Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-13 Thread Peter Enderborg
dave willis wrote: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Peter Enderborg wrote: > > > It is realy a small market. For example one of the big midi interface > > manufactures (Midiman) don't even have full supprt of there new > > highend products for windows 2000. > > you must be thinking of someone else. all of

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-13 Thread Peter Enderborg
Dan Hollis wrote: > On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Peter Enderborg wrote: > > It is realy a small market. For example one of the big midi interface > > manufactures (Midiman) don't even have full supprt of there new > > highend products for windows 2000. You have to go for windows 9x or NT > > for that. Bu

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-13 Thread dave willis
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Peter Enderborg wrote: > It is realy a small market. For example one of the big midi interface > manufactures (Midiman) don't even have full supprt of there new > highend products for windows 2000. you must be thinking of someone else. all of their products list win2k excep

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On Sat, 13 Oct 2001, Peter Enderborg wrote: > It is realy a small market. For example one of the big midi interface > manufactures (Midiman) don't even have full supprt of there new > highend products for windows 2000. You have to go for windows 9x or NT > for that. But it is strage, they only hav

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Peter Enderborg
Paul Davis wrote: > >it's been the same with MOTU, some vendors are just ignorant of a > >large potential customer base. > > lets not kid ourselves. there is a *tiny* potential customer base for > the next several years at least, and the existing customer base is > even smaller. > It is realy a

RE: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > I still don't understand what manufactures are protecting by not releasing > the programming details needed for 3rd parties to develope their own > drivers. I've found several reasons: 1) They don't even have documentation themselves (which is

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Dan Hollis
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Frans Ketelaars wrote: > Also, quoting http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ : > A few words of thanks... > Philips gratiously donated a PCVC680, a PCVC730 and a PCVC740 webcam for driver >development, > and kudos to their engineers which have to endure the stream of > E-m

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Frans Ketelaars
Erik Inge Bolsø wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: > >All chip only manufactures publish the details. > >I don't have any Philips hardware, but there is a principal here. > > Well, the DSP chip on the Acoustic Edge series_does_ have a 68 page > datasheet available. It m

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread dave willis
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Paul Davis wrote: > >i seriously doubt that. perhaps it's true for additional companies, as > >hammerfall is well established in the high-end and m-audio (and terratec) > > how many hammerfall purchasers do you think run linux? not as many as unix in general (it seems to be

RE: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Erik Inge Bolsø
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >All chip only manufactures publish the details. >I don't have any Philips hardware, but there is a principal here. Well, the DSP chip on the Acoustic Edge series_does_ have a 68 page datasheet available. It may not be enough to write a driver, bu

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Paul Davis
>If hardware manufactures wanted their products to have good support on >Linux, all they have to do is publish the hardware programming details, and >the linux community will do the actual driver development. thats why i wrote "inertia-bound companies". they don't see this. they think that linux

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Paul Davis
>i seriously doubt that. perhaps it's true for additional companies, as >hammerfall is well established in the high-end and m-audio (and terratec) how many hammerfall purchasers do you think run linux? even the fact that the most impressive and forward-thinking demo of the last 2 years (mcgill's

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread dave willis
On Fri, 12 Oct 2001, Paul Davis wrote: > >it's been the same with MOTU, some vendors are just ignorant of a > >large potential customer base. > > lets not kid ourselves. there is a *tiny* potential customer base for > the next several years at least, and the existing customer base is > even small

RE: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
ehalf Of Paul Davis > Sent: 12 October 2001 12:59 > To: J rn Nettingsmeier > Cc: Michael Staggs; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge > > > >it's been the same with MOTU, some vendors are just ignorant of a > >large potential custo

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-12 Thread Paul Davis
>it's been the same with MOTU, some vendors are just ignorant of a >large potential customer base. lets not kid ourselves. there is a *tiny* potential customer base for the next several years at least, and the existing customer base is even smaller. the customer base for audio chipsets in thing

Re: [Alsa-devel] Philips Acoustic Edge

2001-10-11 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier
Michael Staggs wrote: > > I asked Philips for information needed to build linux drivers as per the > ALSA call to contributors. The reply I got was very disheartening: > > > Philips continues to watch the Linux market and driver development will be > > related to increased adoption of the Linux