA Principal Member then you do not have to 
worry about filing your CALEA Form 445. Kris Twomey is handling it 
for all paid WISPA Principal Members who want it done for them. They 
are allowing later filing now. Kris will be filing on behalf of all 
paid WISPA Principal Members. All you have to do is reply to the 
email and say, "Include me in WISPA 445 Filing" and include your 
official, legal company name. That's it. Your filing will be 
complete.This is being done as a benefit of WISPA membership at NO 
CHARGE TO YOU. To take advantage of this offer you MUST respond 
within 24 hours, by no later than 3 pm Central time on Tuesday, Feb 
13th. If you are not already a paid WISPA member then this is not 
available to you unless you get us $250 before noon tomorrow Central 
time and fill out the form at http://signup.wispa.org.

John Scrivner
President
WISPA



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Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

[Tim Kerns]

The die cast would be stronger... the issue is the mount only makes contact 
at the 3 screws to the grid, this allows the grid to flex and move in the 
wind. On a 2.4 feed horn the square tube has a "U" shape clamp that ties the 
grid and feed horn to the mount making it stronger. I spoke to support @ 
PacWireless over 18 months ago, I was told they were looking at the mount, 
but never heard if it was redesigned. I might add that using the grid in the 
horizontal position, it does not flex as much.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion


Is it the mount or the grid itself.  I haven't noticed it with the mount, 
but I know moving the wire grids around they will deflect.  Get a couple 
of the die-cast ones if you don't have any and see if they are better.


Tim Kerns wrote:

Mac,
Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I 
have 4 in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in 
the wind. I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion


I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or 
a
roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much 
less
expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the 
ease

of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer
unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish.

Mac Dearman

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

Are we preferring their grids to dishes?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message - From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion



Mark,

 I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi 
grids,
MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I 
have

built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their
antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango
dual
polarity ext's.

Mac Dearman

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 
5

GHz

antennas and what to choose.  Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul
with
a CM9.  Currently, I've got two applications:

1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over.

2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over.

What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these...

Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can 
be

adjusted.  Experience?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
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Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

[Tim Kerns]

Mac,
Have PacWireless made any changes to the mount on the 29db grids... I have 4 
in use and the mount isn't very solid. The grid deflects a lot in the wind. 
I can watch the signal go up and down as it moves.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

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From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion



I do use their dishes where I have a large enough tower, water tower or a
roof. I will tell ya though - - the 29dbi grids are mighty fine, much less
expensive than a solid dish, wind load is no comparison as well as the 
ease

of mounting. If you are leasing tower space - - the grid is a no brainer
unless you have to have the extra db that comes with a dish.

Mac Dearman

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Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 2:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

Are we preferring their grids to dishes?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
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From: "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 12:18 PM
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Mark,

 I have several 8 mile 5.3GHz links (YMMV) using PacWireless 26dbi grids,
MT & CM9's. IMHO you can't go wrong using the PacWireless antennas. I 
have

built a wireless network that covers 12% of Louisiana utilizing their
antennas exclusively for my BH. Well - I do have several of the Trango
dual
polarity ext's.

Mac Dearman

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:12 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 5.3/5.8 GHz Antenna Suggestion

I have usually used Trango backhauls, so I have not had to worry about 5
GHz

antennas and what to choose.  Now I'm going to try a MikroTik backhaul
with
a CM9.  Currently, I've got two applications:

1. 2-mile link that I can perhaps use 5.3GHz over.

2. 8-mile link that I'll go 5.8GHz over.

What antennas have you used to accomplish links such as these...

Also, kI have heard that the output power of the CM9 in a MikroTik can be
adjusted.  Experience?

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax



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Re: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

[Tim Kerns]

Matt,

The Orthagon 600 series is supposed to do 300 mb on a 30 Mhz channel. I 
believe they do this using both vert and hor polarity. Is this the system 
you are out growing?


Tim Kerns

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Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 8:39 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options


While I'm a fan of MikroTik, the test setup you show is not a viable
solution in a real world deployment.

Best,

Brad

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrea Coppini (AIR Networks)
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 10:27 AM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

Are you looking at Unlicensed?  I'm a fan of Mikrotik for high throughput,
long distance links.  With bonding you can easily get > 100Mbps speeds, just
keep adding links as your need grows.

