Re: Against nature...

2013-05-21 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Scientific literature indicates that parents' financial, psychological and physical well-being is enhanced by marriage and that children benefit from being raised by two parents within a legally recognized union (either a opposite-sex or same-sex union). As a result,

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-15 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv And not Hindus, because most non Buddhists in Sri Lanka are Hindu? You're confusing general with specific. General is intolerance and persecution of all groups other than your own. Specific in contrast is being okay with all groups except one or a few groups you pers

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-08 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv While I haven't formed an apostates narrative, I'll leave this as an example. An Apostate's Narrative Dr. Moojan Momen recently asserted that each apostate must construct a narrative, and that it ought to take the form of a "captivity narrative". Apparently, this mean

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-08 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's still is technically alot of a stretch to get the list being loyal to the UHJ from just the name Baha'i Studies list which doesn't even have a description other than its name. It's assume people will assume that it's not Unitarian, Reform, Gaurdianist, or whateve

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-08 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Susan, logically following that rule to its logical conclusion would ban all > Baha'is websites because each and every Baha'i denomination declares each > other to be covenant breakers. This list is loyal to the Universal House of Justice in Haifa Israel which you ter

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-08 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, logically following that rule to its logical conclusion would ban all Baha'is websites because each and every Baha'i denomination declares each other to be covenant breakers. It's impossible to study the Baha'i Faith independent of any of the denominations. To

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-08 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Dear friends, Please do not respond to Stephen's email message since he insists on propagating the views of Covenant breakers. I've still not had any success in getting him removed as I can't seem to get a hold of Mark Foster. However, I would like to say for the record

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
liar with various religions like Raëlism, >>>> Scientology, Neo Gnosticism, Adi Dam, Ahmadiyya aka Qadianism, Happy >>>> Science aka Kofuku no Kagaku, Sahaja Yoga, Rastafarianism, etc. I'm not >>>> that interested in them, but I know about them is the point

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
ist_of_avatar_claimants >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_claimed_to_be_Jesus >>> h

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv To copy and paste Juan Cole. “John Ricardo I. "Juan" Cole (born October 1952) is an American scholar, public intellectual, and historian of the modern Middle East and South Asia. He is Richard P. Mitchell Collegiate Professor of History at the University of Michigan.

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 22:40, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Lots of interesting Raëlian sites, because I read them in the five Raëlian e > books I downloaded onto my iPad. Interesting side note, I have seen a > Theraveda Buddhist Facebook page attackin

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
; The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> ...And yet you so often bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed? >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Stephen Kent Gray >> To: Baha'i Studies >> Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 20:45, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > I shouldn't have listed Neo-Druidism, Wicca, and Thelema separately. They are > all forms of Contemporary Modern Neo Paganism. > > Contemporary Modern Neo Paganism (includes various ethnic, fo

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maitreya >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_avatar_claimants >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalki >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_messiah_claimants >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Messiah_claimants >>> http://

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 17:37, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > That presupposes enough people will have become Baha'i to make that feasible. > > If a Baha'i society, one with a Baha'i majority, became a non Baha'i one, one > with a different religious gro

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 17:28, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Don't you mean if not in? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 22, 2013, at 17:26, Don Calkins wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:11 28PM, Stephen Kent Gray wro

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
information about the Bahá'í Faith. So, > how is your investigation going? > > Hasan > > PS You quoted Covenant-breakers sources, I wonder why the moderator did not > you brought out of here. > > > De: Stephen Kent Gray > Para: Baha'i Studies &g

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don't you mean if not in? Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 17:26, Don Calkins wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:11 28PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > >> Baha'is say that people are supposed to use independent investigation of >> tru

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
n Apr 27, 2013, at 15:32, Hasan Elías wrote: >> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> Hi, >>> >>> I read few messages of Stephen Gray, I think he trusts so much on >>> philosophers and thinkers. I think Kohlberg and others are nothing and

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That presupposes enough people will have become Baha'i to make that feasible. If a Baha'i society, one with a Baha'i majority, became a non Baha'i one, one with a different religious group in the majority, would the Baha'is step down from power? Also, shouldn't it be

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I shouldn't have listed Neo-Druidism, Wicca, and Thelema separately. They are all forms of Contemporary Modern Neo Paganism. Contemporary Modern Neo Paganism (includes various ethnic, folk, and syncretic religions) Unitarian Universalism Eckankar LeVeyanism Raëlism h

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
ssage- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:12 am > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Actually I only believe in Unitarian Universalism, Mahayana Nichiren > Buddhism, Religious Humanism, as m

Re: Against nature...

