2009/3/20 ron minnich :
> On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:52 PM, James Tomaschke
> wrote:
>> I would suggest the compiler as well, students are probably more familiar
>> with compiler concepts and it will probably be easier to mentor. In the
>> future, the porting work can be distributed over the comm
2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria :
> I was poking around for what it would take to get there. I found
> this[1]. I am basically looking to have a way to do routing using Plan
> 9. You can already do that on any standard Linux using Quagga[2] based
> on GNU Zebra.
>
> Maybe there is a filesystem that expose
2009/3/24 Rahul Murmuria :
> @ Devon:
> About Packet Classification. I read that iptables is not needed on
> Plan 9 because its "mount /net over the network" concept achieved
> anonymity or transparency -- something along those lines. "There are
> no logs about who is sending what, and that is a go
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom :
>> I believe I have a rudimentary and probably non-working (at this
>> point) packet filter in /n/sources/contrib/dho somewhere (it was
>> written at least 4 years ago). I think it's called ``nfil.'' I
>> believe it is desirable. Others disagree. Its usefulness is relate
2009/3/25 Charles Forsyth :
[snip]
> I don't know where the best place to suggest or discuss them would be,
> but I thought this list would reach nearly everyone interested.
I've sort of volunteered myself to webmaster the gsoc.cat-v.org page
for this year's SoC, so if you have any ideas you'd lik
2009/3/25 Bakul Shah :
> On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 09:00:58 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell"
> wrote:
>> While creating an
>> entire routing suite (such as Zebra/Quagga) is probably outside of the
>> scope of a 3 month pr
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde :
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'd like to see a 3D graphics protocol. Then I could run the host on some
> linux or window or mac box to do the display, and run the graphics app in
> Plan9, or inferno, or ...
>
> And (heresy aside) I've love a way to
If you're interested in participating in the GSoC program, or for
ideas on open projects, take a look at http://gsoc.cat-v.org/ideas/
--dho
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom :
>> Gogo reimplementation of cfront.
>
> i'm pretty sure c++ has "advanced" to the point where
> the cfront implementation technique is unworkable.
So when I say something absolutely absurd on the list, people take it
seriously? I've got to work on my sense of humor here.
Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively.
That would give us a whole bunch of different compilers.
--dho
2009/3/25 Federico G. Benavento :
> do we need drawterm for the iphone? is anyone going to use it?
>
> I mean, it's a tiny screen, typing on handhelds sucks, plus is not
> that there is killer app Plan 9 has that you _must_ run.
>
> am I forgetting something obvious?
Tiny screen, but reasonable r
2009/3/25 Federico G. Benavento :
[snip]
> As for applications for Plan 9, the ones we need (read to cope with
> the rest of the world) are too big for a soc project, so even if I don't
> like gcc, a port would help on this matter.
Yes and no. As long as there are reasonable expectations for the
p
2009/3/25 andrey mirtchovski :
> there are a couple of other problems that I see with dt on the iPhone:
>
> - platform: google may be much more interested in seeing apps for the
> G-phone than they are for the rival (but then, a g-phone version may
> be much easier to do, and not worth a gsoc)
>
>
I'd like to note again that I was kidding about cfront <_<
2009/3/25 Paul Lalonde :
> A cfront-ish approach to templates leads to hellish duplication of
> template-generated code in each module, and thence to even worse code bloat.
> Of course, my understanding of what's possible in a cfront tran
2009/3/25 erik quanstrom :
> On Wed Mar 25 19:22:23 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Another student I spoke to on IRC spoke of the possibility of
>> bootstrapping LLVM for Plan 9 on Linux and getting it to run natively.
>> That would give us a whole bunch of different compilers.
>>
>> --d
2009/3/25 Pietro Gagliardi :
> Killed. From the license agreement for iPhone developers (which requires a
> free Apple Developer Connection account to view; sorry):
>
> "3.3.3 Without Apple’s prior written approval, an Application may not
> provide, unlock or enable a enable additional features or
2009/3/26 :
>> so if you have any ideas you'd like to get on
>> there, just mail them to me, or to the plan9-gsoc mailing list and
>> I'll get them plopped up there.
>
> I'm actively working on GCC from two directions: a port of the Plan 9
> libraries to a cross-compilation environment under NetBS
2009/3/26 :
>> I've wanted to work with somebody
>> on Plan 9 as a routing device in networks for some time, at least in
>> the field of packet classification.
