Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 13:35:47 -0400, David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > > ..IMHO, we should have more "oddball EAA" planes than spam cans and > > > > airliners. Blom&Voss 141, Me 323, Me 163, and the Horten Vings, > > Howar

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Martin Spott
> I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. > The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. Ooops, I was quite shure they packaged a 0.7.9 for SuSE-8.0. > I still think it would be worth submitting a formal request that > the future SuSE 8.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Martin Spott
> For what it's worth, I'm involved in a side project that is using > FlightGear + a commercial C172 flight dynamics model + cockpit > hardware to hopefully achieve an FAA (and JAR) certified sim by late > summer / early fall. The commercial fdm will run as a seperate > program [...] Hmm, _t

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: > Should we make it "nastier"? Is there a human factors > scale anywhere that has "Nasty" on it? :-) One American "Nasty" unit =~ 0.789 Metric "Paris Cabbies". All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Gene Buckle
> > Tony: > > > > Should we make it "nastier"? Is there a human factors scale anywhere > > that has "Nasty" on it? :-) > > > Hmm, nasty enough? > > Eff = (16*h / b)*(16*h / b) > Oe = Eff*Eff/(1 + Eff*Eff)(where 0 <= Oe <= 1) > D = q_infinite * S * (CDo + 0e * ( (CL*CL)/(pi * e * A * r) ) ) >

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Jon S Berndt wrote: > On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:48:49 -0400 > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during >> low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you're too close to >> stall-speed and too close to the ground already) --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Salman Sheikh wrote: > ../../src/FDM/libFlight.a(LaRCsimIC.o): In function `LaRCsimIC::solve(double *, >double)': > /folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/FDM/LaRCsimIC.cxx:382: undefined reference to >`LLC150' > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > gmake[1]: *** [fgfs] Error 1 > gmake[1]: Leavin

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Erik Hofman
Salman Sheikh wrote: > Hello, > > I almost have Flight-Gear compiled for solaris. > I am down to the following error: > ../../src/FDM/libFlight.a(LaRCsimIC.o): In function `LaRCsimIC::solve(double *, >double)': > /folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/FDM/LaRCsimIC.cxx:382: undefined reference to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Thu, 6 Jun 2002 14:48:49 -0400 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during >low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you're too close to >stall-speed and too close to the ground already) -- not as nasty as >what you desc

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > - There is a severe proplem going to first notch of flaps. Extreme > pitch up. You need *full* down trip to fly level with any flaps at > all. Lowering flaps does cause a very nasty pitching moment during low-speed maneuvers on a C172 (i.e. approach, when you'

[Flightgear-devel] Solaris Compile of FG 0.7.10

2002-06-06 Thread Salman Sheikh
Hello, I almost have Flight-Gear compiled for solaris. I am down to the following error: gmake[1]: Entering directory `/folks/salman/FlightGear-0.7.10/src/Main' c++ -DPKGLIBDIR=\"/opt/sis/lib/FlightGear\" -g -O2 -L/opt/sis/lib -L/usr/local/lib -o fgfs main.o fg_commands.o fg_init.o fg_io.o f

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on "Reset" function.

2002-06-06 Thread Jim Wilson
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Curt has mentioned that there are ordering dependencies, especially > around rendering, that we have to be careful not to break. We should > be able to get those automatically, as long as we add the subsystems > to the vector in the right order. The r

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > Sure, but I'm also interested in getting FlightGear set up as a decent > general-aviation FTD -- some of the stuff in the flight schools is > ancient, and FTD's are way overpriced. For what it's worth, I'm involved in a side project that is using FlightGear + a commercia

[Flightgear-devel] Re: pthread error (valgrind)

2002-06-06 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Andy Ross -- Thursday 06 June 2002 00:08: > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > valgrind reports this bug: > > > >pthread_mutex_destroy: mutex is still in use > > at 0x40523AB4: pthread_error (vg_libpthread.c:229) > > by 0x405249B5: __pthread_mutex_destroy (vg_libpthread.c:825) > > b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Arnt Karlsen writes: > ..IMHO, we should have more "oddball EAA" planes than spam cans and > airliners. Blom&Voss 141, Me 323, Me 163, and the Horten Vings, > Howard Hughes Spruce Goose, Van's RV3-4-5-6-7-8-9, Rutans Vari-Viggen, > VariEze, Defiant, Lancair IV, Colomban Cri-Cri, Zenair CH