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Lots of interesting Raëlian sites, because I read them in the five Raëlian e books I downloaded onto my iPad. Interesting side note, I have seen a Theraveda Buddhist Facebook page attacking Raëlism and another Theraveda Buddhist website attacking Scientology. While, n

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Gary Selchert
Apr 30, 2013 3:40 pm Subject: Re: Against nature... The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen, The name of this list is "Bahá'í Studies". It seems that you do not realize where you are. The Bahá'í Faith has good presence in the Web, bahá'

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Hasan Elías
not you brought out of here. ____ De: Stephen Kent Gray Para: Baha'i Studies Enviado: Lunes, 29 de abril, 2013 7:25 P.M. Asunto: Re: Against nature... The Baha'i Studies Listserv I should explain closer and in more depth. Religions and their scrip

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also forgot to mention that Northern Cyprus is probably the same as Turkey. Sent from my iPad On Apr 30, 2013, at 12:11, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I have no info on other states such as Northern Cyprus, Palestine, > Somaliland, Sahrawi

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have no info on other states such as Northern Cyprus, Palestine, Somaliland, Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, etc. I'll also list the countries where there is no illegality for Muslims listed. Algeria, Comoros, Egypt, Morocco, Niger, Tunisia, Iraq, Turkey. Sahrawi

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Another message where I referenced Raëlism. Sent from my iPad On Apr 19, 2013, at 23:35, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > There are a variety of religions in the world. While most either are > explicitly anti LGBTQQIA or neutral towards them,

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-30 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
eatest protection, and >> new Bahá'ís should be taught this before they are admitted into the >> Community. In this way they will be given the spiritual strenght to overcome >> the tests which are inevitable, and which strenghten the growth of the >> Community an

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-29 Thread Hasan Elías
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen, Are you a bahá'í? Hasan De: Stephen Kent Gray Para: Baha'i Studies Enviado: Lunes, 29 de abril, 2013 1:13 P.M. Asunto: Re: Against nature... The Baha'i Studies Listserv Hasan, any list of rel

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
munity. In this way they will be given the spiritual strenght to overcome > the tests which are inevitable, and which strenghten the growth of the > Community and drive its roots deeper in the soil of faith". > > Best, > > Hasan > De: Stephen Kent Gray > Para: Bah

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Don C, the onus of independent investigation requires everyone to investigate the claims of every Messiah, Christ, Paraclete, Holy Spirit, Mahdi, Manifestation, Avatar, Buddha, etc. To repeat The greater covenant refers to the covenant made between each messenge

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-29 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv It's what Wikipedia says here. Greater covenant The greater covenant refers to the covenant made between each messenger from God, which the literature of the Bahá'í Faith name Manifestations of God, and his followers regarding the coming of the next Manifestation fro

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-27 Thread Hasan Elías
s roots deeper in the soil of faith". Best, Hasan De: Stephen Kent Gray Para: Baha'i Studies Enviado: Miércoles, 24 de abril, 2013 8:10 P.M. Asunto: Re: Against nature... The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don C, read Eight Ways to Run the

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-25 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don C, read Eight Ways to Run the Country by Brian Patrick Mitchell. From, this you sound like a populist which means nothing other than you side with people, but is meaningless ideology wise. You rejection of progressivism and its ideals, tell me you aren't anti arch

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-24 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don, can I ask you to please stop answering Steve's posts. As moderator I have made it clear that he is no longer welcome here. Not after he referred to the Baha'i community as the Heterodox Haifan Sect. He insists on staying, but we don't need to be encouraging him by a

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-24 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I would rather like you to use liberal and progressive interchangeably. All progressives are liberal, but not all liberals are progressives. Progressive is a subset of liberal, not equivalent with liberal. Conservatives, libertarians, and social democrats are liberals

