Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Le 18-févr.-06, à 01:05, Kim Jones a écrit : Which is very interesting, isn't it? People do seem want the kind of modelled structure for their existence that theology projects. Even though G means we can never know the truth of it, theology tells us it is nonetheless there. Like G*. Has

Re: Is a self-referentially-correct Loebian machine Omniscient?

2006-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Dear Stephen, Kim Jones' post prompts me to ask whether or not a "self-referentially-correct Loebian machine" involves an infinite regress or a non-well founded structure. Given that it is typical to include the idea of a non-prescripted interview, where the questions can have follow ups b

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-20 Thread Kim Jones
"Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch (Hodder and Stoughton 1995) is "a bloddy good read" as we like to say here in Australia. It is, in some ways the *kind* of revisionist theological tome the modern world badly needs. For this reason, God speaks in a language that any idiot can

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-20 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi John, If I remember correctly Robert Rosen does not accept Church Thesis. This explains some fundamental difference of what we mean respectively by "machine". I use the term for digitalizable machine, which, with Church thesis, is equivalent with "programs", or with anything a computer can

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-20 Thread uv
"Kim Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said > "Conversations with God" by Neale Donald Walsch (Hodder and Stoughton > 1995) is "a bloddy good read" as we like to say here in Australia I think myself that one problem with such books is that they are very Christian oriented. I recently heard a lecture by

Re: belief, faith, truth

2006-02-20 Thread danny mayes
Bruno, Going back to the discussion a few days ago, I agree with the value of the UDA as an idea worthy of development, as you are doing.  In fact it seems to be the only idea on the table that I'm aware of that provides some explanation for the 1-indeterminacy of QM and also gives insight into