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Arnt Karlsen
..my impression is this is a "glossy mainstream wintendo sim magazine, for mainstream people who sim-fly mainstream big airlines and other spamcans". Nothing wrong with that. ;-) ..neither FG nor EAA (http://eaa.org/) nor Gnu/Linux is mainstream. You see the similarity? We all _build_ stu

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on "Reset" function.

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: > I don't want to start another flame fest and I agree that FGFS > is MUCH more sophisticated now then when 'reset' was originally > written but this should mean a 'reset' is easier todo :-) Norm is absolutely right. The problem is that right now we have two differen

re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Alex Perry writes: > - not to be compared with state-of-the art simulators > > This can be a good thing, for all their associated features that we > hate. When I started my flying lessons, and the JSBSim and YASim 172's were both having problems, I decided not to be prejudiced and to go b

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Cameron Moore
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Perry) [2002.06.06 09:54]: > I still think it would be worth submitting a formal request that > the future SuSE 8.1 please package 0.7.10 or later for their customers. Hopefully later than 0.7.10 simply because of the "failed to load model" problem that has been fixed in

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Michael Basler
Alex, > I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. > The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. > Although they were mildly embarrassed when I pointed this out to them, Even if the article still contains some truth, I might write a "lette

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Olivier Grisel
On Sat, 01 Jun 2002 14:24:45 -0700 Alex Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Meanwhile, it would be a nice upgrade to have a menu item that brings > up a dialog which contains _every_ command line parameter that is not > otherwise represented in the existing set of run-time accessible menu items.

[Flightgear-devel] FlightXpress article - SuSE 8.0 is an old version

2002-06-06 Thread Alex Perry
I just went round to the SuSE booth and looked on a 8.0 demo computer. The packaged version is 0.7.8 which we released last summer, a year ago. Although they were mildly embarrassed when I pointed this out to them, I still think it would be worth submitting a formal request that the future SuSE 8.

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on "Reset" function.

2002-06-06 Thread Norman Vine
David Megginson writes: >Norman Vine writes: > > > Hopefully once we get 'reset' working again developers will test 'reset' > > before submitting their changes in the future so we don't repeat this > > quagmire > >It's a little more complicated than that. The original reset was a >simple kludge

[Flightgear-devel] Comments on FGFS review summary

2002-06-06 Thread Alex Perry
From: Melchior FRANZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > OK, let's sort the items and add a few: - Old-fashioned overall appearance Yep. Our photographic fidelity is deprecated wrt functional representation. 2001-era flight simulators have inherited a lot of the visual artistry of the 3D combat video games

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim and the atmosphere

2002-06-06 Thread Derrell . Lipman
Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Megginson wrote: >> 1. Sea level 35degC, 28.5inHG >> 2. Sea level -25degC, 32inHG > The "density altitude difference" (a butchered term -- the density > altitude that corresponds to the same ratio vs. standard sea level > conditions) that this corre

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on "Reset" function.

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Jim Wilson writes: > Actually my most recent observations show some issues with multiple > teleports, or combination of teleports and resets. But I can reset > many times without trouble (I just did 20 resets in a row using > today's CVS with clouds disabled). So, I would suggest that the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] Crash on "Reset" function.

2002-06-06 Thread David Megginson
Norman Vine writes: > Hopefully once we get 'reset' working again developers will test 'reset' > before submitting their changes in the future so we don't repeat this > quagmire It's a little more complicated than that. The original reset was a simple kludge that worked fine for a simple pro

Re: [Flightgear-devel] YASim flaps flap

2002-06-06 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2002-06-05 at 20:54, Andy Ross wrote: > Tony Peden wrote: > > Induced drag is a function of the vortices surrounding the wing. > > Those vortices vary in strength with lift, not angle of attack. > > Not so. The induced drag of an aircraft in high-speed cruise is much > lower than an airc