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-24 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You seem to be intent on categorizing the Faith. It's not going to work. Why is the Faith referred to as a "liberal" or "progressive" group? Because when Abdu'l-Baha was here 100 years ago and emphasized what are now commonly referred to as the Baha'i Principles (al

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-24 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Liberal religion is a religious tradition which embraces the theological diversity of a congregation rather than a single creed, authority, or writing. Because it may draw resources from many traditions, it cannot normally be characterized as Christian, Jewish, or any

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-23 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You forgot that this was in the context of having a seperatist war with the Tamil Tigers to preserve the territory of Sri Lanka against the creation of Tamil Eelam. Sent from my iPad On Apr 23, 2013, at 1:40, Don Calkins wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http:

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-23 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Rakhine_State_riots The Muslims started it, by killing and gang raping women. Sent from my iPad On Apr 23, 2013, at 1:40, Don Calkins wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burm

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So, as my mother used to say, if they all jump off a cliff, are you going to jump, too?? Let those so inclined go to those religions. Don C On Apr 19, 2013, at 10:35 41PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > There are a variety of religions in the world. While most either

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Burma In Sri Lanka a couple months ago, Sinhalo-Buddhists called for the expulsion of all Christians and Muslims. However, a fundamentalist Buddhist usually believes that non-Buddhists are condemned to be rebo

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv There are verses in the Quran that forbid them, too. They are abrogated by other verses. Sent from my iPad On Apr 22, 2013, at 14:25, Ian Kluge wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >>> I'm referring to beliefs not practices > > No, you are not referring to belie

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Actually, not other religions, only Muslims. If you were familiar with what's happening in Burma, you'd know the Muslims started it. Muslims attacked first, so Buddhists are rationally retaliating rather than appeasing the barbarian Muslim horde. Lots of people not j

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
I suspect not too many > generations will pass before Baha’is think about homosexuality in much the > same way that Catholics think about contraception. > > But who knows? > > GS > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies &

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv There are a variety of religions in the world. While most either are explicitly anti LGBTQQIA or neutral towards them, there are affirming religious groups. Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism have affirming factions. This is a specific denominational

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
eatable disorder. >> >> GS >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Stephen Kent Gray >> To: Baha'i Studies >> Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:19 pm >> Subject: Re: Against nature... >> >> The Baha'i Studies Lists

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
y that Catholics think about contraception. > > But who knows? > > GS > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 11:15 am > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv This reminds of of religious trends towards traditionalism versus liberalism, fundamentalism versus humanism. Within religions, traditionalism is a common reaction to rapid changes in the surrounding world. Traditionalists maintain older forms of belief and practice

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:11 28PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Baha'is say that people are supposed to use independent investigation of > truth to verify or falsify the claims of each and every religious claimant, I have never seen a statement like that in Baha'i Scriptur

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Ian Kluge
onday, April 22, 2013 12:24 PM Subject: Re: Against nature... The Baha'i Studies ListservThere are militant "fundamentalist" Buddhists that have attacked members of other religions. Don C On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:17 46PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: Buddhist

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv They will be a minor part of their responsibilities. This is going to prob be 1500 years from now. Think the difference in civilization btwn Augustine and now. Don C On Apr 20, 2013, at 2:39 08PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > How will the punishments in the Aqdas ge

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A Baha'i involved in consultation will use Scripture as an ethical standard. BTW, in the mid 80's, I took a college credit mid management course that included a section on small group decision making. It was a very good non-Baha'i description of consultation as descr

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv As my brother repeatedly reminds me, the Green Party may come the closest to agreeing w/ me, but i refuse to align myself with any party. Don C On Apr 20, 2013, at 3:30 23PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Don C, you probably think America needs a Green New Deal? I don't

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Ian Kluge
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm referring to beliefs not practices No, you are not referring to beliefs instead of practices. Your own words contradict you: Actually the stories I've read of Baha'i Administration **in action** **rivals** North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other s

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv There are militant "fundamentalist" Buddhists that have attacked members of other religions. Don C On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:17 46PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Buddhist states aren't oppressive with religious rules. - Understood properly, all man's proble

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv i consider myself an independent centrist. I don't fit neatly into any category. I am generally moderate, but have no compunction about adapting workable ideas from a variety of perspectives. What is most important, as Baha'u'llah has indicated, are the principles.