See this:  150 Mbps FDX, unlicensed, with failover
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Super_wireless_test



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Sent: 12 December 2006 4:44 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] high throughput backhaul options

Guys,

We are now exceeding Orthogon's capacity on a regular basis. We are
backhauling as much as we can with fiber, but that isn't an option in the
suburbs. We have had good success with BridgeWave's products, but the
distance is a problem. Any suggestions on a product that can do high
throughput in the 5-10 mile range? I am looking for something that can
easily exceed 100Mbps full duplex. I know the specs of the Orthogon Spectra
and no it doesn't really get us past 100Mbps full duplex.

24Ghz unlicensed is looking like the sweet spot for us.

-Matt
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Re: [WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

[Tim Kerns]

As a common carrier I can understand and agree. What about providing E-mail 
services to our customers, do we then need to keep copies of all e-mail that 
comes into or goes out our server?


Tim Kerns

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We are common carriers.  We no more have to copy peoples e-mail than the 
phone company has to record the contents of every call.


Tim Kerns wrote:

I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping 
copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for 
use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more 
info on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be 
disasterious. sell alot of storage devices... The Foxnews report says 
the requirement begins today and as usual not a lot of detail.


Tim Kerns
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[WISPA] New Recording LAW in effect today?

[Tim Kerns]

I caught a brief report on FoxNews today about a requirement for keeping 
copies of E-mail. It seems that we may be required to maintain a copy for 
use at later time for criminal courts. Anyone know of this or have more info 
on it? Is it every ISP or only Corporations. This could be disasterious. 
sell alot of storage devices... The Foxnews report says the requirement 
begins today and as usual not a lot of detail.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

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Re: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles

[Tim Kerns]

Tom,

You might consider using a TV antenna rotor, the degree of motion may not be 
as  fine as you desire, but I'm sure you could modify the controls to work 
off a relay. Also, dlink has a couple cameras that not only have audio in, 
but with an amp'd speaker can have audio out. They do have limited 
connections to control a relay, I think one or 2. Using a couple micro 
switches you could also control the rotation to prevent more than 360 
degrees, but I believe the TV rotor also prevents this.


Another thought is you may be able to use the pan and tilt circuitry to 
control a TV rotor? These can be controlled over Ethernet or through a 
wireless camera connection.


Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 8:21 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Motor controlled rotating poles


For the longest time, I wanted to build a solution to do the following, 
from each of our Master Cell Sites


1) Rotate a IP Camera 360 deg (remotely over an IP connection)
2) Rotate a Pole with a Trango Fox 5800SU on it 360 deg (remotely over IP 
connection).


The purpose is two fold

When Link quality severally degrades for a short period, either packet 
loss or rssi,


1) To discover/view when there is a third party worker working on the roof 
of our cell site.
 (Who may be standing in front of antennas periodically or testing 
gear that interfers without getting pre-approved)


2) To do a spectrum site survey, on the fly in any direction, to find the 
least noisy channel, WITHOUT taking the primary sector antenna down 
(offline).


By having the radio and the camera on the same pole, it would help confirm 
which direction we were pointing exactly when doing the survey. One of the 
other requirements is that it won't turn more that 360 in one direction to 
prevent cable CAT5 breaking, and to ahve a refference of the starting 
point in deg, calibrated to a known direction (north 0 deg?).   What would 
REALLY be cool, is if it had a speaker out put on the camera, so I could 
yell at the worker standing in front of my antenna :-).   I'm aware that 
some camera may have an output for controlling a relay or servo motor, as 
some solutions/platforms exist to mount and rotate a single camera 
attached. Preferably, I'd like a solution that could rotate the pole 
itself. Everything of course would need to be outdoor survivable, and 
strong enough that the pole would stay errect and safe at 200-300 feet up. 
My thought is that maybe the controls could be initiated from the IP 
Camera connections, If I found a rotating platform/pole mount.


Are there any mechanical hobbyists out there, that might suggest the most 
cost effective way to accomplish this?
(My goal is lowest cost, lowest cost, lowest cost, so I can afford to 
replicate the solution at about 20 locations)


Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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Re: [WISPA] ISPCON - Santa Clara Nov. 7-9

[Tim Kerns]

From CV-Access:
 
Tim Kerns and Chuck Profito will be 
attending. We are located just 50 miles due east of Santa Clara in the Central 
Valley of Calif.
 
Tim
 
 
 
 




  
  
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R.Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 5:00 
  PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: [WISPA] ISPCON - Santa Clara 
  Nov. 7-9
   
  Have 
  you seen the sessions and speakers at ISPCON?http://www.ispcon.com/conference/sessionsbytrack.phpWho 
  is going to the WISPA MEMBER RECEPTION AND 
  MEETINGTUESDAY,  
  NOVEMBER 7 @ 6:30 PM - 8:30 PM,  ROOM 201Regards,PeterRAD-INFO, Inc. 
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  http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm
  
  

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Re: [WISPA] WHY? ----- ooops!!!!