>
> I'll be happy to help, too, if so desired, I have been playing with
> IPFilters in a pretty serious way for many years (and ipfw befor
2009/3/26 Eric Van Hensbergen :
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Federico G. Benavento
> wrote:
>>I mean, drawterm for the iphone! why not for symbian?
>>
>
> I'd have no problems with those suggestions either, as far as multitouch
> goes there are probably even further platforms -- even just su
2009/3/26 erik quanstrom :
> so please stop saying that 9vx or inferno make drawterm obsolete
> until that's actually true.
Additionally, both 9vx and inferno do actually execute code, which
would facilitate a breach of the SDK license.
> - erik
--me
2009/3/26 Juan M. Mendez :
> Maybe porting parrot (http://www.parrot.org ) to Plan9 would be an
> interesting Gsoc project
My co-worker is the backup org admin for Parrot (but is responsible
for the Perl 6 and Parrot programs). If there's real interest here,
submit a proposal for a port to Plan 9
2009/3/26 Roman Shaposhnik :
> Somehow I didn't see the original email from Manzur (was it ever
> posted to the list?) But given my personal interests, I'd be delighted
> to help along with the gitfs.
Yeah, it was.
> Since I've ignored most of the GSOC traffic so far, could someone,
> please poin
2009/3/26 Pietro Gagliardi :
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
>
>> I'm merely trying to debunk roadblocks which others
>> seem to want to through in his way.
>
> I don't want to throw a roadblock in this student's way. (In fact, drawterm
> on iPhone benefits me too, though
2009/3/27 erik quanstrom :
>> It seems I'm hitting this error when sending some GET requests:
>>
>> In /sys/src/cmd/webfs/url.c:
>>
>> if(strstr(url, "%00")){
>> werrstr("escaped NUL in URI");
>> return -1;
>> }
>>
>> I haven't fully understood the comment ab
2009/3/27 erik quanstrom :
>> Yeah, there aren't any. That's the point of URL encoding; NULL bytes
>> are as acceptable as any other, and your client should be able to
>> handle them -- so I think that webfs check is just bogus. It should
>> just encode it as a \0 and pass it through.
>
> (you do m
Sorry for forwarding this to 9fans; it seems we have a lot of people
discussing GSoC stuff there too.
Please don't reply to this on 9fans. Instead, please take GSoC to
plan9-g...@googlegroups.con, and if you are considering submitting a
proposal, as Leslie suggests, please *do so now*. We only hav
Hey all,
Trying to get an updated qemu image out that we can give to SoC
students, and I'm having some issues with the installer. I seem to be
stuck at the partdisk step. The partition seems to write fine to the
disk, but when exiting fdisk, it tells me I'm not finished with
partdisk yet. Using an
2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell :
> Ideas?
Works fine if I turn off DMA.
--dho
2009/4/5 ron minnich :
> On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Devon H. O'Dell
> wrote:
>> 2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell :
>>> Ideas?
>>
>> Works fine if I turn off DMA.
>
> no need to have DMA on on qemu anyway, so you have a workaround.
Except that it&
2009/4/5 ron minnich :
> I got confused. The problem you had with dma off was in qemu or on
> real hardware? Sorry.
qemu, but it hardly seems fitting given the beefiness of the machine
the emulator's running on.
> ron
>
>
2009/4/5 Bakul Shah :
> On Sun, 05 Apr 2009 15:54:19 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell"
> wrote:
>> 2009/4/5 ron minnich :
>> > On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wr
>> ote:
>> >> 2009/4/5 Devon H. O'Dell :
>> >>>
2009/4/7 ron minnich :
> Can't remember if this one came up:
> $59. http://www.ubnt.com/products/rs.php
Where do you find it for $59? Cheapest I can find from their page is $69.
--dho
2009/4/9 Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com>:
>> set | wc -l
>> 8047
>> well.
>
> This is nearly as big as the shell itself in the (ahem) good old days.
>
> term% tar tzvf interdata_v6.tar.gz bin/sh
> --rwxr-xr-x 8316 Nov 13 15:48 1978 bin/sh
No, it's very likely bigger. wc -l is lines of co
2009/4/9 Bakul Shah :
> On Thu, 09 Apr 2009 15:28:58 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell"
> wrote:
>> $ set | wc -l
>> 64
>>
>> I don't quite get that locally.
>
> This must be on FreeBSD!