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Don Calkins
The Baha'i Studies Listserv if you think liberal means "No drugs, no booze, no hanky-panky" then I guess we're quite liberal. Don C On Apr 20, 2013, at 5:54 11PM, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > Why isn't the Baha'i Faith a liberal religion? - Understood properly, all man's problems ar

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Yes, probably forty or eighty years from now, the Bahai Faith will have > disappeared from the Western world. Stephen, if you are just here to attack the Faith, you need to go elsewhere. __ You are subscribed to Baha'

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Susan, the point is that Islamists all over the world want to turn the world > into one big Islamist Islamic Superstate of a Caliphate. Have you studied > Islamism? Of course, I've studied it. But it is a radical political movement inside of Islam. It is not Islam its

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
te: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> ...And yet you so often bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed? >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Stephen Kent Gray >> To: Baha'i Studies >> Sent: Thu,

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I don't commit to nothing, yet I study everything. Since I'm not omniscient I have to study everything. Isn't that what everyone is required to do? Everyone is required to investigate the claims of all claimants. Baha'u'llah himself referred to this as the greater Cov

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How will the punishments in the Aqdas get carried out if you that's true? If no one is in charge how will people get executed, exiled, imprisioned, fined, etc? The Aqdas looks like it presupposes a kind of authoritarianism you reject. Baha'i laws will be enforced bec

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Abby Martin's show is Breaking The Set for those who wanted to know. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:37, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I really should study the implications of this. New religious movements, > religions founded in

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > I'm referring to beliefs not practices. Really? And what beliefs do we share with the Fascists? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leav

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv How would public policy me made for example in this hypothetical city, state, nation, or world? Imagine religious demographics were: Atheist, Agnostic, No Religion, Secular 30% Christian 30% Muslim 12% Jewish 6% Buddhist 4% Hindu 4% Folk religion 3% Sikh 2% Baha'i 1% W

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Susan, let's try this. On your next trip to Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Brunei, > Kuwait, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. See if you can legally buy > and drink alcohol there. Then, try and search the black market for illegal > alcohol if you need to. While you do

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Susan Maneck
The Baha'i Studies Listserv > People can use consultation aka Athenian Democracy without the Baha'i Faith > or any particular religion at all or even religion itself. And people can consult without any religion either. What's your point? __ You are

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
ith OCD? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive%E2%80%93compulsive_disorder > It's a treatable disorder. > > GS > > > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 12:19 pm > Subject: R

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Does the method of consultation intrinsically involve scripture? Or just Baha'i consultation? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:53, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Things >> like adoption and marriage are private contracts and the governme

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
x27;m a Germanic, neo-Duns-Scotian glutton. > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Wed, Apr 17, 2013 2:16 pm > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > That reminds me that while I'm fiscal

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv That reminds me political compass rated all candidates including third party ones on their Political Compass chart. Mitt Romney and Barack Obama had identical spot on the grid. Virgil Goode was more Authoritarian and Right than both. Gary Johnson and Rocky Anderson ma

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm one such still enrolled ex Baha'i. I think the Baha'i Faith will ultimately fail to inability to retain believers. The math adds up to it eventually becoming extinct. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 13:39, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Lis

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Consultation needs experts, not necessarily from Wikipedia. Also, when I refer to consultation, I mean all consultation, not just the Baha'i version. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 15:25, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > We rarely involv

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The latest within the Abrahamic and Iranian religious traditions. There are other progressive revelation lineages like Dharmic religions, Chinese religions, Korean religions, Vietnamese religions, Japanese religions, UFO religions, New Relgious Movements, Contemporar

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Susan, the point is that Islamists all over the world want to turn the world into one big Islamist Islamic Superstate of a Caliphate. Have you studied Islamism? Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 15:24, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> Mo

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Note, no Buddhist or Hindu societies are Prohibitionist despite being religiously forbidden. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:33, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > It also listed various countries with legal drinking ages and the side

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
en bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed? > > > > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Thu, Apr 18, 2013 11:12 am > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Actu

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Authoritarianism is more of a mindset than actual practices. Those practices are symptoms of authoritarianism rather than authoritarianism itself. If a shadow government or government in exile, it authoritarian if it has such a mindset, even if it can't do any of the

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
> But who knows? > > GS > -Original Message- > From: Stephen Kent Gray > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 11:15 am > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Opps, needed to correct one of the links.