[Tim Kerns]

Qwest on data retention laws: 
Oops
 
http://news.com.com/Qwest+on+data+retention+laws+Oops/2100-1028-6108926.html?part=dht&tag=nl.e703
 
Looks like someone may be updating their 
resume.
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Travis Johnson 
  To: WISPA General List 
  Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 6:25 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY?
  Hi,You have to connect to the internet backbone 
  somewhere (even if in multiple locations, etc.). You would simply need a $500 
  PC at each connection. Pretty simple.TravisMicroservMark 
  Koskenmaki wrote: 
  Travis, my network has no such "central" point.   There is no point where my
traffic passes through or can be "mirrored" to a single point at a building.

In less than a year, it will all be dynamically routed via BGP, through
physically diverse locations and providers, and again, traffic from  the
customers will not pass through any place where "logging" can be done.

Nor have I any location to keep such data secure.




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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WHY?


  
Hi,

Although I am totally against this, we are already doing this (and keeping
a year's worth of history). Keep in mind we move about 110Mbps of traffic
average. We setup a linux box (p4/2.8ghz with 1GB of RAM and a 200GB drive)
about a year ago and installed IpAudit. This single box is able to keep up
with the traffic load and helps us track down customers that are infected,
SPAMMING, etc.
  
We simply mirror our main incoming port on our backbone switch to another
port, and plug the IpAudit box into that port. Works great. :)
  
Travis
Microserv

Mark Koskenmaki wrote:
Why?   Because it will severely burden smaller ISP's that lack the network
infrastructure to do this.

Is WISPA lobbying against this?   It will be nearly impossible for most of
us in the wireless business to do this, without major restructuring, or a
huge expense that we can't afford.




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Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: [WISPA] WHY?



http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6108279.html?part=rss&tag=6108279&subj=news
  
  Why would Qwest want ISP's to have to retain this data?

George

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Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story

[Tim Kerns]

Tom,
Am I missing your reply .? this is the 2nd post from you this am that is 
only you signature.


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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:26 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success story




I'm NOT reading this right when you
combine "46 Mbps" and "900 mhz" in the
same paragraph ? -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 11:30 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Trango Atlas success
story


Just completed install for client, that
we quoted blind.  The supposed Near-LOS
partial freznel obstruction from a
building, unfortuneately turned out to
really mean NON-LOS through thick row of
pine trees between buildings.  Buildings
were probably 600 yards away from each
other.  The Trango built-in antenna
model installed pulled 46 mbps
throughput and zero packet loss, perfect
link. WooHoo.  (I know short distance,
but pine trees scare me, and often have
unpredictable results even when doing
900Mhz).

Only negative thing was Trango made the
profit, allowing me only to make $200
markup, instead of the original $1500,
that I had originally covered in my
quote with a Routerboard 532 solution,
that didn't get the 30mbps capacity
requirement. My pocket book, wishes I
had the War/V3 solution a week earlier
:-(

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

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From: "Tom DeReggi"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List"

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: StarOS




Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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From: "cw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "WISPA General List"



Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 2:44

PM

Subject: [WISPA] Re: StarOS



With the nazi administration

currently in power, one should think
twice

before deciding someone shouldn't be

allowed to say or write things. But,

I must say this statement is like a

Linux loon calling FreeBSD crap. - cw


JohnnyO wrote:

I was not interested in reading

posts labled Routerboard 532 and Star-OS

crap. If I were interested in

Star-OS crap instead of Mikrotik, then I

would look for posts labled Star-OS

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Re: [WISPA] Network Storm

[Tim Kerns]

Ron,
 
Are you seeing icmp to other IP's that are 
unreachable along with the icmp to 0.0.0.0 ?
 
I have seen this in the past and looked like it was 
coming from a linksys router. I suspected the router was randomly replying to 
other's IP's, basically causing loops. To isolate I had to disable 
different AP's to discover which AP it was originating from, then acl each 
client until I could isolate to a client, long process in between network hangs. 
The last time this happened to me 90% of my network was bridged. Now I am 90% 
routed and have not seen the problem
 
Tim 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Ron 
  Wallace 
  To: WISPA General List ; William.L. 
  Edwards 
  Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:37 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Network Storm
  
  Thanks Bill.
  -Original Message-From: William.L. 
Edwards [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, August 10, 
2006 10:26 AMTo: ''WISPA General List'', [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: 
[WISPA] Network Storm
It is probably 
peer to peer traffic. That can take a network down very quickly. You will 
have to hunt down which user is hammering your network. Probably BitTorrent 
traffic if I were guessing.
 