>
> % bash
> $ echo $BASH_VERSION
> 4.0.10(2)-release
2009/4/14 Jim Habegger :
> My wireless card is not listed in Plan9.ini. Does that mean there's no
> way for me to connect with that card?
>
> I'd like to learn how much I can use Plan 9 for home office,
> multimedia and Internet socializing, then I'd like to experiment with
> distributing the syste
> I don't think there are video players.
Someone created an ffmpeg port, but I'm not sure if it does video
output or just conversion as I've never actually used it.
--dho
2009/4/15 Patrick Kristiansen :
> Hello 9fans.
> I'm thinking of writing a NAT implementation for plan 9. I have searched the
> archives and I'm not quite sure how to get started.
Hi Patrick,
> As I see it there could be three ways of approaching this:
> 1. User space implementation using ipmux
>
2009/4/15 Nathaniel W Filardo :
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 02:03:35PM +0200, Patrick Kristiansen wrote:
>> I'm thinking of writing a NAT implementation for plan 9.
>
> I would suggest instead that it might be easier to write an adaptor program
> for non-Plan 9 hosts which made their network stacks t
2009/4/15 Anthony Sorace :
> the idea is interesting, but it's a compliment, not a replacement.
> there's plenty of situations where installing something on all your
> hosts is either impractical or undesirable; centralizing the work in
> network infrastructure is often a big win. doing what you de
I've got a laptop that I (for shits and giggles) decided to put Plan 9
on. Lo and behold, it worked fine (Compal EL80, Core 2 Duo, 2GB RAM,
nVidia video).
So, I'm running at 1280x1024x32 right now in VESA, which is
reasonable, but I'd like to run at my maximum native resolution, which
is 1680x1050
Thanks for all the tips, I'll see what I can get working (and perhaps
flesh out the wiki once it's working well, if it ends up being
different from what's already there).
--dho
Well, that ends up getting my screen to have a bunch of lines through
it, staggered -- so I'm not much better off than I was before. I'm
guessing that's an nVidia driver issue or something. If I had any idea
about video devices, I'd try to fix it, but I don't. I'll just live
with a bit low-res VESA
2009/4/16 Rudolf Sykora :
> Hello,
>
> I've been wondering (and not reading much)...
> If I'd like to use plan9 as a www server, is there anything ready?
Yes, there is a pre-built httpd and libraries for writing your own.
Recent apache probably doesn't compile in APE (but maybe it does).
> How di
In the interests of academia (and from the idea of setting up a public
Plan 9 cluster) comes the following mail. I'm sure people will brush
some of this off as a non-issue, but I'm curious what others think.
It doesn't seem that Plan 9 does much to protect the kernel from
memory / resource exhaust
2009/4/16 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com>:
> What is the advantage of rails anyway?
> I had a quick glance, but still don't really understand it's function.
MVC development model. Allows you to abstract the data from the code
from the design, but easily access needed parts from other needed
parts. On
2009/4/16 Venkatesh Srinivas :
> Devlimit / Rlimit is less than ideal - the resource limits aren't
> adaptive to program needs and to resource availability. They would be
> describing resources that user programs have very little visible
> control over (kernel resources), except by changing their s
> One can indirectly (and more consistently) limit the number of
> allocated resources in this fashion (indeed, the number of open file
> descriptors) by determining the amount of memory consumed by that
> resource as proportional to the size of the resource. If I as a user
> have 64,000 allocation
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
> have you taken a look at the protection measures already
> built into the kernel like smalloc?
At least in FreeBSD, you can't sleep in an interrupt thread. I suppose
that's probably also the case in Plan 9 interrupt handlers, and this
would mitigate that situation.
>>
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
> On Thu Apr 16 17:51:42 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
>> > have you taken a look at the protection measures already
>> > built into the kernel like smalloc?
>>
>> At least in FreeBSD, you can't sleep in an interrupt thread. I suppos
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
>>
>> My misunderstanding then, as smalloc is available in port/alloc.c,
>> which is also compiled into the kernel. I'm not concerned about oom
>> conditions in userland.
>
> smalloc is used in the kernel, but only when running with up (user
> process) and only when deali
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
>> Right, we're saying the same thing backwards. I just am not sure why
>> smalloc was brought up. Yes, it is able to sleep until memory is
>> available for the operation, but it's not used *everywhere*.