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
> community. > > But is that suggestion a vain imagining? Very possibly! > > GS > -Original Message- > From: Gary Selchert > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3:18 pm > Subject: Re: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Lis

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Sen, so actually none of the Baha'i laws may ever be enforced? Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 2:19, Sen McGlinn wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > "not enforcing" can be the best thing: > > In the Taurat there are ten commandments concerning the murderer.

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
suetude >>> >>> But perhaps all of that is ancient history and irrelevant in the New Order. >>> Perhaps the law is engraved in stone until the next Manifestation. I don’t >>> know. I will watch from the next world with mild curiosity about how our >>> grea

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
> >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >>> ...And yet you so often bless us with your comments. Why are we so blessed? >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Stephen Kent Gray >>> To: Baha'i Studie

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You could add Biblical Israel as a Jewish example. Despite the fact that Thailand is an extremely devout Thereveda Buddhist country, it is known internationally for the sex industry worldwide. The whole of Southeast Asia is in the same boat in this regard, but Thailan

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You forgot to add a link to the list of all the species of animals in which homosexual behavior has been observed. Sent from my iPad On Apr 5, 2013, at 23:26, David Regal wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > If humans are supposed to be heterosexual, as the Baha'i

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Buddhist states aren't oppressive with religious rules. Theraveda Buddhism and Vajrayana Buddhism is the state religion in various countries in South Asia, Southeast Asia, East Asia, and some parts of Russia. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 12:28, Susan Maneck

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Reparative therapy is seen as pseudoscience now. Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 13:47, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> >> I wonder if science have discovered some kind of predisposition (genetic >> mutation)? I believe the bahá'í writ

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Don, which one of the eight ways are you? I'm Individualist, anti both ie archy and kratos. You are pro archy, anti kratos or Paleoconservative. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 11:41, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > To put it in Brian

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On what basis do they believe there haven't been more recent revelations? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 12:58, Mike Moum wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Because Baha'is believe that Baha'u'llah has given us God's most recent > revelation. > On 04/18/2

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Just because the Kitab I Aqdas hasn't been put in practice, doesn't make it any less of an authoritarian dogmatic theocratic manifesto! Just look at all the things the the Aqdas requires to be illegal in a Baha'i state. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 16:01, S

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv You seem to be study nothing despite committing to the Baha'i Faith. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 13:04, Mike Moum wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > You seem to study everything and commit to nothing. This can be a path to > insanity. I hope that is no

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
ive comfortably and express their preferences openly in the Baha'i > community. > > But is that suggestion a vain imagining? Very possibly! > > GS > -Original Message- > From: Gary Selchert > To: Baha'i Studies > Sent: Tue, Apr 16, 2013 3

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
> Para: Baha'i Studies > Enviado: Viernes, 5 de abril, 2013 11:26 P.M. > Asunto: Against nature... > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > If humans are supposed to be heterosexual, as the Baha'i Writings say, why > are so many animals homosexual? Did God intend ma

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm a huge fan of Religious Humanism. Sent from my iPad On Apr 17, 2013, at 16:15, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > That reminds me that while I'm fiscally responsible, I'm socially tolerant. > I'm currently religious Humanist, Nichiren Buddh

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The Aeon of Isis represented a maternalistic age where people were children. The Aeon of Osiris represented a paternalistic age where people were teenagers. The Aeon of Horus represents individualism where people are adults. The Aeon of Horus began in 1904. The Aeon o

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why isn't the Baha'i Faith a liberal religion? Sent from my iPad On Apr 16, 2013, at 13:14, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Opps, needed to correct one of the links. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgenderism_and_religion > > The other

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Why do they call it midnight if its really early morning? Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 16:01, Stephen Kent Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > According to some blogs I've read... > > http://bahaisects.wordpress.com/2012/09/18/bahai-leadership-may-s

Re: Against nature...

2013-04-22 Thread Stephen Kent Gray
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I'm referring to beliefs not practices. Sent from my iPad On Apr 18, 2013, at 15:51, Ian Kluge wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Stephen: > >>> Actually the stories I've read of Baha'i Administration in action >>> rivals North Korea, Soviet Union, Nazi Germany,

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