 
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  Behalf Of Ron WallaceSent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:16 
  AMTo: wireless@wispa.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
  [WISPA] Network Storm
  
  To all,
   
  I am having a network storm, the first.  All activity light switches on the 
  wireless net are flashing like crazy, both at the data center and customer 
  sites, may not mean much, but it has not happened before.  There is a huge amount of traffic 
  on the canopy sys.  Others 
  have discussed an ICMP storm w/ a (0.0.0.0) address that comes from 
  Linksys & Netgear routers.  
  There are about 20 on my net, of 90 users.
   
  I am a know-nothing at this, and really 
  a hardware/RF guy.  Not 
  familiar with Ethereal or other SW that monitors the net.  What are you all using?  Where do I get it?  What are your thoughts and 
  advice?
   
  Any help or advice you could offer would be 
  greatly appreciated.  I'll do whatever you all advise.
   
  Ron Wallace
  Tigernet
  Phone:  
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Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)

[Tim Kerns]

We have Clearwire in some of the area we serve. I think we have lost one 
customer to them, but we have gotten customers that could not use them. In 
the area where they serve (Modesto, Ceres, Turlock of Ca.) they are trying 
to get the populated areas, competing against DSL and Cable. They provide 
their customers with an indoor CPE and tell them how to connect it, and to 
"move it around" until they can get a good signal. Well 2.5 ghz still does 
not penetrate trees, brick, cement block or stucco homes. We have alot of 
all of these. Also their range seems to be approx 1 to 1.5 miles from their 
towers.


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CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Clearwire is coming to my area. (eek?)



>Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS
loans in our rural areas.

Well he won;t be getting RUS loans, if you are protesting as you should 
be, as RUS loans are for unserved areas, and you obviously are serving it 
already.


Competing against Clearwire is no different than competing againt any 
other ISP or WISP.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I 
don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied 
for in my area?


Not to be a smart alec, but try calling RUS. Their contact info or links 
to them are plastered all over the FCC web page :-)


The problem I see in your case is that they are deploying on the same 
tower as you. It sounds like you don;t have a loyal tower owner or not 
good enough clauses to protect your right to spectrum.  For example is the 
Orthogon equipment using 5.8Ghz?  Are you using 5.8Ghz?  Execute that 
Non-Interference clause, if you can.  Provided you bought the right to 
broadcast at 5.8Ghz first.


The problem with them being on the same tower is, you are competing for 
the exact same clients.  My advice is take advantage of any customer 
awareness that they generate for you.  If you are there first, hopefully 
you know the market better. Time to vamp up your marketing, and running 
your signup promotions.


The good news is that Clearwire's sectors most likely are not going to 
interfere with you (provided using 2.5Ghz or what ever it is).


Just remember the DSL world, when there were 100 ISPs all selling DSL in 
the same town, and there was enough business to go around.


Don't worry about Clearwire, worry about your business. What are you going 
to do to make custoemrs want to use you. Let Clearwire worry about why 
they think customers should chose them instead. Ask your self why 
customers would choose clearwire over you. My answer would be, " no reason 
I could think of".  So you have as much a chance at the client base as 
Clearwire.



Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


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Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 2:32 PM
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I have a tower in rural Western Washington.

Today I went in to find 5 of thier radios still in the box, 1  Orthogon 
systems PTP ethernet bridge, an APS rack etc


So... does anyone else out there compete with Mr McCaw? How does his 
service stack up?


I don't mean to be a "the sky is falling" or conspiracy theory kind  of 
guy but not only is Clearwire suddenly up in this area, but I  think 
Clearwire may be the party that is applying for all of the RUS  loans in 
our rural areas.


And on the RUS loans deal, does anyone know who to complain to if I 
don't feel there was adequate legal notice to the RUS loan being  applied 
for in my area?


ryan
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Re: [WISPA] Critical Time for White Spaces

[Tim Kerns]

Thanks John,

Chuck Profito with CV-Access, Inc. has been making the calls for our 
company.  On some he is just getting a recording and leaving a message.


Thanks again for pushing us on this,

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Critical Time for White Spaces



Scriv,

Any chance that list is still floating around that could be reposted? Or
just let me know who to get a hold of in our wonderful state of IL.