>
> that's part of my point. sometimes smalloc is appropriate,
> so
2009/4/16 Bakul Shah :
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:25:06 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell"
> wrote:
>> That said, I don't disagree. Perhaps Plan 9's environment hasn't been
>> assumed to contain malicious users. Which brings up the question: Can
>> Plan
2009/4/16 erik quanstrom :
> On Thu Apr 16 22:18:35 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > i just stated what i thought the historical situation was. the
>> > point was only that changing direction will be difficult.
>>
>> This thread certainly proves that :)
>
> a 9fans thread proves nothing
2009/4/17 Bakul Shah :
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:19:21 EDT "Devon H. O'Dell"
> wrote:
>> 2009/4/16 Bakul Shah :
>> > Why not give each user a virtual plan9? Not like vmware/qemu
>> > but more like FreeBSD's jail(8), "done more elegantly"
2009/4/17 erik quanstrom :
>> What if each user can have a separate IP stack, separate
>> (virtualized) interfaces and so on?
>
> already possible, but you do need 1 physical ethernet
> per ip stack if you want to talk to the outside world.
I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to add a virtual ``physical'
2009/4/17 Rudolf Sykora :
>> Writing the core of a blog engine in three lines of rc is hard to
>> beat, plus you get the benefit of being able to manipulate and manage
>> all your data using the tools any self respecting Unix user loves.
>>
>> uriel
>
> well, I haven't thought about it deeply yet,
Wait, am I on the wrong mailing list? Since when was this Fans of BSD
and Linux Talk about why Plan 9 Sucks Donkey Shit?
(I use FreeBSD and Linux. OTOH, I'm not on freebsd-general@ and centos
mailing lists talking about how our private namespaces and 9p are so
much shinier than VFS)
2009/4/17 Eris Discordia :
> It's like I'm seeing an apparition of myself back more than a year ago. No
> wonder 9fans got to dislike me so much. Do 9fans get nuisances like me in
> regular intervals?
>From time to time :)
We have a high conversion rate, though.
--dho
Given the feedback from the list, I've come up with two alternatives.
(Well, one of them was actually Mechiel's brainchild).
Idea #1 (From Mechiel)
Instead of doing typed allocations, give every user an allocation
pool, from which all kernel allocations will take place. To extend on
this, the size
2009/4/20 erik quanstrom :
>
> i'm not following along. what would be the application?
Jukebox, perhaps?
> - erik
>
>
Hey all,
That laptop that I was boasting ran Plan 9 flawlessly (minus the
non-native graphics) is now exhibiting some really weird behavior.
I've replaced the old Hitachi Travelstar disk (100GB / 7200RPM) with a
Seagate 320GB disk (5400RPM). I can install FreeBSD and CentOS fine.
When I try to ins
2009/4/23 Charles Forsyth :
> lcc is nothing like as hard to compile as gcc (which has got worse, much
> worse, over the years).
> funnily enough, my gcc bootstrap compilation is still going (on a multi-core
> linux machine).
> it started over an hour ago. bizarre.
(my apologies for diverging t
Hello!
Although I probably won't be able to go unless it's close (a.k.a. in
the Baltimore / Washington DC area -- which actually isn't perhaps a
bad idea?), the subject of an IWP9 has been brought up several times
this year. I'd like to get the ball rolling on this, in case anybody
is interested i
2009/4/24 erik quanstrom :
> On Fri Apr 24 09:56:24 EDT 2009, devon.od...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> Although I probably won't be able to go unless it's close (a.k.a. in
>> the Baltimore / Washington DC area -- which actually isn't perhaps a
>> bad idea?), the subject of an IWP9 has been brou
2009/4/24 Eric Van Hensbergen :
> Seconded - I vote for a movement until 1Q10, I think you'll get a lot
> more industry participation this way.
Perhaps just a 9con then?
If response is poor on both (IWP9 / 9con) counts, I'm up for
organizing an IWP9 in 1Q10. It'd be fun in any case to put somethi
I made a logistics poll form based on all the ideas presented thus far.
It would be great if you guys could fill it in, there's like 6
questions and a comment field, so it should only take about 1 minute
total. Just trying to get a brief and centralized overview of what
everyone's personal situati
2009/5/19 rsbohn :
> On May 15, 2:52 am, st...@quintile.net (Steve Simon) wrote:
>> Anyone got a script to generate a bootable plan9.iso cdrom image,
>> the mkfiles in /sys/lib/dist seem quite labs-specific.
