Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics (J.Brenner)

2014-10-21 Thread Bob Logan
Thanks for this Bob U - very helpful - I will read your paper with great interest - it was nice to learn that not only am I observant but also obversant or perhaps you are the obversant one - all kidding aside I believe your insight is extremely useful and I am passing it on to Deacon's group Te

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Joseph Brenner
, October 20, 2014 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner) Dear all - my take on this post is that the question of whether physical processes are information is like the question: Is there a sound if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to listen? This is like the Zen

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Bob, What you are saying is the obverse of the third law of thermodynamics. The third law says that entropy (viz., disorder) can only be measured with respect to some reference condition. Since information is the complement of entropy in Bayesian informatics, then the obverse becomes, "Inform

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Bob -- I think the viewpoint on information being expressed by Gerhard is that which sees information to be embodied in configuration/conformation. If a configured entity is in the world it necessarily will encounter other configurations/conformations which will result in an 'interpretation' by bot

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread Bob Logan
Dear all - my take on this post is that the question of whether physical processes are information is like the question: Is there a sound if a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to listen? This is like the Zen koan: "what is the sound of one hand clapping" If no one is in the forest ar

Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics… (J.Brenner)

2014-10-20 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
- Original Message - From: Joseph Brenner To: Igor Gurevich ; Pedro C. Marijuan ; fis Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Fis] Physical Informatics