Thanks,
Chadd


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of John Scrivner
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Critical Time for White Spaces

I guess I will answer my own post again. Am I the only guy who called
these Senators after we all put together the list of every member of the
US Senate Commerce Committee and their phone numbers? You can lead a
horse to water...
Scriv




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Re: [WISPA] What list is public and which is private???

[Tim Kerns]

John,

I have this problem all the time trying to figure which is the general and 
which is the members only we need to change one so it is more apparent 
which we are replying to.


My thoughts,

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2006 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [isp-wireless] USF fund reform


I assumed this previous post was on an internal WISPA list server and was 
never meant to be publicly disseminated. I apologize to Marlon for making 
this private internal debate a public issue. I am not looking for any 
public discussion of these internal WISPA discussions. This topic needs to 
go into WISPA membership only list discussion areas now and the topic is 
closed for public discussion. Topic closed.

Deepest regrets,
John Scrivner






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Re: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)

[Tim Kerns]

Ok dream list.

I think for future triple play I would make that 20 mbits
what you mention plus:
multiple freq. by change of radio card ..  for today 900 mhz, 2.4ghz, 
5ghz

support for higher powered radios
single and dual radio versions
QOS
Channel size  5mhz,10mhz etc.
firewall
port forwarding
dual ethernet
POE - prefer standard 48 vdc
small footprint
SNMP
syslogs and remote syslog
watchdog, both ping and hardware
maybe e-mail alerts through self monitoring (could be done through syslogs 
server)

support multiple gateways
temp range for outside installations

as you asked Mark  dream list.

Tim Kerns
CV-Access, Inc.






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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: [WISPA] My CPE dream list (what does yours do, or wish it did?)




What's your CPE do for you...  Or what do you WISH it did for you?

My dream list...

< $100 without antenna
can deliver at least 10 mbit to customer
Routing
nat
DHCP server to client
DHCP client to AP
bandwidth control
Centralized management and configuration
centralized or automatic update


What other things do have or wish your cpe did for you?  Or, 
characteristics

of your CPE?

Let's not get into dsss vs ofdm vs (insert favorite here) etc.





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Re: [WISPA] ping utility

[Tim Kerns]

Glad you found your problem, but those of us who are lazy 
http://www.radmin.com/download/index.php


and look for IPScanner windows based program which will scan a subnet.


- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] ping utility


Thanks everyone.  Turns out I had the POE plugged into the switch instead 
of the "other" black cable that was the one going up the tower.  When I 
plugged the LAN side of the POE into the switch I got 2 lights on the 
switch to turn on.  Then I figured out the little loop.  So I dug into the 
nema box a little deeper and found the correct black cable.  And the radio 
was at default.


Thanks, All.

Blair Davis wrote:


Try this.

http://www.angryziber.com/ipscan/

It works well for me and is free.

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:

Is there a program out there that will work on windows to ping 
addresses?  I hung a Trango AP and don't know it's IP address.  Any way 
to get it?  I think I know what range it's on, but that is a lot of 
addresses to ping.  Any program that will do this?






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Re: [WISPA] satellite imaging company?

[Tim Kerns]

George,

Google's Good Earth, with the plus ($28 a year, I think)  you can do path, 
line etc. Sometimes the pics are 2-3 yrs old, but most of my area is less 
than a year. It has enough detail for me... I can see my horses (be it 
shadows) on my ranch.



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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] satellite imaging company?


I was hoping to find affordable current image of my area with 
Latitude/Longitude.



George


Brian Webster wrote:

George,
What area do you need. If this company has to fly the area to get the
images that price is good. Are you looking for color or b&w, at what
resolution and for what purpose. I know of quite a few different sources 
but

it depends on what you are looking for.



Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com 
Free World Dialup #481416


-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 7:06 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] satellite imaging company?


Anyone have experience with buying imagery for your area from a
satellite imaging company?

I got a quote from one company, but there price at about $48.00 per
square kilometers at minimum 192 square kilometers. They don't have
current pictures of our area archived.

I'm looking for other options and prices.

George
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Re: [WISPA] I need 100% participation RIGHT NOW! This means YOU!

[Tim Kerns]

CV-Access, Inc. has completed filing

Your Confirmation Number is: '2005929700256 '

Thanks John for the heads up..



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Re: [WISPA] test

[Tim Kerns]

It's slow on all the list I'm on I was wondering the same thing.

Tim

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Man is the list this dead ?  OR -  do I have mail server trouble? :-)

Please let it be a slow day on list!!!

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