>>
>> -Steve
maht has some details on this. The stuff in /sys/lib/dist is indeed
very spec
2009/5/26 :
> I've just pushed out to sources a new USB implementation, courtesy of
> nemo, who debugged and repaired our old UHCI and OHCI drivers, wrote a
> new EHCI driver for USB 2, converted the user-mode drivers in /bin/usb
> and tested it all, among other things. Thank you, nemo.
>
> I've
>> i have no idea how this relates to the use of a fs in implementing the
>> network stack. why would using a filsystem (or not) make any difference
>> in the ability to multihome?
>>
>> by the way, plan 9 beats the pants off anything else i've used for
>> multiple
>> network / interface support.
2009/6/11 Eris Discordia :
>> but given that plan 9 is about having a system that's easy
>> to understand and modify, i would think that it would be
>> tough to demonstrate that asyncronous i/o or callbacks
>> could make the system (or even applications) simplier.
>> i doubt that they would make th
2009/6/25 andrey mirtchovski :
> Mentions Plan 9 just at the end in the context of C compilers,
> although the argument of the article, that being able to "do more with
> less" is better, is applicable to Plan 9 in the OS field too.
>
> http://synthcode.com/blog/2009/06/Small_is_Beautiful
>
> I'm s
2009/6/29 Brad Frank :
> What kinds of modifications would be necessary to get plan9 booting on
> intel macs? The latest releases don't seem to boot, they just hang.
EFI, at a minimum.
2009/6/29 David Leimbach :
> On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Devon H. O'Dell
> wrote:
>>
>> 2009/6/29 Brad Frank :
>> > What kinds of modifications would be necessary to get plan9 booting on
>> > intel macs? The latest releases don't seem to
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom :
> you say
>
>> I think, Google did not choose Plan 9 due lack of device drivers, poor
>> IPv6 support and confusing redundant fragment of code lurking around in
>> /sys/boot or 9load, but a compared with Linux a compact, clean and
>> much more efficient FreeBSD could def
I have very little idea about these fuckers. I know there are
baselines and ideas about m's and n's and kerning and whatnot.
But how do you make them? I played with some TTF font generators about
10 years ago that I'm sure I illegally obtained somehow, but I realize
that I have zero idea of how fo
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom :
>> But don't underestimate the value of the interesting ideas in the
>> linux kernel that get the performance, e.g. RCU. I don't think there
>> are any OSes that have scaled to 4096 CPUs at this point besides
>> Linux.
>
> i thought that massively parallel harvard-arch mac
2009/7/8 erik quanstrom :
>> I'd love to do this, but I don't think anybody's going to
>> match my salary to port drivers, do ACPI, add amd64 support for
>> workstations, etc.
>
> i told myself this for years. it turns out to be a mistaken
> idea. now that i know, i regret the years i spent doing
2009/7/8 Uriel :
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:56 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
>> I don't think so. We already have IPv6 support and it's not that bad.
>> Having more drivers and supported commodity architectures would be a
>> good thing. I'd love to do t
2009/7/8 Uriel :
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
>> ACPI support doesn't need to suspend or do thermal zones. It just
>> needs to be able to read the ADT and get MP / interrupt routing table
>> information. This is doable. Have you ever read
2009/7/8 Benjamin Huntsman :
>>> Without this getting into a holy war, what Geoff told me was that the
>>> amd64 work was for headless CPU servers, which is only mildly useful
>>> to me anyway.
>>
>>If it was released perhaps somebody would add the missing drivers, who
>>knows...
>>
>>As things st
2009/7/8 Francisco J Ballesteros :
>>
>> ACPI will never, ever, ever happen, so people better get over it (and
>> if anyone is naive enough to waste their time trying, it will end up
>> as a useless atrocious mess that wont boot even in a 100th of the
>> systems out there, much less suspend or do a
We all know that Uriel periodically `whines' on this list. Let's
please not exacerbate the situation?
In light of Erik's response ``maybe you just don't know about them.'' I looked.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sof/1243139762.html
Recent (posted 6/27). Looks like it's Plan 9 (probably Inferno) on a
smartphone. Thought it would be useful to post here in case anybody
else is looking for that kin
2009/7/9 Micah Stetson :
>> Why would it take a book? DMR made the point succinctly in his
>> critique of Knuth's literate program, showing how a few command-line
>> utilities do the work of the Don's elaborately constructed tries.
