Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[TjL]

> Webarchives fit in with priority 1 as well. A webarchive is just a
> bundle containing an HTML file and associated graphics files. I have a
> feeling I'll still be able to read HTML files in 30 years on whatever
> computer I'm using.

I suspect the larger issue will be what to do with my massive Yojimbo
library when it's either no longer supported or a move to another
platform or decide that it's just gotten too big for Yojimbo

TjL

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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Jan 12, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Martin Gardner wrote:

I've always thought that print to pdf produced a monolith that could  
never be disassembled again.


I've been having this internal dialog for at least 15 years. Every  
time I think I've hit on the "best" format for storing files for  
archival, my OCD addled brain gently nudges me and says, "Did you  
think about... ?"


For me, there are a few important factors in deciding what format to  
use (in descending order of importance):


1) Will I be able to read this file 10, 20, or 30 years from now?

2) Can I easily convert this document to another format?

3) Does it preserve the original document's format and layout?


For priority 1, plain old ASCII text is the hands down winner. If the  
document doesn't contain any images, links, or formatting necessary to  
preserved the integrity of the document, I save it as a text note in  
Yojimbo. You'd be surprised how many documents you can get away with  
storing this way.


For dealing with web pages, and keeping in mind priorities 2 and 3,  
I've settled on webarchives, for basically the reason you mention.  
Webarchives are the most flexible format in that if I want to convert  
the document to text or pdf, it's easy to do. Going in the other  
direction, not so much.


Webarchives fit in with priority 1 as well. A webarchive is just a  
bundle containing an HTML file and associated graphics files. I have a  
feeling I'll still be able to read HTML files in 30 years on whatever  
computer I'm using.




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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Martin Gardner]

On 10 Jan 2008, at 10:02, Rich Siegel wrote:


Aren't webarchives more flexible/editable than PDF files?


Not in any way that I'm aware. :-)


Using Safari & 10.4,

I can control-click on a .gif in a webarchive and save it independently

I can select a portion of the page including graphics and clip that  
to the clipboard.


I don't know how to do either of these two useful things with a .pdf  
of the webpage.


I've always thought that print to pdf produced a monolith that could  
never be disassembled again.


Martin


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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[TjL]

On 1/10/08, Rich Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 1/10/08 at 1:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Kirksey)
> wrote:
>
> >One big difference is that web archives preserve links, while printing
> >to PDF doesn't.

YES!  Thanks for reminding me... I knew there was a madness to my method :-)


> This may not be universal, but I have a number of PDFs printed
> from web pages in which the web links actually work. It's
> possible that this is a feature of the 3.0 WebKit that is in
> 10.4.11 and later.

Ah, that might be.

So far the easiest answer has been to copy from OmniWeb and then have
Yojimbo capture it in the Quick Entry thingy.  You lose the nice
formatting of images float:left or right but other than that it works
pretty well and I can get just what I want.  Then I go back and copy
the URL and paste that in before sending it into Yojimbo proper.

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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:32 PM, Rich Siegel wrote:

One big difference is that web archives preserve links, while  
printing

to PDF doesn't.


This may not be universal, but I have a number of PDFs printed from  
web pages in which the web links actually work. It's possible that  
this is a feature of the 3.0 WebKit that is in 10.4.11 and later.


Learn something new every day! It does work ... in Safari. Doesn't  
work in Firefox, which is my default browser. Oh well...




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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Rich Siegel]

On 1/10/08 at 1:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenneth Kirksey)
wrote:


One big difference is that web archives preserve links, while printing
to PDF doesn't.


This may not be universal, but I have a number of PDFs printed 
from web pages in which the web links actually work. It's 
possible that this is a feature of the 3.0 WebKit that is in 
10.4.11 and later.


R.
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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Jan 10, 2008, at 9:46 AM, TjL wrote:


Is there a way (OTHER than using Print To Yojimbo) to get a WebArchive
of a webpage to use the Print CSS file?

The new Macworld.com design (which I loathe) took away the easy
printer-friendly URLs.  If you actually print them (even to PDF) you
get a so-called printer-friendly version, but how I like the store web
pages is to make a web archive of them instead.


The solution I settled on is to use the Scrapbook extension in Firefox  
to caputure the parts of the page I want to save. I then save the page  
I captured in scrapbook to Yojimbo.


It's an extra step, but you can automate it using a macro utility  
(e.g. Quickeys or iKey). I posted instructions on how to do that to  
the list a couple of weeks ago.




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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Kenneth Kirksey]

On Jan 10, 2008, at 1:02 PM, Rich Siegel wrote:


Aren't webarchives more flexible/editable than PDF files?


Not in any way that I'm aware. :-)


One big difference is that web archives preserve links, while printing  
to PDF doesn't.


Also, depending on your web browser, printing to PDF can really bork  
the page layout. Firefox seems to be a little better than Safari on  
getting the layout right.


Web archives are also more flexible in the sense that if you have a  
web archive, you can create a pdf or text representation of the page.  
You can't go from a PDF or text to a web archive though.


Just my $0.02.



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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Rich Siegel]

On 1/10/08 at 12:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TjL) wrote:


Aren't webarchives more flexible/editable than PDF files?


Not in any way that I'm aware. :-)


I've always preferred webarchives to PDFs ... But maybe I'm mistaken?


I can't speak to "mistaken" on matters of personal preference. 
I'd suggest giving print-to-PDF a try for this purpose and see 
how it works for you...


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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[TjL]

On Jan 10, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Rich Siegel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 1/10/08 at 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TjL) wrote:

Is there a way (OTHER than using Print To Yojimbo) to get a  
WebArchive

of a webpage to use the Print CSS file?


Since printing to PDF gets you the desired layout, and does so  
today, why not just do that?




Aren't webarchives more flexible/editable than PDF files?

I've always preferred webarchives to PDFs ... But maybe I'm mistaken?

TjL





Curiously,

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Re: Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[Rich Siegel]

On 1/10/08 at 9:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (TjL) wrote:


Is there a way (OTHER than using Print To Yojimbo) to get a WebArchive
of a webpage to use the Print CSS file?


Since printing to PDF gets you the desired layout, and does so 
today, why not just do that?


Curiously,

R.
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Getting printer-friendly version of web page for archive

[TjL]

Is there a way (OTHER than using Print To Yojimbo) to get a WebArchive
of a webpage to use the Print CSS file?

The new Macworld.com design (which I loathe) took away the easy
printer-friendly URLs.  If you actually print them (even to PDF) you
get a so-called printer-friendly version, but how I like the store web
pages is to make a web archive of them instead.

Talking with someone @ Macworld yesterday he indicated it is very
unlikely that the printer friendly URLs are going to make a comeback,
and when he asked why I needed one and I told him about Yojimbo he
suggested that I check to see if Yojimbo could be coaxed into using
the print.css.

I can't find anything that would indicate it can, but I thought I'd ask.

TjL

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