>
> Do you have a URL for this?
I looked this up yesterday, and t
2009/7/10 J.R. Mauro :
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:46 PM, wrote:
>>
>> I'm tired of the perpetual September, after several years of being
>> polite and pointing people to the wiki and the archives.
>
> You could filter instead of bitching and contributing to the noise.
Spoken like a true hypocrit
2009/7/13 erik quanstrom :
> after a week of fighting with an atom with ich7r sata in
> ide mode, i finally found the secret sauce that keeps it
> from "hanging." i pushed out a changed
> quanstro/9load-e820 and quanstro/sd which boot on my
> atom machine in ide mode without causing interrupt stor
2009/7/13 erik quanstrom :
>> This sounds promising for that ICH laptop with the 320G drive that
>> magically doesn't work (though the 120GB one that was in it was fine).
>> How do I get this on a disc to try it out?
>
> can you pxe?
Not easily. The issue was a few bits in PCI register space that
I believe Priyanka has some significant work on getting private
per-process namespaces in Glendix for this year's GSoC.
--dho
2009/7/14 erik quanstrom :
> On Tue Jul 14 02:41:02 EDT 2009, sqw...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I suspect the main inhibitor there is that (as I recall) it stomps
>> all over the existing soundblaster code. These days AC97 is probably
>> more desirable, but it would be nice to have them coexist.
>
> that
2009/7/14 Tim Newsham :
>> However, I still think this is worthwhile just to provide (a) a
>> standard interface for audio devices (e.g., /dev/audioctl always
>> accepts the same messages to set volume, input levels, etc), and (b)
>> to have a single kernel support more than one type of audio devic
2009/7/15 erik quanstrom :
>> It's
>> a lot easier to see (and not have in the first place) incorrect scope
>> and continuation with whitespace than with braces or parentheses.
>
> do you have a reference for this claim?
Without turning this into a holy war, I really always see these issues
as a m
2009/7/31 erik quanstrom :
>> process1:
>> still in kernel:
>> memmove(buf, ...)
>> *fault*
>> trap()
>> fault386()
>> fault() => -1
>> if(!user){
>>
2009/7/31 erik quanstrom :
>> > could you be more specific. what is your test program,
>> > where is it crashing (if you know), and what is the panic
>> > message, if any? i must be dense, but i'm confused by
>> > your process diagram.
>>
>> He posted it earlier in this thread
>>
>> --dho
>
> ple
2009/8/2 erik quanstrom :
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/143558/laptop_flash_drives_hit_by_high_failure_rates.html
>
> surprising, no? there are still plenty of reasons to want an
> ssd. it just seems that reliablity isn't one of those reasons yet.
The big one for me has always been that I ten
2009/8/13 erik quanstrom :
> On Thu Aug 13 02:43:54 EDT 2009, 9...@9netics.com wrote:
>> > I'm not sure either latency or RT is proper terminology here. But
>> > I believe what I meant was clear: when you need overall latency
>> > to be around 5ms you start to notice 9P.
>
> when you need the overa
2009/8/13 Anthony Sorace :
> Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> // This is easily demonstrable with rhythm games (such as Rock
> // Band or Guitar Hero) where latency induced by a home audio
> // system (mine at home is about 15ms induced by my receiver
> // and 5ms using the Xbox digita
2009/8/13 David Leimbach :
> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:47 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis
> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:13:58 +0200
>> Bela Valek wrote:
>>
>> > Correct me if I am wrong, but an sshv2 server is also providing sshv1
>> > too.
>>
>> I vaguely remember reading that some ssh software
2009/8/12 Tim Newsham :
- What software exists for each of these formats?
>>
>> If you are asking about non Plan9 software I'd start with
>> ffmpeg.
>>
- Which format is the most "popular"?
>>
>> I don't think I understand the question.
>
> Sorry, let me rephrase:
> - Of the different au
2009/8/13 James Tomaschke :
> erik quanstrom wrote:
>
>>> I don't see the complexity, the interface merely needs to allow device
>>> drivers to provide the information such as "I support x y z", the
>>> application can query a "features" file, select a format and write back
>>> through the interfac
2009/8/13 Devon H. O'Dell :
> 2009/8/13 James Tomaschke :
>> Rather, your suggestion of forcing a single format, prevents my
>> applications from using other formats, and it requires I implement
>> conversions. This is because you limit freedom by placing a simple
>
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